What does Duncan need to do in order to be considered the GOAT?

[Fox]

Well?
Win two more titles thus giving him 7 rings with 3 (maybe more) FMVPs?

He's firmly in the top 5 now, but what can he do to reach GOAT status?

[navy]

Nothing. He has been a role player or years now.

The question should be how many rings until Pop becomes the GOAT coach.

[dubeta]

Go back in time and win FMVP in all his rings

And go to another team to prove he can win without a GOAT coach and stacked team

[T_L_P]

Nothing. He has been a role player or years now.

The question should be how many rings until Pop becomes the GOAT coach.

God damn you are so ****ing stupid. Shaq was worse in his later years than Duncan. Magic and Bird were retired...so how come they are always up there in the GOAT debates?

Duncan since 2010 (you said he's been a role player for years, does 4 sound about right?) has been a 17/10 player. What role is he filling, to be the second best scorer, best passing big (Tiago and Boris have only emerged in the past couple of years as their roles and minutes have increased), defensive anchor, and emotional leader? The dude was All-NBA First team just last year.

:facepalm

[T_L_P]

Go back in time and win FMVP in all his rings

And go to another team to prove he can win without a GOAT coach and stacked team

03 Spurs: one of the weakest championship teams of all time.

Most Win Shares ever in a postseason, one of what, 4 guys to win a ring without another All-Star?

Also, can you tell me exactly what Pop did in 03 to suggest GOAT material. Be specific, as you obviously watched that run, right?

[Milbuck]

Win 8 rings. He has almost no shot at passing Jordan. Winning titles the way he did this year is very impressive only because of his age. It'll bump him up marginally in the all-time list (he's in my top 5 now), but it's not getting him past MJ.

[jayfan]

Considering that you have to be the greatest basketball player of all time in order to be labeled GOAT, there's nothing he can do because he's not.

[Fox]

And go to another team to prove he can win without a GOAT coach and stacked team

MJ didn't. And MJ didn't face as good teams as Duncan has. Add the fact that Duncan should have won FMVP this year. Then he'd have 4, only two why of Jordan's 6. Either way, with 7 or 8 rings he would be the GOAT.

[navy]

God damn you are so ****ing stupid. Shaq was worse in his later years than Duncan. Magic and Bird were retired...so how come they are always up there in the GOAT debates?

Duncan since 2010 (you said he's been a role player for years, does 4 sound about right?) has been a 17/10 player. What role is he filling, to be the second best scorer, best passing big (Tiago and Boris have only emerged in the past couple of years as their roles and minutes have increased), defensive anchor, and emotional leader? The dude was All-NBA First team just last year.

:facepalm

Not sure who you are arguing against. I never made the claim of them being the GOAT.

The only GOAT is MJ. 6 rings all as the clear cut best player. Duncan doesnt have that and he never will. If Duncan was winning rings like he was in 1999 or 2003 he could be on his way to surpass Jordan. He isnt.

Popovich has been increasing his GOAT resume since 2011 on the otherhand. :applause:

[T_L_P]

Not sure who you are arguing against. I never made the claim of them being the GOAT.

The only GOAT is MJ. 6 rings all as the clear cut best player. Duncan doesnt have that and he never will. If Duncan was winning rings like he was in 1999 or 2003 he could be on his way to surpass Jordan. He isnt.

Popovich has been increasing his GOAT resume since 2011 on the otherhand. :applause:

What does any of this have to do with my post? Of course Duncan isn't touching Jordan...never has and never will.

Now, please explain how Duncan is a role player, the only thing I asked you to do. 17/10/2/2 over the past 4-5 years, second leading scorer, best passing big, defensive anchor, emotional leader. I'm really interested in hearing your thoughts on Duncan's Danny Green/Boris Diaw level role.

[Cousin Oliver]

He can't be. Being the greatest Power Forward ever should be enough.


We get too caught up in this GOAT stuff in sports. Sometimes its good enough to just be really great and remembered for that. Duncan is one of the top 15 (perhaps top 10) players of all time. That is fantastic and no one needs to apologize for it.

[9erempiree]

Go back to back as Finals MVP.

Spurs can't seem to repeat that is why nobody considers them a great team.

[no pun intended]

If he replicates this season twice more, he would undoubtedly be the 2nd best player of all time. However, it's very hard to say how much he would have to do to surpass Jordan.

[hiphopfan777]

Jordan 6-6 in finals duncan 5-6 in finals

[Collie]

Get a second wind, average 25-10 for the next 10 years, win 3 more rings then retire at age 48 as the league leader in points, rebounds and blocks.

[Asukal]

Nothing. He is too old now to get to that level. He is arguably top 5 now and that in itself is plenty impressive. :applause: :bowdown: :cheers:

[r0drig0lac]

Nothing. He is too old now to get to that level. He is arguably top 5 now and that in itself is plenty impressive. :applause: :bowdown: :cheers:
this

[navy]

What does any of this have to do with my post? Of course Duncan isn't touching Jordan...never has and never will.

Now, please explain how Duncan is a role player, the only thing I asked you to do. 17/10/2/2 over the past 4-5 years, second leading scorer, best passing big, defensive anchor, emotional leader. I'm really interested in hearing your thoughts on Duncan's Danny Green/Boris Diaw level role.

Alright fine. A decent first option on a team with a great supporting cast and excellent system.

:confusedshrug:

Definitely a team full of role players if you ask me. Even if you consider Duncan the biggest role player on the team.

[Prometheus]

Well?
Win two more titles thus giving him 7 rings with 3 (maybe more) FMVPs?

He's firmly in the top 5 now, but what can he do to reach GOAT status?

Be reincarnated and start over.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell

Who's Duncan overtaking out of that group?

[Prometheus]

Go back to back as Finals MVP.

Spurs can't seem to repeat that is why nobody considers them a great team.

Everyone considers them a great team you numbskull.

And I've noticed what you always seem to do - you post your own opinions and say "nobody considers ___" or "everybody thinks ___" or "ISH believes that ___"... shut up asshole. You can speak for no one but your own troll self.

[T_L_P]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell

Who's Duncan overtaking out of that group?

Bird.

[PickernRoller]

He is not Top 5 and he'll never be GOAT nor contend for GOAT.

[GrapeApe]

He is not Top 5 and he'll never be GOAT nor contend for GOAT.

You're half right. The man is top 5 without question.

[RichieW]

Don't think it's possible for him to pass Jordan or Kareem. Jordan was more dominant and Kareem had equal longevity with better scoring and more MVPs.

I'd probably say he cant pass Russell and his 11 rings, but that's up for debate because of the era.

So the highest he can possibly get is #3 or #4. If he wins next year then his career starts to look very reminiscent of Kareems. Similar longevity, same rings, played with less talent but in a weaker era.

[poeticism707]

What does any of this have to do with my post? Of course Duncan isn't touching Jordan...never has and never will.

Now, please explain how Duncan is a role player, the only thing I asked you to do. 17/10/2/2 over the past 4-5 years, second leading scorer, best passing big, defensive anchor, emotional leader. I'm really interested in hearing your thoughts on Duncan's Danny Green/Boris Diaw level role.

These moronic, Kobe and Bron lover faboys swoop in, toss out compete fabrications to discredit TD. Couldn't be be more obvous they watched him play 10 times or so.

Hilarious.

[Big#50]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell

Who's Duncan overtaking out of that group?
All except your airness.

[sportjames23]

Considering that you have to be the greatest basketball player of all time in order to be labeled GOAT, there's nothing he can do because he's not.


You know how it is with these children today--win a ring and they wanna call you the GOAT. All I can do is :facepalm

[sportjames23]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell

Who's Duncan overtaking out of that group?


None of them.

[oarabbus]

Nothing. He has been a role player or years now.

The question should be how many rings until Pop becomes the GOAT coach.


Duncan just widened the gap between himself and Bran enormously and Heat fans are clutching at straws now :lol

[iamgine]

Well?
Win two more titles thus giving him 7 rings with 3 (maybe more) FMVPs?

He's firmly in the top 5 now, but what can he do to reach GOAT status?
Is he really in the top 5? All he's adding with this win is a ring as a role player and longevity, why would he suddenly go up to top 5. Do people really value those things that much?

[deja vu]

MJ didn't. And MJ didn't face as good teams as Duncan has. Add the fact that Duncan should have won FMVP this year. Then he'd have 4, only two why of Jordan's 6. Either way, with 7 or 8 rings he would be the GOAT.
Beating the Knicks, Nets and Cavaliers sure is difficult. :lol

I'm a huge Duncan fan but he has no chance of surpassing either Jordan or Kareem now considering he's already 38 years old.

[Fox]

Is he really in the top 5? All he's adding with this win is a ring as a role player and longevity, why would he suddenly go up to top 5. Do people really value those things that much?

Longetivity is a huge part of a player's legacy. And Duncan is not a traditional role player. He is the most important players on the Spurs and should have won FMVP. Not a superstar either, but you dont have to be.

[Fox]

Beating the Knicks, Nets and Cavaliers sure is difficult. :lol

I'm a huge Duncan fan but he has no chance of surpassing either Jordan or Kareem now considering he's already 38 years old.

And those three teams are the only teams he played against? I'm talking talking playoffs here, not just Finals.

[ihatetimthomas]

its too late

[nosfan773]

change his name to 'Kobe' and develop some alpha, 360 dunking, #YOLO swag

[BigBoss]

Dont ask questions you already know the answer to

[sportjames23]

And those three teams are the only teams he played against? I'm talking talking playoffs here, not just Finals.


Pistons, Lakers, Blazers, Suns, Jazz, Sonics, Knicks, Pacers, Heat, Hawks, Cavs, etc.

Just about all teams that were better than the Spurs competition. Matter of fact, the only Spurs competition I'd say would compare would be the Shaq/Kobe Lakers. All other teams the Spurs faced would get wrecked by the 90s Bulls.

[QuebecBaller]

You can't be goater than the Goat

[Smoke117]

God damn you are so ****ing stupid. Shaq was worse in his later years than Duncan. Magic and Bird were retired...so how come they are always up there in the GOAT debates?

Duncan since 2010 (you said he's been a role player for years, does 4 sound about right?) has been a 17/10 player. What role is he filling, to be the second best scorer, best passing big (Tiago and Boris have only emerged in the past couple of years as their roles and minutes have increased), defensive anchor, and emotional leader? The dude was All-NBA First team just last year.

:facepalm

Settle down, Duncan stan. He will never be the GOAT.

[zoom17]

nothing that's not a knock on Duncan though.

[Odinn]

Although his 2002-03 (regular season and playoffs combined) season have a serious case to be one of the greatest single season ever, his peak isn't goat caliber. With that, he doesn't have case for the goat title.

/thread

[PsychoBe]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell

Who's Duncan overtaking out of that group?

this. the top 5 is locked down tight. those are all legendary players who will never be forgotten by any stretch of the imagination. jordan the goat, magic/bird saved the nba, kareem had legendary longevity and accolades, and russell for the championships.

[Psileas]

I don't really believe in a single "official" GOAT, since no player has met all the criteria (or even most of them, but by a good margin, which would make it undisputed that it doesn't matter he's not the best everywhere) to consider him the clear-cut GOAT, so whatever it takes is completely out of the realm of reality.

[ILLsmak]

I don't even think TD has a GOAT argument. He's solidly second tier.

-Smak

[LeBird]

I don't even think TD has a GOAT argument. He's solidly second tier.

-Smak

This.

Russell
Wilt
KAJ
Bird
Magic
Jordan

are 6 guys he'll never be better than. They were getting GOAT calls while in their primes. Duncan has never come close to that acclaim.

At this stage he is a shadow of himself made to look better because the NBA has a dearth of big men at the moment and because the Spurs team works in a way where it doesn't require a superstar allowing his contribution to be bigger than what it would be in another team.

[chopchop20]

Bird.

Already got Kobe over Bird. Timmie has a good argument to based on longevity alone.

[EwingMan]

http://bit.ly/STc7io




Spurs can't
seem to repeat that is why nobody considers them a great team.

[T_L_P]

Settle down, Duncan stan. He will never be the GOAT.

"Of course Duncan isn't touching Jordan...never has and never will."

I know he isn't. Read the posts before you reply. :facepalm

[nylife33]

Go back in time and win FMVP in all his rings

And go to another team to prove he can win without a GOAT coach and stacked team


Agree with, but that shouldn't diminish his accolades and accomplishments. Still I get what you're saying. Tim Duncan is an all time great, but let's not forget he's fortunate extremely to play for a well managed organization like the Spurs. He's been also fortunate to play with guys like Robinson, Elliot, Parker, Manui, and etc.

So are guys like Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Russell, Bird, Jordan, Kareem, Wilt and etc. Those guys were surrounded by other HOF's and solid role players. Other all time greats like (Kevin Garnett, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Dirk Nowitzki) weren't as fortunate to be surrounded by talent early in the prime. I'm sorry as great as a player can be, you can't win alone.

[SOD 21]

Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward in the history of the NBA, which I don't believe is even debatable. Maybe a case for top-five ever, although I have him just outside of my top five.

But with that said, there is nothing that he can do to go down as the greatest player of all-time because other players have more titles, more MVPs, more final MVP's and better overall statistics.

But I guess he can challenge Kareem, Stockton and Karl Malone as one of the most durable players of all time.

[nylife33]

Well?
Win two more titles thus giving him 7 rings with 3 (maybe more) FMVPs?

He's firmly in the top 5 now, but what can he do to reach GOAT status?

Win 11 rings, 5 MVP awards like Bill Russell did. Win 6 rings, then morph into Michael Jordan overnight. It doesn't matter at this stage of Duncan's career he's arguably top 5-10 all time. I'll take it. Lol

[nylife33]

Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward in the history of the NBA, which I don't believe is even debatable. Maybe a case for top-five ever, although I have him just outside of my top five.

But with that said, there is nothing that he can do to go down as the greatest player of all-time because other players have more titles, more MVPs, more final MVP's and better overall statistics.

But I guess he can challenge Kareem, Stockton and Karl Malone as one of the most durable players of all time.

Well said. :rockon:

[nylife33]

It's too late at this stage in his career to climb that latter. I think Duncan will be considered top 5-10, when his career is done. But I do think Duncan is the best player of his generation, post Jordan era (late 90's-00's), no he is the best of his generation in this order:

Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Lebron
Garnett
Nowitzki
Iverson
Nash
Wade
Pierce
Kidd
Allen
Carter

In that order sorta, definitely the top 5 on the list.

[Iceman#44]

This.

Russell
Wilt
KAJ
Bird
Magic
Jordan

are 6 guys he'll never be better than. They were getting GOAT calls while in their primes. Duncan has never come close to that acclaim.

At this stage he is a shadow of himself made to look better because the NBA has a dearth of big men at the moment and because the Spurs team works in a way where it doesn't require a superstar allowing his contribution to be bigger than what it would be in another team.

This:applause:

[GimmeThat]

play with Kobe Bryant

what kind of stupid question is this?

[Anaximandro1]

Jordan is out of reach. He was as good as advertised.

Russell, Wilt and Kareem deserve the utmost respect.

Duncan and Shaq are in the same ballpark ... Duncan's defensive dominance and his amazing longevity made the difference in the end.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-M7kszItYFPc/U6HR1UY7hSI/AAAAAAAADA0/Pf95naBwTY8/s1600/6.jpg

[Roundball_Rock]

Duncan can't surpass the "Big 4" (KAJ, MJ, Wilt, Russell). The next group of players are broadly similar: Shaq, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan. Duncan has a shot at cementing himself as "best of class" among that group. (LeBron will either join the "Big 4" or finish near the front of the second group.)


But I guess he can challenge Kareem, Stockton and Karl Malone as one of the most durable players of all time.

I don't think anyone can ever match KAJ in that category. He was first team all-NBA and top 5 in MVP voting as late as age 38. :bowdown: