Joel Embiid suffers foot injury, will have foot surgery

[DStebb716]

Kansas center Joel Embiid is scheduled to have surgery Friday to repair a stress fracture in his right foot, a stunning development that could affect the top choices in next week's NBA draft.

Embiid, one of the top three candidates the Cleveland Cavaliers were considering for the No. 1 overall pick, fractured the navicular bone in his right foot, agent Arn Tellem said Thursday. Embiid will be unable to participate in any additional workouts and will not attend the draft in New York.

-- AP

[coin24]

Send kyrie to lakers then thanks:cheers:

[DStebb716]

Expectation is now that Embiid will not be selected first overall and may slip even further.

[Uncle Drew]

Odd thing is, this is happening right before his workout with the Bucks, the one place he didn't want to go to.

[Clyde]

Odd thing is, this is happening right before his workout with the Bucks, the one place he didn't want to go to.

:applause:

[Dr.J4ever]

Nail biting time for Philly fans...:eek:

[Johnny Jones]

Odd thing is, this is happening right before his workout with the Bucks, the one place he didn't want to go to.
You are so fckin delusional :lol :lol

[Uncle Drew]

You are so fckin delusional :lol :lol
Like you wouldn't be if this shit happened to Davis two years ago.

[DStebb716]

Odd thing is, this is happening right before his workout with the Bucks, the one place he didn't want to go to.

No relation. He was a lock to go number one before this.

[Uncle Drew]

No relation. He was a lock to go number one before this.
Well, there have been some rumors about us and Philly trading 1 for 3/10.

[D-Rose]

[QUOTE]@chadfordinsider

[Haymaker]

He'll end up in Boston, just like Sullinger.

[Smook A.]

F*ck injuries man. We lost alot of special players to injuries. Guys like Brandon Roy, Penny, Grant Hill, TMac, and maybe even Greg Oden. Who knows how good they would've been.

[R.I.P.]

Embiid has played maybe 100 semi-professional basketball games in his life and alrfeady suffered back and foot injuries. I mean you don

[Dr.J4ever]

Well, there have been some rumors about us and Philly trading 1 for 3/10.
0% chance Hinkie trades 3 and 10 for your 1. Zilch.

What is being rumored is Thad Young and 3 for your 1. That's all.

[no pun intended]

In before Cavs draft Aaron Gordon.

[oh the horror]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Embiid has played maybe 100 semi-professional basketball games in his life and alrfeady suffered back and foot injuries. I mean you don

[1~Gibson~1]

In before Cavs draft Aaron Gordon.
:lol I wouldnt doubt it but id be pissed if we dont draft Wiggins now!

[Derka]

He'll end up in Boston, just like Sullinger.
I'll poop a little.

[kaiteng]

Wiggins #1 now?

[DStebb716]

Wiggins #1 now?

People are guessing Parker.

[Burgz V2]

this screams guarantee from Cleveland

[jayfan]

0% chance Hinkie trades 3 and 10 for your 1. Zilch.

What is being rumored is Thad Young and 3 for your 1. That's all.

Depending on Young's contract status (?), I'd definitely make that trade if I'm Cleveland (even before the Embiid injury).

[hawkfan]

He'll drop to number 15.

[Jailblazers7]

Wow, could be a major shake-up. I think the team to watch is definitely Philly. Do they take Embiid at 3 or settle on Exum? Do they trade up to #1 for Wiggins?

It will be an interesting draft night for sure.

[S13M]

this screams guarantee from Cleveland

Then his agent should just tell he's not doing any workouts. Why would they leak a story of him suffering a leg injury considering his injury history already?

[kshutts1]

If teams truly thought Embiid was/is special, I don't see why this affects the decision.

Worst case scenario is he doesn't play, but has a year to work with coaches, trainers, etc, and get more healthy than he's ever been. Going along with that, the team continues to suck and gets another high pick the following year. For a rebuilding team, they could do a lot worse.

Best case is it's all a smoke screen, he has a guarantee, and he plays just fine.

Then all the in between... legit injury, he sits a while then plays. At the end of the 4 year rookie contract, does it really matter if he sat out the first 20 games? Silly GMs not looking at the big picture.

That said, I disagree with his being the consensus #1 pick, and note the obvious risk... but just the rationale behind it makes no sense.

[COnDEMnED]

This guy's a walking time bomb. Please don't drop to the Lakers or the Lakers recruiting affiliates...Orlando.

[lakers1978]

Front page on RealGM says it could be a broken foot.

[WeGetRing2012]

Blake Griffin broke his knee cap before his rookie season. People don't even think about that anymore. Hopefully Embiid falls to #7 :rockon:

[LBJMVP]

Damn, really wanted embiid but a broken foot and back injury for that big of a guy is to risky. Didn't Ming break his leg and it just never healed?

[NuggetsFan]

If teams truly thought Embiid was/is special, I don't see why this affects the decision.

Worst case scenario is he doesn't play, but has a year to work with coaches, trainers, etc, and get more healthy than he's ever been. Going along with that, the team continues to suck and gets another high pick the following year. For a rebuilding team, they could do a lot worse.

Best case is it's all a smoke screen, he has a guarantee, and he plays just fine.

Then all the in between... legit injury, he sits a while then plays. At the end of the 4 year rookie contract, does it really matter if he sat out the first 20 games? Silly GMs not looking at the big picture.

That said, I disagree with his being the consensus #1 pick, and note the obvious risk... but just the rationale behind it makes no sense.

Worse case scenario is he's Greg Oden. He is consistently hurt and because of that never develops into anything special and is out of the league in 4 years or has a limited ceiling. When your at the top of the draft you can't whiff on your picks. You can't pass on the Wiggins/Parkers of the world for an injury prone big man. That's the rational behind it. How do these injury's affect him & his development and do you see it being a constant problem. Depending on how you answer those questions probably determines where you draft him.

Smoke screen would make no sense. Why would he and his agent try and hurt his draft stock? Unless he doesn't want to play for Cleveland or something. Even than that's a little much. There's no positive in releasing this unless he wants to drop.

[BigTicket]

This really sucks, Embiid probably drops out of the top 3 now.

The Cavs can't take him at #1 now, just too big a risk. So they will have to take Wiggins or Parker instead, and then Milwaukee will take whoever the Cavs don't pick. That means the Sixers will be left with either Exum or Vonleh, because they can't take a chance on both Embiid and Noel at the same time.

Alternatively the Sixers could try to trade up for the #1 spot to get Wiggins, but they will have to give the Cavs a really sweet deal because the dropoff between #2 and #3 is much larger now.

[Haymaker]

If teams truly thought Embiid was/is special, I don't see why this affects the decision.

Worst case scenario is he doesn't play, but has a year to work with coaches, trainers, etc, and get more healthy than he's ever been. Going along with that, the team continues to suck and gets another high pick the following year. For a rebuilding team, they could do a lot worse.

Best case is it's all a smoke screen, he has a guarantee, and he plays just fine.

Then all the in between... legit injury, he sits a while then plays. At the end of the 4 year rookie contract, does it really matter if he sat out the first 20 games? Silly GMs not looking at the big picture.

That said, I disagree with his being the consensus #1 pick, and note the obvious risk... but just the rationale behind it makes no sense.

Did you used to work for the Blazers management?

[Uncle Drew]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA
Cleveland doctors discovered right foot injury in exams and passed info onto Embiid reps, sources tell Yahoo. Fear is a right foot fracture.

It's over.

[Haymaker]

Embiid has Sullinger's back and Brook Lopez foot. Bad mix.

[Meticode]

Then his agent should just tell he's not doing any workouts. Why would they leak a story of him suffering a leg injury considering his injury history already?
The theory for this is that Cleveland and the 76ers have been in trade talks for the #1 pick. The 76ers are high on Wiggins, even if they get #1 the 76ers are taking Wiggins. The thoery is that hte Cavs are high on Embiid and they want to scare the Bucks into not taking Embiid.

So if the 76ers trade #3+Thaddeus Young for the #1 Pick, the 76ers will pick Wiggins, the Bucks will be scared of Embiid's fake injuries and pick Parker, and the Cavs will end up with the same player they would've drafted at #1 anyway, but it'll be at #3.

In any case, it's just a rumor.

[Meticode]

Blake Griffin broke his knee cap before his rookie season. People don't even think about that anymore. Hopefully Embiid falls to #7 :rockon:
Different type of injury, Blade already played a great season at Oklahoma. Foot injuries, especially fractures are a big turn off for huge big men. It screams future foot injuries. He's played barely in college games in his career and he already had a back fracture and rumor is a foot fracture. What's going to happen ove a 82 game season where games are closer together and you play longer games?

[navy]

He shouldnt have agreed to workout....

[navy]

Different type of injury, Blade already played a great season at Oklahoma. Foot injuries, especially fractures are a big turn off for huge big men. It screams future foot injuries. He's played barely in college games in his career and he already had a back fracture and rumor is a foot fracture. What's going to happen ove a 82 game season where games are closer together and you play longer games?
To be fair, we dont know if these injuries where from normal basketball play do we?

[JtotheIzzo]

Get better JOEL!!!!!!

Wiggins must go to Philly. We cannot put another one of our boys into that horrible organization!!!!

[Meticode]

If teams truly thought Embiid was/is special, I don't see why this affects the decision.
Because history big-men of his caliber and size are injury prone. He didn't even play a full season at Kansas for his first season and already he supposedly had a back fracture, and not a foot fracture. The foot scares me the most, Yao Ming couldn't continue his career because of a bad foot fracture because a player of that size running up and down the court just isn't good for the feet.

[Derka]

Blake Griffin broke his knee cap before his rookie season. People don't even think about that anymore. Hopefully Embiid falls to #7 :rockon:
I'm glad someone else thinks in 3D here.

[oh the horror]

Two fractures like that for a big man are NOT something you chance on. No way in hell.

[LoneyROY7]

Philly PLEASE trade up to #1...don't let Wiggins go to Cleveland. Don't let it happen.

[Jailblazers7]

The theory for this is that Cleveland and the 76ers have been in trade talks for the #1 pick. The 76ers are high on Wiggins, even if they get #1 the 76ers are taking Wiggins. The thoery is that hte Cavs are high on Embiid and they want to scare the Bucks into not taking Embiid.

So if the 76ers trade #3+Thaddeus Young for the #1 Pick, the 76ers will pick Wiggins, the Bucks will be scared of Embiid's fake injuries and pick Parker, and the Cavs will end up with the same player they would've drafted at #1 anyway, but it'll be at #3.

In any case, it's just a rumor.

Damn, that would be a some ruthless negotiating if true. Even as a Sixers fan I'd have to respect the Cavs for being that Machiavellian.

[kshutts1]

I'm sorry, but there's literally no evidence for anything even remotely close to "injury prone". Some players get hurt a lot, some don't. Kobe gets hurt all the time. He's not prone. Jordan broke his foot in his second season. He's fine.

If there were chronic issues, then the injury would be to the same portion of his body. Back/back or foot/foot. That's not the case. Non issue. Draft as you would.

[oh the horror]

I'm sorry, but there's literally no evidence for anything even remotely close to "injury prone". Some players get hurt a lot, some don't. Kobe gets hurt all the time. He's not prone. Jordan broke his foot in his second season. He's fine.

If there were chronic issues, then the injury would be to the same portion of his body. Back/back or foot/foot. That's not the case. Non issue. Draft as you would.


Are you f*cking kidding me?

[Meticode]

Damn, that would be a some ruthless negotiating if true. Even as a Sixers fan I'd have to respect the Cavs for being that Machiavellian.
I don't think it's true and far fetched. If draft night comes and these injuries are indeed real, I don't see them taking Embiid any furthur. He's played less than 1 college season and already had a back fracture and now a foot fracture which is the last type of injury you want to hear for big man. Even more so than the back.

[Meticode]

I'm sorry, but there's literally no evidence for anything even remotely close to "injury prone". Some players get hurt a lot, some don't. Kobe gets hurt all the time. He's not prone. Jordan broke his foot in his second season. He's fine.

If there were chronic issues, then the injury would be to the same portion of his body. Back/back or foot/foot. That's not the case. Non issue. Draft as you would.
I disagree taking into account his playing time. He's played less than 1 college season of good competitive basketball and he's already had two fractures? Foot injuries are the last thing you want to hear a big-man getting as well.

[NattyPButter]

LOLZ....just so much of it. Now lets see those Embiid Cav fans jump on that Wiggins and Parker train now. I got sick of those ppl trying to push just him onto other Cav fans. Dude was prone to injury to moment he got his first back injury.

[NuggetsFan]

It's over.

Damn so turns out that one reporter who everybody said lying was right and the medical exams did go wrong? Crazy. Everybody including other people in the media had the guy spouting bullshit.

[Meticode]

So it looks like Embiid's camp didn't even know of the fracture. The Cavs discovered it during the physical and told Embiid's reps.

Woj is reporting he's consulting a foot Dr. and will be setup for surgery probably...

"Embiid's consulting w/ orthopedist Dr. Richard Ferkel in L.A.; determination on fracture and possible surgery expected soon, sources tell Y."

It's official, Embiid to L.A. JK JK JK

[Meticode]

LOLZ....just so much of it. Now lets see those Embiid Cav fans jump on that Wiggins and Parker train now. I got sick of those ppl trying to push just him onto other Cav fans. Dude was prone to injury to moment he got his first back injury.
The thing is no one can predict how a player is going to perform, it's all best guess.

Personally now and even before the Embiid hype I don't care who the Cavs draft, as long as it's either Parker or Wiggins. I don't want them to draft Embiid now. The foot injury scares me 5x more than the back injury ever did.

[kshutts1]

I disagree taking into account his playing time. He's played less than 1 college season of good competitive basketball and he's already had two fractures? Foot injuries are the last thing you want to hear a big-man getting as well.
I don't follow college, or really any basketball beyond NBA, so I may be off... but I thought I heard Embiid has only been playing competitive basketball for 3-4 years?

I believe that, in theory, with very few exceptions, if any ridiculously athletic/physical freak human went from zero competitive basketball to one of the best leagues (D1) in the world, they too would get hurt relatively often, even if their injury history was clear.

Edit: Natural injuries occurring through an advanced/accelerated physical learning process. Not to mention it's all happening when this kid is 18/19 years old and his body is going through crazy changes anyway. And I'll say it again... couple that with the injuries coming to two distinctly different body parts, and I'm not concerned.

[Meticode]

I don't follow college, or really any basketball beyond NBA, so I may be off... but I thought I heard Embiid has only been playing competitive basketball for 3-4 years?

I believe that, in theory, with very few exceptions, if any ridiculously athletic/physical freak human went from zero competitive basketball to one of the best leagues (D1) in the world, they too would get hurt relatively often, even if their injury history was clear.
Yes, but the fact it's a foot injury and he's an athletic big-man that depends on those feet, it's going to make people second guess him. He's gotten two fractures in less than a year. That's not good.

[kshutts1]

Are you f*cking kidding me?
Please point me in the direction of anyone that is "injury prone" to the extent that it ruined their careers. Not someone with one gruesome injury. But continual injuries that derailed their careers.

Yao -- Foot or leg. Nearly every time. Chronic issue.
Grant Hill -- Popular candidate due to all his issues, but remained a productive player through his late 30's, without getting hurt much beyond his Orlando days.
Kobe -- Most oft-injured player I can think of, where the injuries are mostly different in nature. Last I checked, he had a great career, and it's not even over.

That's just a couple.

[kshutts1]

Yes, but the fact it's a foot injury and he's an athletic big-man that depends on those feet, it's going to make people second guess him. He's gotten two fractures in less than a year. That's not good.
Agree that it's not good. But as an NBA franchise decision maker (Obviously I'm not one)... at least it came before he was on my team. AT least the injuries were to different places.

[christian1923]

I been tryna tell RBA this guy is to risky. Take the safe choice in wiggins or Parker. They're both great players too.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Please point me in the direction of anyone that is "injury prone" to the extent that it ruined their careers. Not someone with one gruesome injury. But continual injuries that derailed their careers.

Yao -- Foot or leg. Nearly every time. Chronic issue.
Grant Hill -- Popular candidate due to all his issues, but remained a productive player through his late 30's, without getting hurt much beyond his Orlando days.
Kobe -- Most oft-injured player I can think of, where the injuries are mostly different in nature. Last I checked, he had a great career, and it's not even over.

That's just a couple.

Uh, how about Greg Oden? The last 'can't miss' true center prospect? The guy who looked so good he was picked over Kevin Durant?

How about Andrew Bynum?

[Meticode]

I been tryna tell RBA this guy is to risky. Take the safe choice in wiggins or Parker. They're both great players too.
It's Cleveland though. Get prepared for draft night. "The Cleveland Cavaliers select Aaron Gordon-or-Juilius Randle-or-Dante Exum."

RBA said if they don't take Wiggins, Parker or Embiid he's going to go crazy. :roll:

[BoutPractice]

Still the best prospect in the draft... Could be another Noel situation, except this time the draft is stronger.

Other prospects with all-star to superstar potential, in my opinion, are Dante Exum, Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Marcus Smart, Kyle Anderson, Elfrid Payton, and Aaron Gordon... some of the Europeans as well may be worth it (Saric?).

But it's all very uncertain, I'm not sure any of them projects to be a franchise changer the way Embiid might have been. For Wiggins and Exum to become that, you have to assume a lot, not about their health, but about their game... it's Wiggins "if he develops this", "if he learns to do that", etc.

You could conceivably want to trade one of the high lottery pick for a current star.

[kshutts1]

Uh, how about Greg Oden? The last 'can't miss' true center prospect? The guy who looked so good he was picked over Kevin Durant?
The same guy that had three knee injuries? Yup. Not chronic.

But even IF we were to "admit" him to "injury prone" status.. that's 1 for you... 3 for me. And one player hardly makes something like "injury prone" legit.

It's just a media-created phrase. Nothing more.

[PJR]

If he suffered a lisfranc fracture, you stay far away.

[fatboy11]

So, let me recap (and someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this):

- Embiid works out for Cavs, with a skeptical Dan Gilbert in attendance.

- By all accounts, Cavs put Embiid through a tough, "hard" workout.

- Embiid crushes workout, potentially sells himself to Dan Gilbert with performance.

- Turns out Embiid had a fracture in his right foot and did all this?

[JohnnySic]

He'll end up in Boston, just like Sullinger.
:D

[JtotheIzzo]

So, let me recap (and someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this):

- Embiid works out for Cavs, with a skeptical Dan Gilbert in attendance.

- By all accounts, Cavs put Embiid through a tough, "hard" workout.

- Embiid crushes workout, potentially sells himself to Dan Gilbert with performance.

- Turns out Embiid had a fracture in his right foot and did all this?

fractures aren't breaks and some bones in your foot only hurt in certain maneuvers, but it is a ticking timebomb, and big guys with foot problems is NEVER a good thing, regardless of how young he is or how minor it may be.

[1~Gibson~1]

So, let me recap (and someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this):

- Embiid works out for Cavs, with a skeptical Dan Gilbert in attendance.

- By all accounts, Cavs put Embiid through a tough, "hard" workout.

- Embiid crushes workout, potentially sells himself to Dan Gilbert with performance.

- Turns out Embiid had a fracture in his right foot and did all this?
"Allegedly"

[fatboy11]

fractures aren't breaks and some bones in your foot only hurt in certain maneuvers, but it is a ticking timebomb, and big guys with foot problems is NEVER a good thing, regardless of how young he is or how minor it may be.

Understood.

But I wouldn't rush to label this kid has having "foot problems" (I know it could be possible). But I would think the label of "injury prone" is fair, though it's also possible that it's just a case of his body not being used to so much basketball. Most players have grown up playing the game their whole life and Embiid didn't do that. Just a theory.

[fatboy11]

"Allegedly"

Good call. Key word here.

[NuggetsFan]

The same guy that had three knee injuries? Yup. Not chronic.

But even IF we were to "admit" him to "injury prone" status.. that's 1 for you... 3 for me. And one player hardly makes something like "injury prone" legit.

It's just a media-created phrase. Nothing more.

Can't believe you actually don't see this as negative.

Do you know why players like Sam Bowie, Bill Walton, Bynum, Oden, Ming and whatever other big man has dealt with injury issues? Because massive people like that are more prone to injuries because of the stress it puts on there bodies. A foot injury is far more damaging to somebody 7 feet tall than somebody who's 5'11 or even 6'4. Even outside of basketball somebody that tall who hurts his back or feet has a greater possibility of further trouble down the road than somebody who's never got hurt.

Every player with chronic injury problems starts somewhere. Everyone had to have there first knee injury, or first foot problem.

Forget the fact that injuries hurt people's athletic ability and development going forward sometimes, but a 7 footer who's barely played proball has been seriously hurt twice now. One could suggest his body might not hold up, which for somebody that big isn't shocking. Maybe he ends up fine. It's pretty risky and when your drafting 1st overall some teams can't or won't do risky. They'll want to get a franchise cornerstone. When players as talented as Wiggins and Parker are available, Embiid getting hurt will play a big factor and rightfully so.

[hawksdogsbraves]

The same guy that had three knee injuries? Yup. Not chronic.

But even IF we were to "admit" him to "injury prone" status.. that's 1 for you... 3 for me. And one player hardly makes something like "injury prone" legit.

It's just a media-created phrase. Nothing more.

How about we just go through some number one overall picks who were bigs who had their careers derailed by chronic injuries.

Sam Bowie
Michael Olowokandi
Greg Oden
Yao Ming
Pervis Ellison

There are COUNTLESS big men whose bodies couldn't hold up in the league. People aren't designed to be 7 feet tall, for every Shaq there are 10 more guys whose bodies failed them.

The idea that 'injury prone' is made up is one of the most absurd things I've seen on here in a while. Some people aren't as durable as others, particularly when it comes to big men.

[r0drig0lac]

Worse case scenario is he's Greg Oden. He is consistently hurt and because of that never develops into anything special and is out of the league in 4 years or has a limited ceiling. When your at the top of the draft you can't whiff on your picks. You can't pass on the Wiggins/Parkers of the world for an injury prone big man. That's the rational behind it. How do these injury's affect him & his development and do you see it being a constant problem. Depending on how you answer those questions probably determines where you draft him.

Smoke screen would make no sense. Why would he and his agent try and hurt his draft stock? Unless he doesn't want to play for Cleveland or something. Even than that's a little much. There's no positive in releasing this unless he wants to drop.
this, cleveland have to go hard in wiggins, they are in no condition to go wrong this time

[R.I.P.]

Uh, how about Greg Oden? The last 'can't miss' true center prospect? The guy who looked so good he was picked over Kevin Durant?

How about Andrew Bynum?

Andrew Bogut. Brook Lopez. Eddy Curry. Nikola Pekovic. Nene. JaVale McGee. Larrry Sanders. It

[hawksdogsbraves]

After completely whiffing on Bennett, I just don't know if Cleveland can afford to take such a big risk at number one again.

If he turns out to be the next Oden, you're stuck with essentially ZERO production from back to back number one overall picks. Which would be insane.

[R.I.P.]

After completely whiffing on Bennett, I just don't know if Cleveland can afford to take such a big risk at number one again.

If he turns out to be the next Oden, you're stuck with essentially ZERO production from back to back number one overall picks. Which would be insane.

No, just another day in Cleveland.

[kshutts1]

How about we just go through some number one overall picks who were bigs who had their careers derailed by chronic injuries.

Sam Bowie
Michael Olowokandi
Greg Oden
Yao Ming
Pervis Ellison

There are COUNTLESS big men whose bodies couldn't hold up in the league. People aren't designed to be 7 feet tall, for every Shaq there are 10 more guys whose bodies failed them.

The idea that 'injury prone' is made up is one of the most absurd things I've seen on here in a while. Some people aren't as durable as others, particularly when it comes to big men.

Other than the fact that Bowie was not a first overall pick (doesn't matter for this conversation anyway), there are countless big men whose bodies could hold up, even after having injuries.

I'm concerned, but not enough for me to be swayed in my decision to draft him. I'd be more concerned if the injuries were to the same area.

And being "prone" to something like an injury is just a silly notion. Everyone gets hurt. Everyone plays hurt. Some players may get hurt more than others, but that is how life works. It's not a prone-ness. That person is not always going to have health issues. That person won't necessarily get hurt more the next year, or the one after that.

Whatever. Obviously agree to disagree. And I would never pick Embiid first anyway, but that's based on basketball, not two unrelated injuries.

[senelcoolidge]

Greg Oden says "hi". This will scare away people. Back problems and now a foot issue..yikes.

[Cocaine80s]

Other than the fact that Bowie was not a first overall pick (doesn't matter for this conversation anyway), there are countless big men whose bodies could hold up, even after having injuries.

I'm concerned, but not enough for me to be swayed in my decision to draft him. I'd be more concerned if the injuries were to the same area.

And being "prone" to something like an injury is just a silly notion. Everyone gets hurt. Everyone plays hurt. Some players may get hurt more than others, but that is how life works. It's not a prone-ness. That person is not always going to have health issues. That person won't necessarily get hurt more the next year, or the one after that.

Whatever. Obviously agree to disagree. And I would never pick Embiid first anyway, but that's based on basketball, not two unrelated injuries.

then what the hell were you arguing for anyways? just for the sake of conversation?

[kshutts1]

then what the hell were you arguing for anyways? just for the sake of conversation?
Arguing against the "merits" of being injury prone. End of the day, I'd draft players differently than the next guy. I'd rank the top 10 differently than the next guy. I won't convert many/any people to my line of thinking; neither will you. The point of this message board is to share and debate. That's what I'm doing.

And another point of mine is... if I previously wanted to draft Embiid, no matter at what slot, this recent injury would not alter that decision.

[Trollsmasher]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 21 sek.
The stress fracture is in the navicular bone in Embiid's right foot.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1 min.
Joel Embiid has suffered stress fracture in right foot and slated for surgery on Friday, agent Arn Tellem says.

he is done

[oh the horror]

His stock just went down the toilet.

[Johnny Jones]

Everybody saw this coming. It's unfortunate because he seems like a good kid and we all know about his basketball talents.

[Fudge]

:roll: :roll:

Must suck for RBA and all the other Cavs fans wanting this dude badly. Blessing in disguise. Dude wasn't gonna be all that great anyways.

Better off taking Wiggins or Parker.

[Uncle Drew]

Philly fans must be raging by now.

[KBaller33]

This happens ONE week before the draft. Wow. Everything just changed.

[DStebb716]

With Cleveland likely passing on Embiid and Milwaukee needing immediate help does this mean we're looking at Parker-Exum-Wiggins in that order? Reports are that Cleveland prefers Parker to Wiggins and Milwaukee really likes Exum and thinks he can make an immediate impact (moreso than Wiggins).

[AboutBuckets]

Philly fans must be raging by now.

This means we're trading Thad, our 3 pick, and definitely more to move up. Hinkie will stop at nothing to get Wiggins on the team, for better or (most likely) worse.

[NuggetsFan]

.


And being "prone" to something like an injury is just a silly notion.

It's really not. Somebody who's hurt is more likely to get hurt again. Thus prone to it. Somebody who's never hurt there foot has less of a chance of having foot problems as somebody who has. Somebody who played a small amount of basketball games and managed two serious injuries is more likely to wind up with an injury than somebody who's played 500 games injury free. Barring unforeseen stuff obviously. Of course it's not a guarantee but more likely. Just like if you have bad knee's, chances are your more prone to knee issues than somebody without knee problems.

People the size of Embiid are prone to injuries across all life in general, let alone in basketball. Your worried about a 7 footers back, feet, knee's because his size puts more stress on it than normal people. He's injured 2/3 so far. Kinda like how fat dudes are more prone to heart attacks.

[iggy>]

Now Lakers or Celtics will take embiid and he will become a hall of famer. Book it.

[BigTicket]

It's a damn shame, I was really looking forward to seeing him play for Cleveland. Now we should go for Wiggins, unless Philly makes a really great offer.

This also makes it less likely that Lebron will return to Cleveland.

[AirMike]

Now imagine if it happened after the draft...

[Meticode]

It's a damn shame, I was really looking forward to seeing him play for Cleveland. Now we should go for Wiggins, unless Philly makes a really great offer.

This also makes it less likely that Lebron will return to Cleveland.
This is what I was thinking. RBA should be happy. :oldlol:

[navy]

It's a damn shame, I was really looking forward to seeing him play for Cleveland. Now we should go for Wiggins, unless Philly makes a really great offer.

This also makes it less likely that Lebron will return to Cleveland.
No it doesnt. If Lebron returns to Cleveland it will be for sentimental reasons. Not because he expected a rookie to dominate the NBA.

[Jameerthefear]

F*cking hell. Someone might be getting Exum.

[AboutBuckets]

F*cking hell. Someone might be getting Exum.
Either Cavs (less likely) or Milwaukee (highly likely)

[Jameerthefear]

Seriously f*ck shitty ass Cleveland.

[Jameerthefear]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/479650504046551040
Cleveland needs to f*cking die already. Shitty ass team.

[BigTicket]

It wouldn't make any sense for the Cavs to take Exum at #1. If they wanted him, they'd trade the pick to Philly, the let Wiggins and Parker go 1/2, and then grab Exum with the third pick.

[KBaller33]

It wouldn't make any sense for the Cavs to take Exum at #1. If they wanted him, they'd trade the pick to Philly, the let Wiggins and Parker go 1/2, and then grab Exum with the third pick.

Can Exum play the 2? They already have Kyrie.

[navy]

the let Wiggins and Parker go 1/2,
Except they dont know if other teams want Exum as well....

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Cleveland should be happy they found out now.

Odds seemed close to 50/50 you were getting another injury prone center before the foot injury. I wouldn't touch this kid at the top of the draft now, assuming all of this is true.

[D-Rose]

It wouldn't make any sense for the Cavs to take Exum at #1. If they wanted him, they'd trade the pick to Philly, the let Wiggins and Parker go 1/2, and then grab Exum with the third pick.
Agreed I don't see why they would want Exum.

This news is tragic and incredibly interesting at the same time. We have no clue where Embiid goes now...Woj reported that Cavs doctors actually spotted the fracture in his foot. Crazy...shakes up the entire draft 1 week away!

[hawksdogsbraves]

The Cavs want to work out Exum for the top pick???

That would be the most 'Cavs' move of all time :roll: :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

The "Exum" stuff is just smokescreen.

[AboutBuckets]

The Cavs want to work out Exum for the top pick???

That would be the most 'Cavs' move of all time :roll: :roll:

Now that Embiid's assumedly out of the question, I don't think they're absolutely attached to any single prospect anymore. Might be a smokescreen to have Orlando trade up, who was reportedly in love with Exum. Could potentially end up with Afflalo + Vonleh, which IMO is more valuable than a broken Embiid

[1~Gibson~1]

The "Exum" stuff is just smokescreen.
I agree. If the Philly rumors are true (and Parker/Wiggins are off the board at 3) I wouldnt be suprised if we drafted him. But that is the only way.

Theres probanly going to be alot of speculation, guessing, and analysis over the next weeks or so but at the end of thr day we'll likely draft Wiggins (or less likely Jabari Parker) and that'll be the end of it.

[HylianNightmare]

Orlando

[Jameerthefear]

Orlando
plz no. too scared.

[RedBlackAttack]

Now that Embiid's assumedly out of the question, I don't think they're absolutely attached to any single prospect anymore. Might be a smokescreen to have Orlando trade up, who was reportedly in love with Exum. Could potentially end up with Afflalo + Vonleh, which IMO is more valuable than a broken Embiid
First, let me say this is heartbreaking news. I know all about this particular foot injury. It's the same one that nearly ended Big Z's career and forced him to totally transform his game to survive. I don't see how you can consider taking him now which is painful for me to say because he's my favorite prospect in years.

With that in mind, this news lessens the value of the No. 3 pick enormously. We just went from a Big 3 to a Big 2. I don't see any justification for making a deal for the third pick.

I'm also predicting Wiggins will now be the pick. Hard to complain about that, but wow... what a day.

[NuggetsFan]

First, let me say this is heartbreaking news. I know all about this particular foot injury. It's the same one that nearly ended Big Z's career and forced him to totally transform his game to survive. I don't see how you can consider taking him now which is painful for me to say because he's my favorite prospect in years.

With that in mind, this news lessens the value of the No. 3 pick enormously. We just went from a Big 3 to a Big 2. I don't see any justification for making a deal for the third pick.

I'm also predicting Wiggins will now be the pick. Hard to complain about that, but wow... what a day.

I kinda feel bad about giving Cleveland shit for winning the lottery now. It's crazy the amount of shit that happens to fly there way :oldlol: it's never ending.

[Jameerthefear]

I kinda feel bad about giving Cleveland shit for winning the lottery now. It's crazy the amount of shit that happens to fly there way :oldlol: it's never ending.
no. shit town cleveland still has the upperhand over everyone. orlando is in trouble now.

[NuggetsFan]

no. shit town cleveland still has the upperhand over everyone. orlando is in trouble now.

Yeah Orlando and Philly take a pretty big hit. Still every Cavs fan seemed like they wanted Embiid and he was there clear choice and now they can't really take him.

Watch 'em take Smart 1st overall and pull a complete wtf.

[Rubio2Gasol]

What's changed really?

He was a risk, still is a risk.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Can someone explain to me how he did an amazing workout on a foot he didn't even notice was broken?

[Jlamb47]

http://espn.go.com/nba/

Rookie embiid is having foot surgery this friday and wont attend draft

[Qwyjibo]

What's changed really?

He was a risk, still is a risk.
The back injury, while still worrisome, was a normal sports injury. This foot injury is giving the Cavs flashes of Big Z. While he still ended up having a decent career, you can't take that kind of a risk at #1.

[fpliii]

First, let me say this is heartbreaking news. I know all about this particular foot injury. It's the same one that nearly ended Big Z's career and forced him to totally transform his game to survive. I don't see how you can consider taking him now which is painful for me to say because he's my favorite prospect in years.

With that in mind, this news lessens the value of the No. 3 pick enormously. We just went from a Big 3 to a Big 2. I don't see any justification for making a deal for the third pick.

I'm also predicting Wiggins will now be the pick. Hard to complain about that, but wow... what a day.
First of all, my condolences RBA. I do still think Wiggins is a generational talent (as is Embiid), but he's obviously not a mobile, skilled, giant. Not a terrible consolation.

I'm wondering, is this career necessarily career altering? You'd mentioned Big Z, was his trouble the standard fare for this fracture? Or was he more of an exception? Is this the type of thing that will linger?

[CavaliersFTW]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :mad:

[navy]

Can someone explain to me how he did an amazing workout on a foot he didn't even notice was broken?
It is apparently a bone on the top of his foot. Either he didnt feel it or fought through it.

Or he broke it right before the doctors review.

[Clyde]

ah shit.

that's no good.

[Meticode]

First of all, my condolences RBA. I do still think Wiggins is a generational talent (as is Embiid), but he's obviously not a mobile, skilled, giant. Not a terrible consolation.

I'm wondering, is this career necessarily career altering? You'd mentioned Big Z, was his trouble the standard fare for this fracture? Or was he more of an exception? Is this the type of thing that will linger?
It wasn't standard fare as far as him being drafted. He didn't start having the bad foot injuries until after his rookie year. He was first team All-NBA Rookie. Played 82 games his rookie year and averaged 29 minutes, 14PPG, 52% FG and 8.8 RPG and throw in 1.6 BPG. After he got pass the foot injuries he was actually always health playing at least 70 games per season, but he wasn't the same mobile player as he was.

[Droid101]

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/joel-embiid-is-hurt-and-the-draft-is-descending-into-chaos/


We’ve spent the whole year arguing about Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Dante Exum, and Joel Embiid, but for the past month or so, Embiid separated himself from everyone else. It wasn’t close. Scouts raved about his footwork, his athleticism, his ceiling, everything. If you can look past the injury concerns from the past year at Kansas, there’s no question who the best prospect in the draft is. But now Embiid’s hurt again.

Jeff Goodman broke the news this morning, and Embiid’s agent, Arn Tellem, confirmed the report in a statement: “Joel Embiid suffered a stress fracture to the navicular bone in his right foot. He is scheduled to have surgery tomorrow. Joel will be unable to participate in any additional workouts, and will not attend the draft in New York. We will have no further comment until after the surgery.’

So there you go. What does it mean? Couple of scenarios here.

SCENARIO 1: This means nothing. The Cavs still take Embiid anyway. He’s the best fit for the Cavs roster, he’s got the highest ceiling, and maybe all the skepticism is just a smoke screen.

SCENARIO 2: The Cavs won’t take Embiid. El Jefe seems to think the injury concerns are real.



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Also hearing Cavs were scared off by Embiid's foot, now focusing on Jabari or Wiggins (Jabari is the favorite). Unbelievable turn of events.

And why would the Cavs need to put out a smoke screen with any of this? They have the no. 1 pick. They can just take whoever they want. I’ve loved Embiid since November, but you couldn’t come up with a scarier big-man injury combination than foot problems and back problems.

It also doesn’t help that this injury was discovered by Cavs doctors.



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Cleveland doctors discovered right foot injury in exams and passed info onto Embiid reps, sources tell Yahoo. Fear is a right foot fracture.

That all but guarantees he’s not going to Cleveland. Right? It’s one thing to find out he’s hurt, it’s another to have your own doctors discover an undisclosed injury in the physical.

SCENARIO 3: The Cavs trade the pick. If LeBron’s a real goal for the Cavs, why not? They should be calling Flip Saunders every day about Kevin Love. Doesn’t that make a lot more sense than taking Parker or Wiggins to play the same position as LeBron? Or they can flip this pick to the Sixers and try to grab additional picks later in the draft (or a few years of Thad Young). This all depends on how much Cleveland actually likes the other options, but of all the teams at the top, trading has always made more sense for Cleveland than anyone else.

SCENARIO 4: The Cavs take Parker. This is actually a continuation of the second scenario, but yeah. If the Cavs take Parker, the Bucks lose the guy they’ve wanted all along, and probably pass on Embiid to take Wiggins. That leaves the Sixers choosing between Exum or Embiid and his possible foot fracture. In this scenario, all bets are off. You could have teams trading up for Embiid, him sliding to the Celtics or Lakers, or the Sixers putting the future of the franchise in the hands of Nerlens Noel and Embiid.

We’ll see. This injury seems like terrible news for Embiid, but if he slides in the draft, that’s not necessarily as bad as it sounds. He could end up in a better situation, with less pressure, and without the horrible Cleveland karma hanging over his head. I think I’m dead serious about that last part. Even the Cavs fans I talked to the past month have been freaked out about the injury potential if Embiid went to Cleveland. It’s the Murphy’s law of sports: If something CAN break everyone’s hearts in Cleveland, it WILL break everyone’s hearts in Cleveland. If you subscribe to that theory, maybe this is great news for both the Cavs and Embiid. Maybe both sides are better off this way.

For everyone else? “We’ll know more Friday,” Tellem said.

Embrace it. We knew exactly how the top of this draft was playing out, and now we have no idea. One week to go now. Let’s do this!

[DonDadda59]

Oden 2.0 :(

[Duderonomy]

Let him fell to milwaukee. Cavs should take Parker to team up with Lebron and Irving

[ProfessorMurder]

Cavs should trade down to 3 or 4, get a piece, then draft Embiid anyway :oldlol:

[Rubio2Gasol]

What's changed really?

He was a risk, still is a risk.

Understood.

At the same time, I'm a bit skeptical about the risk of these injuries, even for a big man.

> The Oden case is unique - Oden could legitimately sue Portland's medical staff for screwing his career. Their amateur recovery methods and the imbalances they created are well documented.

> Yao is also unique case, with a long history of injury prone-ness , which was exacerbated by yet another incompetent medical staff. Bynum too, with a slightly better medical staff but worse injuries (and stupider)

Here's the thing:

Embid is a better athlete than most of the guys here, and, as far as I know, his injury history isn't as scary as these guys. To me, once you invest in competent doctors and trainers, that risk becomes quite alot less. Look at Roy Hibbert, how much red flags did he have? I'm guessing more than Oden, Bynum and Yao put together, but Indiana invests in really good conditioning coaches to help minimize that risk.

I would be very happy if he went to the Celtics, the perfect mix of great organization and good medical staff, or, at least, the availability of specialists and willingess to spend on them.

In some of these teams, like Cleveland or Orlando, he should definitely hire a specialist medical staff and trainers on retainer, because those guys just do not scream "job well done"

[Jlamb47]

Looks like Parker or Wiggins going 1 and 2 now

[Jameerthefear]

Understood.

At the same time, I'm a bit skeptical about the risk of these injuries, even for a big man.

> The Oden case is unique - Oden could legitimately sue Portland's medical staff for screwing his career. Their amateur recovery methods and the imbalances they created are well documented.

> Yao is also unique case, with a long history of injury prone-ness , which was exacerbated by yet another incompetent medical staff. Bynum too, with a slightly better medical staff but worse injuries (and stupider)

Here's the thing:

Embid is a better athlete than most of the guys here, and, as far as I know, his injury history isn't as scary as these guys. To me, once you invest in competent doctors and trainers, that risk becomes quite alot less. Look at Roy Hibbert, how much red flags did he have? I'm guessing more than Oden, Bynum and Yao put together, but Indiana invests in really good conditioning coaches to help minimize that risk.

I would be very happy if he went to the Celtics, the perfect mix of great organization and good medical staff, or, at least, the availability of specialists and willingess to spend on them.

In some of these teams, like Cleveland or Orlando, he should definitely hire a specialist medical staff and trainers on retainer, because those guys just do not scream "job well done"
what? what is wrong with orlando's staff?

[fpliii]

It wasn't standard fare as far as him being drafted. He didn't start having the bad foot injuries until after his rookie year. He was first team All-NBA Rookie. Played 82 games his rookie year and averaged 29 minutes, 14PPG, 52% FG and 8.8 RPG and throw in 1.6 BPG. After he got pass the foot injuries he was actually always health playing at least 70 games per season, but he wasn't the same mobile player as he was.
Oh I know about when it happened, just wasn't sure about the specifics. Did the doctors handle it correctly?

If this is actually a mobility altering injury, I think Embiid loses a ton of value.

[Black and White]

If Embiid falls to the Celtics......... :pimp:

[Rubio2Gasol]

what? what is wrong with orlando's staff?

Well my mistrust of them stems back to the Grant Hill idiocy, which, I have to say, has made me hate the organization somewhat. Grant Hill was a great player and we lost him over some utter bullshit.

But most recently, Dwight Howards back injury is very suspect. He complains about back problems for weeks but they only discover a herniated disc when he gets himself checked out by his specialist in LA? Sounds like medical staff dropped the ball.

[IGOTGAME]

Now Lakers or Celtics will take embiid and he will become a hall of famer. Book it.
This...I hope the Lakers somehow make a move for him now that he may slip to 4. Id bet the house on it. Go big or dont go at all.

[Nash]

philly on suicide watch

[RedBlackAttack]

First of all, my condolences RBA. I do still think Wiggins is a generational talent (as is Embiid), but he's obviously not a mobile, skilled, giant. Not a terrible consolation.

I'm wondering, is this career necessarily career altering? You'd mentioned Big Z, was his trouble the standard fare for this fracture? Or was he more of an exception? Is this the type of thing that will linger?
Let's understand what we're dealing with, here... this is being reported as a fracture in his navicular bone. Not only is that the same injury that derailed Z's career, it's also the same fracture that eventually led to Yao Ming having 12 pins to stabilize... effectively ending his career.

This is a serious, major injury.

Now, it could be that he has surgery and is completely fine. Or, maybe he has the surgery, rehabs, steps back on the court and it fractures again, ending his career. The unknowns are what makes this particularly scary.

I don't think it's an overstatement to say this is career-threatening.


There are two ways to look at this if you're a Cavs fan...

1. Obvious heartbreak. This kind of prospect is so rare in every conceivable way. And, I also really feel sorry for Joel. He seems like a good guy and he has so much damn potential it's scary. If his career goes the way of Yao Ming this early, it will be a major loss to every basketball fan whether they know it or not.

2. Relief that this was detected before the draft. I can't think of a worse scenario than drafting him, the fracture goes unnoticed, and then he makes a wrong step and his entire foot explodes with fractures (a huge risk with this particular injury).


Now, focus shifts... I need to figure out who I like between Wiggins and Parker. I've been so hyper-focused on Embiid, I haven't researched those guys with the kind of depth I'd prefer. I'm leaning Wiggins right now... that could change.



In some of these teams, like Cleveland or Orlando, he should definitely hire a specialist medical staff and trainers on retainer, because those guys just do not scream "job well done"

The Cleveland Clinic, which partners with the Cavs, is one of the best hospitals in the world. I doubt he'd be able to hire specialists that could outdo what he'd get at the clinic.

[Droid101]

Now, focus shifts... I need to figure out who I like between Wiggins and Parker. I've been so hyper-focused on Embiid, I haven't researched those guys with the kind of depth I'd prefer. I'm leaning Wiggins right now... that could change.
You got a week bro. Breathe.

[fpliii]

Let's understand what we're dealing with, here... this is being reported as a fracture in his navicular bone. Not only is that the same injury that derailed Z's career, it's also the same fracture that eventually led to Yao Ming having 12 pins to stabilize... effectively ending his career.

This is a serious, major injury.

Now, it could be that he has surgery and is completely fine. Or, maybe he has the surgery, rehabs, steps back on the court and it fractures again, ending his career. The unknowns are what makes this particularly scary.

I don't think it's an overstatement to say this is career-threatening.


There are two ways to look at this if you're a Cavs fan...

1. Obvious heartbreak. This kind of prospect is so rare in every conceivable way. And, I also really feel sorry for Joel. He seems like a good guy and he has so much damn potential it's scary. If his career goes the way of Yao Ming this early, it will be a major loss to every basketball fan whether they know it or not.

2. Relief that this was detected before the draft. I can't think of a worse scenario than drafting him, the fracture goes unnoticed, and then he makes a wrong step and his entire foot explodes with fractures (a huge risk with this particular injury).


Now, focus shifts... I need to figure out who I like between Wiggins and Parker. I've been so hyper-focused on Embiid, I haven't researched those guys with the kind of depth I'd prefer. I'm leaning Wiggins right now... that could change.
Didn't know it was the same thing with Yao as well. Wow. With two legitimate high profile data points, I don't think you can go with Embiid. He might fall quite a bit.

Four questions:

1) Is there any realistic chance you guys take Embiid anyway? Or do you think it's out of the question?
2) How do you view Wiggins and Parker in terms of potential? Do you think either could be a generational talent? Superstar?
3) I know you said you haven't researched either guy that much, but who do you think is a better fit of the two?
4) Somebody had mentioned something about drafting Exum and trading Kyrie in a thread. I don't think this makes much sense, but is there any chance you guys trade down?

[kaiteng]

There is still time to gather more information.

[DStebb716]

There is still time to gather more information.

There is no more information to be gathered. He fractured his foot. He's getting surgery.

[kaiteng]

There is no more information to be gathered. He fractured his foot. He's getting surgery.
For other guys :D

[Rocketswin2013]

Same thing that ended Yao :(

I bet Phoenix gambles on him with one of their many picks. If he falls that hard.

[AboutBuckets]

Same thing that ended Yao :(

I bet Phoenix gambles on him with one of their many picks. If he falls that hard.

Shit, if theres any med staff that can keep his foot from exploding it's Phoenix.

[noob cake]

Same thing that ended Yao :(

I bet Phoenix gambles on him with one of their many picks. If he falls that hard.

https://twitter.com/chrismannixsi/status/479712423318790145

Yao, Z, Walton!


You will hear this a lot: Yao Ming, Bill Walton and Zydrunas Ilgauskas all had navicular fractures in their feet.

Several medical experts have described Embiid's type of injury to me as serious. Say navicular bone is the slowest healing in the body

Ziad Dahdul, PT, DPT ‏@z_dahdul 2h @ChrisMannixSI Slow heal time is one thing, but bone also highly involved in stability of midfoot. Red flag for a 7-footer

[Take Your Lumps]

Now, focus shifts... I need to figure out who I like between Wiggins and Parker. I've been so hyper-focused on Embiid, I haven't researched those guys with the kind of depth I'd prefer. I'm leaning Wiggins right now... that could change.

With the first pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers select: Nik Stauskas, from the University of Michigan.

[Rubio2Gasol]

With the first pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers select: Nik Stauskas, from the University of Michigan.

:lol

Fat Black Guy + Skinny White Guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZtiJN6yiik&feature=kp

[Collie]

Why is it that we can never get good center prospects anymore? It's sad to see that all the hyped true centers all suffer from one injury or another.

[alenleomessi]

no interested in reading 10 pages i got 2 questions..
how long is he expected to be out and how much will his stock slip? out of top 5?

[Jameerthefear]

no interested in reading 10 pages i got 2 questions..
how long is he expected to be out and how much will his stock slip? out of top 5?
he could go out of the top 5. no one knows for sure tho

[1~Gibson~1]

no interested in reading 10 pages i got 2 questions..
how long is he expected to be out and how much will his stock slip? out of top 5?
Theres somewhat of a drop off in talent somewhere around #10 and the Celtics and Lakers both have top 10 picks this year so I dont think he falls past 10. If worse comes to reality and he does, Orlando is at 12 and would probanly want him.

[Phantom84]

I hope the Sixers don't overthink it and just take him if he drop to three. This dude upside is Hakeem.

[noob cake]

I hope the Sixers don't overthink it and just take him if he drop to three. This dude upside is Hakeem.

With likely case of being Bowden...

[SyRyanYang]

Let Orlando take him and if he turns out not as bad a few years later, he'll become a Laker.

[outbreak]

Let Orlando take him and if he turns out not as bad a few years later, he'll become a Laker.

he'll be forced into the lakers and stay until he can get the hell out of there for houston you mean?

[Phantom84]

With likely case of being Bowden...

The Sixers is absolute garbage now, so it is a risk we should take. I don't want a solid and safe pick. I want an impact player, and Embiid is that guy.

[Rubio2Gasol]

With likely case of being Bowden...

Who?

[Kujo]

Man, tough break for Embid, and Cavs fans. No pun intended. This is Greg Oden 2.0. No way can you risk the #1 pick on him now.

I hope the Cleveland brain trust don't over-think this pick, and just go with Parker or Wiggins now.

It's going to be fascinating to see how far he drops. Some team is going to get a steal if he goes out of the top 3, a risky one though.

[Phantom84]

Who?

He combine Sam Bowie who was pick second to Portland over Jordan, and Greg Oden.

[bdreason]

I wouldn't touch this guy. Back and foot injury and he's never tried anything like an 82 game NBA season.

[dgaras]

the only team that has any business drafting him is phoenix. he will never play much for any other team

[christian1923]

This has Lakers written all over it.

[stalkerforlife]

Bust written all over him.

His body can't handle the rigors the game of basketball has to offer.

I wouldn't touch him picks 1-5.

[Black and White]

Bust written all over him.

His body can't handle the rigors the game of basketball has to offer.

I wouldn't touch him picks 1-5.

Pick 6 will take him :cheers:

[DCL]

to go from a potential #1 pick to a full-time bust in 24 hours.

[chazzy]

This is crazy. How far are people saying he'll drop?

[stalkerforlife]

Pick 6 will take him :cheers:

Maybe worth a look at that point, unless the draft has some serious studs going that deep. I know there is a lot of talent in this draft, supposedly. I like Smart, but you guys already have a PG.

[veilside23]

is it possible that the cavs is just toying with the sixers ... what if embiid's injury is really not that serious i maybe wrong but cavs can do well in this draft if they want

they could trade the pick and get 3 + Young and get embiid at the 3.
or
they could trade it for kevin love straight up. The wolves will now be in the dilemma to risk it for embiid.

at the end of the day if the top 7 pics pan out embiid can still have the best case over wiggins.

I wonder what guys like hakeem , ewing , shaq did in the past they were able to play great for a long time..

Kids these days could very well be fancy enough . I think for future bigs you can be athletic but rely more on fundamentals dont do between the leg dunks even if you can easily do it. No wonder why TD is still very good because he doesnt do anything fancy at all.

[hawksdogsbraves]

is it possible that the cavs is just toying with the sixers ... what if embiid's injury is really not that serious i maybe wrong but cavs can do well in this draft if they want

they could trade the pick and get 3 + Young and get embiid at the 3.
or
they could trade it for kevin love straight up. The wolves will now be in the dilemma to risk it for embiid.

at the end of the day if the top 7 pics pan out embiid can still have the best case over wiggins.

I wonder what guys like hakeem , ewing , shaq did in the past they were able to play great for a long time..

Kids these days could very well be fancy enough . I think for future bigs you can be athletic but rely more on fundamentals dont do between the leg dunks even if you can easily do it. No wonder why TD is still very good because he doesnt do anything fancy at all.

The Cavs have nothing to gain by faking an Embiid injury. I guess in some crazy world they could fake it then trade to third for the 6ers first and Thad Young, but that is way too much trouble/drama.

Most guys as big as Embiid just have these problems. Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, those guys are freaks for managing to evade injury as much as they did. Humans just aren't supposed to be that big. It puts extreme stress on your knees, feet, and back, and those injuries often turn out to be chronic.

It's why good bigs are so rare.

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The Cavs have nothing to gain by faking an Embiid injury. I guess in some crazy world they could fake it then trade to third for the 6ers first and Thad Young, but that is way too much trouble/drama.

Most guys as big as Embiid just have these problems. Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, those guys are freaks for managing to evade injury as much as they did. Humans just aren't supposed to be that big. It puts extreme stress on your knees, feet, and back, and those injuries often turn out to be chronic.

It's why good bigs are so rare.

i think okafor has a chance next year ... not too flashy more on fundamentals ... there would be teams tanking for that kid for sure...

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i think okafor has a chance next year ... not too flashy more on fundamentals ... there would be teams tanking for that kid for sure...

Yeah, I know virtually nothing about him.

He's only like 6'10 though, not one of these 7 footers.