Using very common logic......What separates Kobe from Pippen?

[Rocketswin2013]

Stats? Kobe was a stat padder. Stats don't matter. Eye test>>>>>>

That PIPPEN DEFENSIVE IMPACT. :bowdown: My eyes love him.


MVP's? Stupid media award. Next.


Rings? 6/6 > 5/7 Next.

FMVP's? LOL!!!!!!! Kobe and LeBron are equal in those. Kobe is just so much better than LeBron. That's all you need to know about the award. Next.

All-star votes? :roll: Didn't a guy who didn't even play get voted? Next.

All-NBA? :rolleyes: Once again, stupid media award. Harden made a first team. Just insanity.


Until proven otherwise, Pippen > Kobe


Have a nice night ISH. :cheers:

[Black and White]

Are you really a Rockets fan or just a LeBron stan alt?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Oh he mad doe

[imdaman99]

Pippen benched himself at the end of a playoff game because he was pissed that a play was drawn up for someone else.

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP exposing the logical fallacies that the Kobe stanbase uses :applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

OP exposing the logical fallacies that the Kobe stanbase uses :applause:
:cheers: They need to realize how insanely stupid they are for their logic.

[knicksman]

how does it feel to be 1 of the lowest IQ on this board OP?

[Killbot]

In before rapist post.

[J Shuttlesworth]

:cheers: They need to realize how insanely stupid they are for their logic.
It's funny because I just saw a video of Kobe basically refuting everything Kobe stans have been saying about LeBron lately :roll:

[Ne 1]

When Kobe matured later in the 2000-2001 season and postseason, from that point on he was on a different level and as great as Scottie was, better than he ever was. (Prime Pippen> 2000 Kobe though) Kobe produced and took over games with his scoring at a level Pippen couldn't. Kobe is also more clutch. Scottie was the better defensive player and rebounder (although Kobe was no slouch here) and both ran their team's offense and were the closest things they had to a point guard, though Pippen had more of that mentality.

[PJR]

how does it feel to be 1 of the lowest IQ on this board OP?

Lol the irony of this post.

[jstern]

Interesting. Using Kobe stan Kobe logic Scottie Pippen > Kobe. Especially since side kick rings are = to being the man rings. And Scottie never lost in the Finals, and Kobe stans this week have been spreading the importance of having a good finals percentage. Losing in the Finals is really bad according to them and Scottie is undefeated in the Finals, while Kobe has lost twice. Pippen > Kobe.

[PickernRoller]

2/5

[riseagainst]

kobe and pippen actually have something in common, they are both better than lebron james.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Interesting. Using Kobe stan Kobe logic Scottie Pippen > Kobe. Especially since side kick rings are = to being the man rings. And Scottie never lost in the Finals, and Kobe stans this week have been spreading the importance of having a good finals percentage. Losing in the Finals is really bad according to them and Scottie is undefeated in the Finals, while Kobe has lost twice. Pippen > Kobe.
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[VIntageNOvel]

kobe and pippen actually have something in common, they are both better than lebron james.


this:applause:

pippen was twice the defender lebron is
less statpadding,
more rings :applause:

[NumberSix]

Are you really a Rockets fan or just a LeBron stan alt?
You know Pippen played for the Rockets, right?

[TheBigVeto]

It's defense.
Pippen is a much better defensive player than Kobe.
With regards to offensive ability they are equal, it's just that Pippen didn't take as many shot.

[stalkerforlife]

kobe and pippen actually have something in common, they are both better than lebron james.

Actually, I agree.

OP is in full meltdown mode.

[97 bulls]

When Kobe matured later in the 2000-2001 season and postseason, from that point on he was on a different level and as great as Scottie was, better than he ever was. (Prime Pippen> 2000 Kobe though) Kobe produced and took over games with his scoring at a level Pippen couldn't. Kobe is also more clutch. Scottie was the better defensive player and rebounder (although Kobe was no slouch here) and both ran their team's offense and were the closest things they had to a point guard, though Pippen had more of that mentality.
I don't understand this logic. Why make this comparison and acknowledge all of Kobes strengths and even go so far to say that the things Pippen excels in, Bryant isnt a slouch, but not acknowledge that Pippen was no slouch on offense as well.

I also disagree that Bryant was "more clutch". Hes had bigger offensive games, but I can name just as many memorable games Pippen has "taken over" if not more. The difference is that Pippens version of "taking over games" varies.

In my opinion, the only thing that seperates Bryants career from Pips, is the MVP.

[Ne 1]

Interesting. Using Kobe stan Kobe logic Scottie Pippen > Kobe. Especially since side kick rings are = to being the man rings. And Scottie never lost in the Finals, and Kobe stans this week have been spreading the importance of having a good finals percentage. Losing in the Finals is really bad according to them and Scottie is undefeated in the Finals, while Kobe has lost twice. Pippen > Kobe.
Except Kobe's role on the 2001 team and 2002 team was much closer to that of a number 1 option than Pippen's.

[J Shuttlesworth]

In my opinion, the only thing that seperates Bryants career from Pips, is the MVP.
But Kobe stans think that MVP is a meaningless regular season award, so you can ignore that one anyway

[97 bulls]

Except Kobe's role on the 2001 team and 2002 team was much closer to that of a number 1 option than Pippen's.
That doesn't make him more impactful.

[dubeta]

Kobe + Jordan = 0 rings (Kobe would be too much of a whiny b1tch to play with Jordan)

Pippen + Jordan = 6/6 rings

Pippen > Kobe

Also, Pippen is a better passer, defender, rebounder

Kobe is better at taking more shots and being less efficient

Pippen> Kobe

Deal with it

[Black and White]

You know Pippen played for the Rockets, right?

Yea, but thats not what I'm asking, his posting style is similar to some of the LeBron stans here......

[SpaceJammeR]

perfect logic. im using the eye test every time now. pippen knows how to win, kobe only chucks. i mean doesn't he have the most missed fg or something. :roll: :roll:

[Rooster]

I like Pippen but you have to use hypotheticals to compare him to Kobe. The reality is Kobe led his teams to championships.

[PsychoBe]

so i guess pippen is better than magic, bird, bran, duncan, and hakeem too right? :oldlol:

thread backfire

[Ne 1]

That doesn't make him more impactful.
Well Kobe was the consensus 2nd best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Him and Shaq were nearly neck-and-neck. Pippen I'd say was a top 5 player for about 5-6 years though. ('92-'97) As for your other reply, I don't necessarily disagree with you, I don't feel like the gap between great players is as astronomical as some people make it out to be and I just feel like this whole "side-kick" talk is nonsense and Kobe Bryant is Exhibit A to support this. He was a top 10 player in 2000 and a top 2-3 player in 2001 and 2002 yet his first 3 rings don't "count" just because he was playing with a superior player at the time? Nobody seems to care that Magic won his first few rings with a superior player. And now we have Westbrook/Durant who are making this whole "side-kick/the man" theory seem even more irrelevant. This thread was made by a LeBron stan using Pippen to disparage Kobe to support his "side-kick rings" agenda posting as if that's an insult.

[russwest0]

OP is literally the dumbest poster here.

[GimmeThat]

it's not common logic but the Robert Horry logic of course

in which, Sun Yue > Yao Ming

not that that's news to anyone.


Edit - I had to leave out the first "Chinese" player to won a ring. because the guy is Mongolian and I thought avoiding political agendas in a common logic thread was the best court of action.

[97 bulls]

Well Kobe was the consensus 2nd best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Him and Shaq were nearly neck-and-neck. Pippen I'd say was a top 5 player for about 4-5 years though. ('92-'97) As for your other reply, I don't necessarily disagree with you, I don't feel like the gap between great players is as astronomical as some people make it out to be and I just feel like this whole "side-kick" talk is nonsense and Kobe Bryant is Exhibit A to support this. He was a top 10 player in 2000 and a top 2-3 player in 2001 and 2002 yet his first 3 rings don't "count" just because he was playing with a superior player at the time? Nobody seems to care that Magic won his first few rings with a superior player. And now we have Westbrook/Durant who are making this whole "side-kick/the man" theory seem even more irrelevant. This thread was made by a LeBron stan using Pippen to disparage Kobe to support his "side-kick rings" agenda posting as if that's an insult.
You're right. And truthfully, I think calling anyone who had a role as important as Bryants and Pippens a "sidekick" is an insult to both players. Because as great as Shaq and Jordan were, they didn't win without the them.

[Rooster]

You're right. And truthfully, I think calling anyone who had a role as important as Bryants and Pippens a "sidekick" is an insult to both players. Because as great as Shaq and Jordan were, they didn't win without the them.

Kobe won without Shaq, that's the difference.

[Keno]

op's right. kobe stan logic has been exposed.

[97 bulls]

Kobe won without Shaq, that's the difference.
That makes no sense. Kobe won without Shaq, but he still needed talented players to win with. Why didn't he win in 05, 6, and 7?.

[Lord Bean]

The difference between Kobe and Pippen is that Kobe is greater than Lebron, while Pippen isn't. Lebron is a rich man's Pippen, while Kobe is just a clearly better player.

[SpaceJammeR]

The difference between Kobe and Pippen is that Kobe is greater than Lebron, while Pippen isn't. Lebron is a rich man's Pippen, while Kobe is just a clearly better player.


when i see stats the eye test shows me that bron>kobe and pippen by a huge margin. when i watch games the eye test shows me that bron & pippen>kobe

[Lord Bean]

when i see stats the eye test shows me that bron>kobe and pippen by a huge margin. when i watch games the eye test shows me that bron & pippen>kobe
I'm not entirely sure of the medical link between sexually transmitted diseases and mental retardation, but you should play it safe and start making some calls to all the ladies you've bedded.

[MagnumT/A]

I think Pip was the real MVP of 93-94, even though Hakeem was awesome.

[Bandito]

Stats? Kobe was a stat padder. Stats don't matter. Eye test>>>>>>

That PIPPEN DEFENSIVE IMPACT. :bowdown: My eyes love him.


MVP's? Stupid media award. Next.


Rings? 6/6 > 5/7 Next.

FMVP's? LOL!!!!!!! Kobe and LeBron are equal in those. Kobe is just so much better than LeBron. That's all you need to know about the award. Next.

All-star votes? :roll: Didn't a guy who didn't even play get voted? Next.

All-NBA? :rolleyes: Once again, stupid media award. Harden made a first team. Just insanity.


Until proven otherwise, Pippen > Kobe


Have a nice night ISH. :cheers:
But Lebron a statpadder too... Is Pippen > Lebrick?

[Ne 1]

Stats? Kobe was a stat padder. Stats don't matter. Eye test>>>>>>
Stats do matter, but only within proper context. Stats are only an indicator of what happened, they hardly tell the whole story. It's not like baseball. Basketball has far too many variables in it to adequately be expressed through statistics, especially the ones in a box score.
This is what people mean when people talk about LeBron stat padding/putting up empty stats: - Instead of leaking out for fastbreak, he swoops in to steal rebs from his big
- refusal to take buzzer deeper than 25 feet to protect his individual efficiency
- hogging when game is out of reach
- hogging against the bench unit of the opposing team
-passing over and over and over to get the assist for a triple double
- compromising fast-break opportunities just to intercept a rebound that his teammate was already in a position to grab.

I lost count of all the times I've seen LeBron fly in to steal an easy board that his big could've gotten. It got so bad in Cleveland that guys like Varejo and Big Z would simply clear out for James to get the rebound. Also it annoys me when guys play their FG%....Who gives a shit, as the best player there are certain shots you have to take.. James is the king of deferring especially when he see's a few of his shots not go down. No matter how many shots you miss as the best player you dont pass up on makeable looks at the rim, or opportunities to score for the sake of saving you efficiency. Nobody gives a shit about efficiency, we dont want the best player on our team playing like a coward because he's afraid he'll miss another shot and lower his FG%. What good is efficiency in a losing effort?..... Efficiency is not worth your best player taking his foot off the gas and not leaving it all on the floor....efficiency only matters if you've taken the shots you should be taking as the best player. It doesnt mean a thing if you passed up good looks or played tentatively and deferred a lot.

[Ne 1]

LeBron has admitted himself he likes to pad his stats, during the 2013 season he said he even has competition with Wade about their individual FG%.

He almost never takes bailout shots, he just passes it to another teammate. He's too concerned with his stats.

Many times you will see him rather other players take the bail out shot rather him, because he does not want to hurt his FG%. He is the best player of their team, he should be the one talking it cause has has the better chance of making it. Be honest with yourself LeBron fans, you know Bron likes to pad his stats.. He even has a "check my stats" t-shirt printed.

http://www.albany.com/byesline/check%20my%20stats2.jpg

[Anaximandro1]

What separates Kobe from Pippen?

NBA's ban in hand-checking ...


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[Roundball_Rock]

I may be the biggest Pippen fan here but what separates Kobe from Pippen is what also separates, say, Shaq from Kobe/Duncan: dominance and impact. Pippen is top 20-30 all-time (depending on your criteria); Kobe is top 10 with a case to be knocking outside the door of the top 5.

[HylianNightmare]

kobe and pippen actually have something in common, they are both better than lebron james.
This i can agree with

[BoutPractice]

So if I understand correctly, the Kobe crowd is going to spend the whole of next season posting "2/5" in every single topic? Is that what's going to happen?

[funnystuff]

So if I understand correctly, the Kobe crowd is going to spend the whole of next season posting "2/5" in every single topic? Is that what's going to happen?
Lebron only has 2/5 and the decision.
You can always counter with a "most missed shots in NBA history", "Artest and Fisher saved his career", "Colorado", any non team stat what-so-ever. Its really easy! Way too many embarrassing things to choose from for the guy.

[BoutPractice]

...It's going to be a fun year...

[HoopsFanNumero1]

2/5

Is that Kobe's FMVP/rings ratio?

[funnystuff]

Is that Kobe's FMVP/rings ratio?
:roll: :roll:

[SOD 21]

When I think of Scottie Pippen I think the way that he was able to lead his teams to championships without Michael Jordan carrying him.

The way that he carried Portland in the 2000 playoffs past the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference finals was inspiring. I'll never forget when he hosted that trophy when teammates with Charles Barkley and Hakeem. His legendary performance in overcoming his migraine issues at some of the most critical moments in his playoff career, that is legendary.

I also love his selflessness when he asked Phil Jackson to the final shot of a playoff game to be taken by Kukoc to win a crucial playoff game.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP exposing the logical fallacies that the Kobe stanbase uses :applause:

This :applause:


I dont think retards like Black & White even realized which point OP made :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

so i guess pippen is better than magic, bird, bran, duncan, and hakeem too right? :oldlol:

thread backfire

thread backfire? :oldlol:


We using you kobe diehards logic on you idiots right now :roll:

[MVBallin2K]

So if I understand correctly, the Kobe crowd is going to spend the whole of next season posting "2/5" in every single topic? Is that what's going to happen?

Not a part of just the Kobe crowd because I'm a Laker fan but uhhhh, as someone who was here for the entire season in Lakers threads, are you going to deny that it isn't deserved?

All season, all they heard was Kobe was done, Kobe is out, blah blah blah from trolls. Then after the Finals are over, people keep trying to deflect to Duncan>Kobe instead of the Heat losing. If you're telling me that the Heat stans (not actual Heat fans, there are some few tolerable ones) don't deserve that, then I don't know what to say.

[jstern]

Not a part of just the Kobe crowd because I'm a Laker fan but uhhhh, as someone who was here for the entire season in Lakers threads, are you going to deny that it isn't deserved?

All season, all they heard was Kobe was done, Kobe is out, blah blah blah from trolls. Then after the Finals are over, people keep trying to deflect to Duncan>Kobe instead of the Heat losing. If you're telling me that the Heat stans (not actual Heat fans, there are some few tolerable ones) don't deserve that, then I don't know what to say.

Have you been hear the past 7 years?

Yeah, the Kobe stans were just all innocent mining their own business while the Lebron stans just happened to choose them for no reason to pick on them.

[NumberSix]

6 rings.

[MVBallin2K]

Have you been hear the past 7 years?

Yeah, the Kobe stans were just all innocent mining their own business while the Lebron stans just happened to choose them for no reason to pick on them.


I never once said that they were but acting like the trolls don't deserve that either is once again, the whole point.

That's kind of the deal as a fan of a winning franchise. Even if you aren't a stan, you're gonna get trolled about your down times when they happen. I don't hate Lebron because I view him in the same light as I do Kobe. Overpropped by his stans and underrated by his haters. Just about every great outside of MJ (and even he gets a few haters) suffer from this but that's part of being a great in the first place.

[PsychoBe]

thread backfire? :oldlol:


We using you kobe diehards logic on you idiots right now :roll:

why dont you answer the question then? :roll: :roll: :roll:

if pippen is better than kobe, than he must be far better than bran and magic, as well as hakeem, shaq, and duncan as well :oldlol:

might wanna try again.

[305Baller]

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[riseagainst]

kobe and pippen are both better than lebron.

both are > 2/5