has kobe ever been the best player in the league?

[mehyaM24]

-lebron was already a better all-around player in 2006 (and took his team farther in the playoffs); wade had one of the greatest playoff runs ever; dirk and lebron both had better advanced stats (in the playoffs too, same with duncan); meanwhile kobe quit in game 7 and choked a 3-1 series lead WITHOUT the suns' second best player :facepalm

-in 2007, lebron took a mediocre cast coached by mike brown into the finals. nuff said

-lebron took the same celtics team kobe got ousted in 6 by, to 7 games, having a better playoff game than kobe ever has

top 3 since 2006 (shaq,duncan have been better than kobe every year before 2006)
06: lebron, wade, kobe
07: lebron, kobe, dirk
08: lebron, kobe, paul
09: lebron, wade, kobe
10: lebron, kobe, wade
11: lebron, wade, howard
12: lebron, durant, paul
13: lebron, durant, paul

discuss

[Jlamb47]

-lebron was already a better all-around player in 2006 (and took his team farther in the playoffs); wade had one of the greatest playoff runs ever; dirk and lebron both had better advanced stats (in the playoffs too, same with duncan)

-lebron took a mediocre cast coached by mike brown into the finals in 2007

-lebron took the same celtics team kobe got ousted in 6 by, to 7 games, having a better playoff game than kobe ever had

top 3 since 2006 (shaq,duncan have been than kobe every year before 2006)
06: lebron, wade, kobe
07: lebron, kobe, dirk
08: lebron, kobe, paul
09: lebron, wade, kobe
10: lebron, kobe, wade
11: lebron, wade, howard
12: lebron, durant, paul
13: lebron, durant, paul

discuss

your trolling hard

Kobe was best player in 08-10
u can argue for 06 and 07
and Lebron wasnt beest player in all those years.....2011 -_-
he choked in the finals

[ArbitraryWater]

2008 is his best argument...

I got 2008 for Kobe

[mehyaM24]

your trolling hard

by all objective measures, those guys all had arguments over kobe.

:confusedshrug:


Kobe was best player in 08-10

how? in those SAME seasons, lebron had better stats, winshares, winshares per 48, PER, and did more with less.

[KyrieTheFuture]

2008 is pretty much inarguable but besides that someone has him beat. This troll would be less obvious if you started with 2009 Bran. 2006 he was maybe top 3. Maybe.

[pastis]

2008 is his best argument...

I got 2008 for Kobe

its like the acadamy awards. actors getting the oscar for the leading role in a movie, cause they were the best. others only get the lifetime archieve oscar. and here is the analogy

[Jlamb47]

So you think Kobe was better than LeBron in 2009 and 2010 huh................

He won those 2 years after winning MVP
08-10
MVP
2FMVP
3trips to finals


Lebron was still a loser then
still choking
yes Kobe was better

stats dont mean crap to me when your having the best record in the regular season then not winning it all

[SOD 21]

Um, let's make this simple

[Jlamb47]

by all objective measures, those guys all had arguments over kobe.

:confusedshrug:



how? in those SAME seasons, lebron had better stats, winshares, winshares per 48, PER, and did more with less.

Lebron did more with less? did he win the chip? no
Kobe got a ring in 09 and 10
how did lebron do more?

[pastis]

[QUOTE=SOD 21]Um, let's make this simple

[Jlamb47]

Your only looking at the stats

plus only players u got are wade lebron kobe
Duncan
KG
Dirk
C Paul
Howard
all those names were great during some of those years

[PsychoBe]

by all objective measures, those guys all had arguments over kobe.

:confusedshrug:



how? in those SAME seasons, lebron had better stats, winshares, winshares per 48, PER, and did more with less.

how many finals appearances? :roll: :roll: :roll:

kobe went to 3 straight finals. also in 06' everyone was praising kobe's game. in 07' duncan was the best player in the league (neither kobe or bran) and we all know who it is from 08'-10'.

in 03' it was obviously kobe, 04' kobe again, bran could possibly have 05' (i'd have to look into it) but i've already explained the rest.

so from the time bran came into the league

03' - kobe
04' - kobe
05' - bran
06' - kobe
07' - actually duncan (but bran can get it for making the finals and being swept :lol )
08' - kobe
09' -kobe
10' - kobe

but i'm just talking about vs bran though. when we factor in other players i'd say kobe was the best player (in terms of pure basketball skills and being the better individual player than the rest)

01'
03' (tied with duncan)
06'
08'
09'
10'

[mehyaM24]

Lebron did more with less? did he win the chip? no
Kobe got a ring in 09 and 10
how did lebron do more?

lebron nearly took 2 mike brown coached teams to the finals....with his second best player either being mo williams or anderson varejao.

in the 2010 playoffs, pau gasol led the lakers in winshares and should have won finals mvp over kobe. the lakers also had phil jackson as coach

LOL

[Jlamb47]

Wait, you name MVP and FMVP? Why are you talking about seperate years?

I got Kobe for 08 as well, but there is no chance he was a better individual basketball player than kobe was in 09 and 10.. just none.

LeBron offered more. From scoring, to playmaking, rebounding, defense, efficiency, stats across the board, advanced stats, mvp's, doing more with less, etc.

ALright il give u the stats
buttttttt
how lebron do MORE then Kobe in 09 and 10 if kobe WON the WHOLE THING
?
What did Lebron do in 09 and 10? realized he couldnt win and left cleveland?
he didnt win anything but MVP

Kobe won FMVP and 2 rings
how is lebron doing "more"

[mehyaM24]

how many finals appearances? :roll: :roll: :roll:

no phil jackson or gasol to carry him....


kobe went to 3 straight finals. also in 06' everyone was praising kobe's game. in 07' duncan was the best player in the league (neither kobe or bran) and we all know who it is from 08'-10'.

in '06, lebron did more with less, having better stats and advancing further in the playoffs.


in 03' it was obviously kobe, 04' kobe again, bran could possibly have 05' (i'd have to look into it) but i've already explained the rest.

duncan was better than kobe ever was in 2003.

and shaq arguably had a better year than kobe ever has

LMAO at 2004...kobe cost shaq another finals mvp. why would you bring that up? idiot


so from the time bran came into the league

thats not the topic of this discussion. please read carefully? thanks





01' shaq
03' (shaq tied with duncan)
06' lebron,wade
08' lebron
09' lebron
10' kebron

ftfy

[Jlamb47]

lebron nearly took 2 mike brown coached teams to the finals....with his second best player either being mo williams or anderson varejao.

in the 2010 playoffs, pau gasol led the lakers in winshares and should have won finals mvp over kobe. the lakers also had phil jackson as coach

LOL

IDC what Lebron did, he didnt win a CHIP
If Lebron can win 66 games in regular season, he should be able to win games in the playoffs. Yal make exucses like he had the worst teammates. Lebron been the best 12 13 and 14
i would say 11 but after the finals when he choked i couldnt even say that cuz he was mentally not there
physically yes and playing outstanding but couldnt show up when it mattered.

[mehyaM24]

ALright il give u the stats
buttttttt
how lebron do MORE then Kobe in 09 and 10 if kobe WON the WHOLE THING
?
What did Lebron do in 09 and 10? realized he couldnt win and left cleveland?
he didnt win anything but MVP

Kobe won FMVP and 2 rings
how is lebron doing "more"

its doing more with LESS. with less being key.

what dont you get?:facepalm

[Ne 1]

Years you can say Kobe was clearly the best:

2006 - I don't think anyone else had a case this year. Kobe took his game to another level. Unbelievable historical individual feats, and his team overachieved, too. Phil asked Kobe to carry the team until they learned the triangle, and they ended up with 45 wins in what might be the most stacked conference in the history of the league despite that, and not much of a cast outside of Odom who was very inconsistent and didn't play like an All-Star until the second half of the year.

2007- Not as clear as '06 since I don't think he was quite as good, though he was close. This is the 2nd year in a row that I thought Kobe was clearly the best in the game. Duncan does have a case in hindsight, but I'm sticking with what I thought back then.

2008 - This year is clear. Kobe played his best basketball from an all around standpoint, his best defensive season since the 3-peat, his best job as a facilitator/play-maker ever, still a deadly scorer and he rebounded very well for a guard and this was his most mature, unselfish and intelligent ball. It's right up there with '06 as his best season. Literally every player in the league, coach, past legend, baksetball analyst etc. that mentioned about someone being the best player it was Kobe that season. The Lakers were 25-11 early at the time of Bynum's injury, Kobe kept them going until they got Gasol, then Gasol was injured and he kept them going and they ended up with the best record in one of the most competitive conferences ever. Kobe's balance between getting his teammates involved early and taking over later was reminiscent of Michael Jordan that season.


Years that you can argue he was the best:

2009- He was at least top 3. He has a case for top 2 behind LeBron, or even best player again, but I'd go with LeBron and Wade as the top 2.

2010- At least #2 behind LeBron. Wade's laziness allowed Kobe to get back to top 2 comfortably, and LeBron's quit/choke job against Boston was enough for lot of fans to have Kobe as the best m after winning a 5th ring and 2nd Finals MVP, but I still give the slight edge to James despite that) 2001- Shaq was the best, but it's worth mentioning after that postseason run the general consensus was that Kobe and Shaq were nearly neck-and-neck.

[ArbitraryWater]

ALright il give u the stats
buttttttt
how lebron do MORE then Kobe in 09 and 10 if kobe WON the WHOLE THING
?
What did Lebron do in 09 and 10? realized he couldnt win and left cleveland?
he didnt win anything but MVP

Kobe won FMVP and 2 rings
how is lebron doing "more"

IN THE REGULAR SEASON: bron did more with less...

and how can you not blame him for doing so in the playoffs?

he averaged 35/9/7 through 3 rounds while his cast when ghost... and kobe was supposed to be better?

In 2010 LeBron had one of the greatest seasons ever, averaging the highest APG of any non PG in history...

30 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists... another 1st seed with no all stars.

you dont honestly think kobe was a better basketball player do you?

put aside your bias and appreciate greatness for once, please.

[T_L_P]

How people can call Kobe the best player in the league in 03 I will never know.

From a pure statistical/impact standpoint, he has no case over Duncan. The guy wasn't even necessarily better than Shaq (so the Lakers had two of the three best players in the league) and they still couldn't get out of the first round.

Kobe has a case for 06, but he really underperformed in the Playoffs. His best case is 08.

[Jlamb47]

IN THE REGULAR SEASON: bron did more with less...

and how can you not blame him for doing so in the playoffs?

he averaged 35/9/7 through 3 rounds while his cast when ghost... and kobe was supposed to be better?

In 2010 LeBron had one of the greatest seasons ever, averaging the highest APG of any non PG in history...

30 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists... another 1st seed with no all stars.

you dont honestly think kobe was a better basketball player do you?

put aside your bias and appreciate greatness for once, please.


that explains my point
2/5
5/7

IDC about regular season

[LakersFan626]

by all objective measures, those guys all had arguments over kobe.

:confusedshrug:



how? in those SAME seasons, lebron had better stats, winshares, winshares per 48, PER, and did more with less.

Kobe came through when it mattered most though. LeBron QUIT.

I always take the playoffs into account as well as the mental game and overall game (footwork, jumper, post game, overall impact, etc.) when deciding the best player, not just stats. That's why Kobe was the best for 5 straight seasons, 05-06 until 09-10. Kobe almost beat the Suns with a much worse supporting cast than any of LeBron's (Mo Williams > Smush Parker and Jamison was equal to Odom then and people like Luke and Kwame Brown were much worse than Varejao and Z), won two rings as "the man", and his game winners alone brought the team from an 8th seed to a 1st seed in 09-10. LeBron wasn't even close until 08-09. Basketball is a mental game too, which Kobe clearly has the edge over LeBron in. Kobe did anything BUT quit against Boston in 09-10 while being DOWN, while LeBron quit against them while being TIED. LeBron never truly became the best player until the lockout season, which is ironically when he matured and developed SOME alpha mentality such as the last three games against Indiana in 2012, Boston in game 6 and game 7 against the Spurs in 2013. The closest he came to that before was in 2007 against Detroit...

So yeah, Kobe was the best player in the league, for five seasons.

[mehyaM24]

that explains my point
2/5
5/7

IDC about regular season

comfirmed kobe stan

5/7 = 3 of those are shaq's rings

low iq

[Jlamb47]

its doing more with LESS. with less being key.

what dont you get?:facepalm

I get your point. Kobe got 2 FMVP in 09-10 thats better then a regualr season MVP

IDC what happened or who had what on there team

[Jlamb47]

comfirmed kobe stan

5/7 = 3 of those are shaq's rings

low iq

im a Duncan Stan idiot. the PF that beat lebron twice in the finals

and 3 of shaqs rings?

shaq needed kobe just as much as he needed him

Kobe put up 30 8 7 in one of those runs
he was putting up numbers identical to prime Lebron

[red1]

06-08 strong case

[PsychoBe]

no phil jackson or gasol to carry him....

this guy :roll: :roll: :roll:

put kobe in the east and watch how much wreck he catch :oldlol:



in '06, lebron did more with less, having better stats and advancing further in the playoffs.

again, leastern conference. in 06' kobe was bounced by a finals contender. who knew him getting a win-less post-season pf would make them a championship contender?



duncan was better than kobe ever was in 2003.

if that's the case then he's lightyears ahead of bran was as well :roll:


and shaq arguably had a better year than kobe ever has

you mean in 01 when they both combined to be over 58% of the team's total scoring :oldlol: face it they were equal.


LMAO at 2004...kobe cost shaq another finals mvp. why would you bring that up? idiot

name a better player than kobe in 04' then. also consider how he completely dismantled the spurs in the round before.


thats not the topic of this discussion. please read carefully? thanks


01' shaq
03' (shaq tied with duncan)
06' lebron,wade
08' lebron
09' lebron
10' kebron

ftfy

01' was kobe. both phil and shaq said kobe was the best player in the lead.
03' same scenario as 01'. it was in 03' in which shaq called kobe "his hero".
06' they have 0 cases. kobe had a historical season.
08' - nba finals.
09- fmvp
10' - fmvp

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe might have won championships in 2009 and 2010 but he didn't really shoot the ball well. He really played bad in the 2010 finals but his team was still able to pull through. How many teams could win a game 7 when their superstar goes 6-24

[rlsmooth775]

No one in their right mind would take kobe over prime shaq.

[Stringer Bell]

Maybe never really clear-cut, but definitely arguable for some years.

[Ne 1]

you mean in 01 when they both combined to be over 58% of the team's total scoring :oldlol: face it they were equal.



01' was kobe. both phil and shaq said kobe was the best player in the lead.
03' same scenario as 01'. it was in 03' in which shaq called kobe "his hero".
06' they have 0 cases. kobe had a historical season.
08' - nba finals.
09- fmvp
10' - fmvp Disagree with 2001 and 2003, Shaq and Kobe were pretty close to equal after the playoffs, but Shaq was still clearly the most dominant player in the league. The consensus was that Shaq was the best, but later into the '01 season when Kobe matured, and after the playoffs the consensus was that Kobe was the next best player in the league. But I also can't ignore that Kobe was playing selfishly early during the '01 season. Also, for the '01 regular season Shaq should have won MVP over Iverson. I'm aware Shaq called Kobe the "best player in the world" during the '01 WCF, but Shaq says a lot of things...he said Hakeem was still better than him when they faced each other in the '99 playoffs and remember how he was taking down Kobe and talking up Wade when he went to Miami? Shaq also said in '08 that Amar'e was better than KG. Teammates often hype each other. Jordan called Scottie the MVP in '96 and said the Bulls were still his team. 2003 he was top 5, but it was a ridiculously good top 5 that year so that's no slight on Kobe. I have him just behind Duncan, Shaq and KG... Kobe and T-Mac are a toss up. I won't argue with 2006-2010 though.

[The-Legend-24]

2/5

[Hey Yo]

Kobe might have won championships in 2009 and 2010 but he didn't really shoot the ball well. He really played bad in the 2010 finals but his team was still able to pull through. How many teams could win a game 7 when their superstar goes 6-24
Some could if their team also received 20fta in the 4th quarter.

[MVBallin2K]

Years you can say Kobe was clearly the best:

2006 - I don't think anyone else had a case this year. Kobe took his game to another level. Unbelievable historical individual feats, and his team overachieved, too. Phil asked Kobe to carry the team until they learned the triangle, and they ended up with 45 wins in what might be the most stacked conference in the history of the league despite that, and not much of a cast outside of Odom who was very inconsistent and didn't play like an All-Star until the second half of the year.

2007- Not as clear as '06 since I don't think he was quite as good, though he was close. This is the 2nd year in a row that I thought Kobe was clearly the best in the game. Duncan does have a case in hindsight, but I'm sticking with what I thought back then.

2008 - This year is clear. Kobe played his best basketball from an all around standpoint, his best defensive season since the 3-peat, his best job as a facilitator/play-maker ever, still a deadly scorer and he rebounded very well for a guard and this was his most mature, unselfish and intelligent ball. It's right up there with '06 as his best season. Literally every player in the league, coach, past legend, baksetball analyst etc. that mentioned about someone being the best player it was Kobe that season. The Lakers were 25-11 early at the time of Bynum's injury, Kobe kept them going until they got Gasol, then Gasol was injured and he kept them going and they ended up with the best record in one of the most competitive conferences ever. Kobe's balance between getting his teammates involved early and taking over later was reminiscent of Michael Jordan that season.


Years that you can argue he was the best:

2009- He was at least top 3. He has a case for top 2 behind LeBron, or even best player again, but I'd go with LeBron and Wade as the top 2.

2010- At least #2 behind LeBron. Wade's laziness allowed Kobe to get back to top 2 comfortably, and LeBron's quit/choke job against Boston was enough for lot of fans to have Kobe as the best m after winning a 5th ring and 2nd Finals MVP, but I still give the slight edge to James despite that) 2001- Shaq was the best, but it's worth mentioning after that postseason run the general consensus was that Kobe and Shaq were nearly neck-and-neck.


Wow dude, an unbiased, insightful look into the actual topic at hand without any trolling. I don't want this to go unlooked cause you deserve credit, tremendous post.

[Black and White]

No one in their right mind would take kobe over prime shaq.

Nobody would take LeBron over prime Shaq either, I dont get your point here.

[brownmamba00]

from '06 to '09

[rlsmooth775]

Nobody would take LeBron over prime Shaq either, I dont get your point here.

Why did you bring up Lebron for no reason. Shaq>>>Lebron>>>>>Kobe

[Hey Yo]

NE 1 said


The Lakers were 25-11 early at the time of Bynum's injury, Kobe kept them going until they got Gasol, then Gasol was injured and he kept them going and they ended up with the best record in one of the most competitive conferences ever. Kobe's balance between getting his teammates involved early and taking over later was reminiscent of Michael Jordan that season.

Not taking anything away from Kobe but Gasol missed 10 games when he was injured and LA went 5-5 during that span. When he was in the starting line-up, LA went 22-5

[Black and White]

Why did you bring up Lebron for no reason. Shaq>>>Lebron>>>>>Kobe

Well, you used Shaq to measure Kobe as an argument, so I showed you that comparing players to prime Shaq doesnt really achieve anything as there is no player playing today that would be taken over prime Shaq.

[rlsmooth775]

Well, you used Shaq to measure Kobe as an argument, so I showed you that comparing players to prime Shaq doesnt really achieve anything as there is no player playing today that would be taken over prime Shaq.

That just proves my point kobe was never the best player in the league

[Black and White]

That just proves my point kobe was never the best player in the league

No it doesn't, which years do you think Shaq was the best player in the league??

Surely you are not dumb enough to say Shaq was the best in 06,07,08 and 09???

[TheBigVeto]

No, never.

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe was never better than young shaq or duncan. Also after Lebron's rookie season he was already superior to kobe raw and advance stats support it

[Mr. Jabbar]

trolling is not allowed, read the forum guidelines op

i will neg you in person

[rlsmooth775]

No it doesn't, which years do you think Shaq was the best player in the league??

Surely you are not dumb enough to say Shaq was the best in 06,07,08 and 09???

No im talking about early 2000s shaq. Lebron has been better than kobe his entire career except his rookie season. Duncan during those first three Spurs championships he was also better than kobe

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebron has been better than kobe his entire career

sometimes a ban is the only thing left to do

[rlsmooth775]

sometimes a ban is the only thing left to do

I know it hurts you thought Kobe was this special unique player and a 19/20 year old kid was putting in better production than your idol in his second season

[Black and White]

No im talking about early 2000s shaq. Lebron has been better than kobe his entire career except his rookie season. Duncan during those first three Spurs championships he was also better than kobe

:biggums:

LeBron has no case over him in 06, 07, 08

[aj1987]

:biggums:

LeBron has no case over him in 06, 07, 08
Both are debatable.

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:

LeBron has no case over him in 06, 07, 08


:rolleyes:

Lebron's 06 playoffs > Kobe's 06 playoffs
LeBron's 07 playoffs > Kobe's 07 playoffs

Bam, 2 fine cases right there... In the RS he posted better all-around stats too, with higher advanced statistics CROSS THE BOARD.

[Black and White]

Both are debatable.

For me, LeBron took over as the clear cut best player from 2010 onwards,

Wade was in the mix for 09, along with Kobe, 08, his MVP year I don't think that LeBron had a case, I will give you the debate in 07, but Kobe was still better.

[aj1987]

Years you can say Kobe was clearly the best:

2006 - I don't think anyone else had a case this year. Kobe took his game to another level. Unbelievable historical individual feats, and his team overachieved, too. Phil asked Kobe to carry the team until they learned the triangle, and they ended up with 45 wins in what might be the most stacked conference in the history of the league despite that, and not much of a cast outside of Odom who was very inconsistent and didn't play like an All-Star until the second half of the year.

2007- Not as clear as '06 since I don't think he was quite as good, though he was close. This is the 2nd year in a row that I thought Kobe was clearly the best in the game. Duncan does have a case in hindsight, but I'm sticking with what I thought back then.

2008 - This year is clear. Kobe played his best basketball from an all around standpoint, his best defensive season since the 3-peat, his best job as a facilitator/play-maker ever, still a deadly scorer and he rebounded very well for a guard and this was his most mature, unselfish and intelligent ball. It's right up there with '06 as his best season. Literally every player in the league, coach, past legend, baksetball analyst etc. that mentioned about someone being the best player it was Kobe that season. The Lakers were 25-11 early at the time of Bynum's injury, Kobe kept them going until they got Gasol, then Gasol was injured and he kept them going and they ended up with the best record in one of the most competitive conferences ever. Kobe's balance between getting his teammates involved early and taking over later was reminiscent of Michael Jordan that season.


Years that you can argue he was the best:

2009- He was at least top 3. He has a case for top 2 behind LeBron, or even best player again, but I'd go with LeBron and Wade as the top 2.

2010- At least #2 behind LeBron. Wade's laziness allowed Kobe to get back to top 2 comfortably, and LeBron's quit/choke job against Boston was enough for lot of fans to have Kobe as the best m after winning a 5th ring and 2nd Finals MVP, but I still give the slight edge to James despite that) 2001- Shaq was the best, but it's worth mentioning after that postseason run the general consensus was that Kobe and Shaq were nearly neck-and-neck.

So, LeBron "quit/choked" in '10, but Kobe didn't in '06?


For me, LeBron took over as the clear cut best player from 2010 onwards,

Wade was in the mix for 09, along with Kobe, 08, his MVP year I don't think that LeBron had a case, I will give you the debate in 07, but Kobe was still better.
This has already been done to death. Lets just agree to disagree.

[ArbitraryWater]

For me, LeBron took over as the clear cut best player from 2010 onwards,

Wade was in the mix for 09, along with Kobe, 08, his MVP year I don't think that LeBron had a case, I will give you the debate in 07, but Kobe was still better.

Feels like you wanna do the "10 onwards" just for the purpose of it being a new decade/era.. because honestly, the gap was bigger in 09 :confusedshrug:

[Ne 1]

NE 1 said



Not taking anything away from Kobe but Gasol missed 10 games when he was injured and LA went 5-5 during that span. When he was in the starting line-up, LA went 22-5
And they had the #1 seed in the West even before the Gasol trade.

[Cold soul]

2006-09 are best cases for best player in NBA.

[nathanjizzle]

stats :bowdown:

[Black and White]

Feels like you wanna do the "10 onwards" just for the purpose of it being a new decade/era.. because honestly, the gap was bigger in 09 :confusedshrug:

I didn't list 09 as a year that Kobe was the best, as Wade, Kobe and Bron were all in the mix, a case can be made for all 3 of them.

[mehyaM24]

:rolleyes:

Lebron's 06 playoffs > Kobe's 06 playoffs
LeBron's 07 playoffs > Kobe's 07 playoffs

Bam, 2 fine cases right there... In the RS he posted better all-around stats too, with higher advanced statistics CROSS THE BOARD.

im ok with people calling kobe the best player in 08. just but be consistent. what did kobe do that lebron didnt in 07 or 06? he didnt have better stats...he didnt take his team further in the playoffs...so what is it?

some arbituary bullshit like "skills"?

when it comes to individual players:
results > skills

[dubeta]

Theres no way a 45% shooter can ever be considered best in the league

Too inefficient, other players can put up the same numbers if they were selfish enough to shoot the shots

[Magic 32]

Lebron's 06 playoffs > Kobe's 06 playoffs
LeBron's 07 playoffs > Kobe's 07 playoffs

Bam, 2 fine cases right there... In the RS he posted better all-around stats too, with higher advanced statistics CROSS THE BOARD.

West

[Magic 32]

Kobe should have won the 2006 MVP for those three reasons: trapped on a lousy Lakers team, Kobe dragged them to 45 wins by averaging 41.0 minutes, 27 shots, 10 free throw attempts and 35.4 points; he also made 45 percent of his shots and finished with a 28.0 PER and 15.3 win shares. That

[truhooper]

Clear cut best? No, lol

[mehyaM24]

Kobe should have won the 2006 MVP for those three reasons: trapped on a lousy Lakers team, Kobe dragged them to 45 wins by averaging 41.0 minutes, 27 shots, 10 free throw attempts and 35.4 points; he also made 45 percent of his shots and finished with a 28.0 PER and 15.3 win shares. That’s an astonishing season when you consider his night-to-night burden.

- Bill Simmons

http://grantland.com/features/24-lingering-questions-from-the-nba-finals/

lebron had a higher PER and took an equally horrific team in the east further into the playoffs

anway, simmons also said duncan has the 2nd greatest career

he's a fullblown idiot

[Magic 32]

lebron had a higher PER and took an equally horrific team in the east further into the playoffs


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[Magic 32]

Shaq 00-02
Duncan 03-05
Kobe 06-08
Lebron 09-13
Durant 13-

[rlsmooth775]

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The west wasn't even that tough in 2006 compared to the east try another excuse

[Magic 32]

The west wasn't even that tough in 2006 compared to the east try another excuse

http://drlaurathompson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/06961-Laughing-horse.jpg

[Hey Yo]

And they had the #1 seed in the West even before the Gasol trade.
That was with Bynum.

Doesn't change the fact that LA was 5-5 w/o Gasol during his injury and 22-5 with him in the starting line-up.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

06,07,08 personally. but all are debatable.

[dc_chilling]

Shaq 00-02
Duncan 03-05
Kobe 06-08
Lebron 09-13
Durant 13-

Lol at Durant. Maybe in a couple years.

[Bob Dole]

maybe 08 but honestly chris paul was better than him that year.

Kobe is the most overrated player of all time.

All stats and unbiased research show this.

lol he's not even a top 25 impact player.

[dc_chilling]

Honestly though, Kobe has a pretty decent case for being the best player from 2005-2008.

He was doing so crazy stuff in that 2005/2006 season.

[Lebron23]

LMAO at Magic32 getting a taste of his own medicine. I think he had a good case for being the best player in the league in 2006 and 2007.

[theoneneo]

From 01-2011 Kobe was the best player in the league.

In that period...

4 rings
6 finals appearances
2 fmvps
1 Mvp
3 all star mvps
2 scoring titles
over 100 40 point games... scored 81in that stretch
Olympic Gold

Show me a player that's been better during this time period.... I'll be here waiting :coleman:

[dc_chilling]

From 01-2011 Kobe was the best player in the league.

In that period...

4 rings
6 finals appearances
2 fmvps
1 Mvp
3 all star mvps
2 scoring titles
over 100 40 point games... scored 81in that stretch
Olympic Gold

Show me a player that's been better during this time period.... I'll be here waiting :coleman:

You can't use a chunk of time as your argument.

That's like saying Tim Duncan has been the best player in the league every year between 1999-2014 because of his accomplishments over those 15 years. It's stupid.

IMO the best player chart since 2000 is something like:

2000-2003: Shaq
2003-2005: Duncan
2005-2008: Kobe
2008-2014: Lebron

[Ne 1]

Theres no way a 45% shooter can ever be considered best in the league

Too inefficient, other players can put up the same numbers if they were selfish enough to shoot the shots
Uh, Kobe's efficiency has always been excellent given his usage and volume. The league average for SG's is around 42-43%, Kobe hovered around 45-47% for most of his career. The truth is Kobe being inefficient over his career is a myth. He has always been efficient relative to league average, even in most of his highest-volume shooting seasons. In fact, he had excellent efficiency over his prime. He was at a excellent +3-4% relative to league average TS% from 2001-2009. That's as good as the "efficiency God" Dwayne Wade or 2nd 3-peat Jordan. At no point in his career has Kobe been under league average efficency and he takes many last second shots.

[red1]

08 is really not even debatable. 06 and 07 very strong case. Thus it safe to conclude 2006-2008 was the kobe bryant era. Very close to the top in many other seasons including the two following years

[Calabis]

-lebron was already a better all-around player in 2006 (and took his team farther in the playoffs); wade had one of the greatest playoff runs ever; dirk and lebron both had better advanced stats (in the playoffs too, same with duncan); meanwhile kobe quit in game 7 and choked a 3-1 series lead WITHOUT the suns' second best player :facepalm

-in 2007, lebron took a mediocre cast coached by mike brown into the finals. nuff said

-lebron took the same celtics team kobe got ousted in 6 by, to 7 games, having a better playoff game than kobe ever has

top 3 since 2006 (shaq,duncan have been better than kobe every year before 2006)
06: lebron, wade, kobe
07: lebron, kobe, dirk
08: lebron, kobe, paul
09: lebron, wade, kobe
10: lebron, kobe, wade
11: lebron, wade, howard
12: lebron, durant, paul
13: lebron, durant, paul

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