An intelligent discussion about consciousness ....

[IamRAMBO24]

Like the title implies. So dumb posters, please do us all a favor and just glance over this thread. Don't reply with your one liners and some lame gif you hijacked from somebody else's hard work. We know there are a bunch of you out there, so just suck it up and move along. If you have a thought and feel the need to reply, just tell yourself, "I am dumb. This thread is way above my intellectual capacity. I must move on."

With that said, what are your thoughts on consciousness? What do you know about it and what do you think about the levels of consciousness. It is still one of the great mysteries out there.

[Andrei89]

STFU Rambo

I also did not read because it is actually shit anyway..

*taking my leave*

[IamRAMBO24]

STFU Rambo

I also did not read because it is actually shit anyway..

*taking my leave*

Please delete. Some of us are bored of the bullsh*t and would like to learn a thing or two.

[Akrazotile]

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[ZeN]

You have to condition your mind to always live in the moment. Once your centered and untied to all desires, you can come to reach enlightenment.

It's akin to the sports term of being in the zone. A hyperfocus without need for expectation. Simply living in the now and accepting it's present reality.

[ZeN]

gay ngga
How ironic for you to say that..

[BigBoss]

You have to condition your mind to always live in the moment. Once your centered and untied to all desires, you can come to reach enlightenment.

It's akin to the sports term of being in the zone. A hyperfocus without need for expectation. Simply living in the now and accepting it's present reality.

Exactly. Meditation is so key. Or yoga, but I prefer meditation because I can do it anywhere. Center yourself. Reset your brain. Transcend and reach a higher state of consciousness and your absolutely in the moment and can move forward with your life without your thoughts distracting you causing you to live in the future or the past which is depressive/anxiety inducing. You get tunnel vision on what you need to do are at a peace. Living outside of your mind in the world, versus inside of it.

No drugs/crutches in life.

I view the levels of consciousnesses as a very spiritual thing and for individuals who are aware of the significant relationship between body and mind.

I used to talk to friends and family all the time, some who are depressed, on drugs, on anti-depressants, etc all the time about meditation/higher consciousness/centering yourself and its in one ear and out the other. I don't bother anymore.

To everyone who thinks we sound like crazy hippies. Successful people are all in touch with this stuff to personally develop. It's fundamental in mastering yourself and finding happiness from a natural place i.e. the body/mind. People not in touch tend to self medicate in their adulthood.

Good thread OP. What's your thoughts?

[Bandito]

In the end all that matters is that Kobe > Lebron :applause:

[GimmeThat]

You have to condition your mind to always live in the moment. Once your centered and untied to all desires, you can come to reach enlightenment.

It's akin to the sports term of being in the zone. A hyperfocus without need for expectation. Simply living in the now and accepting it's present reality.


I was told yesterday that sometimes when a team lose is because they simply had a flawed game plan, that left the team no chance of winning the series.

I would falsely describe consciousness as the ability to recognize your environment while absolutely forgetting your self-need/want/desire. While also have the ability to place the importance of oneself into the picture/environment once you had recognize the current situation/scenario.

If you try and switch the cause and effect of the scenario I falsely described, you realize it's an attempt to create a world in which we never cease to exist.

[Breezy]

Consciousness is the result of the energy output of the neurons in your brain, brought about by slowly from non living matter over eons of time. It's the illusion of self determination and free will that we all live under.

[Swaggin916]

Exactly. Meditation is so key. Or yoga, but I prefer meditation because I can do it anywhere. Center yourself. Reset your brain. Transcend and reach a higher state of consciousness and your absolutely in the moment and can move forward with your life without your thoughts distracting you causing you to live in the future or the past which is depressive/anxiety inducing. You get tunnel vision on what you need to do are at a peace. Living outside of your mind in the world, versus inside of it.

No drugs/crutches in life.

I view the levels of consciousnesses as a very spiritual thing and for individuals who are aware of the significant relationship between body and mind.

I used to talk to friends and family all the time, some who are depressed, on drugs, on anti-depressants, etc all the time about meditation/higher consciousness/centering yourself and its in one ear and out the other. I don't bother anymore.

To everyone who thinks we sound like crazy hippies. Successful people are all in touch with this stuff to personally develop. It's fundamental in mastering yourself and finding happiness from a natural place i.e. the body/mind. People not in touch tend to self medicate in their adulthood.

Good thread OP. What's your thoughts?

It's the age old saying, give 100% to what you do, and don't worry about expectations thingswill automatically happen. I do enjoy the coffee regularly though and occasionally a couple beers... but I am 100% about enjoying those and allow them to work their wonders.

I think for most people though the life you speak of is just too much work. It takes an incredible amount of discipline and desire to be that engaged in something that is exhausting - focus. One must build their stamina up over time.

[DonD13]

This thread is way above my intellectual capacity.

[russwest0]

Life goal = reach the next level of human consciousness.

[GimmeThat]

Life goal = reach the next level of human consciousness.


But also beware that it isn't just who you/how many people/event you are conscious about. But also how conscious the world is to those people/event.

that's the balance of quality/quantity.

[masonanddixon]

Check out the Origins of Consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind by Julian jaynes.

It was a landmark work about 60 years ago, still would be landmark thinking today.

I think if you can perceive the basis of consciousness you'll understand why modern society is so horrible.

[Breezy]

I think if you can perceive the basis of consciousness you'll understand why modern society is so horrible.

In what way is Modern society not better than every version that came before it?

We're happier, richer, we live longer, healthier, we can travel the world, instant communication with the entire planet. We're even more tolerant and less biggoted.

Maybe were not as good as an idealized utopia but we kick the shit out of any and every society in history.

[russwest0]

In what way is Modern society not better than every version that came before it?

We're happier, richer, we live longer, healthier, we can travel the world, instant communication with the entire planet. We're even more tolerant and less biggoted.

Maybe were not as good as an idealized utopia but we kick the shit out of any and every society in history.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

this guy doesn't get it at all.

[Breezy]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

this guy doesn't get it at all.

Please explain it to me.

[masonanddixon]

[Q UOTE=Breezy]In what way is Modern society not better than every version tshat came before it?

We're happier, richer, we live longer, healthier, we can travel the world, instant coammunication with the entire planet. We're even more tolerant and less b biggoted.

Maybe were not as good as an idealized utopia but we kick the shit out of any and every society in history.[/QUOTE]

The rapid and rampant overdevelopment and overpopulation of the earth, destruction of the environment, and wildlife that was abundant not even 100 years ago, specialized compartmentalized jobs that suck away our creativity, technology making personal interaction nearly obsolete---the earth is built for about 10-20 million people maximum---it's probably another decade or so before everything is ruined.

[Breezy]

The rapid and rampant overdevelopment and overpopulation of the earth,

You'll be happy to know that your wrong.

There is no such thing as "Overdevelopement" of the Earth. You would have to assume there is a 'correct' level of development. No such decree has been handed down from on high.

We are also not overpopulated. at 7 Billion people with the population density of Paris we would all fit into 1 urban area the size of Louisiana. If it's crowded where you live and you don't like then you should move. Plenty of empty spaces out there. Try Kansas. We are also not overpopulated from a resource consumption perspective. Commodity prices are actually down year over year since the 60's when all the environmental doom predictions started hitting us. and that is IN SPITE of a growing world population. The case is even better in countries with liberal economies and free trade.


destruction of the environment, and wildlife that was abundant not even 100 years ago,

I'm not sure what you mean by destruction of the environment? The world is a big place. I certainly wouldn't want to go to Nuclear waste storage facilities but our forests are more abundant than they have been in hundreds of years. Places like the Sahara have been shrinking. African climate is becoming more conducive to agricultural production and human welfare. Also in spite of Global Warming fears even the IPCC Says that temperatures have risen between 0.3-0.6 degrees in the last 100 years and that if trends continue the Continental shelf ice "COULD" melt in 1000 years. Of course what they don't address is that temperatures have been flat for the last 17 years. Also 99.9% of all species that have ever lived are extinct now. Most of that took place before humans were even walking upright.


pecialized compartmentalized jobs that suck away our creativity
As far as Jobs go would you rather work at a desk in a cubicle or be doing the subsistence farming that you would have been doing 200 years ago. Or the coal mine you would have been working in 75 years ago? Your creativity is your own responsibility it has nothing to do with your job.

I'm with you on personal interaction. we need more of it, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to all the other advantages that modern technology brings us.


the earth is built for about 10-20 million people maximum---it's probably another decade or so before everything is ruined.

The earth was not built. There is no target number of people that are supposed to be on the earth. Aside from the empirical evidence that shows that we now have 7 billion with every measure of human development increasing. We also know that 2000 years ago we had global population of about 300 million which was steadily increasing at about .1 percent a year. So even without any kind of modern technology we had a growing population above the number you gave.

You have what Econ professor Bryan Caplan calls "Pessimistic bias". http://cafehayek.com/2014/05/bryan-caplan-on-the-pessimistic-bias.htmlThroughout all of human history progress has been marching forward while the people were predicting destruction and apocalypse. Now is no different.

Now that you know I bet you'll be happy to discard your wildly uninformed speculative hysteria in favor of the fact:rockon: s!

[Breezy]

Also I would like to Apologize for derailing the discussion on consciousness.

[GimmeThat]

The rapid and rampant overdevelopment and overpopulation of the earth, destruction of the environment, and wildlife that was abundant not even 100 years ago, specialized compartmentalized jobs that suck away our creativity, technology making personal interaction nearly obsolete---the earth is built for about 10-20 million people maximum---it's probably another decade or so before everything is ruined.

you can under estimate the capacity of the human mind. which is the main reason as to why earth isn't over developed.

or we can accept the fact that earth is over developed, and realize that even that of our offspring, should never produce any offsprings even if we egotistically assumed that we ourselves should have that right/priviledge and capability.

[GimmeThat]

Also I would like to Apologize for derailing the discussion on consciousness.

Great. And I also think you brought up solid points.

Consciousness of our own faults is the the proof that a conscious mistake and an unconscious one, while have the same result, the intention is different.

Which is why I've also always added the importance of awareness. That is the added depth of consciousness.

Awareness involves recognizing and understanding how everything is affected/changed based upon your actions/decisions.

beyond just do it, we also raise the question as to who'll do it.


That's the continuous derailing of conscioursness under the misguided term of evolution for ya

[nathanjizzle]

we are only conscious to the human standard. To some other higher entity or being, our consciousness would be equivalent to being robots.

[GimmeThat]

we are only conscious to the human standard. To some other higher entity or being, our consciousness would be equivalent to robots.

so, what's the expiration date on wisdom.

because I don't know if Irony went sour without ever being opened.

[Dresta]

Exactly. Meditation is so key. Or yoga, but I prefer meditation because I can do it anywhere. Center yourself. Reset your brain. Transcend and reach a higher state of consciousness and your absolutely in the moment and can move forward with your life without your thoughts distracting you causing you to live in the future or the past which is depressive/anxiety inducing. You get tunnel vision on what you need to do are at a peace. Living outside of your mind in the world, versus inside of it.

No drugs/crutches in life.

I view the levels of consciousnesses as a very spiritual thing and for individuals who are aware of the significant relationship between body and mind.

I used to talk to friends and family all the time, some who are depressed, on drugs, on anti-depressants, etc all the time about meditation/higher consciousness/centering yourself and its in one ear and out the other. I don't bother anymore.

To everyone who thinks we sound like crazy hippies. Successful people are all in touch with this stuff to personally develop. It's fundamental in mastering yourself and finding happiness from a natural place i.e. the body/mind. People not in touch tend to self medicate in their adulthood.

Good thread OP. What's your thoughts?Every single human being has crutches in their life, and not one would be able to survive without them. Silly comment.

[GimmeThat]

Every single human being has crutches in their life, and not one would be able to survive without them. Silly comment.

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283972&page=33

[BigBoss]

Every single human being has crutches in their life, and not one would be able to survive without them. Silly comment.

Yes and no. Higher states of consciousness will make you realize if its working for you or against you. Its not a crutch if it's working for you, your mind/body is in control vs the other way around. If your aware that something is a crutch you'll slowly work on eliminating it. The objective is harmony of the body/mind and emotional stability. It'll allow you move forward and be successful.

I have my own vices/crutches that will take time to eliminate. Ill probably have crutches in the future as well. Its just important to understand things that hold you back. I.e. A cigarette habit actually does correlate with success in schoolwork. Thats the life journey though onwards and upwards. Its a slow gradual process, but higher states of conciousness is important for self-awareness.

If you disagree that's fine too, its my own personal philisophy and there is no right or wrong answer. I demand a lot from myself. I want to maximize my life

[riseagainst]

with social media and sh1t like tinder, which i use, admittedly :oldlol: , we are regressing in this department. There are low human interactions and even if they do interact, their conversations are dumb as hell.

great thread btw, OP. Need more stuff like this.

[BigBoss]

with social media and sh1t like tinder, which i use, admittedly :oldlol: , we are regressing in this department. There are low human interactions and even if they do interact, their conversations are dumb as hell.

great thread btw, OP. Need more stuff like this.

I agree. Society is evolving. People are jacking into the Matrix more then ever.

[masonanddixon]

You'll be happy to know that your wrong.

There is no such thing as "Overdevelopement" of the Earth. You would have to assume there is a 'correct' level of development. No such decree has been handed down from on high.

We are also not overpopulated. at 7 Billion people with the population density of Paris we would all fit into 1 urban area the size of Louisiana. If it's crowded where you live and you don't like then you should move. Plenty of empty spaces out there. Try Kansas. We are also not overpopulated from a resource consumption perspective. Commodity prices are actually down year over year since the 60's when all the environmental doom predictions started hitting us. and that is IN SPITE of a growing world population. The case is even better in countries with liberal economies and free trade.



I'm not sure what you mean by destruction of the environment? The world is a big place. I certainly wouldn't want to go to Nuclear waste storage facilities but our forests are more abundant than they have been in hundreds of years. Places like the Sahara have been shrinking. African climate is becoming more conducive to agricultural production and human welfare. Also in spite of Global Warming fears even the IPCC Says that temperatures have risen between 0.3-0.6 degrees in the last 100 years and that if trends continue the Continental shelf ice "COULD" melt in 1000 years. Of course what they don't address is that temperatures have been flat for the last 17 years. Also 99.9% of all species that have ever lived are extinct now. Most of that took place before humans were even walking upright.


As far as Jobs go would you rather work at a desk in a cubicle or be doing the subsistence farming that you would have been doing 200 years ago. Or the coal mine you would have been working in 75 years ago? Your creativity is your own responsibility it has nothing to do with your job.

I'm with you on personal interaction. we need more of it, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to all the other advantages that modern technology brings us.



The earth was not built. There is no target number of people that are supposed to be on the earth. Aside from the empirical evidence that shows that we now have 7 billion with every measure of human development increasing. We also know that 2000 years ago we had global population of about 300 million which was steadily increasing at about .1 percent a year. So even without any kind of modern technology we had a growing population above the number you gave.

You have what Econ professor Bryan Caplan calls "Pessimistic bias". http://cafehayek.com/2014/05/bryan-caplan-on-the-pessimistic-bias.htmlThroughout all of human history progress has been marching forward while the people were predicting destruction and apocalypse. Now is no different.

Now that you know I bet you'll be happy to discard your wildly uninformed speculative hysteria in favor of the fact:rockon: s!

Wow, I feel sorry for you if you actually believe any of what you wrote in that post.

That's the beauty of consciousness. It's not simply a static or fixed entity, but rather one shaped partly by experiences and environment. My life would be hell if I had to perceive the world through your consciousness.

[MadeFromDust]

I think it is so easy a monkey can do it
http://www.auburn.edu/~gel0001/Growing%20Picture.jpg

[Breezy]

Wow, I feel sorry for you if you actually believe any of what you wrote in that post.

That's the beauty of consciousness. It's not simply a static or fixed entity, but rather one shaped partly by experiences and environment. My life would be hell if I had to perceive the world through your consciousness.

I take the total lack of rebuttal or argumentation as a de-facto admission of error. I know it's upsetting to find out that your wrong. Learn from it and embrace the glorious future we are building for ourselves.

[GimmeThat]

That's the beauty of consciousness. It's not simply a static or fixed entity, but rather one shaped partly by experiences and environment. My life would be hell if I had to perceive the world through your consciousness.

while I agree there might be different degrees of consciousness.

I guess it is safe to say that a life continuously being drugged would be hell.

[masonanddixon]

I take the total lack of rebuttal or argumentation as a de-facto admission of error. I know it's upsetting to find out that your wrong. Learn from it and embrace the glorious future we are building for ourselves.

Your argument was so weak that I have no idea where to start.

Just look at simple concepts-take a place like Queensland which not even 50 years had koalas in people's backyards, and now people haven't seen any in years.

You're also claiming we have more forests than we have ever had before. I mean how to do you expect me to respond to complete lies? Just accept that we have different perceptions of the world and therefore a different working consciousness.

Like I said, the beauty of consciousness is that two people can have two completely different perceptions of reality.

[masonanddixon]

while I agree there might be different degrees of consciousness.

I guess it is safe to say that a life continuously being drugged would be hell.

This doesn't have to do with drugs but as an aside study about the various dopaminergic pathways in the brain, changes in personality associated with neurotransmitter imbalances, and even personality changes to injuries or alterations to the lobes of the brain.

And that's why consciousness is so fascinating. It's much more an infinite labyrinth than it is the set of computer chips fully equipped that the singularity fools would love to have you believe.

[GimmeThat]

Like I said, the beauty of consciousness is that two people can have two completely different perceptions of reality.

how you can confuse consciousness with perception is just, beyond odd.

your best argument may be that someone with a degree that is of less conscious than others only notices short term effects over long term effects. As well as being sensitive to any particular subject matter.

which has nothing to do with perceptions of reality.


Think of it this way, how you think of certain ideas when you are high/drunk (for simplicity sake of nerotransmitter imbalance) most likely will be different than when you are sober. However, will there be REALITY that stands/remainds true in BOTH state of consciousness.

If your answer is no. the f&ck is reality then.


I could even make an argument that perception is taught/coached. And that you gave me someone who if scientifically possible, remain the same with his consciousness and he will view things differently. But then you cry foul "well, that's impossible because when you view things differently, it indirectly changes the neurobalance in our brain."

Which is why, no matter how hard you try to teach/coach someone into thinking a certain way, if it isn't part of the reality. It just won't hold up.

What happens afterwards? well, unless the brain stops working, it will go back to its normal state before some jackass tried to screw around with other peoples brain only to realize it was bull sh*t all along. Even if the jackass actually believed in those bull sh*t himself.



Training Day Mother F&cker

[GimmeThat]

This doesn't have to do with drugs but as an aside study about the various dopaminergic pathways in the brain, changes in personality associated with neurotransmitter imbalances, and even personality changes to injuries or alterations to the lobes of the brain.

And that's why consciousness is so fascinating. It's much more an infinite labyrinth than it is the set of computer chips fully equipped that the singularity fools would love to have you believe.


let me tell you about a story,

and before you say "NO MORE STORIES"

well, see, this story is about a guy named Steve Job, who marched into his new office after being abandoned by his old team, a company he owns even, into a newly delegated area in which he intends to use as his next new project.

Of course, the current existing head or project manager looks at him as if he is crazy, trying to mock him to say, "what, Steve, got delegated here because your other project was a complete failure"

Steve Job simply walks up to him, stares at him right at his eyes and says "XXXX, you've got my attention now, and either you are part of this team or you are not. But you damn sure you have my full attention from now on"



Consciousness.

[Breezy]

Your argument was so weak that I have no idea where to start.

Just look at simple concepts-take a place like Queensland which not even 50 years had koalas in people's backyards, and now people haven't seen any in years.

You're also claiming we have more forests than we have ever had before. I mean how to do you expect me to respond to complete lies? Just accept that we have different perceptions of the world and therefore a different working consciousness.

Like I said, the beauty of consciousness is that two people can have two completely different perceptions of reality.

http://forestry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031900.htm

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/267na3.pdf

My perception is that you are wrong and that facts are correct.

[shlver]

Consciousness is the result of the energy output of the neurons in your brain, brought about by slowly from non living matter over eons of time. It's the illusion of self determination and free will that we all live under.
Well at the very basic level, but that would be a misrepresentation of whats going on in a conscious vs an unconscious patient. Consciousness has been correlated with synchronicity between the thalamus and modular cortex regions of the brain. Even with neurons firing at different regions of the brain, studies have shown that there need be recurrent loops in the firing of neurons in the thalamocortical circuit. Meaning unconscious patients have neurons firing, but have a disconnect between regions of firing neurons.

[ILLsmak]

I come into threads like these and glance over people's responses to see if I feel anyone understands certain things. I am always disappointed. But hey, insidehoops.

-Smak

[Breezy]

Well at the very basic level, but that would be a misrepresentation of whats going on in a conscious vs an unconscious patient. Consciousness has been correlated with synchronicity between the thalamus and modular cortex regions of the brain. Even with neurons firing at different regions of the brain, studies have shown that there need be recurrent loops in the firing of neurons in the thalamocortical circuit. Meaning unconscious patients have neurons firing, but have a disconnect between regions of firing neurons.

Fascinating stuff! I didn't know all that.

[NZStreetBaller]

great thread man. I read everything. I clearly knew nothing about consciousness but thanks to you smart ass ****ers im now more intelligent :cheers:

[masonanddixon]

how you can confuse consciousness with perception is just, beyond odd.

your best argument may be that someone with a degree that is of less conscious than others only notices short term effects over long term effects. As well as being sensitive to any particular subject matter.

which has nothing to do with perceptions of reality.


Think of it this way, how you think of certain ideas when you are high/drunk (for simplicity sake of nerotransmitter imbalance) most likely will be different than when you are sober. However, will there be REALITY that stands/remainds true in BOTH state of consciousness.

If your answer is no. the f&ck is reality then.


I could even make an argument that perception is taught/coached. And that you gave me someone who if scientifically possible, remain the same with his consciousness and he will view things differently. But then you cry foul "well, that's impossible because when you view things differently, it indirectly changes the neurobalance in our brain."

Which is why, no matter how hard you try to teach/coach someone into thinking a certain way, if it isn't part of the reality. It just won't hold up.

What happens afterwards? well, unless the brain stops working, it will go back to its normal state before some jackass tried to screw around with other peoples brain only to realize it was bull sh*t all along. Even if the jackass actually believed in those bull sh*t himself.



Training Day Mother F&cker


Perception influences consciousness and consciousness dictates perception.

Stating one as distinct from the other is like forming a sentence with only nouns.