Wade would be crazy to opt out...right?

[beastee]

At this point in his decline, after an atrocious finals it is Obvious that D Wade's slide from a top player is in full force. Why would he risk opting out to only get lowballed from that crafty dude, Pat Riley. With Lebron getting the full dick pat down to stay, Wade is gonna just get super jealous in negotations.

Dude should just opt in and take that money.

[Marchesk]

Unless he cares more about rings. :confusedshrug:

[fiddy]

At this point in his decline, after an atrocious finals it is Obvious that D Wade's slide from a top player is in full force. Why would he risk opting out to only get lowballed from that crafty dude, Pat Riley. With Lebron getting the full dick pat down to stay, Wade is gonna just get super jealous in negotations.

Dude should just opt in and take that money.
Agreed.

[PJR]

How many times is this topic going to be discussed? If he's assured more security and more years, there's incentive for him to opt out. He's got two years 41 million left on his deal. If he can get something like a 4 year, 60 million deal, that's works out well both for Wade, and the Heat organization going forward.

[Derka]

He would be full-blown retarded to opt out unless its for better money. A four-year deal for a guy in Wade's physical condition is out of the question if you're trying for deep playoff runs every year.

Win all the rings you want, no one is ever going to put your name in the discussion for Top SG. The shine for this time in the Miami Heat era will always and forever be fully placed on Lebron James. Wade has a Finals MVP, three rings, two NBA First Team selections, a scoring title, 10 All-Star games with a ASG MVP, a Gold Medal and he's the Heat's all-time leading scorer and will be worshipped in Miami for the remainder of his days. Oh, and he gets to spend the rest of thsoe days with two knees that will probably need to be replaced entirely before he even gets a grey hair on his head. That sucks, btw. Point is: for a guy in Wade's shoes, he's maxed out. He's done it all. More rings is just jewelry. $42 million dollars is $42 million motherf*cking dollars.

Take the money, dude.

And don't tell me it's all about winning and being a competitor either. If they take massive paycuts to bring in more superstar help for the sake of jewelry, that's winning in about as meaningful a way as a jackweed faking a disability to win the Special Olympics.

[navy]

He will only opt out for a comparable long term deal. And Pat Riley has already shown he is loyal.

[aj1987]

He said he would be willing to take a pay cut if the Heat sign better players.

[AintNoSunshine]

:oldlol: Keep telling yourself that, haters scared as fukk

[Rocketswin2013]

He said he would be willing to take a pay cut if the Heat sign better players.
lol.

Link

[Rose'sACL]

he would be retarded to opt out. opt in and make good money while retiring after 2 years so that he can still use his knees after retirement. he is owed 41.6 mil over next 2 years. take that and retire happily.
40 mil/4years deal is not good for both wade and miami. He would be done after 1 year if lebron and bosh leave so why take a chance at all.

[HOoopCityJones]

He will only opt out for a comparable long term deal. And Pat Riley has already shown he is loyal.

:facepalm

You're delusional if you think they're EVER gonna max out Wade again after this season and post season, ANY Team for that matter. His stock fell big time, all he has is the 20 mil he's owed , and if he turns that down he could be scraping for minimum level contracts til he retires , this is his last chance to get big money, you think he's gonna turn that down?

Especially since Riley and Arison are trying to go all in on James, Wade will never get a fat long term deal, Wade forfeited any claim to that type of deal when he asked the best player in the league to Team up with him. Loyalty from Riles to Wade is promising his Jersey will be retired, not better money.



Something seems to escape Heat fans too often, Wade took the biggest paycut just to get you bums the first two, so right now he's feeling very entitled to that bread.

[PJR]

:oldlol: Keep telling yourself that, haters scared as fukk

Ya, it's pretty comical to watch these dudes say anything to rationalize their position on why Wade shouldn't opt out. The agenda is so transparent, obviously they want the Heat's flexibility to be as minimal as possible. :oldlol:

James, Bosh, Wade will all ultimately make the best decisions for themselves. But best believe they will hear Riley's pitch.

[Dresta]

Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that he would make more money by opting out and signing 4-5 years $55-60 mil, and that would give Miami the cap flexibility they need?

[DukeDelonte13]

When Danny Green and Patty Mills arguably outplay you in the finals?

In a normal situation i would say he would be crazy but Wade has deep deep ties with this franchise. Heat owe Wade for each and every one of their rings.
If it wasn't for Wade's colluding there would be no big 3.

I think they restructure his deal and he get's taken care of like Kirilenko.

[Rose'sACL]

Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that he would make more money by opting out and signing 4-5 years $55-60 mil, and that would give Miami the cap flexibility they need?
that would kill miami. it is better for both wade and miami that he opts in and takes his 41 mil over next 2 years and then retires with okay knees instead of needing a stick to walk after 50.

[Rocketswin2013]

Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that he would make more money by opting out and signing 4-5 years $55-60 mil, and that would give Miami the cap flexibility they need?
Because Wade can't last 2 seasons. Let alone 4. And let's say he can, he'd be a liability on D, and lethargic on offense. While barely playing half the season in his third year at best. That length of a contract isn't good for Wade.

[DukeDelonte13]

Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that he would make more money by opting out and signing 4-5 years $55-60 mil, and that would give Miami the cap flexibility they need?


because 40 million in two isn't necessarily a lot less money than 55-60 over four.

It's always better to get a lot of money up front rather than get a little more spread out over a longer period of time.

[navy]

:facepalm

You're delusional if you think they're EVER gonna max out Wade again after this season and post season, ANY Team for that matter. His stock fell big time, all he has is the 20 mil he's owed , and if he turns that down he could be scraping for minimum level contracts til he retires , this is his last chance to get big money, you think he's gonna turn that down?

Especially since Riley and Arison are trying to go all in on James, Wade will never get a fat long term deal, Wade forfeited any claim to that type of deal when he asked the best player in the league to Team up with him. Loyalty from Riles to Wade is promising his Jersey will be retired, not better money.



Something seems to escape Heat fans too often, Wade took the biggest paycut just to get you bums the first two, so right now he's feeling very entitled to that bread.

4 years at 12 million is more than he would make from opting out then fighting for scraps/retiring. For a win now team it allows Wade to stay until he is sure he is going to retire. And it is a deal Miami would surely take.

I just dont know what Wade wants. If he is looking to stay a while and contend for ring then he will take a deal like that. If he really doesnt want to play past 2016 than yeah he will opt in. Or if Lebron has already made up his mind to go to Cleveland.

[Derka]

Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that he would make more money by opting out and signing 4-5 years $55-60 mil, and that would give Miami the cap flexibility they need?
Probably for the same reason its so hard for you morons to understand that he doesn't have 4-5 years of deep playoff runs left in those knees, even as a backup. You honestly believe Riley considers $10-$12 million a year for a guy who will be bench material after next year a worthy use of resources?

[navy]

Probably for the same reason its so hard for you morons to understand that he doesn't have 4-5 years of deep playoff runs left in those knees, even as a backup. You honestly believe Riley considers $10-$12 million a year for a guy who will be bench material after next year a worthy use of resources?

You honestly think Riley would not offer that deal to Wade to keep Lebron? Even if Wade doesnt have it for the last two years, 10-12 million is in last two year is way better than 20 million in the next two.

What was Wade averaging 18/4/4 on 50+% shooting before the last two games and he cant get a 10 million dollar deal? Typical ISH overreactions. :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

Probably for the same reason its so hard for you morons to understand that he doesn't have 4-5 years of deep playoff runs left in those knees, even as a backup. You honestly believe Riley considers $10-$12 million a year for a guy who will be bench material after next year a worthy use of resources?

This.


Wade is gonna take that money , no matter what pitch Riley makes , there's no way he can even pretend to wanna give Wade a better contract after the season he had, plus knowing that Lebron should be their center piece moving forward.


They'll either ask Wade to retire or take a vets minimum. He'll feel slighted and opt in to get his money.

[PJR]

How shook are some of these Heat hating dudes going to be if James, Wade, and Bosh all decide to opt out? :oldlol:

[navy]

How shook are some of these Heat hating dudes going to be if James, Wade, and Bosh all decide to opt out? :oldlol:

That is what we want you retard. :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

You honestly think Riley would not offer that deal to Wade to keep Lebron? Even if Wade doesnt have it for the last two years, 10-12 million is in last two year is way better than 20 million in the next two.

What was Wade averaging 18/4/4 on 50+% shooting before the last two games and he cant get a 10 million dollar deal? Typical ISH overreactions. :oldlol:

You're the one who's living in Fantasy land bro.

We're just being real, if you look at the situation objectively instead of as a fan you'll know that Wade has all the power in this situation, not Riley, Arison or Lebron like ESPN would like you to believe.

[Dresta]

Probably for the same reason its so hard for you morons to understand that he doesn't have 4-5 years of deep playoff runs left in those knees, even as a backup. You honestly believe Riley considers $10-$12 million a year for a guy who will be bench material after next year a worthy use of resources?
Sorry, but you don't have the slightest idea how long he has left. People said Manu was done after last years finals, and look how he performed now at 37. Wade had a good year aside from the finals, and the extended rest he's had this season should help him next season. All that pushing through knee injuries in 2012-13 is what has precipitated such a rapid fall-off in athleticism. He isn't going to magically forget how to play basketball.

Yes, and of course Riley considers that because with the resigning of Bosh & Bron and then a couple of extra pieces puts them in place gives Miami the opportunity to compete for another few years. If you remember correctly Riley threw away the Heat's future far more when he signed Shaq to that behemoth contract for effectively a 2-3 year title run (and this contract led to the 15-67 season and was much worse than any contract Wade will be signing). If Miami can sign a competent shotblocker then they won't have to use the energy draining defensive scheme they've been running the last for years, and that will help keep the players fresh as well.

Don't worry though, we will see soon enough how wrong you are.

[PJR]

That is what we want you retard. :oldlol:

Not really. No Heat hater would want Pat Riley to have a clean salary cap. That will not end well for the rest of the league. :lol

[navy]

You're the one who's living in Fantasy land bro.

We're just being real, if you look at the situation objectively instead of as a fan you'll know that Wade has all the power in this situation, not Riley, Arison or Lebron like ESPN would like you to believe.
:facepalm

How about you read my post. I have looked at it objectively, you just have no idea what you are talking about.


I just dont know what Wade wants. If he is looking to stay a while and contend for ring then he will take a deal like that. If he really doesnt want to play past 2016 than yeah he will opt in. Or if Lebron has already made up his mind to go to Cleveland.

[navy]

Not really. No Heat hater would want Pat Riley to have a clean salary cap. That will not end well for the rest of the league. :lol

Oh shit, I read your post wrong. I thought you said Heat fan not hater. My bad. :lol

[Derka]

You honestly think Riley would not offer that deal to Wade to keep Lebron? Even if Wade doesnt have it for the last two years, 10-12 million is in last two year is way better than 20 million in the next two.

What was Wade averaging 18/4/4 on 50+% shooting before the last two games and he cant get a 10 million dollar deal? Typical ISH overreactions. :oldlol:

Bolded: no, it absolutely is not.

Also, beginning to think a lot of you weren't watching the series the rest of us just watched. $12 million per for four years for that guy is an absolute joke.

[Rose'sACL]

Sorry, but you don't have the slightest idea how long he has left. People said Manu was done after last years finals, and look how he performed now at 37. Wade had a good year aside from the finals, and the extended rest he's had this season should help him next season. All that pushing through knee injuries in 2012-13 is what has precipitated such a rapid fall-off in athleticism. He isn't going to magically forget how to play basketball.

Yes, and of course Riley considers that because with the resigning of Bosh & Bron and then a couple of extra pieces puts them in place gives Miami the opportunity to compete for another few years. If you remember correctly Riley threw away the Heat's future far more when he signed Shaq to that behemoth contract for effectively a 2-3 year title run (and this contract led to the 15-67 season and was much worse than any contract Wade will be signing). If Miami can sign a competent shotblocker then they won't have to use the energy draining defensive scheme they've been running the last for years, and that will help keep the players fresh as well.

Don't worry though, we will see soon enough how wrong you are.
manu doesn't have wade's knees. Try to be unbiased. Wade was missing layups and had half the verticle of current manu. Also, manu is 36 and making 7.5 mil coming off the bench. He was still better than wade in the finals. He doesn't have to worry about his knees.
How can people not get that it was not his bad performance alone but his knees combined with bad performance that makes people question if he can last more than a couple of years at most?

[PJR]

Yes, and of course Riley considers that because with the resigning of Bosh & Bron and then a couple of extra pieces puts them in place gives Miami the opportunity to compete for another few years. If you remember correctly Riley threw away the Heat's future far more when he signed Shaq to that behemoth contract for effectively a 2-3 year title run (and this contract led to the 15-67 season and was much worse than any contract Wade will be signing). If Miami can sign a competent shotblocker then they won't have to use the energy draining defensive scheme they've been running the last for years, and that will help keep the players fresh as well.

Don't worry though, we will see soon enough how wrong you are.

BINGO.

The Heat signed Shaq to a 5 year 100 million dollar extension contract when he was 32. And Shaq was set to make MUCH more, but Riley convinced him to sign less so that they could make the trades for Walker, Posey, and Jason Williams.

Riley doesn't give a shit about "the future," until he has to(he was able to dump Shaq on PHX later on anyways). He always operates in the now.

Dudes talking about the Heat won't give their own legend Wade a 4 year retirement package at 60-65 million? Please.

[Dresta]

This.


Wade is gonna take that money , no matter what pitch Riley makes , there's no way he can even pretend to wanna give Wade a better contract after the season he had, plus knowing that Lebron should be their center piece moving forward.


They'll either ask Wade to retire or take a vets minimum. He'll feel slighted and opt in to get his money.
That would just never happen. You understand nothing about the Heat or Pat Riley if you think he'd do that. It would be idiotic. Wade holds all the cards and more money over more years gives Miami a far better chance to compete the next few years, so Riley would be foolish to do otherwise.

Not to mention that Wade could get more than the vets min elsewhere. Seriously, what an idiotic assertion. Are you really that deluded/stupid or just trolling miserably?

[navy]

Bolded: no, it absolutely is not.

Also, beginning to think a lot of you weren't watching the series the rest of us just watched. $12 million per for four years for that guy is an absolute joke.

Yes it is. Because like I said, it allows you Cap room and the abiltity to contend now with Lebron.

Like I said ISH is over reactionary. Wade in the first three games of the Finals had 18/4 on 55% shooting. Played bad the last two games and suddenly that became the norm. :oldlol:

[r15mohd]

You're the one who's living in Fantasy land bro.

We're just being real, if you look at the situation objectively instead of as a fan you'll know that Wade has all the power in this situation, not Riley, Arison or Lebron like ESPN would like you to believe.

Wade can be in control...but can come out looking as the bad guy or good guy.

Bad guy: opts-in, costs the Heat title contention, possible Lebron signing elsewhere and plays out his two-years on a declining Heat squad. backlash from the fan base, regardless of how liked Wade may be in Miami, will be ridiculed for this move. but he selfishly gains $42 mil in 2-seasons and retires. basically says F-U Miami, i'm getting mine!

Good guy: opts-out, takes less over a 4-year deal, Lebron and Bosh restructure appropriately. frees up space to sign valued role players, Miami competes for title through the next 4-years as the Big 3 once again. Wade is looked at as putting Miami on his shoulders (as his best interest, not just himself) and can possibly retire after a title run or win. Fans rejoice everywhere and all is good.

many forget that Wade has about 7-8 years left on the Li-Ning deal, at $10 mil a year not to mention added equity in the company as those years pass by. the restructured salary isn't going to hurt him as bad as many of you try to indicate.

the latter will take place and Riley will ensure it.

[Akrazotile]

How many times is this topic going to be discussed? If he's assured more security and more years, there's incentive for him to opt out. He's got two years 41 million left on his deal. If he can get something like a 4 year, 60 million deal, that's works out well both for Wade, and the Heat organization going forward.


That doesnt work out well for the Heat organization IMO.

[Derka]

Sorry, but you don't have the slightest idea how long he has left. People said Manu was done after last years finals, and look how he performed now at 37. Wade had a good year aside from the finals, and the extended rest he's had this season should help him next season. All that pushing through knee injuries in 2012-13 is what has precipitated such a rapid fall-off in athleticism. He isn't going to magically forget how to play basketball.

Yes, and of course Riley considers that because with the resigning of Bosh & Bron and then a couple of extra pieces puts them in place gives Miami the opportunity to compete for another few years. If you remember correctly Riley threw away the Heat's future far more when he signed Shaq to that behemoth contract for effectively a 2-3 year title run (and this contract led to the 15-67 season and was much worse than any contract Wade will be signing). If Miami can sign a competent shotblocker then they won't have to use the energy draining defensive scheme they've been running the last for years, and that will help keep the players fresh as well.

Don't worry though, we will see soon enough how wrong you are.

You mean the extended rest that was supposed to prepare him for this series? That sure worked out just swimmingly, didn't it? I'm sure after another year of age tacked on, another 100+ game season and another short summer without as much rest as younger guys at his position without half of his milage or his injury history, he'll just be right as rain come October. :lol

[PJR]

That doesnt work out well for the Heat organization IMO.

Maybe not on the backend, but for the immediate flexibility, it's most certainly does work out.

It's can be the difference between the Heat being able to use the 5 million Mid Level exception (4 years 20 million max) , and get a very good contributor, as opposed to being only able to offer the mini Mid Level at 3.2 million (3 years, 10 million max), and only minimums to offer outside of that.

[PJR]

Wade can be in control...but can come out looking as the bad guy or good guy.

Bad guy: opts-in, costs the Heat title contention, possible Lebron signing elsewhere and plays out his two-years on a declining Heat squad. backlash from the fan base, regardless of how liked Wade may be in Miami, will be ridiculed for this move. but he selfishly gains $42 mil in 2-seasons and retires. basically says F-U Miami, i'm getting mine!

Good guy: opts-out, takes less over a 4-year deal, Lebron and Bosh restructure appropriately. frees up space to sign valued role players, Miami competes for title through the next 4-years as the Big 3 once again. Wade is looked at as putting Miami on his shoulders (as his best interest, not just himself) and can possibly retire after a title run or win. Fans rejoice everywhere and all is good.

many forget that Wade has about 7-8 years left on the Li-Ning deal, at $10 mil a year not to mention added equity in the company as those years pass by. the restructured salary isn't going to hurt him as bad as many of you try to indicate.

the latter will take place and Riley will ensure it.


Wade isn't going to be a "Bad Guy" regardless of what he does. If he wants to opt in to the contract that he EARNED, he's completely entitled to do that.

Stop thinking from the perspective of a selfish fan.

The onus is on the Heat organization(Micky, Pat, Ellisburg) to make it work out. He'll only opt out if he's certain and comfortable that he'll be able to get more security.

[Dresta]

manu doesn't have wade's knees. Try to be unbiased. Wade was missing layups and had half the verticle of current manu. Also, manu is 36 and making 7.5 mil coming off the bench. He was still better than wade in the finals. He doesn't have to worry about his knees.
How can people not get that it was not his bad performance alone but his knees combined with bad performance that makes people question if he can last more than a couple of years at most?
The finals wasn't about his knees. It was more about just missing shots. He missed loads of shots that he was making in the Indiana series and his mid-range disappeared largely as well, which makes everything more difficult.

Manu this regular season:

12/3/4/1 on 59TS%

Wade:

19/5/5/2 on 59TS%

(before you bring up missed games, Wade played more minutes than Manu this regular season)
Postseason Manu: 14/4/3/2 on 59TS%

Wade: 18/4/4/2 on 56TS% (even with that terrible finals, and again playing 100+ more minutes)

How about Parker?

17/2/6 on 56TS%

17/2/5 on 53TS% - playoffs

(both only playing slightly more minutes than D-Wade)

You are judging everything off of one series, and that is moronic. Apparently one of these guy's careers is completely finished whereas the other are a-ok (some even considered Tony Parker a top-10 player and mvp candidate :roll: ).

Hilarious double standard and it comes from you just not liking the guy - maybe you should try to be unbiased? Because the numbers indicate that is what you are doing.

[FLDFSU]

Whoa whoa. What is all this talk about Wade not being a max player. Just last week ISH said Wade was a top 5 NBA player and the real leader of the Heat.

[Dresta]

You mean the extended rest that was supposed to prepare him for this series? That sure worked out just swimmingly, didn't it? I'm sure after another year of age tacked on, another 100+ game season and another short summer without as much rest as younger guys at his position without half of his milage or his injury history, he'll just be right as rain come October. :lol
He had a bad series, so? It happens, especially against great teams that take away the lane like SA (no other team does this as effectively as they do). They were the perfect foil for Miami, and looked a hell of a lot more motivated.

Once again: Manu played less minutes than him this season, Tony Parker (who is the same kind of age) played very slightly more, and also seems to have his share of injury problems each and every postseason as well. Luckily, the Spurs aren't nearly as reliant on those two guys (individually) as Miami are on Wade (see Patty Mills being a difference maker, Diaw, Kawhi and even Splitter all making plays, not to mention Duncan and Green).

[r15mohd]

That doesnt work out well for the Heat organization IMO.


it works if all three agree to a staggered restructure, which is completely appropriate given the way they've contributed...but Wade has to take the biggest hit on it.

Lebron 18mil
Bosh 15mil
Wade 12mil
Haslem 4.5mil
Cole 2mil

thats about $50 mil and leaves $14-15 mil to sign free agency to meet the cap this summer, and also have added flexibility due to the tax level coming in around $75 mil and Arison on board with taking that initial hit.

once Wade agrees, Miami will have great-standing leverage to make valued signings. they just have to ensure they are actual VALUED SIGNINGS, not busts, and starting in the paint with good defensive anchors.

[Rocketswin2013]

:roll: Wade could give a shit less about LeBron leaving (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2014/05/27/dwyane-wade-lebron-james-miami-heat-vs-indiana-pacers-game-5-preview-eastern-conference-finals/9636979/). He wants his money. When will people realize this? Wade is going to make the best decision for himself. It's his career. Not LeBron's, not Riley's, Not Bosh's.


The dynamic James-Wade combination looks fantastic again, Wade's performance not only has implications for Miami now, it could have consequences on Miami's future even though Wade said he is not singularly responsible for James' decision this summer.

But truth is, when James looks at his options and tries to determine which team has the best shot of winning a championship next season and beyond, a healthy Wade makes the Heat's chances of keeping James.

"Just don't solely put it on me," Wade said, laughing. "That's what I'm saying. Don't put the X on me. ... There's a lot that goes into, so just don't say, 'If Dwyane Wade doesn't have the year that we're accustomed to, it's over.' "

70% chance he takes his money IMHO.

[Dresta]

it works if all three agree to a staggered restructure, which is completely appropriate given the way they've contributed...but Wade has to take the biggest hit on it.

Lebron 18mil
Bosh 15mil
Wade 12mil
Haslem 4.5mil
Cole 2mil

thats about $50 mil and leaves $14-15 mil to sign free agency to meet the cap this summer, and also have added flexibility due to the tax level coming in around $75 mil and Arison on board with taking that initial hit.

once Wade agrees, Miami will have great-standing leverage to make valued signings. they just have to ensure they are actual VALUED SIGNINGS, not busts, and starting in the paint with good defensive anchors.
That's a problem. He is only worth the minimum, if that. I would resign Beasley for the minimum as he could be a difference maker. I still don't know why he didn't get any burn in the finals until basically being an act of desperation by Spo. He played well when he came on and attacked SA's defense very effectively, actually looked decent defensively, and would've been a huge mis-match problem for them. It was a mistake to not make more of an effort to incorporate Beasley imo.

[r15mohd]

Wade isn't going to be a "Bad Guy" regardless of what he does. If he wants to opt in to the contract that he EARNED, he's completely entitled to do that.

Stop thinking from the perspective of a selfish fan.

The onus is on the Heat organization(Micky, Pat, Ellisburg) to make it work out. He'll only opt out if he's certain and comfortable that he'll be able to get more security.


selfish fan? because I put the team's success first over any player? :rolleyes:

if Wade is as stand-up as he say he is, he'll opt-out and be the "hero" to a chance at more rings...it improves his image so much more going out on top with those sacrifices. you don't think the Spurs method will be a highlight of Riley's to how to structure the team to continue winning? LoL at you thinking he won't get backlash, it may not be much but Wade will get some hate and well deserved for putting a ball and chain on the organizations ability to make moves to win.

[r15mohd]

That's a problem. He is only worth the minimum, if that. I would resign Beasley for the minimum as he could be a difference maker. I still don't know why he didn't get any burn in the finals until basically being an act of desperation by Spo. He played well when he came on and attacked SA's defense very effectively, actually looked decent defensively, and would've been a huge mis-match problem for them. It was a mistake to not make more of an effort to incorporate Beasley imo.

that's his (Halsem's) contract for this year, unsure they'll try and get him to renegotiate his contract or if he even has a player option to it though

as for beasley, I expected him to be a more intricate part of the becnh for Spo the whole playoff run...I'm really unsure why he didn't incorporate him more to be honest. getting him back at the vet minimum is a good option, pretty sure he takes that if the Big3 remain...he's always refrring to lebron as his big bro and being under his wing.


if they restructure...a very viable team can be had at the same salary they had this year, with much more talent:

SF/PF...Lebron...........$18,000,000.00
PF/C....Bosh...............$15,000,000.00
SG.......Wade..............$12,000,000.00
PF.......Haslem..............$4,500,000.00
PG.......Cole..................$2,000,000.00
SG......??????????.........$5,500,000.00
C........Dalembert .........$3,000,000.00
C........Steimsma.........,,$1,750,000.00
PF.......Gooden............$1,000,000.00
SF.......Beasley.............$1,000,000.00
PG/SF..S.Liviningston ...$2,500,000.00
SG/SF..R.Butler............$1,250,000.00
SG/SF..J.Jones.............$1,500,000.00
SG......Ray Allen...........$2,000,000.00
C........C.Andersen........$2,000,000.00
TOTAL.......................$73,000,000.00

V. Carter @ $1,500,000.00 if Dalembert or Anderson doesnt sign. You can also use Ray Allen's retirment of $2mil and add it to the $5.5mil available for SG to hunt down someone like Chandler Parsons.

[PJR]

selfish fan? because I put the team's success first over any player? :rolleyes:

if Wade is as stand-up as he say he is, he'll opt-out and be the "hero" to a chance at more rings...it improves his image so much more going out on top with those sacrifices. you don't think the Spurs method will be a highlight of Riley's to how to structure the team to continue winning? LoL at you thinking he won't get backlash, it may not be much but Wade will get some hate and well deserved for putting a ball and chain on the organizations ability to make moves to win.

To suggest a player is a "BAD GUY" if he doesn't take less money at their job for your personal enjoyment, makes you sound utterly ridiculous. That's completely unreasonable.

Wade already took less money once to get this thing together. He's in no way shape or form entitled to do it again. And any Heat fan who would throw shade at him for not opting out is an idiot. Plain and simple.

[Dresta]

Agreed in that Wade will only take money if it is in his own best interest. He signed that contract and is owed that money. It is up to Riley to offer him something he would prefer and that would be more beneficial to the team. It's not like if a guy outperforms his salary level his employer goes 'you did well this year so we're gonna give you loads more money' - it's like Wade demanding to be payed an extra $20 mil after the 2006 finals. Miami has already AGREED to pay him that money.

[r15mohd]

To label a player a "BAD GUY" if he doesn't take less money at their job for your personal enjoyment, makes you sound utterly ridiculous. That's completely unreasonable.

Wade already took less money once to get this thing together. He's in no way shape or form entitled to do it again. And any Heat fan who would throw shade at him for not opting out is an idiot. Plain and simple.

wade took on average 1-million less than Bosh and Lebron...look it up, it's even less than one million per year. so much in uproar over pay-cut when it's miniscule in these terms! :facepalm and all while singing $100mil over 10-years with Li-Ning...you Wade-strongholds are something. such a big loss and hamper on Wade's part :rolleyes:

he may not be entitle to a pay cut (he actually is, given his decline and performance/absences) but he will be the one pushed into the corner on it. all that b/s about him being the X-factor is COMPLETELY right...whether he wants to believe it or not. if he chooses not to believe it, opt-in and cost the team more title runs. it's that simple for him. don't even need to have a meeting with Riley/Arison...just do it so we can formidably begin looking into rebuilding our future.

[FLDFSU]

To suggest a player is a "BAD GUY" if he doesn't take less money at their job for your personal enjoyment, makes you sound utterly ridiculous. That's completely unreasonable.

Wade already took less money once to get this thing together. He's in no way shape or form entitled to do it again. And any Heat fan who would throw shade at him for not opting out is an idiot. Plain and simple.

:applause: Wade may make money for the next 4 years max. Mikey will make 10s of millions for the next 3 decades

[Akrazotile]

The finals wasn't about his knees. It was more about just missing shots. He missed loads of shots that he was making in the Indiana series and his mid-range disappeared largely as well, which makes everything more difficult.

Manu this regular season:

12/3/4/1 on 59TS%

Wade:

19/5/5/2 on 59TS%

(before you bring up missed games, Wade played more minutes than Manu this regular season)
Postseason Manu: 14/4/3/2 on 59TS%

Wade: 18/4/4/2 on 56TS% (even with that terrible finals, and again playing 100+ more minutes)

How about Parker?

17/2/6 on 56TS%

17/2/5 on 53TS% - playoffs

(both only playing slightly more minutes than D-Wade)

You are judging everything off of one series, and that is moronic. Apparently one of these guy's careers is completely finished whereas the other are a-ok (some even considered Tony Parker a top-10 player and mvp candidate :roll: ).

Hilarious double standard and it comes from you just not liking the guy - maybe you should try to be unbiased? Because the numbers indicate that is what you are doing.


I agree with all this, everyone is assuming that bc Wade had a poor finals it means he is physically done. His athleticism had nothing to do with it, as you said he just missed shots. I also felt he got particularly unlucky with foul calls and got shafted by some really bad calls at both ends that took him out of his rhythm. You could say its karma for flopping but everyone flops now. There was no evidence though that he had any trouble moving. Its like how people assume bc the Spurs didnt win in 08 or 09 that Duncan was "washed up" or past his prime when the actual numbers and observation showed he wasnt really any different. People thought Ray Allen was pretty much done by the time he got to the Heat.


People are always in a hurry to write guys off because they want to see whats coming next. Who's the next big thing? What's next? Do we have a lottery pick, are we gonna get a great prospect? Lets get more lottery picks, I want some potential!!! Same reason the backup QB is always the most popular guy in town. People dont want tried and true, they want young and exciting potential and promise to get all frenzied about. So they start pushing guys out the door pretty much as soon as they hit 30-32 or so, regardless of whether there is any merit to it or not.


Edit: But Ill also say it would be dumb for the Heat to overpay him. The reality is, he DOES overlap with Bran in terms of functional value and they can pay someone else to do that for a lot less. If we're talking strictly about winning and doing whats best for the team competitively, Wade shouldnt be making more than 10-12M for the next couple years. Anything more than that and they could probably make more significant improvements with that money. But obviously he has the opt-in for $20M and its his right to use it if he wants. But if he does opt out, they shouldnt hand him a damaging contract just because.

[Dresta]

I agree with all this, everyone is assuming that bc Wade had a poor finals it means he is physically done. His athleticism had nothing to do with it, as you said he just missed shots. I also felt he got particularly unlucky with foul calls and got shafted by some really bad calls at both ends that took him out of his rhythm. You could say its karma for flopping but everyone flops now. There was no evidence though that he had any trouble moving. Its like how people assume bc the Spurs didnt win in 08 or 09 that Duncan was "washed up" or past his prime when the actual numbers and observation showed he wasnt really any different. People thought Ray Allen was pretty much done by the time he got to the Heat.


People are always in a hurry to write guys off because they want to see whats coming next. Who's the next big thing? What's next? Do we have a lottery pick, are we gonna get a great prospect? Lets get more lottery picks, I want some potential!!! Same reason the backup QB is always the most popular guy in town. People dont want tried and true, they want young and exciting potential and promise to get all frenzied about. So they start pushing guys out the door pretty much as soon as they hit 30-32 or so, regardless of whether there is any merit to it or not.He did. I mean that Splitter block everyone got hyped was a terrible call and an obvious goaltend, put Wade on his ass, and was pretty embarrassing (people on here even saying it 'ended his career' or some bs). But it was a goaltend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9H9-xzYjZw

It clearly hits the glass first. I also recall a drive when he got badly hacked by Kawhi and Duncan with no call. The Spurs do without a doubt get preferential ref treatment. People complain about Miami whining to the refs and flopping, but the Spurs do this all the bloody time (that charge on Patty Mills smh, him and Ginobili are the worst). It is tough to get a rhythm when you routinely take tough shots and lots of contact is being let go on the defensive end, but offensively you can't even place your hand on the defender without them falling over and drawing a charge. It was ridiculous.

Not that the Spurs needed ref help to win, but they do get away with a hell of a lot. Spo needed to man up and get on the refs though like Pop does - he intimidates them, while Spo didn't even have the balls to draw a technical with his team getting blown out the gym.

[r15mohd]

I agree with all this, everyone is assuming that bc Wade had a poor finals it means he is physically done. His athleticism had nothing to do with it, as you said he just missed shots. I also felt he got particularly unlucky with foul calls and got shafted by some really bad calls at both ends that took him out of his rhythm. You could say its karma for flopping but everyone flops now. There was no evidence though that he had any trouble moving. Its like how people assume bc the Spurs didnt win in 08 or 09 that Duncan was "washed up" or past his prime when the actual numbers and observation showed he wasnt really any different. People thought Ray Allen was pretty much done by the time he got to the Heat.


People are always in a hurry to write guys off because they want to see whats coming next. Who's the next big thing? What's next? Do we have a lottery pick, are we gonna get a great prospect? Lets get more lottery picks, I want some potential!!! Same reason the backup QB is always the most popular guy in town. People dont want tried and true, they want young and exciting potential and promise to get all frenzied about. So they start pushing guys out the door pretty much as soon as they hit 30-32 or so, regardless of whether there is any merit to it or not.


Edit: But Ill also say it would be dumb for the Heat to overpay him. The reality is, he DOES overlap with Bran in terms of functional value and they can pay someone else to do that for a lot less. If we're talking strictly about winning and doing whats best for the team competitively, Wade shouldnt be making more than 10-12M for the next couple years. Anything more than that and they could probably make more significant improvements with that money. But obviously he has the opt-in for $20M and its his right to use it if he wants. But if he does opt out, they shouldnt hand him a damaging contract just because.


that's been the known of this all...Wade himself has stated in an article last week that he has 4-5 more years left in him to compete. it obvious that he's going to want to remain in Miami, so there in itself he has a long term mindset. has the loss of this title opportunity changed that? :confusedshrug:

what is unknown is Wade's feelings on whether he wants more title opportunities or more money now. no one knows, it's all speculation but as a player who's been at the top and been paid heavily with contracts and endorsements to date who is also on the downhill of his career, what would you rather at this point?

go out $42 mil over 2 years and retire without being at the top of your game or spend 4yrs at say $50-52mil, and possibly go out on top on that championship stage.

the latter is so much more a win-win for him, the organization and the fans alike.

[tontoz]

Sorry, but you don't have the slightest idea how long he has left. People said Manu was done after last years finals, and look how he performed now at 37.


Manu can shoot 3s. Wade can't. Guards who rely heavily on athleticism and can't shoot don't last that long even if they are healthy, which Wade isn't.

[Dresta]

Manu can shoot 3s. Wade can't. Guards who rely heavily on athleticism and can't shoot don't last that long even if they are healthy, which Wade isn't.
erm... Wade can definitely shoot and he hasn't been relying on athleticism all season and still put up good numbers all the way through with the exception of the finals. He has already adapted his game massively due to the drop-off in athleticism - if you haven't noticed this, then you haven't been watching Heat games.

Shot chart for playoffs: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2548&SeasonType=Playoffs

For regular season: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2548&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Where he struggled in the playoffs was finishing around the basket, that was partially SAS specific and partially because he was missing shots he usually makes. He has also shown the ability to develop a 3-point shout in the past in 09-10, but clearly hasn't worked on that part of his game since (because he was a rhythm shooter not a catch and shooter), but i wouldn't be surprised if he worked on his 3 this offseason. MJ never developed a 3-point shot and still played until 39 :lol. Tony Parker also doesn't shoot many 3's, but you ignored that apparently.

[boozehound]

erm... Wade can definitely shoot and he hasn't been relying on athleticism all season and still put up good numbers all the way through with the exception of the finals. He has already adapted his game massively due to the drop-off in athleticism - if you haven't noticed this, then you haven't been watching Heat games.

Shot chart for playoffs: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2548&SeasonType=Playoffs

For regular season: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2548&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Where he struggled in the playoffs was finishing around the basket, that was partially SAS specific and partially because he was missing shots he usually makes. He has also shown the ability to develop a 3-point shout in the past in 09-10, but clearly hasn't worked on that part of his game since (because he was a rhythm shooter not a catch and shooter), but i wouldn't be surprised if he worked on his 3 this offseason. MJ never developed a 3-point shot and still played until 39 :lol. Tony Parker also doesn't shoot many 3's, but you ignored that apparently.
Wait, Wade is a good outside shooter? Since when? I will take his career averages as more telling than a single post-season. Look at him this year in the regular season.

He shot 9/30. He only took 30 3s all season.

Now, he was 9/23 in the playoffs. But again, his career shows that he is not even an average outside shooter.

[Dresta]

Wait, Wade is a good outside shooter? Since when? I will take his career averages as more telling than a single post-season. Look at him this year in the regular season.

He shot 9/30. He only took 30 3s all season.

Now, he was 9/23 in the playoffs. But again, his career shows that he is not even an average outside shooter.
I didn't say he was a good outside shooter, just the only seasons he really took them he shot it ok. There is no reason to think he couldn't develop the shot this offseason if he puts the work in.

In 09 and 10 he was a decent outside shooter considering the difficulty of shots he had to take all season (just look at his numbers in the playoffs those years - he could definitely shoot it). And i wasn't talking about long range shooting either. He has always had a great mid-range game (with the exception of a couple seasons) his whole post-rookie NBA career.