What type of last second shot can you live with?

[Dr.J4ever]

A couple years ago in an Open Court episode, Reggie Miller said he would want his star player to take the last shot under almost all circumstances. Given the, ehem, "discussions" here with regards to "alphas" and "betas", the question is, who would you rather take the last shot in a do or die game: a role player/ above average shooter but open player like a Danny Green, or an "alpha" dog like Kobe or Lebron, but with a contested shot?

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'll take the open role player. Guys like Horry/Fisher/Allen have excelled at these shots. I'd trust a 3 from Horry over a contested Kobe shot

[riseagainst]

I sense this will turn into another kobe vs lebron vs MJ flame war soon.

:lol

OP seriously, why you baiting?

[navy]

If you have seen stars clutch stats I dont see how you can argue a star chucking up a shot is the best option.

An open good shooter should always take the last shot. The problem is that stars have the abilty to create for themselves and get a shot off in almost any situation.

If the player is open, it doesnt matter who takes the shot. You pass him the ball if he is respectable.
If the player isnt, then you want a star like Kobe. Who makes bad shots for a living.

[AintNoSunshine]

Depends on who the role player is. Haslem? Hell naw. Ray Allen? Fukk yes.

[Droid101]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/583/040/cff.png

Or rather...

http://i.imgur.com/4wSX4ze.jpg

[dreamwarrior]

Sometimes open role players get the ball for the last shot and end up hesitating because they weren't expecting the star player to pass them the ball. Guys like Horry and Allen are obviously not the norm.

[Dr.J4ever]

I sense this will turn into another kobe vs lebron vs MJ flame war soon.

:lol

OP seriously, why you baiting?

Seriously, this is not bait. I want to know to what extent people really believe in "hero ball". Your "alpha" guy taking the last second shot, although contested, is the very definition of "hero ball".

On the other hand, there are many respectable coaches who strongly believe in "hero ball". So it's okay, tell us what you think.

[Killbot]

I'd take an open shot. I value my life. There is less pressure if it's uncontested. Also players have been practicing wide open shots for years and years, especially an above average shooter, so this won't be anything new to them.

An above average shooter in the NBA is still an exceptional shooter.

[played0ut]

It depends. You want it in the hands of someone who can create their own shots (MJ/Bird/Kobe) because sometimes even the most well thought out plays mess up.


Only if the defense has some distinctive edge to make it too difficult (throw 3 guys on you) then you'll pass it to a reliable shooter.

[plowking]

You get the best shot possible, as it is the one most highly correlated with winning.

[Dr.J4ever]

Anyone remember Lebron's drive and dish vs. the Pacers in the ECF. He went right down the lane, Hibbert challenged the last second attempt, but then Lebron dished to a wide open 3 point shooter(I forgot who), who promptly missed.

Many NBA watchers criticized Lebron, like Skip Bayless, and of course, it was derided here on the board by the Lebron haters as Lebron being "beta".

So going forward, in the battle for the hearts and minds of fans, coaches, and players, this question is important on who wins the future of basketball.

[Lord Bean]

It really depends on the player taking the shot. I'd rather guys like MJ, Kobe, or Durant take the last shot, guys who:

1) Have the footwork and skills to get a shot off
2) Have the jumper and range to make the shot
3) Have the confidence to do 1 and 2 in the first place
4) Don't care if they miss

If it's someone like Lebron, I'd much rather have everyone spread out the floor and allow Lebron to put his head down and travel to the rim to either draw a foul or look for the kick out to a shooter. If the opposing team is daring him to shoot like they commonly do, I wouldn't be too upset over him taking the shot, but generally, I'd hope he passed it off.

[Dr.J4ever]

A lot of the answers, so far, have been with qualifications. We might be able to categorize them into 3 types, like in politics.

1. Conservatives-- these people believe the superstar should always take the last second attempt. He is the only one truly answerable for the franchise' hopes and future. Therefore, he should bear all responsibility for failure or glory. Many Kobe stans would agree to this.

2. Moderates-- these people believe that a superstar should handle the basketball and create, but then, just in case there is an open shooter, he should pass the ball and live with the results from a shooter/role player. Maybe the Lebron stans?

3. Liberals-- these people believe a number of players, who can create, should handle the ball, depending on the situation and defensive match ups. Move the basketball around and see who gets open. Some of the international guys may believe this..Was this the Spurs system?

[VIntageNOvel]

the best player in the team

[Dr.J4ever]

the best player in the team
conservative.

[Akrazotile]

I would want Kibe taking a shot in the final seconds because altho he is statistically almost guaranteed to miss, the shot is generally so woeful it results in a "kobe assist" where a teammate unexpectedly has a rebound fall in his lap and gets to make the clutch basket in relief of Kibe.

[SpanishACB]

A couple years ago in an Open Court episode, Reggie Miller said he would want his star player to take the last shot under almost all circumstances. Given the, ehem, "discussions" here with regards to "alphas" and "betas", the question is, who would you rather take the last shot in a do or die game: a role player/ above average shooter but open player like a Danny Green, or an "alpha" dog like Kobe or Lebron, but with a contested shot?

the guy who is open

[Inactive]

A lot of the answers, so far, have been with qualifications. We might be able to categorize them into 3 types, like in politics.

1. Conservatives-- these people believe the superstar should always take the last second attempt. He is the only one truly answerable for the franchise' hopes and future. Therefore, he should bear all responsibility for failure or glory. Many Kobe stans would agree to this.

2. Moderates-- these people believe that a superstar should handle the basketball and create, but then, just in case there is an open shooter, he should pass the ball and live with the results from a shooter/role player. Maybe the Lebron stans?

3. Liberals-- these people believe a number of players, who can create, should handle the ball, depending on the situation and defensive match ups. Move the basketball around and see who gets open. Some of the international guys may believe this..Was this the Spurs system?I guess I would be moderate. If you don't have a standout star, liberal is obviously the way to go. Yes, that's how the Spurs play. The offense could be initiated by Manu, Parker, or Duncan, and anyone on the team could end up taking the final shot.

I think it would make more sense if you reversed liberal and conservative. A more traditional, conservative coach with a lot of control over his players would likely force them to run a set play, with multiple shooting options, depending on how the defense reacts. A liberal coach would give his players more freedom to play, likely resulting in the star creating something out of an iso.

[NZStreetBaller]

I sense this will turn into another kobe vs lebron vs MJ flame war soon.

:lol

OP seriously, why you baiting?

every thread does this...... even if you talked about the difference between socks and shoes it would eventually come to lebron v kobe vs MJ

[GimmeThat]

Any.

As long as my players don't have a mental melt down on the plays I've drawn for them, or the player who's got the ball in his hands doesn't know the shot clock is expiring.

[GimmeThat]

3. Liberals-- these people believe a number of players, who can create, should handle the ball, depending on the situation and defensive match ups. Move the basketball around and see who gets open. Some of the international guys may believe this..Was this the Spurs system?


You know, a lot of college coaches aren't nessecarily liberal.


Bean.

[russwest0]

the best players need to be taking the biggest shots. period.

if that means lebron james has to take a contested shot while haslem is wide open then so be it.

case and point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKbCZlRQX1A

[Kvnzhangyay]

the best players need to be taking the biggest shots. period.

if that means lebron james has to take a contested shot while haslem is wide open then so be it.

case and point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKbCZlRQX1A

And this is why your not well known for your success as a basketball analyst

[305Baller]

Best shot possible unless star player is on fire.


the best players need to be taking the biggest shots. period.

if that means lebron james has to take a contested shot while haslem is wide open then so be it.

case and point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKbCZlRQX1A

Thats Haslem's shot.

[Dr.J4ever]

the best players need to be taking the biggest shots. period.

if that means lebron james has to take a contested shot while haslem is wide open then so be it.

case and point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKbCZlRQX1A

Great video example of what we're discussing. That was the "right" basketball play. The tv analyst said Haslem had only 4 points all game long, but another poster here said that it was Haslem's shot. So what's the correct thing to do here?

Remember when Chris Webber, on another last second shot in the Playoffs, dribbled around, and then screened Bibby for a wide open shot? That was another good play, but he was roundly criticized for this as not being "clutch".Bibby made the shot, and the Kings won.

That's what I really want to get into. The mentality and prevailing wisdom, even today in the wake of the Spurs defeating the Heat, is that the best player must take the last shot, even if it is contested.

It is counter intuitive for most to say any good shooter, if he's open, should take the last shot. Is this more of an American thing? I think in Europe there would be no question that the man with the open shot should take it.

[kshutts1]

Everyone has their opinion, but I consider it a silly argument. I am more likely to make a wide open 18 footer than Kobe or Jordan or Lebron or Durant is likely to make a well-contested, double-teamed 18 footer. Did I mention I'm not a professional?

I want the ball in the hands of my best play creator, and I want that player to have the smarts to know that the best shot is not always his shot.

[coin24]

The right basketball play.. Ie get it to Kobe :bowdown: :bowdown: