Prime Shaq + Lebron... how many rings?

[Jameerthefear]

Lebron is a better passer, rebounder, defender, and scorer than Kobe. He also won't chase him off the team. How many rings?

[J Shuttlesworth]

7 total, 3 FMVPs for Shaq, 4 for LeBron

Kobe would 0 rings

[DFish24]

Shaq becomes another victim of "Lebron Ball". 0 Titles.

[Jameerthefear]

Depends on the rest of his roster.. who's at PG/SG/and PF? and which era/conference is he playing in?
Basically switch Kobe with LBJ.

[VIntageNOvel]

1 ring max

he clog the paint, doesnt spread the floor
and would do 2011 so shaq doesnt win fmvp,
but shaq wouldnt defer like wade,
so it would be ugly

[Fudge]

Honestly, probably 3 or even less.

[Rocketswin2013]

If Shaq got a young LeBron(21 y/o)?


Shaq backpacks LeBron from '00-'03. LeBron backpacks Shaq from '03-07-ish


7 titles. With the right cast.



Realistically around 5 rings. Give or take.

[TheCorporation]

Wow, Shaq and Kobe played for 8 seasons together, so that would mean Shaq + LBJ together for 8 years...Good lord.

I'm thinking 6 Championships, 3 Finals MVPs a piece.

RIP to the league

[MVBallin2K]

It wouldn't matter up until 2009-2010 when Shaq began to truly deteriorate to being nothing more than a roleplayer and literally had nothing left. You can argue before that but that was when he got downright embarrassing. Which is when Lebron teamed with him and couldn't win.

The reason I say it wouldn't matter is because if Shaq is the exact same player, then Lebron shouldn't get credit for the Finals MVPs that team would get either. Shaq was one of the most dominant forces in the NBA during his prime, which is why Kobe gets discredited no matter the stats he put up at that time. So in terms of rings, I say one or two at best because Vintage is right. Shaq wouldn't take a sidekick role and Lebron isn't going to take the sidekick role either, so you're gonna have issues as to who's team it is.

[riseagainst]

0 rings. Lebron would purposely sabotage the finals every year if Shaq outplays him, which would be every year until about 2008.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

5 plus, I can see Lebron playing more pointguard if this was the case.
**** that would've been awesome.

[Magic 32]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0528/la_g_kbryant2_sy_300.jpg

http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/LeBron-James-Crying.gif

[Black and White]

Shaq being a 3-point shooter in the LeBron system??? 0 rings.

[Real14]

0 just like tha magic:applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

It wouldn't matter up until 2009-2010 when Shaq began to truly deteriorate to being nothing more than a roleplayer and literally had nothing left. You can argue before that but that was when he got downright embarrassing. Which is when Lebron teamed with him and couldn't win.

The reason I say it wouldn't matter is because if Shaq is the exact same player, then Lebron shouldn't get credit for the Finals MVPs that team would get either. Shaq was one of the most dominant forces in the NBA during his prime, which is why Kobe gets discredited no matter the stats he put up at that time. So in terms of rings, I say one or two at best because Vintage is right. Shaq wouldn't take a sidekick role and Lebron isn't going to take the sidekick role either, so you're gonna have issues as to who's team it is.
LeBron was young and clearly not on Shaqs level at his age. He's smart, he'd let Shaq be the guy. But once he hits like, 23(LeBron's prime) and Shaq had already regressed by then(2003). It would be his team. Shaq got carried by Dwade. He'd let LeBron do it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bran stans favorite game

Hypotheticals :applause: :applause:

[buddha]

4 titles, Shaq with 4 FMVP, LeBran happy to be the bitch so Shaq retires in LA. Bran never averages above 25 ppg in the finals while Shaq averages 30+, after Shaq retires, LeBran never returns to the finals because he can't compete in the west as the #1.

Nobody considers LeBran in the top 10, maybe top 20 because of the 4 rings and stat padded stats.

[Black and White]

Bran stans favorite game

Hypotheticals :applause: :applause:

In their hypothetical dream world: 8 rings, 8 MVPs, better than Jordan


Reality: 2/5

[Magic 32]

Kobe's game was tailor-made for Shaq.

Clutch, jumpshots, defense, road warrior.

Just a perfect fit.

[zoom17]

more than the kobe+ shaq combo.

[Jameerthefear]

Kobe's game was tailor-made for Shaq.

Clutch, jumpshots, defense, road warrior.

Just a perfect fit.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

shaq can barely make freethrows you want him to shoot 3s all game?

:oldlol:

[Rocketswin2013]

Shaq always let Kobe shoot a ton more than him.



What's crazy though, is that LeBron was an elite 2nd option at worst at age 19. They could have slammed the league from '99-'06

[zoom17]

shaq can barely make freethrows you want him to shoot 3s all game?

:oldlol:

how dumb can you be:biggums:

[Boarder Patrol]

Probably 4, maybe 5 but I doubt Shaq stays motivated and in-shape that long.

[riseagainst]

how dumb can you be:biggums:

Kobe > lebron
5/7 > 2/5

[Real14]

Kobe > lebron
5/7 > 2/5
:applause:

[zoom17]

Kobe > lebron
5/7 > 2/5

typical kobe stan response even kobe disagrees with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d7wTqOIryk

[riseagainst]

typical kobe stan response even kobe disagrees with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d7wTqOIryk

except i'm not a kobe stan. what a typical lebron stan response. fail.
:oldlol:

[Magic 32]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.xxivk.net/news/files/images/2012/08/kobe-shaq-2001.jpg

and of course...


http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/LeBron-James-Crying.gif

[zoom17]

except i'm not a kobe stan. what a typical lebron stan response. fail.
:oldlol:

Just like the typical ring count you always bring up even though both Lebron and kobe have 2FMVP.

[riseagainst]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=2000&year_max=2004&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=LAL&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=A&game_result=&is_starter=Y&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

and of course...


http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/LeBron-James-Crying.gif

:biggums:

first 50 are all kobe.

:bowdown:

[Rocketswin2013]

So it's confirmed they win at least 5. :cheers:

[9erempiree]

None.

They would have to play the Spurs and Lebron is not the type of player that plays in the triangle.

Also, Kobe won with Shaq. Lebron had Shaq on his team.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Just like the typical ring count you always bring up even though both Lebron and kobe have 2FMVP.


So does kareem.

Guess brans equal with him too right?

[VIntageNOvel]

So it's confirmed they win at least 5. :cheers:


is rocketwin2013:

1. deep down bran's stan disguised as rocket fans?
or
2. super butthurt rocket fans because lakers fans mocked em (and howard) hard after the first round lost ala jameer?
or
3. jameer's alt

??

[zoom17]

So does kareem.

Guess brans equal with him too right?

Kareem actually has more MVPS then kobe though:bowdown:

[TheReal Kendall]

None.

They would have to play the Spurs and Lebron is not the type of player that plays in the triangle.

Also, Kobe won with Shaq. Lebron had Shaq on his team.

This the most important factor that people are looking over.


Can Lebron play within the triangle offense???

[VIntageNOvel]

of course in this hypothetical game,
you just need to add shaq average + young lebron average
damn those number, must be 8 peat :facepalm

the so called great playmaker cant even facilitate/maximize bosh potential, turn him into spot up shooter, but can live with shaq in the paint:lol

[DonDadda59]

Not enough help for Bron. Throw in prime Chris Webber and we're talking one, maybe 2 championships before he starts looking for an even more stacked team.

[JellyBean]

A lot depends on what they have around them. Will they have role players who understand their roles? If they have the right pieces around them; coach and players, a decade of dominance for a prime Shaq and LeBron.

[9erempiree]

These two were just beasts together.

Even Lebron and the big 3 can't score almost 60% of their team's points and these were just 2 guys.

http://s7.postimg.org/nja71ptfv/kobe.png

[TheMilkyBarKid]

None.

They would have to play the Spurs and Lebron is not the type of player that plays in the triangle.

Also, Kobe won with Shaq. Lebron had Shaq on his team.
Did Cleveland Shaq have the same impact retard?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kareem actually has more MVPS then kobe though:bowdown:

Yup back when the award was 100% legit & voted on by the players instead of the media

[nathanjizzle]

maybe 3 if they are lucky. really though, whos goign to step up and take leadership? centers, no matter how legendary they are, cant take offensive control of the game like SG's and PGs. Lebron doesnt have the will to take offensive control of the game, as we witnessed his entire ****ing career. so the most they win is 3. but i would guess they win 2.

shaq always needed an offensive minded SG to win the chip. he even played with lebron and didnt win a chip. there you go.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe led the entire playoffs in 4th quarter scoring in 01 & 02

[9erempiree]

Kobe led the entire playoffs in 4th quarter scoring in 01 & 02

Lebron is not capable of that.

Zilch rings.

[Black and White]

This the most important factor that people are looking over.


Can Lebron play within the triangle offense???

No, I don't think he can play within the triangle, hes a great passer, so that helps, but I don't feel that hes the type of player you want in the triangle, as it won't use his strengths.

[stalkerforlife]

Bron's not better than Kobe, no matter how much you stans want it to be true. It simply isn't.

[pegasus]

They would have severely underperformed in the playoffs. I'm talking like 0 finals appearances if they played in the West.

[Rodmantheman]

Shaq+ Lebron combo would dominate so many games the 4th quarter wouldn't matter.

[Warfan]

IMO, from 96-07 (so 03-14 bran) I could see them winning around 5 or 6 times with bran getting 2 or 3 FMVPs...

[PJR]

Yeah, LeBron wouldn't play well in the triangle at all. Because forwards who pass well (Pippen) don't fit in the triangle at all.

Smh.

[TheReal Kendall]

Yeah, LeBron wouldn't play well in the triangle at all. Because forwards who pass well (Pippen) don't fit in the triangle at all.

Smh.

I'm talking bout from a scoring point of view.

Pippen had MJ. If you replace Kobe with Lebron then who's gonna produce Kobe's scoring output.

Lebron's jumper isn't better than Kobe's and he's not a better scorer than Kobe no matter how much you hate the guy Kobe is just better than Lebron on the offensive end

[Killbot]

I'm talking bout from a scoring point of view.

Pippen had MJ. If you replace Kobe with Lebron then who's gonna produce Kobe's scoring output.

Lebron's jumper isn't better than Kobe's and he's not a better scorer than Kobe no matter how much you hate the guy Kobe is just better than Lebron on the offensive end
Lebron's efficiency speaks for itself. He doesn't need a lot of shots to get his points. Plus more shot opportunities will go to Shaq so that means more foul trouble for the opposing team, especially with Lebron's excellent passing.

[PJR]

If you replace Kobe with Lebron then who's gonna produce Kobe's scoring output.


LeBron only has the third highest career scoring average......ever.

Lol Jesus Christ.

[dubeta]

LeBron only has the third highest career scoring average......ever.

Lol Jesus Christ.

LMAO this is true. When will Kobe stans realize LeBron is actually better than Kobe at Kobe's best skill (scoring)

27.5 ppg on 50% shooting > 25.5 ppg on 45%

Kobe is a noticeably worse scorer than LeBron, regular season and playoffs

Theres nothing on the bball court than LeBron doesnt do better than Kobe

[BigBoss]

1 ring in 2001.

They dont beat the Blazers in 2000 or Sacramento in 2002 without Kobe. Those games required an alpha

Op was a beta toddler then

[Droid101]

Negative a millions billions.

[deja vu]

LeBron at the same age I'm guessing?

1996-97 - Championship
1997-98 - Championship
1998-99 - Championship
1999-00 - Championship
2000-01 - Championship
2001-02 - Championship
2002-03 - Championship
2003-04 - Championship


8 IMO.
They don't beat the Bulls and the Spurs in the 90s.

Especially if it's an 18-20 year old LeBron.

[LeBird]

Theres nothing on the bball court than LeBron doesnt do better than Kobe

Free throws, but that's it. :lol

They probably 6 peat at some stage.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Is this counting the fact that Shaq got lazy as fk?

[Lord Bean]

I'd say around 1 ring. There'd be no one to carry the team in the clutch like Kobe did with those teams.

[TheCorporation]

I'm talking bout from a scoring point of view.

Pippen had MJ. If you replace Kobe with Lebron then who's gonna produce Kobe's scoring output.

Lebron's jumper isn't better than Kobe's and he's not a better scorer than Kobe no matter how much you hate the guy Kobe is just better than Lebron on the offensive end

Ready to be ethered?

:lol Here it comes.

In Kobe's last 4 playoff runs with Shaq he averaged 23 FGA per game. In 2009 when LBJ averaged his most FGA per game (22.3) his stat line was:

35-9-7 on 51%

Kobe's best during his last 4 playoff runs? In 2003 he averaged 26.4 FGA :roll: :roll: :roll: His stat line was:

32-5-5 on 43%

We done here? lol

[Kvnzhangyay]

I'd say around 1 ring. There'd be no one to carry the team in the clutch like Kobe did with those teams.

Only problem is Brans more clutch than Kobe

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Ready to be ethered?

:lol Here it comes.

In Kobe's last 4 playoff runs with Shaq he averaged 23 FGA per game. In 2009 when LBJ averaged his most FGA per game (22.3) his stat line was:

35-9-7 on 51%

Kobe's best during his last 4 playoff runs? In 2003 he averaged 26.4 FGA :roll: :roll: :roll: His stat line was:

32-5-5 on 43%

We done here? lol
:applause: :applause:
TheRealKendall, wherever you are you need to SIT THE **** DOWN!