Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, LeBron accumulative career MVP votes

[Ball So Harden]

Kobe Bryant = 5190 points (120 total first place votes)

Tim Duncan = 5237 points (166 total first place votes)

Shaquille O'Neal = 5214 points (220 total first place votes)

LeBron James 7484 points (457 total first place votes)


Keep in mind, the total possible points in a given year changes somewhat from year to year but is relatively close. There is an advantage in total possible votes in newer years, giving a slight advantage to LeBron and Kobe over Duncan, but a larger disadvantage to Shaq. For example, 2008 when Kobe won, there were 1260 total points possible (this ties the most I saw), in one of Duncan's MVPs only 1190 were possible (1260 was possible during his other year), and Shaq competed in years when only 1050 was possible (example, 1995 when he was 2nd).

Interesting note, Kobe has 120 total 1st place votes for his career, something Shaq was able to do in a single year (2000), as well as LeBron (2013).

[Rose'sACL]

offense is pretty much always the biggest factor in MVP votes otherwise duncan would have a lot more votes. Duncan has been the best defender of those 4 throughout his career.

[NZStreetBaller]

who cares ??? popularity contest??

[RoundMoundOfReb]

who cares ??? popularity contest??
Not really. Otherwise Kobe would have way more than Duncan.

[bdreason]

Steve Nash has 2 MVP's.

[Mr. Jabbar]

so many guys trying to look knowledgeable by not voting for the clear cut best player, hipster award..:facepalm

[Bandito]

Not really. Otherwise Kobe would have way more than Duncan.
It is actually. Duncan won the rings throughout his Mvp years and after Shaq left Kobe was hated for a lot of reasons.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Karl Malone & Steve Nash have a combined 4 MVPs

Kobe, Shaq & Hakeem have a combined 3 MVPs

[Mr. Jabbar]

Karl Malone & Steve Nash have a combined 4 MVPs

Kobe, Shaq & Hakeem have a combined 3 MVPs

that hurt my eyes

[havoc33]

Not really. Otherwise Kobe would have way more than Duncan.
Um no. Kobe has never been particularly popular with journalists, as he has had a tendency to brush them off and always was aloof. Only in recent years has he seemed to ease down on this attitude, as evident by his improved relationship with the local reporters in LA. Colorado hurt him in the MVP polls as well. Remember in 06 when Kobe had a MVP caliber year, many voters left him off the ballot completely. I remember Barkley and the rest of the TNT crew were going off big time about that.


Karl Malone & Steve Nash have a combined 4 MVPs

Kobe, Shaq & Hakeem have a combined 3 MVPs
Just shows you how the MVP award is a complete joke.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Which year did Kobe deserve the MVP and was robbed? Maybe '06? They were like the 7th seed going 45-37. Who's the last player to win with that bad of a record? And before you say "35/5/5!!!" you gotta realize that 05-06 was a weird year and stats for perimeter players were up league wide. What exactly gives Kobe a significantly better case putting up 35/5/5 and winning 45 games than say LeBron putting up 31/7/7 winning 50 games? Or Duncan putting up 19/11 winning 63 games while anchoring the league's #1 defense? Or Dirk 27/9/3 winning 60 games anchoring the #1 offense?

Heck even his '08 one is debatable with Paul (although I don't really mind Kobe getting it).

This whole Kobe got robbed of MVPs thing is a myth.

[GimmeThat]

next up, the owner says to players, screw the media

or you know, what Dirk says to Marc Cuban
when no one is paying attention to them


because that's how champions are made and all.

[GimmeThat]

Kobe Bryant = 5190 points (120 total first place votes)

Tim Duncan = 5237 points (166 total first place votes)

Shaquille O'Neal = 5214 points (220 total first place votes)

LeBron James 7484 points (457 total first place votes)


Keep in mind, the total possible points in a given year changes somewhat from year to year but is relatively close. There is an advantage in total possible votes in newer years, giving a slight advantage to LeBron and Kobe over Duncan, but a larger disadvantage to Shaq. For example, 2008 when Kobe won, there were 1260 total points possible (this ties the most I saw), in one of Duncan's MVPs only 1190 were possible (1260 was possible during his other year), and Shaq competed in years when only 1050 was possible (example, 1995 when he was 2nd).

Interesting note, Kobe has 120 total 1st place votes for his career, something Shaq was able to do in a single year (2000), as well as LeBron (2013).


Because at the end of the day, the medias have a tough time casting their ballot without looking at stats - not just including that of player, but team performance as well.

[SCdac]

Duncan probably should have gotten 1 more MVP. Shaq too. One thing about Shaq though, it doesn't help that from 1997-2007 he averaged 64 games played a season (not counting the lockout). Sometimes he was just out of shape. Garnett deserved his MVP, as did Dirk. The 2000s was just laden with amazing talent.

[havoc33]

Which year did Kobe deserve the MVP and was robbed? Maybe '06? They were like the 7th seed going 45-37. Who's the last player to win with that bad of a record? And before you say "35/5/5!!!" you gotta realize that 05-06 was a weird year and stats for perimeter players were up league wide. What exactly gives Kobe a significantly better case putting up 35/5/5 and winning 45 games than say LeBron putting up 31/7/7 winning 50 games? Or Duncan putting up 19/11 winning 63 games while anchoring the league's #1 defense? Or Dirk 27/9/3 winning 60 games anchoring the #1 offense?

Heck even his '08 one is debatable with Paul (although I don't really mind Kobe getting it).

This whole Kobe got robbed of MVPs thing is a myth.For whatever reason Kobe always seemed to end up the odd man out in MVP votings. When he played with Shaq, obviously the two of them cancelled each other out in the votings. 06 though as you mention, is the one year you could say Kobe had a legit case of winning it. Their record wasn't very impressive, but if you dig deeper and look at the team he was playing with, it actually is. No one picked the Lakers to have any chance of making the Playoffs before the season started, but Kobe put that team on his back and posted historic numbers throughout the year. And this in a very competetive Western conference. If that's not what an MVP award is all about, then I don't know what is. I mean it was crazy that year.. Kobe was must see TV, everyone was tuning in to see what he would do next. I bet Jack Nicholson is still kicking himself for not attending one game that year which turned out to be the 81 point game. :oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

For whatever reason Kobe always seemed to end up the odd man out in MVP votings. When he played with Shaq, obviously the two of them cancelled each other out in the votings. 06 though as you mention, is the one year you could say Kobe had a legit case of winning it. Their record wasn't very impressive, but if you dig deeper and look at the team he was playing with, it actually is. No one picked the Lakers to have any chance of making the Playoffs before the season started, but Kobe put that team on his back and posted historic numbers throughout the year. And this in a very competetive Western conference. If that's not what an MVP award is all about, then I don't know what is. I mean it was crazy that year.. Kobe was must see TV, everyone was tuning in to see what he would do next. I bet Jack Nicholson is still kicking himself for not attending one game that year which turned out to be the 81 point game. :oldlol:
http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings/_/year/2006/week/0

Power ranked 15th before the season started. 8th among western teams.

They weren't predicted to be like 28th or something in which case I could understand giving Kobe the MVP.

[plowking]

Karl Malone & Steve Nash have a combined 4 MVPs

Kobe, Shaq & Hakeem have a combined 3 MVPs

What a horrible argument.

Shaq only really deserved 2 MVP's, and he got one. He was robbed the year Iverson got it. Hakeem didn't deserve any more, and neither did Kobe.

Then you have someone like Nash and Malone? Malone is a top 15-20 player regardless. He wins 1 or 2 championships, and he is more than likely in the top 10. Take someone like Nash too. He wins a chip or two in his prime, like he probably should have in 07, and he leaps into the top 20 for most people.

To sit here and pretend Karl Malone is some huge drop off of a player compared to Shaq, Kobe and Hakeem is insulting in itself. Dude was averaging 20ppg when he was just about 40. Says enough about how good a basketball player he was.

Just because Kobe fans don't want to respect the award due to Lebron winning a whole bunch, and rightfully so, doesn't mean it isn't worth anything. The criteria is consistent, and rewards the best player on one of the best teams in the league. It is the staple and most prestigious award a player can receive in the NBA. Every kid grows up wishing to be the MVP of the league and winning a championship.

[NZStreetBaller]

Not really. Otherwise Kobe would have way more than Duncan.

Yeah the whole rape thing doesn't help plus ESPN feeds the mainstream with lebron is the almighty untouchable great one bull crap so they alone can basically persuade an MVP

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Karl Malone & Steve Nash have a combined 4 MVPs

Kobe, Shaq & Hakeem have a combined 3 MVPs
Dwight has 3 times as many DPOYs as Duncan, Pippen, Rodman, Garnett combined.

You can literally do this to any award

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yeah the whole rape thing doesn't help plus ESPN feeds the mainstream with lebron is the almighty untouchable great one bull crap so they alone can basically persuade an MVP
I addressed this earlier. Kobe was never robbed of an MVP in his career. Not even close.

[Warfan]

If people honestly think the MVP award is a joke they need to go look and compare it to the winners of FMVP. You tell me which group is better? There's always going to be an aberration for award winners, whether it be MVP, FMVP, DPOY etc...

[plowking]

Dwight has 3 times as many DPOYs as Duncan, Pippen, Rodman, Garnett combined.

You can literally do this to any award


Exactly it's like Kobe's 9 all defensive first team selections. There isn't a single person in the world that thinks Kobe is the best defender ever, let alone on the perimeter, but there he is, with the most ever.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Re: Shaq only has 1 MVP

- He deserved the 2001 award.

- Has somewhat of a case for 2005 (him winning wouldn't have been a travesty)

- He doesn't have even more than that because he only played like 60 games most seasons.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If people honestly think the MVP award is a joke they need to go look and compare it to the winners of FMVP. You tell me which group is better? There's always going to be an aberration for award winners, whether it be MVP, FMVP, DPOY etc...
Every single person who's won an MVP is either a HOF or an ironclad lock to get in (except for Derrick Rose).

[iamgine]

Kobe Bryant = 5190 points (120 total first place votes)

Tim Duncan = 5237 points (166 total first place votes)

Shaquille O'Neal = 5214 points (220 total first place votes)

LeBron James 7484 points (457 total first place votes)


Keep in mind, the total possible points in a given year changes somewhat from year to year but is relatively close. There is an advantage in total possible votes in newer years, giving a slight advantage to LeBron and Kobe over Duncan, but a larger disadvantage to Shaq. For example, 2008 when Kobe won, there were 1260 total points possible (this ties the most I saw), in one of Duncan's MVPs only 1190 were possible (1260 was possible during his other year), and Shaq competed in years when only 1050 was possible (example, 1995 when he was 2nd).

Interesting note, Kobe has 120 total 1st place votes for his career, something Shaq was able to do in a single year (2000), as well as LeBron (2013).
This is a terrible counting system. Why not just add up the percentages? :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Exactly it's like Kobe's 9 all defensive first team selections. There isn't a single person in the world that thinks Kobe is the best defender ever, let alone on the perimeter, but there he is, with the most ever.


Except all d was voted on by coaches until this year.

And MVP is voted on by skip bayless.

Oh and great argument above :rolleyes:

"If Nash & Malone win rings they are top 10"

OOOOOOOOOKAY?

They didnt, but keep using hypotheticals to dismiss facts :lol

[Andrei89]

MVP award is no joke just because Kobe and Shaq have won.

It awards the best player of the season who leads his team to the most wins. U mad, he mad, they mad, everybody mad..

[PickernRoller]

Best player in the world =/= MVP.

Back in the day having a superstar by your side meant you automatically were crossed out of the MVP discussion until the cHeat happened.

If you want to be considered MVP you have to have at least the second best record in your conference - least. That's a team accomplishment, hardly an individual one.

Reason why in 06 and 07 Kobe won jack sh1t. Was it his fault or was it the team he was surrounded with? Neither at fault....the award is simply flawed.

So you see, It's hardly an objective MVP award....it's a subjective award on many things.

Popularity plays a role. Colorado incident and how the outside world views you plays a role - the NBA is a product sold. The media and favoritism plays a role. What I have said above plays a role. I could come up with a few more...

I care little for MVP for a long time now - since it became a joke, 06.

I only care about who the best player in the league is at a given year: that's Lebron this past season. Durant getting the MVP means nothing to me in his resume.