Sacramento Thinking of trading Isaiah Thomas

[EricGordon23]

Who wants him because he might be up for grabs?

What can sac fans tell me about him?

could he be a good fit for the pacers?

[SHABBA]

Better than Kyrie.

Not worth $10m a year tho :coleman:

[Johnny Jones]

Better than Kyrie.


People still actually beleive this?

[Real14]

knicks shud get him.

[hawksdogsbraves]

People still actually beleive this?

Thomas was better than Irving last year :confusedshrug:

Obviously nobody, (including the Kings) has a lot of faith in a guy who's 5'8 being the long term solution at PG, but he balled out last season.

[buddha]

he'd be great on a team like Chicago, much better than that scrub D-Rose.

[Johnny Jones]

Thomas was better than Irving last year :confusedshrug:

Obviously nobody, (including the Kings) has a lot of faith in a guy who's 5'8 being the long term solution at PG, but he balled out last season.
One guy has DMC and Gay to feed off of, the other has who? Varejao? Waiters?Bennett who cant even shoot 40%?

[JohnMax]

Hes similar to Patty Mills and Nate Robinson.

[Black and White]

Indiana need to pounce asap

[bigkingsfan]

Scoring pg are dime a dozen now.

[hawksdogsbraves]

One guy has DMC and Gay to feed off of, the other has who? Varejao? Waiters?Bennett who cant even shoot 40%?

I'm not saying Thomas is better than Irving, every GM in the league would much rather have Irving.

But the stats say Thomas was better last year :confusedshrug:

[DukeDelonte13]

I'm not saying Thomas is better than Irving, every GM in the league would much rather have Irving.

But the stats say Thomas was better last year :confusedshrug:

This is a prime example of why stats can be misleading.

[Cocaine80s]

Cole and Bosh for Cousins and Isiah

[bigkingsfan]

Cole and Bosh for Cousins and Isiah
Die

[hawksdogsbraves]

This is a prime example of why stats can be misleading.

I don't even think they're that misleading, the Kings want to trade him while his value is at its peak, but there's not really any interest for a young PG averaging 20/6.

I will say though, Thomas could be 6th man of the year for the next 5 years if he finds the right team.

If he gets paid $10mil/yr+ to be a starter though, your team is gonna have a bad time.

[andremiller07]

If this is true and Rudy Gay opts out best off season since they got Webber and company

[hawksdogsbraves]

Only Sacramento could get a young 20/10 big, a young 20ppg guard, a 20/5/5 wing in his prime, and still be so god awful that they need to blow the whole thing up.

[Killbot]

Die

With that username, you don't have to wait long.

[andremiller07]

Only Sacramento could get a young 20/10 big, a young 20ppg guard, a 20/5/5 wing in his prime, and still be so god awful that they need to blow the whole thing up.
Empty numbers and Cousins is the only one who actually impacts the game out of those 3.

Team looked exactly the same when Gay/Thomas were injured/not there when Cuz was out 0-12.

[EricGordon23]

Only Sacramento could get a young 20/10 big, a young 20ppg guard, a 20/5/5 wing in his prime, and still be so god awful that they need to blow the whole thing up.


Rudy gay isn't worth his contract I would want him gone too

[hawksdogsbraves]

Empty numbers and Cousins is the only one who actually impacts the game out of those 3.

Team looked exactly the same when Gay/Thomas were injured/not there when Cuz was out 0-12.

I totally agree, but if you told me you had a young team coming off a rebuild with those guys, and I didn't know their names but only their ages/stats, I'd think they were the second coming of OKC :oldlol:

[andremiller07]

I totally agree, but if you told me you had a young team coming off a rebuild with those guys, and I didn't know their names but only their ages/stats, I'd think they were the second coming of OKC :oldlol:
Larry Sanders + Brandon Knight for Isaiah Thomas (sign and trade)+8th pick + Carl Landry useless contract.

I would do that Kings become way better and than if Rudy Gay opts out you got decent money to play with to get a SF who actually helps you win.

[EricGordon23]

Larry Sanders + Brandon Knight for Isaiah Thomas (sign and trade)+8th pick + Carl Landry useless contract.

I would do that Kings become way better and than if Rudy Gay opts out you got decent money to play with to get a SF who actually helps you win.

I like the trade but I don't know if they can handle sanders attitude and Cousins attitude in the locker room

[andremiller07]

I like the trade but I don't know if they can handle sanders attitude and Cousins attitude in the locker room
As long as he's protecting the paint no one cares imo plus I'm also certain they are good friends.

[Levity]

Larry Sanders + Brandon Knight for Isaiah Thomas (sign and trade)+8th pick + Carl Landry useless contract.

I would do that Kings become way better and than if Rudy Gay opts out you got decent money to play with to get a SF who actually helps you win.

yes please. would be great to see. if mclemore can start hitting his shot consistently, and they sign a sf like hayward who can share play making duties with knight (whats the cap situation like anyway?), then a .500 season or greater, is not farfetched at all

knight
mclemore
hayward
cousins
sanders

very cohesive.

[andremiller07]

yes please. would be great to see. if mclemore can start hitting his shot consistently, and they sign a sf like hayward who can share play making duties with knight (whats the cap situation like anyway?), then a .500 season or greater, is not farfetched at all

knight
mclemore
hayward
cousins
sanders

very cohesive.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Parsons is a FA as well right? If Hayward is not avaliable.

[Levity]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Parsons is a FA as well right? If Hayward is not avaliable.

totally slipped my mind. yeah, id love to see parsons as well. good defender, capable rebounder, reliable scorer and a decent playmaker. hed be like an extremely rich mans travis outlaw.

[MC Gusto]

How do you trade a player who isn't under contract? :confusedshrug:

[andremiller07]

How do you trade a player who isn't under contract? :confusedshrug:
I'm pretty sure they mean sign and trade cause he's a restricted free agent right?

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm not saying Thomas is better than Irving, every GM in the league would much rather have Irving.

But the stats say Thomas was better last year :confusedshrug:
That's why you don't base player comparisons on statistics alone. Irving was the focus of every defense in the league every game he played in for the Cavs. Thomas was an afterthought.

And, even with all of that, their stats were incredibly close.

Irving - 21 points (43/36/86), 6.1 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 1.5 steals, 2.7 turnovers

Thomas - 21 points (45/35/85), 6.3 assists, 2.9 rebounds, 1.3 steals, 3.0 turnovers


Same ppg on virtually the same efficiency. Irving had a slightly better assist/turnover ratio, with slightly more steals and rebounds.

And, the Cavs won 33 games with Irving as undoubtedly the best player on the team, while the Kings won 28 games with Thomas as the clear second fiddle... arguably third fiddle after the Gay signing. :confusedshrug:

[andremiller07]

That's why you don't base player comparisons on statistics alone. Irving was the focus of every defense in the league every game he played in for the Cavs. Thomas was an afterthought.

And, even with all of that, their stats were incredibly close.

Irving - 21 points (43/36/86), 6.1 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 1.5 steals, 2.7 turnovers

Thomas - 21 points (45/35/85), 6.3 assists, 2.9 rebounds, 1.3 steals, 3.0 turnovers


Same ppg on virtually the same efficiency. Irving had a slightly better assist/turnover ratio, with slightly more steals and rebounds.

And, the Cavs won 33 games with Irving as undoubtedly the best player on the team, while the Kings won 28 games with Thomas as the clear second fiddle... arguably third fiddle after the Gay signing. :confusedshrug:
Not saying IT is better but to counter the 33 games to 28 games one guy plays in the East and the other plays in the West and IT has to face way better PG's more often while the Eastern PGs with Rose's/Rondo's injury and Deron sucking is pretty average atm, the average PG in the West is a near elite PG in the East.

Wall/Lowry/Irving/Jeff Teague /MCw/Kemba Walker were the top PGs in the East

compared to

Paul/Parker/Westbrook/Conley/Curry/Dragic/Bledose/Lillard and there's probably more the difference in night to night competition is massive.

[RedBlackAttack]

Not saying IT is better but to counter the 33 games to 28 games one guy plays in the East and the other plays in the West and IT has to face way better PG's more often while the Eastern PGs with Rose's/Rondo's injury and Deron sucking is pretty average atm, the average PG in the West is a near elite PG in the East.

Wall/Lowry/Irving/Jeff Teague /MCw/Kemba Walker were the top PGs in the East

compared to

Paul/Parker/Westbrook/Conley/Curry/Dragic/Bledose/Lillard and there's probably more the difference in night to night competition is massive.
That was the obvious counter, but I'd point out that -- I believe -- the Cavs did better against Western Conference teams this past year than they did vs. the East. Also, Kyrie has always pretty much destroyed Rondo each time they've played.

He's also had a lot of success against Westbrook.

Meanwhile, he sometimes struggles against Teague and Lowry. Sometimes matchups aren't as obvious as they appear on paper.

Also, Irving was 21 while Thomas was 24 this past season. Kyrie has gone from underrated initially, to overrated after year two, to underrated again. He's still one of the very best talents in the league under 24.

[kshutts1]

Larry Sanders + Brandon Knight for Isaiah Thomas (sign and trade)+8th pick + Carl Landry useless contract.

I would do that Kings become way better and than if Rudy Gay opts out you got decent money to play with to get a SF who actually helps you win.
I could be wrong, but I"m pretty sure a team can't S&T a player if another player (Landry) is included in the deal.

[Miles and Miles]

We only have 3 good players on this team. None are great. I was hoping to add to those rather than get rid of them. Looks like we might go into the season with just 1 good player now. No way that you can trade IT and get value for him.

[hawksdogsbraves]

That's why you don't base player comparisons on statistics alone. Irving was the focus of every defense in the league every game he played in for the Cavs. Thomas was an afterthought.

And, even with all of that, their stats were incredibly close.

Irving - 21 points (43/36/86), 6.1 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 1.5 steals, 2.7 turnovers

Thomas - 21 points (45/35/85), 6.3 assists, 2.9 rebounds, 1.3 steals, 3.0 turnovers


Same ppg on virtually the same efficiency. Irving had a slightly better assist/turnover ratio, with slightly more steals and rebounds.

And, the Cavs won 33 games with Irving as undoubtedly the best player on the team, while the Kings won 28 games with Thomas as the clear second fiddle... arguably third fiddle after the Gay signing. :confusedshrug:

Hey I'm not saying Thomas is better than Irving, and I certainly don't think that.

If we're just looking at the stats it appears way closer than it really is. There's a reason Sac is shopping their 20/6 pg and Cleveland is looking to max theirs out.

[irondarts]

Kings reportedly offered Isaiah Thomas and the 8th Pick to the Suns for Eric Bledsoe. Suns rejected the offer.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

There's a reason Sac is shopping their 20/6 pg and Cleveland is looking to max theirs out.
b/c new Kings GM D'Alessandro is an idiot. All of his previous trades have proven to be "failures" (told you all! I hated each trade the day they made them).

Although, tbh, in this case, it may be the best move, especially if by some miracle they land Bledsoe.

I love Isaiah. A lot. But his idea of running an offense is just driving to the lane, stopping, and either 1. shooting a short jumper or 2. spinning around and passing out to someone who's open. That does not mesh well w/ someone like Cousins who needs to play in the post or do pick n pops.

I've always said Isaiah needs to be a bench player, at least for the Kings. When they had Vasquez starting at PG, their offense actually looked like a real offense. They lost like 9 games by 4 points in the first 20 games of the season and genius D'Alessandro decides to blow up the team... :facepalm

The best thing that can happen to the Kings is if they get a true PG (even if it means losing Isaiah), Gay opts out, and they land Lance Stephenson. Hell, and get a big who complements Cousins offensively rather than just duplicates his offensive game.

Cousins, Lance, Bledsoe (though guess won't happen) would be a sick trio to build around. Throw in REvans and Acy as goons, McLemore to hopefully develop quickly, and McCallum Jr as a solid backup, and you got a solid team w/ a REAL identity.

[alec613]

Will he still be good , Can the Heat get him?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Will he still be good , Can the Heat get him?
He'd fit well on the Heat, imo.

But yeah, looks like most likely, Kings will trade him if they can't match an offer... possibly walk for nothing? (can a team do a S&T of a player who'll put them over the cap? Even if he's leaving?)

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/20/with-salary-cap-pressing-on-them-might-kings-let-isaiah-thomas-walk/