Would OKC and Dallas have beat Miami too?

[BigBoss]

I think so.

OKC took San Antonio took 6 and beat them convincingly two times. For all the hype around San Antonio's dominance, OKC without a clear cut system and an injury to Ibaka challenged them. As did Dallas.

[Byobob]

Yes. No. Maybe. :lol :lol

[russwest0]

Nearly every team from the West in the playoffs would have.

Even the 8th seed in the West, the Grizzlies were only 4 wins behind Miami in the regular season and did this playing in a much tougher conference and with more injury problems than Miami had.

Basically every playoff team in the West would have been at worst the 2 seed above Miami if thrown in the East.

[navy]

Dallas hasnt beat Miami in 3 years.

The answer is no. Well, maybe OKC with Westbrook playing well. Although all they do is isolate. So maybe not. The Spurs had the right tools. Those other? Nah.

[Dresta]

OKC i doubt: their iso-based offense is what Miami's defense has least problems dealing with. Dallas most definitely not. SAS just didn't play well against Dallas, saying they could beat Miami because they took Dallas to 7 is like saying the 2008 Hawks could beat the 2008 Lakers because they took Boston to 7.

[Derka]

The Spurs went into the series with a very definite, very concrete offensive game plan that took advantage of Miami's defensive weaknesses; hence the the display we saw. Carlisle might have been able to work one up, but Brooks sure as shit would have just relied on his stars' talent to pull them through.

Dallas...maybe but most likely not, OKC...no unless the talent overload was just too much for Miami.

[Lebron23]

Last time Lebron played against Marion. He dropped 40 point on him. The Mavericks were 0-6 vs. Miami in the last 3 years.

[~primetime~]

Last time Lebron played against Marion. He dropped 40 point on him. The Mavericks were 0-6 vs. Miami in the last 3 years.
doesn't matter...it's all about how "hot" you are during the playoffs

everyone said "fck no!" to the idea of Dallas beating Miami in 2011 as well

[T_L_P]

The Suns and T-Wolves have a legit shot too. Not the Thunder (they don't matchup well), but every other Playoff team in the West.

Honestly, if it wasn't for the AC breaking down in game 1, the Finals would have been a sweep. Duncan and Manu suffered serious fatigue in that game, whereas LeBron and a near-prime Wade/Bosh were fresh as daises.

[russwest0]

okc would definitely be favored.

who would guard westbrook?
who would guard durant?
would bosh keep up with ibaka?
would miamis role players make up for their big 3 not being as good as okc's + not having homecourt?
would miami not get abused on the glass vs the best rebounding team in the league?

the WCF was basically the finals this year.

[Dresta]

doesn't matter...it's all about how "hot" you are during the playoffs

everyone said "fck no!" to the idea of Dallas beating Miami in 2011 as well
2011 Mavs were 10x the team the 2014 Mavs were. C'mon now.

[NumberSix]

Not a chance.

[Dresta]

okc would definitely be favored.

who would guard westbrook?
who would guard durant?
would bosh keep up with ibaka?
would miamis role players make up for their big 3 not being as good as okc's + not having homecourt?
would miami not get abused on the glass vs the best rebounding team in the league?

the WCF was basically the finals this year.
Miami would do just fine guarding Westbrook and Durant's low % isos. It's great ball-movement that destroys their defense, something OKC is completely devoid of. I know it is hard for you to understand this because basketball is a team game, and Miami play defense as a TEAM, constantly helping and trapping, which is much easier to do against OKC then against SAS.

[Purch]

Okc's take turn Isolating the ball and predictable offense would have gotten them eliminated in 5 games. The way you beat Miami is by making multiple passes to move around their over aggressive defense. Okc would have been even easier for them to beat than Brooklyn was IMO. The Predictability of that offense makes Miami's defense unstoppable And 95% of that is on Brooks.

The Thunder say they want to model their franchise like the spurs, but their gameplay is the antithesis to the spurs philosophy

[russwest0]

Miami would do just fine guarding Westbrook and Durant's low % isos. It's great ball-movement that destroys their defense, something OKC is completely devoid of. I know it is hard for you to understand this because basketball is a team game, and Miami play defense as a TEAM, constantly helping and trapping, which is much easier to do against OKC then against SAS.

sorry, this miami team just wasn't that good this year. all of this "they would have won" nonsense is based off of two years ago when Ibaka was averaging 9PPG and shooting 60% on free throws while james harden was choking and the refs weren't allowing teams to breathe on lebron.

a lineup of

westbrook
reggie
durant
ibaka
adams

would murder Miami. Reggie and Westbrook both were murdering Parker and Ginobli, imagine them vs Chalmers and Wade playing their lazy ass defense :oldlol:

Miami didn't do shit to stop Westbrook and Durant in the 2012 Finals when they were a much better defensive team so I don't want to hear that "they stop isos" nonsense. OKC this year is a better team on the glass, on defense, and on offense in this matchup.

[Haymaker]

Miami owns OKC's souls.

[russwest0]

Miami owns OKC's souls.

yes, this miami team would have "owned" OKC's souls this year when OKC was closing games with

russ
reggie
kd
serge
adams

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

matching this up against

chalmers
wade
lebron
bosh
anderson

okc wins out at almost every single position and is overall far better on defense and rebounding.

it also helps that okc actually got challenged before the finals while miami looked stunned that they actually had to play defense and couldn't get away with walking back on defense in the finals.

[navy]

Close out games?

All Westbrook and Durant do is chuck up shots at the end of games. The closing lineup is irrelevant.

Have you seen Westbrook's overtime numbers? 1-21 :biggums: I need to find Durants.

Unless you count that one time they let Reggie Jackson iso to close out the Grizzlies. :roll:

[SCdac]

Dallas would have a tough time just getting out of the west, let alone winning the Finals. OKC I think would have a good chance against Miami, but their offense is all Durant and Westbrook.

[Dresta]

sorry, this miami team just wasn't that good this year. all of this "they would have won" nonsense is based off of two years ago when Ibaka was averaging 9PPG and shooting 60% on free throws while james harden was choking and the refs weren't allowing teams to breathe on lebron.

a lineup of

westbrook
reggie
durant
ibaka
adams

would murder Miami. Reggie and Westbrook both were murdering Parker and Ginobli, imagine them vs Chalmers and Wade playing their lazy ass defense :oldlol:

Miami didn't do shit to stop Westbrook and Durant in the 2012 Finals when they were a much better defensive team so I don't want to hear that "they stop isos" nonsense. OKC this year is a better team on the glass, on defense, and on offense in this matchup.They won in 5 and shut down Harden. Durant made some tough shots and Westbrook put up 27 on 50TS% (hardly effective, Miami's defense would happily give him that). Once again you ignore the concept of team defense; Ginobili and Parker wouldn't have done shit to the Heat if all they'd done is drive to the basket and throw up wild shots like Westbrook does. And what if a game went to overtime? :roll: What was it? 1-21? That is shocking. What 3 point shooters are going to take advantage of Miami's scrambling defense exactly?

Reggie and Westbrook is a huge defensive mismatch as well. Wade would score on post-ups vs. those guys with ease. Lebron would abuse Durant in the post and play physical defense to move his stick figure away from the basket. It is a terrible matchup for OKC. Your claiming they would win is empty conjecture, with really no tangible basis to it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201402200OKC.html

Oh yeah OKC were gonna do some serious damage :bowdown: - who could possibly guard Westbrook? :lol

[~primetime~]

2011 Mavs were 10x the team the 2014 Mavs were. C'mon now.
I was making the point that everyone's perception can be wrong...literally no one thought the 2011 Mavs were going to win the Finals

Everyone thinks that the Mavs would lose to the Heat this year, but "everyone" is fully capable of being wrong about that.

[navy]

I was making the point that everyone's perception can be wrong...literally no one thought the 2011 Mavs were going to win the Finals

Everyone thinks that the Mavs would lose to the Heat this year, but "everyone" is fully capable of being wrong about that.
We didnt expect 17 ppg from Lebron. Outliers arent the norm.

[~primetime~]

We didnt expect 17 ppg from Lebron. Outliers arent the norm.
he got Stevensoned

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/LeBron+James+DeShawn+Stevenson+Dallas+Mavericks+et mgab1C2Fnl.jpg

[Solefade]

okc would definitely be favored.

who would guard westbrook?
who would guard durant?
would bosh keep up with ibaka?
would miamis role players make up for their big 3 not being as good as okc's + not having homecourt?
would miami not get abused on the glass vs the best rebounding team in the league?

the WCF was basically the finals this year.


these are the same questions ppl had in 2012 and they lost in 5 :roll:

[DMAVS41]

The current Mavs would not have won.

A healthy Thunder team? Yes...I think they would have.

[Cone]

Last time Lebron played against Marion. He dropped 40 point on him. The Mavericks were 0-6 vs. Miami in the last 3 years.

So?

Dallas lost like 12 straight to SAS and then took them to 7.

not saying dallas will win, but the post-season is different

[raprap]

Okc's take turn Isolating the ball and predictable offense would have gotten them eliminated in 5 games. The way you beat Miami is by making multiple passes to move around their over aggressive defense. Okc would have been even easier for them to beat than Brooklyn was IMO. The Predictability of that offense makes Miami's defense unstoppable And 95% of that is on Brooks.

The Thunder say they want to model their franchise like the spurs, but their gameplay is the antithesis to the spurs philosophy
this.

[iggy>]

doesn't matter...it's all about how "hot" you are during the playoffs

everyone said "fck no!" to the idea of Dallas beating Miami in 2011 as well
I say fck no to all of your posts. Mostly because you're a blind homer.

[Le Shaqtus]

OKC would have got their asses handed to them.

[All Net]

With how bad Wade and everyone else was I say okc beats them.

This isn't 2012. Miami role players were trash and they didn't defend.

[navy]

With how bad Wade and everyone else was I say okc beats them.

This isn't 2012. Miami role players were trash and they didn't defend.
Well how much credit are you giving the Spurs or was it the Heat just playing bad?

[Solefade]

With how bad Wade and everyone else was I say okc beats them.

This isn't 2012. Miami role players were trash and they didn't defend.


honestly spurs really just demoralized the heat with how well they played...against OKC, lebron has a better chance of carrying

[dc_chilling]

okc would definitely be favored.

who would guard westbrook?
who would guard durant?
would bosh keep up with ibaka?
would miamis role players make up for their big 3 not being as good as okc's + not having homecourt?
would miami not get abused on the glass vs the best rebounding team in the league?

the WCF was basically the finals this year.

Lebron owns Durants soul head to head.

Of the 13 times they have played each other, Lebron has won 10 of the games.

Somehow Durant is going to beat Lebron 4 times in a series when he has only ever beaten him 3 times in his entire career?

Sounds like wishful thinking.:pimp:

[AintNoSunshine]

okc would definitely be favored.

who would guard westbrook? He stops himself
who would guard durant?The GOAT Lebron?
would bosh keep up with ibaka?Westbrook and Durant never pass him the ball anyway
would miamis role players make up for their big 3 not being as good as okc's + not having homecourt?Lebron alone equal Westbrook and Durant
would miami not get abused on the glass vs the best rebounding team in the league?They would have gotten abused but so does every other series

the WCF was basically the finals this year.

Miami beat the shiit out of the Thunders much like how Spurs destroy them. Heat in 5. Durant cries.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Nearly every team from the West in the playoffs would have.

Even the 8th seed in the West, the Grizzlies were only 4 wins behind Miami in the regular season and did this playing in a much tougher conference and with more injury problems than Miami had.

Basically every playoff team in the West would have been at worst the 2 seed above Miami if thrown in the East.
Mavs took spurs to 7

OKC took them to 6

You saying Mavs would beat OKC? :facepalm

Matchups... how do they work?

[AintNoSunshine]

Lebron owns Durants soul head to head.

Of the 13 times they have played each other, Lebron has won 10 of the games.

Somehow Durant is going to beat Lebron 4 times in a series when he has only ever beaten him 3 times in his entire career?

Sounds like wishful thinking.:pimp:
:applause:

OKC plays right into Heats hand stylistically

[SillyRabbit]

Westbrook would destroy Miami, who's gonna stop him? Chalmers? Wade?

He'd average 30/10/8, and Durant would average 32/5/12.

[dunksby]

Miami was shit as a whole, OKC would have closed them out in 6, this Heat team didn't belong in the finals.

[deja vu]

According to ISH:

SA beats Miami, 4-1
SA beats Dallas, 4-3

Therefore, Dallas >>> Miami

[All Net]

Well how much credit are you giving the Spurs or was it the Heat just playing bad?
No spurs were great, they had so many blowouts. Miami role players were just poor though.

Lebron was letdown by the rest.

[Paul George 24]

I think so.

OKC took San Antonio took 6 and beat them convincingly two times. For all the hype around San Antonio's dominance, OKC without a clear cut system and an injury to Ibaka challenged them. As did Dallas.

heat will sweep okc,,and not even close

[deja vu]

Westbrook would destroy Miami, who's gonna stop him? Chalmers? Wade?

He'd average 30/10/8, and Durant would average 32/5/12.
Just like in 2012? :oldlol:

[russwest0]

Just like in 2012? :oldlol:

When Ibaka was a 9PPG player, a 60% FT shooter and the Heat had a much better supporting cast?

No more Mike Miller the Thunder Killer, Chris Andersen presents no problems for OKC, and OKC would murder the Heat on the glass this year.

Plus Reggie Jackson is likely to provide more than any non big 3 Heat player.

[Paul George 24]

When Ibaka was a 9PPG player, a 60% FT shooter and the Heat had a much better supporting cast?

No more Mike Miller the Thunder Killer, Chris Andersen presents no problems for OKC, and OKC would murder the Heat on the glass this year.

Plus Reggie Jackson is likely to provide more than any non big 3 Heat player.

lebron alone is enough to beat overratedkc :lol

[mistergreens]

Dallas? Give me a break. OKC? Maybe.

[Paul George 24]

Dallas? Give me a break. OKC? Maybe.

okc ??? no chance

[Carter_17]

Dallas wins heat in 6
Heat wins OKC in 5

[j3lademaster]

The best part about this thread is all the posters claiming Miami to be stacked are saying they would lose to Okc and/ or Dallas, while everyone saying how crap Miami is outside of Lebron are claiming Dallas and "stacked" Okc don't stand a chance. :lol