A gasoline glut is in our future

[~primetime~]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/17/news/economy/gas-glut-iea/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Gas prices might rise here in the short term due to issues in Iraq, however over the next few years we can expect gas prices to drop, thank god. :applause:

why? simple, we are consuming less gas than we used to, and we are producing more than we used to.

[Draz]

We need an alternative to gasoline. Hopefully one day we achieve one method that can change how we operate our vehicles.

One day we won't have gasoline and cars will all become useless and value nothing because you can't use them other than ornaments.

[Akrazotile]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/17/news/economy/gas-glut-iea/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Gas prices might rise here in the short term due to issues in Iraq, however over the next few years we can expect gas prices to drop, thank god. :applause:

why? simple, we are consuming less gas than we used to, and we are producing more than we used to.


Good to hear that we're using less and that it will become cheaper, although I wonder if there isnt a direct link there which will cause our usage to go right back up.

[Akrazotile]

We need an alternative to gasoline. Hopefully one day we achieve one method that can change how we operate our vehicles.

One day we won't have gasoline and cars will all become useless and value nothing because you can't use them other than ornaments.


_;'ad nucfza

[~primetime~]

Good to hear that we're using less and that it will become cheaper, although I wonder if there isnt a direct link there which will cause our usage to go right back up.
One of the main reasons we are consuming less gasoline now is because our cars are becoming more and more gas efficient. Lots of hybrids out there now.

[DukeDelonte13]

One of the main reasons we are consuming less gasoline now is because our cars are becoming more and more gas efficient. Lots of hybrids out there now.


USA needs more diesel powered cars.

[rufuspaul]

I'll be due for a new car in 3-4 yrs. I'm leaning toward getting a Tesla.

[Godzuki]

give it another 10-20~ years as tech improves, and current hybrids are all over the secondary market, then see how much energy costs have been reduced.

Prius's are everywhere, and should have tons of secondary parts available too(like accord, camry) in the future. I can't blame them with how little fuel comes off the gauge vs a standard gas v6 but the look of the car is terrible imo. I see much less of all other hybrids where i'd assume Prius's dominate the market and i figure they will become very popular at low price, high mileage costs with poorer, frugal people where as now its mostly rich, frugal buying...and they'll be upgrading to next gen hybrid.

[~primetime~]

I'll be due for a new car in 3-4 yrs. I'm leaning toward getting a Tesla.
I will be due for a new car myself in that time.

I want an SUV now that I have wife/kid, safety > fuel efficiency IMO.

Teslas are awesome though, I have ridden in one. Very unique cars.

[Nanners]

the amount of electric cars on the roads is doubling every year right now. in 5-10 years they will be everywhere.

http://transportevolved.com/2014/04/16/number-electric-cars-world-doubled-past-year-say-academics/


In early 2012, there were almost 100,000 plug-in cars on the world’s roads. A year later the report says, there were 200,000 vehicles. To date, there are now an estimated 405,000 electric cars globally, with the magic 400,000 barrier crossed some time late in 2013 or early 2014.
If this trend continues, the report says, we’ll see more than 1 million electric plug-in cars on the roads by 2016.
By contrast, there are believed to be around six million hybrid electric (non plug-in) cars in the world.

[Ass Dan]

drill baby drill!!!

-said no one ever with a brain.

the sooner we get off the old money crutches the quicker we advance as a society.

[glidedrxlr22]

There have been a lot of refinery shutdowns in the past 10 years or so. So whenever there's a fire at one, huge sections of the country feel it with price increases. I work in the fuel information industry and I just don't see hybrids taking over any time soon. People just love their gas powered cars too much.

[glidedrxlr22]

I wouldn't mind a gasoline glut. It would be nice to pay less than $3/gallon. Europeans pay about $7.50-$10.00/gallon....so I think we still have it good now.

[rufuspaul]

My mountain house has a lot of sun exposure. My ideal retirement involves moving up there permanently and installing solar panels that power everything, including my car.

[glidedrxlr22]

My mountain house has a lot of sun exposure. My ideal retirement involves moving up there permanently and installing solar panels that power everything, including my car.

That'll be a good place to hole up in when the zombie apocalypse arrives. :rockon:

[rufuspaul]

That'll be a good place to hole up in when the zombie apocalypse arrives. :rockon:


Yeah, I'll use the money I save on gas to stock up on weapons.

[Nanners]

People just love their gas powered cars too much.

I dont think so. People dont care whether their car is powered by gas or electricity, they just want a car that is affordable, reliable, safe... etc. Aside from constraints due to battery tech (which will improve), electric cars are superior to gasoline cars in practically every measurable way.

[~primetime~]

electric cars are superior to gasoline cars in practically every measurable way.
I'm not convinced of that quite yet. They aren't cheaper yet, and unless the electricity used to power the battery came from solar/wind/etc then they aren't doing the environment any favors either.

[Nanners]

I'm not convinced of that quite yet. They aren't cheaper yet, and unless the electricity used to power the battery came from solar/wind/etc then they aren't doing the environment any favors either.

The only reason they arent cheaper yet is because of battery tech, which i noted in my post as the main problem currently. Once batteries get cheap they will be less expensive than equivalent gasoline cars. And who actually gives a fvck about the environment?

[~primetime~]

The only reason they arent cheaper yet is because of battery tech, which i noted in my post as the main problem currently. Once batteries get cheap they will be less expensive than equivalent gasoline cars. And who actually gives a fvck about the environment?
you said "aside" from battery tech...if not $ or pollution, what other measurable ways did you mean?

[Nanners]

you said "aside" from battery tech...if not $ or pollution, what other measurable ways did you mean?

electric cars are more reliable because they have less moving parts and less engine/drivetrain complexity.

electric cars have better performance because they dont require being in the sweet spot on their powerband to achieve full power.

electric cars handle better because they have a lower center of gravity.

electricity will always be cheaper than gasoline so they are cheaper to operate in that regard. electricity is a lot easier to produce/transport than gasoline is.

here is a thread I made a year ago with more info about why electric cars will replace gasoline cars -http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304045

[~primetime~]

electric cars are more reliable because they have less moving parts and less engine/drivetrain complexity.

electric cars have better performance because they dont require being in the sweet spot on their powerband to achieve full power.

electric cars handle better because they have a lower center of gravity.

electricity will always be cheaper than gasoline so they are cheaper to operate in that regard. electricity is a lot easier to produce/transport than gasoline is.

here is a thread I made a year ago with more info about why electric cars will replace gasoline cars -http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304045

You make it sound like electric cars would be dominating Nascar and Formula 1 if allowed, but fair enough, I'll just take your word on all that.

[Nanners]

You make it sound like electric cars would be dominating Nascar and Formula 1 if allowed, but fair enough, I'll just take your word on all that.

eventually they will be dominating racing

[~primetime~]

eventually they will be dominating racing
Only a bolt of lightning would produce the 1.21 gigawatts of power needed for that. Unfortunately you never know when or where it's going to strike.

[DukeDelonte13]

what ever happened to hydrogen fuel cell cars? They seemed to be all the rage 10 years ago or so and now you don't hear much about them.


France and India have been goofing around with air powered cars for a couple of years now. I always wonder when they are going to start gaining more traction.

[Nanners]

what ever happened to hydrogen fuel cell cars? They seemed to be all the rage 10 years ago or so and now you don't hear much about them.


France and India have been goofing around with air powered cars for a couple of years now. I always wonder when they are going to start gaining more traction.

Hydrogen is too inefficient and expensive to produce on a large enough scale. Also, its fairly dangerous stuff, highly explosive.


Volkswagen's Rudolf Krebs said in 2013 that "no matter how excellent you make the cars themselves, the laws of physics hinder their overall efficiency. The most efficient way to convert energy to mobility is electricity." He elaborated: "Hydrogen mobility only makes sense if you use green energy", but ... you need to convert it first into hydrogen "with low efficiencies" where "you lose about 40 percent of the initial energy". You then must compress the hydrogen and store it under high pressure in tanks, which uses more energy. "And then you have to convert the hydrogen back to electricity in a fuel cell with another efficiency loss". Krebs continued: "in the end, from your original 100 percent of electric energy, you end up with 30 to 40 percent

[tontoz]

You make it sound like electric cars would be dominating Nascar and Formula 1 if allowed, but fair enough, I'll just take your word on all that.


You should check out the reviews of the Tesla Model S. It is a big sedan that is faster than a BMW M5. All electric with a range of over 200 miles on one charge.

When they come out with a smaller car it is sure to be a game changer.

[Breezy]

That article fails to account for the inflation caused by our central bank, The National Reserve. Using 1976 prices were paying the equivalent of 90 cents a gallon right now. Or we were a year ago.

http://observationdeck.io9.com/u-s-gasoline-prices-since-1976-adjusted-for-inflation-1478918350

[nightprowler10]

safety > fuel efficiency IMO

I thought Teslas are meant to be as safe as, if not safer, than your average SUV.

[~primetime~]

I thought Teslas are meant to be as safe as, if not safer, than your average SUV.
Could be true, I haven't looked into those cars in particular, but I know that when an SUV and car collide and result in fatality, 9 out of 10 times it is the person in the car who dies and the person in the SUV who lives. This is because the person in the SUV is ABOVE the collision, while the person in the car is eating the SUV's bumper. It is usually just a matter of height.

[Nanners]

I thought Teslas are meant to be as safe as, if not safer, than your average SUV.

http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested


TESLA MODEL S ACHIEVES BEST SAFETY RATING OF ANY CAR EVER TESTED

SETS NEW NHTSA VEHICLE SAFETY SCORE RECORD

MONDAY, AUGUST 19, 2013
Palo Alto, CA — Independent testing by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has awarded the Tesla Model S a 5-star safety rating, not just overall, but in every subcategory without exception. Approximately one percent of all cars tested by the federal government achieve 5 stars across the board. NHTSA does not publish a star rating above 5, however safety levels better than 5 stars are captured in the overall Vehicle Safety Score (VSS) provided to manufacturers, where the Model S achieved a new combined record of 5.4 stars.

[~primetime~]

Have to say, that is very impressive :applause:

[highwhey]

http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested
I wonder how much in bribes that rating cost.

Lol

[Nanners]

I wonder how much in bribes that rating cost.

Lol

yeah because a new startup car company has tons of extra cash to be throwing around on bribes :rolleyes:

[highwhey]

yeah because a new startup car company has tons of extra cash to be throwing around on bribes :rolleyes:
It's not like they're manufacturing daewoos. Bribes don't have to be in the millions, if anything the worth of a single tesla s would satisfy a couple pockets

[Nanners]

You make it sound like electric cars would be dominating Nascar and Formula 1 if allowed, but fair enough, I'll just take your word on all that.

Turns out hybrids already are dominating F1, I just learned that all modern F1 cars are hybrids. Check out the insane noises made by this monster leaving the pits (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRECqhIZwIA).

[~primetime~]

[QUOTE]For 2014 not only will technology and energy recovery systems play an integral role in the car

[PHX_Phan]

I'll stick with gas engines. Prefer to work on my own car and have affordable parts when they break.

[Nanners]

http://www.gizmag.com/formula-one-new-hybrid-tech/30560/


It is interesting that Formula 1 cars will be using electric power but that is not the same type of hybrid tech that our current hybrid cars use correct?

Yeah its not the same type of hybrid tech that commuter hybrid cars use, those have been designed for fuel efficiency and not speed, but still the reason they are making these new F1 cars hybrids is because they are straight up faster than the non-hybrids.

There are some new consumer exotics with hybrid systems like the type found in F1 cars, such as the Mclaren P1.

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/gtspirit-mclaren-p1-review/gtspirit-2014-mclaren-p1-bahrain-int-circuit-0060.jpg