Lebron fans getting a upset over 2/5, how about all years considered...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Russell: 11/13 (84.6%)

Mikan: 5/7 (71.4%), Including NBL: 7/9 (77.8%)

MJ: 6/15 (40%)

Magic: 5/13 (38.5%)

KAJ: 6/20 (30%)

Duncan: 5/17 (29.4%), Excluding playoff missed due to injury ('00): 5/16 (31.3%)

Kobe: 5/18 (27.7%), Excluding playoff missed due to injury ('13): 5/17 (29.4%)

Bird: 3/13 (23.1%)

Shaq: 4/19 (21.1%)

Lebron: 2/11 (18.2%)

Wilt: 2/14 (14.3%)

[TylerOO]

yall think that 2/5 is insulting. real nikkas like me dont care.

[knicksman]

damn its official. Lebron is this eras wilt:lol

[riseagainst]

Russell and Mikan.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Scary to think LeBron has played 11 seasons, has 2 rings, 4 MVPs, and is still in his prime :bowdown:

[played0ut]

Frank Saul 4 Rings / 6 seasons with 2 different teams.

67%

[knicksman]

Scary to think LeBron has played 11 seasons, has 2 rings, 4 MVPs, and is still in his prime :bowdown:

damn jordan has only 1 season more and he still has 2 rings.. GOAT:bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

Scary to think LeBron has played 11 seasons, has 2 rings, 4 MVPs, and is still in his prime :bowdown:

You talk about the MVP award as if it somehow is important in gauging Bron's ranking. Or Nash. Or Malone. Etc. It means a lot less when certain players win it. Bron's one of those certain players.

Not impressed with the regular season stat stuffing.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You talk about the MVP award as if it somehow is important in gauging Bron's ranking. Or Nash. Or Malone. Etc. It means a lot less when certain players win it. Bron's one of those certain players.

Not impressed with the regular season stat stuffing.
Of course a Kobe stan says this.

[J Shuttlesworth]

damn jordan has only 1 season more and he still has 2 rings.. GOAT:bowdown:
2 rings, and his prime isn't even completed. When Jordan was 29, he also had just two rings :bowdown: So much more to see. Can not wait for the upcoming years

[pauk]

Dunno about them/who you are talking about.... but i am just chuckling at the trolling logic of losing earlier than Finals (or even missing playoffs) being more prestigious than being in the Finals... just because you dont have to mess with that "x out of x in Finals".... "stat"... choking away your entire career until you know you can 100% win the championship that year and hence be 100% in Finals....

[Marchesk]

Hondo 8/16 (50%)

[Deuce Bigalow]

2 rings, and his prime isn't even completed. When Jordan was 29, he also had just two rings :bowdown: So much more to see. Can not wait for the upcoming years
Next year..

Bran will be 30 and already has played 40K total minutes RS and PO combined (actually 39993 currently)
Wade will be 33
Bosh will be 30
Allen will be 39
Anderson will be 36
Lewis will be 35
Battier already retired

[dc_chilling]

Russell: 11/13 (84.6%)

Mikan: 5/7 (71.4%), Including NBL: 7/9 (77.8%)

MJ: 6/15 (40%)

Magic: 5/13 (38.5%)

KAJ: 6/20 (30%)

Duncan: 5/17 (29.4%), Excluding playoff missed due to injury ('00): 5/16 (31.3%)

Kobe: 5/18 (27.7%), Excluding playoff missed due to injury ('13): 5/17 (29.4%)

Bird: 3/13 (23.1%)

Shaq: 4/19 (21.1%)

Lebron: 2/11 (18.2%)

Wilt: 2/14 (14.3%)

Lol I love how you exclude random stuff.

How about excluding Lebron's years as the lone superstar on those shitty Cavs teams? Then he is 2/4.

What you should do is alter the list by FMVP. Don't prop up players for not being the best player on their team when they won the chip.

Here is that list:

MJ: 6/15 (40%)

Magic: 3/13 (23%)

Lebron: 2/11 (18.2%)

Duncan: 3/17 (17.6%)

Shaq: 3/19 (15.7%)

Bird: 2/13 (15.3%)

Kobe: 2/18 (11%)

KAJ: 2/20 (10%)

Wilt: 1/14 (7.1%)

See, you can make numbers say whatever you want.

[Rodmantheman]

Next year..

Bran will be 30 and already has played 40K total minutes RS and PO combined
Wade will be 33
Bosh will be 30
Allen will be 39
Anderson will be 36
Lewis will be 35
Battier already retired

All three likely gone Heat will look different next year.

[Kblaze8855]

As if these idiotic repetitive topics acting as if 2 rings at 29 is something to laugh at were not bad enough....



damn its official. Lebron is this eras wilt

Now we pretend that its an insult being compared to a guy ranked top 3 for 50 years until suddenly .05% of the basketball fanbase decided he was terribly overrated because they dont know shit about the game.

Its probably time to start closing these topics on sight.

50 in a few days....thats probably enough.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Next year..

Bran will be 30 and already has played 40K total minutes RS and PO combined (actually 39993 currently)
Wade will be 33
Bosh will be 30
Allen will be 39
Anderson will be 36
Lewis will be 35
Battier already retired
Wade... yeah i'll give you that one.
Bosh... wtf? 30 isn't necessarily old in the NBA
Allen is in great shape, and just needs to keep his shot going
Andersen/Lewis.. yeah they should probably get rid of them and rebuild.

[PickernRoller]

Lebron not stacking up?

Color me not choked!

[hangintheair]

Lol I love how you exclude random stuff.

How about excluding Lebron's years as the lone superstar on those shitty Cavs teams? Then he is 2/4.

What you should do is alter the list by FMVP. Don't prop up players for not being the best player on their team when they won the chip.

Here is that list:

MJ: 6/15 (40%)

Magic: 3/13 (23%)

Lebron: 2/11 (18.2%)

Duncan: 3/17 (17.6%)

Shaq: 3/19 (15.7%)

Bird: 2/13 (15.3%)

Kobe: 2/18 (11%)

KAJ: 2/20 (10%)

Wilt: 1/14 (7.1%)

See, you can make numbers say whatever you want.

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[sekachu]

damn jordan has only 1 season more and he still has 2 rings.. GOAT:bowdown:



The last 2 years MJ played for wizard is basically irrelvant. He came back for the love of the game. It should be 6/13 (46%).

If you exclude the year 94 MJ didn't play completely. 6/12 (50%).

[funnystuff]

This is so dumb because you don't penalize players for not making the finals.

Let me ask you Deuce, should Lebron have lost to Indy? He would of remained 2/4 in the finals, a whopping 50% :eek: :eek:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wade... yeah i'll give you that one.
Bosh... wtf? 30 isn't necessarily old in the NBA
Allen is in great shape, and just needs to keep his shot going
Andersen/Lewis.. yeah they should probably get rid of them and rebuild.
Bosh had his lowest scoring and rebounding season last season and averaged only 5.6 rpg during this year's playoffs.

Allen is in good shape but that mileage is already getting to him, what did he do in the Finals?

Anderson is a key piece and was huge in the '13 playoffs but he's old and his impact was not like '13 and likely won't ever be again considering he'll be 36.

I don't think the Heat's future looks that bright unless they have a good offseason signing(s).

[J Shuttlesworth]

I don't think the Heat's future looks that bright unless they have a good offseason.
If Wade opts in, which he probably will.... :banghead:
Bosh said he's willing to take a cut. IMO, get rid of Lewis/Birdman for some younger legs/traditional C. The Heat's off season really rests on Wade's shoulders though. If he chooses money over winning, it won't be a championship year and the Spurs will repeat, no question. If Wade is willing to take a paycut, they could easily be contenders.

Remember Wade essentially paid Haslem to stay on the Heat? I won't be surprised if Wade takes a paycut and LeBron pays him the difference. Bron did just make 30 million from the Beats by Dre sale.

If Wade opts in, I won't be surprised if LeBron leaves

Also, I think Bosh could be more effective if he got more touches as the 2nd option of the team, opposed to Wade.

[J Shuttlesworth]

This is so dumb because you don't penalize players for not making the finals.

Let me ask you Deuce, should Lebron have lost to Indy? He would of remained 2/4 in the finals, a whopping 50% :eek: :eek:
I bet that the Chicago Bulls are glad they didn't make the finals this year to lose to the Spurs. Their season was a lot more succesful getting knocked out of the first round as the 3rd seed. Making the finals would have been an embarassment. Thibs would've been fired if they made the finals and lost. Good thing they got knocked out of the first round instead.

Also good that the Pacers didn't make the finals, and lost to the Heat instead. Wouldn't want to taint their legacies w/ a finals loss eh? :hammerhead:

[riseagainst]

Lol I love how you exclude random stuff.

How about excluding Lebron's years as the lone superstar on those shitty Cavs teams? Then he is 2/4.

What you should do is alter the list by FMVP. Don't prop up players for not being the best player on their team when they won the chip.

Here is that list:

MJ: 6/15 (40%)

Magic: 3/13 (23%)

Lebron: 2/11 (18.2%)

Duncan: 3/17 (17.6%)

Shaq: 3/19 (15.7%)

Bird: 2/13 (15.3%)

Kobe: 2/18 (11%)

KAJ: 2/20 (10%)

Wilt: 1/14 (7.1%)

See, you can make numbers say whatever you want.

what?

that's the most retarded thing i've ever seen. So it counts as a loss because there can only be 1 finals mvp?

:roll: :roll:

these lebrontards are so retarded.

:roll:

[PickernRoller]

2/5 getting in their head. :lol :lol

[Ne 1]

How about excluding Lebron's years as the lone superstar on those shitty Cavs teams?
Gross exaggeration.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Keep acting like a losing Finals record isn't bad.

[Legends66NBA7]

As if these idiotic repetitive topics acting as if 2 rings at 29 is something to laugh at were not bad enough....




Now we pretend that its an insult being compared to a guy ranked top 3 for 50 years until suddenly .05% of the basketball fanbase decided he was terribly overrated because they dont know shit about the game.

Its probably time to start closing these topics on sight.

50 in a few days....thats probably enough.

True, but it will only get worse in the off season. Were not even 1 week done from the Finals yet.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Keep acting like a losing Finals record isn't bad.
It's really actually quite stupid to think of it this way.

Going 6/13 is better than going 5/9. People will only care about # of rings. Losing earlier in the playoffs is not better than losing in the finals no matter which way you slice it. At the end of the day, LeBron has 2 FMVP at 29 years old which is the exact same position Jordan was in.

[Droid101]

This thread: where FMVP trumps everything, and means that player was the best player on their team all year.

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ: 6/15 (40%)
Damn. That's including:

- 2x Wizard Seasons
- 2x Prime Years Retired

6 for 13.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Damn. That's including:

- 2x Wizard Seasons
- 2x Prime Years Retired

6 for 13.
Might as well say 8/13. Dude should have never retired for baseball, and would have 8 peated... and Hakeem would be ringless. Damn shame

[navy]

How can you be sure they would have beaten Orlando that year he came back and lost to Orlando...

[NumberSix]

Russell: 11/13 (84.6%)

Mikan: 5/7 (71.4%), Including NBL: 7/9 (77.8%)

MJ: 6/15 (40%)

Magic: 5/13 (38.5%)

KAJ: 6/20 (30%)

Duncan: 5/17 (29.4%), Excluding playoff missed due to injury ('00): 5/16 (31.3%)

Kobe: 5/18 (27.7%), Excluding playoff missed due to injury ('13): 5/17 (29.4%)

Bird: 3/13 (23.1%)

Shaq: 4/19 (21.1%)

Lebron: 2/11 (18.2%)

Wilt: 2/14 (14.3%)
#2 option, #3 option and role player rings don't count.

[kNicKz]

#2 option, #3 option and role player rings don't count.

Ray Allen's ring from 2013 doesn't count?

[Bless Mathews]

damn jordan has only 1 season more and he still has 2 rings.. GOAT:bowdown:
And let's break it down.

2 years with wizards after retired for three years don't really count.

2nd year broken foot only played 18 games.

94-95 season only played 17 games after being retired for a year.

So in only 11 FULL seasons WITH BULLS, he 6/11

Goat.

[Droid101]

What years was the FMVP NOT the best player on the team?

I'd argue:

2001. Kobe was better every series until the Finals.

2004. Ben Wallace was the heart and soul of the team all year long.

2008. Kevin Garnett was better during the regular season and Eastern conference playoffs, and I'd say Ray Allen was FMVP based on that stinker Pierce threw up in the finals.

2014. Kawahi was FMVP but Duncan/TP were better during regular season and playoffs (toss up for either one).

[NumberSix]

And let's break it down.

2 years with wizards after retired for three years don't really count.

2nd year broken foot only played 18 games.

94-95 season only played 17 games after being retired for a year.

So in only 11 FULL seasons WITH BULLS, he 6/11

Goat.
Ok, I can play that game too.

LeBron's first 7 seasons don't count. Cavs..... No explanation needed. Not a real NBA team.


In LeBron's 4 year NBA career.....

50% on chips.
50% on FMVPs
50% on MVPs
100% on finals appearences




GOAT

[dreamwarrior]

"not 1 but 2"

[Bless Mathews]

Ok, I can play that game too.

LeBron's first 7 seasons don't count. Cavs..... No explanation needed. Not a real NBA team.


In LeBron's 4 year NBA career.....

50% on chips.
50% on FMVPs
50% on MVPs
100% on finals appearences




GOAT

You really gonna compare a player in their prime to a 38 year old

Classic bron Stan idiocy.

Bron is a sissy.

[Ne 1]

What years was the FMVP NOT the best player on the team?

I'd argue:

2001. Kobe was better every series until the Finals.

2004. Ben Wallace was the heart and soul of the team all year long.

2008. Kevin Garnett was better during the regular season and Eastern conference playoffs, and I'd say Ray Allen was FMVP based on that stinker Pierce threw up in the finals.

2014. Kawahi was FMVP but Duncan/TP were better during regular season and playoffs (toss up for either one).
Parker over Duncan, Maxwell over Bird, Worthy over Magic, Dumars over Thomas. We even nearly had Starks over Ewing if he makes just 1 shot. As far as 2001? If there was an MVP for each series in '01 this is how I'd break down down...

'01:
vs. Blazers - Either, hard to pick.
vs. Kings - Could go with either, Shaq dominated the first two games and Kobe the last two. Shaq is better if you combine the stats I think, so you could give him the edge.
vs. Spurs - Kobe, but Shaq played well too.

[ball4life27]

6-24

[Roundball_Rock]

Russel is 11/12. One of the two years his team lost was when he got hurt in the Finals. BTW, his "stacked" Celtics were barely above .500 when he joined and missed the playoffs after he retired. With him? Instant champions as a rookie and champions prior to his retirement.

[funnystuff]

No team Lebron has ever played with would of been able to bail him out of 6-24 shooting with a win.

/thread

[Dresta]

If Wade opts in, which he probably will.... :banghead:
Bosh said he's willing to take a cut. IMO, get rid of Lewis/Birdman for some younger legs/traditional C. The Heat's off season really rests on Wade's shoulders though. If he chooses money over winning, it won't be a championship year and the Spurs will repeat, no question. If Wade is willing to take a paycut, they could easily be contenders.

Remember Wade essentially paid Haslem to stay on the Heat? I won't be surprised if Wade takes a paycut and LeBron pays him the difference. Bron did just make 30 million from the Beats by Dre sale.

If Wade opts in, I won't be surprised if LeBron leaves

Also, I think Bosh could be more effective if he got more touches as the 2nd option of the team, opposed to Wade.
I don't get your rating of Bosh. The man took 2 less shots per game than Wade throughout the regular season (scoring 3 less points) and has routinely been laying eggs all throughout the playoff runs of the last few years. This playoffs he took 2.4 less shots to score 3 less points (and before the finals this disparity would've been far greater). He also scored 0 points in the finals game 7 last year - he needed more touches! It's not like Miami even have a designated '2nd option' anyway: when Bosh is assertive and makes shots at the start of the game he will often end up taking more shots than Wade, but too often he goes 1-5 and then checks out of the game.

Honestly, i think until you get rid of this 1st, 2nd, 3rd option bullshit Miami will struggle to beat the Spurs again, and rightfully so, considering they beat them playing team ball and not this mindless media batman/robin narrative used to make kids think they know something about basketball.

Lebron should be getting his 25 and direct the offense, but as for touches: the ball should simply keep moving until a guy gets a good look. Wade gets more shots because he was more active offensively, always cutting at the right times and such, whereas Bosh is routinely planted on the perimeter, passive, and waiting for the kickout.

Basketball: team sport, 5 players, a hierarchy of 'options' just isn't required.

[EwingMan]

jordan stans:

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this isn't a serious metric which pertains to how good your favorite shoe salesman was at basketball. there is no need to make up false narratives about how some years don't count against jordan (because he played poorly, or was out of shape), or count absentee years when he didn't have the passion or the mental fortitude to get on the court.

6 rings and 3 'retirements' from '85-'03 is pretty good, and is nothing you should be ashamed to stan in the future.

[Rubio2Gasol]

This is basically penalizing guys for playing longer.

[sportjames23]

jordan stans:

http://replygif.net/i/1195.gif

this isn't a serious metric which pertains to how good your favorite shoe salesman was at basketball. there is no need to make up false narratives about how some years don't count against jordan (because he played poorly, or was out of shape), or count absentee years when he didn't have the passion or the mental fortitude to get on the court.

6 rings and 3 'retirements' from '85-'03 is pretty good, and is nothing you should be ashamed to stan in the future.


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[Take Your Lumps]

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[Bandito]

Dunno about them/who you are talking about.... but i am just chuckling at the trolling logic of losing earlier than Finals (or even missing playoffs) being more prestigious than being in the Finals... just because you dont have to mess with that "x out of x in Finals".... "stat"... choking away your entire career until you know you can 100% win the championship that year and hence be 100% in Finals....
Slurping Lebron's *** since 2010 :lol

[Haymaker]

Next year..

Bran will be 30 and already has played 40K total minutes RS and PO combined (actually 39993 currently)
Wade will be 33
Bosh will be 30
Allen will be 39
Anderson will be 36
Lewis will be 35
Battier already retired

The Miami Heat are the new SA Spurs. The old guys of the league.