37 year old Tim Duncan VS 37 year old Kareem

[jongib369]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqOSOXQIYAAZSKT.jpg


Who would you rather have on your team? Should this even be up for debate?



http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duncati01&y1=2014&p2=abdulka01&y2=1985

[DMAVS41]

It's closer for me than those numbers. Duncan was a noticeably better defender in my opinion.

Probably go with Kareem because he could still have an offense run through him for the most part, but it's close.

[Iceman#44]

Jabbar hands down


REGULAR SEASON AVERAGE:
KAJ: 22.0 ppg, 7.9 rbs, 3.2 ast, 0.8 stl, 2.1 blk, .599 FG%, .732 FT% in 33.3 min
TD: 15.1 ppg, 9.7 rbs, 3.0 ast, 0.6 stl, 1.9 blk, .490 FG%, .731 FT% in 29.2 min


PLAYOFFS AVERAGE
KAJ: 21.9 ppg, 8.1 rbs, 4.0 ast, 1.2 stl, 1.9 blk, .560 FG%, .777 FT% in 32.1 min
TD: 16.3 ppg, 9.1 rbs, 1.9 ast, 0.3 stl, 1.3 blk, .523 FG%, .760 FT% in 32.7 min



Jabbar destroyed Duncan in basically every single stat except for Boards.
Hell +10% FG during regular season! Almost 60% FG from the Field at 37 years old! Thats amazing!

[SOD 21]

The edge goes to Kareem Abdul Jabbar who averaged the following: 22 points, eight rebounds, three assists and 57% FG.

His skyhook was still unblockable and a very effective weapon in the post. He could definitely be fed the ball in the post as a reliable post scorer, which is something that Tim Duncan can't do nearly as often at this stage of his career. He was also an underrated passer out of the post.

Tim Duncan, however, is a little bit more rugged of a rebounder and defender than Kareem was at that stage of his career. But overall, Abdul-Jabbar has a slight advantage over him in most areas.

[jongib369]

Jabbar hands down


REGULAR SEASON AVERAGE:
KAJ: 22.0 ppg, 7.9 rbs, 3.2 ast, 0.8 stl, 2.1 blk, .599 FG%, .732 FT% in 33.3 min
TD: 15.1 ppg, 9.7 rbs, 3.0 ast, 0.6 stl, 1.9 blk, .490 FG%, .731 FT% in 29.2 min


PLAYOFFS AVERAGE
KAJ: 21.9 ppg, 8.1 rbs, 4.0 ast, 1.2 stl, 1.9 blk, .560 FG%, .777 FT% in 32.1 min
TD: 16.3 ppg, 9.1 rbs, 1.9 ast, 0.3 stl, 1.3 blk, .523 FG%, .760 FT% in 32.7 min



Jabbar destroyed Duncan in basically every single stat except for Boards.
Hell +10% FG during regular season! Almost 60% FG from the Field at 37 years old! Thats amazing!
Don't know how much you know about the eras in which Kareem played in but what do you think is the main cause for his RPG having such a big drop? I know pace/available rebounds is likely it along with the loss of athleticism but it's interesting to see how Duncan has stayed so consistent with his, even with less minutes. Take a look at his per 36

[Roundball_Rock]

Kareem even at 38 the following year was all-NBA first team and top 5 in MVP voting. Duncan has not been an elite player in years. Kareem's longevity>>>>anyone else's. Kareem also was the team's #1 option through age 38 while Duncan long ago ceded way to Parker. Kareem also was the go-to guy in clutch situations.

[unbreakable]

ill take duncans ability to pick n roll, hit the jumper outside the paint..

also duncan was 10x the defender kareem was. duncan not afraid to get down and dirty.. kareem was kinda SOFT

[Warfan]

Definitely KAJ, no doubt Duncan was very good this year but KAJ was better offensively, dominated Boston frontline and was still a capable defender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sc5YqFNAjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKeFI8q1zQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk184WaqvNo

Enjoy :bowdown: :rockon:

[plowking]

I think it's closer than stats suggest. I think Duncan was a better defender at this point. As far as offense goes, clearly Jabbar was more readily used and you were able to dump it in to him and let him work still. I appreciate Duncan refining his game, being able to hit the midrange jumper, and becoming an absolutely brilliant decoy and pick and roll player in a great Spurs offense.
I think Jabbar was the better offensive player, but at the same time, the Spurs weren't running it through Duncan as much, but when they needed to, they could.

It's tough. I'm not sure.

[unbreakable]

Duncan has not been an elite player in years.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
being the best and most consistent big man on both ends of the floor. the past few years, is not elite?

idgaf what ESPN says ... duncan >> dwight, love, lamarcus, griffin, etc.

youre salty as fukk that barkley isnt half the player duncan is...stop listening to ESPN, kiddo.

[jongib369]

Definitely KAJ, no doubt Duncan was very good this year but KAJ was better offensively, dominated Boston frontline and was still a capable defender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sc5YqFNAjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKeFI8q1zQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk184WaqvNo

Enjoy :bowdown: :rockon:
Thanks for the links, about to watch

Wish I could find this game.....38 years old and he's doing that? Against Sampson and Hakeem? JESUS

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198602060HOU.html

[Carbine]

I have seen quite a few Laker games from this season and Kareem was almost a negative defender, IMO. He moved around like an old man (which he was) and his rebounding was underwhelming for someone who played in that fast paced era.

He was a better scorer.

[unbreakable]

I have seen quite a few Laker games from this season and Kareem was almost a negative defender, IMO. He moved around like an old man (which he was) and his rebounding was underwhelming for someone who played in that fast paced era.

He was a better scorer.


enough with the passive aggressive posting... just admit Duncan was better and youd rather have #21

[hateraid]

I think it's closer than stats suggest. I think Duncan was a better defender at this point. As far as offense goes, clearly Jabbar was more readily used and you were able to dump it in to him and let him work still. I appreciate Duncan refining his game, being able to hit the midrange jumper, and becoming an absolutely brilliant decoy and pick and roll player in a great Spurs offense.
I think Jabbar was the better offensive player, but at the same time, the Spurs weren't running it through Duncan as much, but when they needed to, they could.

It's tough. I'm not sure.

Exactly. Do not look at statistics as possession were higher back then.
I'd take Kareem still as he still had that unstoppable Skyhook. The offense could still run through him

[unbreakable]

kareem was a 7 foot harden on defense

[GimmeThat]

well, I want my PF playing defense and my C scoring buckets

yup, it's closer than the stats suggest.

[Johnny Jones]

kareem was a 7 foot harden on defense
:facepalm :facepalm

[SOD 21]

One of the things that stands out the most about the Los Angeles Lakers in their championship run in 1985 is the way that Abdul Jabbar responded after the infamous Memorial Day Massacre against Boston when they lost by 34 points.

When his critics called him old and unable to compete with the big frontline from Boston, Abdul-Jabbar responded by doing the following in Game 2:

30 points, 17 rebounds, 8 assists and three blocks.

In fact in the last five games of that series after that Memorial Day loss, these are his numbers:

28.4 points, 10.2 rebounds, six assists and three blocks.

He turned back the hands of time with his performance when people questioned his ability to compete in the Finals. Quite impressive. It was a well earned Final's MVP by the 37-year-old Abdul-Jabbar.

[jongib369]

Here's a quick minute and a 1/2 vid of his highlights from that game

http://watch.nba.com/nba/video/channels/nba_tv/2013/09/13/20130803-kareem-vs-rockets.nba
Is there a different link you could give? Link doesn't work

[nylife33]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
being the best and most consistent big man on both ends of the floor. the past few years, is not elite?

idgaf what ESPN says ... duncan >> dwight, love, lamarcus, griffin, etc.

youre salty as fukk that barkley isnt half the player duncan is...stop listening to ESPN, kiddo.

Who on ESPN would be crazy to suggest Barkley was better than Duncan? I know ESPN sensationalizes a lot, but that's an insane notion. LOL

[LAClipsFan33]

Kareem...don't have to think about it. Man was even more ageless than Duncan

[jongib369]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHLOq22UFI
He made them look like fools :eek:

[Iceman#44]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
being the best and most consistent big man on both ends of the floor. the past few years, is not elite?

idgaf what ESPN says ... duncan >> dwight, love, lamarcus, griffin, etc.

youre salty as fukk that barkley isnt half the player duncan is...stop listening to ESPN, kiddo.


While Duncan is still a good big man, among the best, he has not been in the top 7 for MVP Voting in the last 7 years.
He scored 20.0 ppg or more for the last time during the 2006-07 season at 30 years old.
Last time he was in double figure in boards per game was in 2009-10 season at 33 years old.

[unbreakable]

While Duncan is still a good big man, among the best, he has not been in the top 7 for MVP Voting in the last 7 years.
He scored 20.0 ppg or more for the last time during the 2006-07 season at 30 years old.
Last time he was in double figure in boards per game was in 2009-10 season at 33 years old.

he plays 30 minutes a game... he just broke magics record for most double doubles in a game and has carried san antonio to 18 straight 50+win seasons..

duncan > kareem all day every day dont even think twice about it. kareem isnt half the defender duncan is.

[T_L_P]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHLOq22UFI

Watching this makes me appreciate how much smarter (and, quite frankly, better) NBA defenses have become.


The answer is Kareem though. Also, the guy who said Duncan hasn't been elite in years: you're an idiot. He's the oldest player to average 15+ and 10+ in a Finals, breaking his own record from last year.

[DonDadda59]

Kareem even at 38 the following year was all-NBA first team and top 5 in MVP voting. Duncan has not been an elite player in years. Kareem's longevity>>>>anyone else's. Kareem also was the team's #1 option through age 38 while Duncan long ago ceded way to Parker. Kareem also was the go-to guy in clutch situations.

:rolleyes:

He was first team all NBA and 2nd team defense (my personal pick for DPOY) just last season.

[Iceman#44]

Don't know how much you know about the eras in which Kareem played in but what do you think is the main cause for his RPG having such a big drop? I know pace/available rebounds is likely it along with the loss of athleticism but it's interesting to see how Duncan has stayed so consistent with his, even with less minutes. Take a look at his per 36

Well, i know that Wilt Chamberlain always blamed Kareem Abdul Jabbar for his lack of desire under the Boards in his later years. And i think that there is some truth in here.

Why in his later years Kareem was still a dominant offensive machine, after his 1980-81 season in which he averaged 10.3 boards per game at 33 years old, he basically give up about rebounding. He never reached again not even 9 boards per game, while still playing 32-35 minutes.
I always see this as a way to sacrifice something in his game to remain enough "fresh" on the offensive end to be able to score still 22-25 ppg.
Also, don't forget that Kareem led the league in rebounds per game just ONE time in 20 seasons.

[Roundball_Rock]

"Elite" in my book means being a top-tier player (i.e. a top 6-8 player). I use it interchangeably with "superstar." When is the last time Duncan was such a player?

Kareem was on another level than Duncan. This is just another example of how KAJ is underrated.


He's the oldest player to average 15+ and 10+ in a Finals

15/10=elite? :biggums:

Duncan is a very good player, their anchor and leader but he is no longer a top 7-8 player in the league.

Yeah, KAJ led the league in rebounding "only" once, but:


Rebounds Per Game
1969-70 NBA 14.5 (3)
1970-71 NBA 16.0 (4)
1971-72 NBA 16.6 (3)
1972-73 NBA 16.1 (4)
1973-74 NBA 14.5 (4)
1974-75 NBA 14.0 (5)
1975-76 NBA 16.9 (1)
1976-77 NBA 13.3 (2)
1977-78 NBA 12.9 (7)
1978-79 NBA 12.8 (3)
1979-80 NBA 10.8 (8)
1980-81 NBA 10.3 (7)

KAJ's scoring and rebounding improved in his prime in the playoffs. His rebounding jumped to 16 rpg in the playoffs and his scoring to 30 ppg.

[Iceman#44]

"Elite" in my book means being a top-tier player (i.e. a top 6-8 player). I use it interchangeably with "superstar." When is the last time Duncan was such a player?

Kareem was on another level than Duncan. This is just another example of how KAJ is underrated.



15/10=elite? :biggums:

Duncan is a very good player, their anchor and leader but he is no longer a top 7-8 player in the league.

Yeah, KAJ led the league in rebounding "only" once, but:



KAJ's scoring and rebounding improved in his prime in the playoffs. His rebounding jumped to 16 rpg in the playoffs and his scoring to 30 ppg.


i agree

[Draz]

That sky hook is so beautiful my god

[Lebron23]

1985 finals MVP

[LeBird]

It's easily Kareem. Heck, in this age of crap bigs Kareem could still be dropping 20ppg as a 40 year old.

[jongib369]

It's easily Kareem. Heck, in this age of crap bigs Kareem could still be dropping 20ppg as a 40 year old.
Not that you haven't seen it but since he could do this against Hakeem and Sampson he could easily get 50+ against some of the guys today, if he got the touches. Not all are as bad as some make them out to be though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CxNrW6Rc_o