What's your realistic off season for the Bulls?

[kshutts1]

First, let me say that obviously getting Melo is the absolute best thing we can do, and I'd trade ALL of the following: Butler, both picks, Mirotic, Taj in order to get him if we had to. Anything less and I'm super stoked. But barring our getting Melo....

Step 1) Amnesty Boozer. Love the guy, he's hard working, doesn't deserve to be "cut", but he's just not worth his salary.

2) I saw one mock draft that had Nik Staukus falling to us at 16. Unless that happens, I want to trade both picks. Trade down to the 20-25 range and pick up a future pick, and draft Napier.

3) With the Boozer amnesty, we should have roughly 7-10m to sign players (not counting cap holds).
Try to sign Hawes, then Meeks, then Ariza, for between 5-8m each. Can only get one, and it's in order of preference.

4) Resign our main players... Augustin, Hinrich, and also Jimmer cuz he can shoot.

Rose/Augustin/Hinrich
Snell/Napier/Jimmer
Butler/Dunleavy/Brewer
Gibson/Hawes
Noah/Hawes

Team has a lot more spacing/shooting than last year, which will help open the court for players driving and also Hawes' and Noah's passing.

If we can get some growth out of Butler and Snell, Hawes continues to be the second coming of Brad Miller, and Napier is Hinrich but with better offense (which is how I view him)... then that's a solid team. Assuming/hoping, of course, that Rose is healthy.

What's your summer look like?

[kshutts1]

One minor self response/change is we could always keep both picks and just draft Napier at 19. That way, with 16, we can get a backup PF.

[tamaraw08]

First, let me say that obviously getting Melo is the absolute best thing we can do, and I'd trade ALL of the following: Butler, both picks, Mirotic, Taj in order to get him if we had to. Anything less and I'm super stoked. But barring our getting Melo....

Step 1) Amnesty Boozer. Love the guy, he's hard working, doesn't deserve to be "cut", but he's just not worth his salary.

2) I saw one mock draft that had Nik Staukus falling to us at 16. Unless that happens, I want to trade both picks. Trade down to the 20-25 range and pick up a future pick, and draft Napier.

3) With the Boozer amnesty, we should have roughly 7-10m to sign players (not counting cap holds).
Try to sign Hawes, then Meeks, then Ariza, for between 5-8m each. Can only get one, and it's in order of preference.

4) Resign our main players... Augustin, Hinrich, and also Jimmer cuz he can shoot.

Rose/Augustin/Hinrich
Snell/Napier/Jimmer
Butler/Dunleavy/Brewer
Gibson/Hawes
Noah/Hawes

Team has a lot more spacing/shooting than last year, which will help open the court for players driving and also Hawes' and Noah's passing.

If we can get some growth out of Butler and Snell, Hawes continues to be the second coming of Brad Miller, and Napier is Hinrich but with better offense (which is how I view him)... then that's a solid team. Assuming/hoping, of course, that Rose is healthy.

What's your summer look like?
I thought they have more than 14 mil to offer a guy like Carmelo.:confusedshrug:
anyway, Im at a loss on why nobody seems to take notice of Jodie Meeks...well except you and me (bec were both Laker fans too?:lol )
Heck this guy averaged 16pts at 40% from the 3pt line, 50% from 2pt area and is not a weak defender IMO.
So for me signing this guy bet 2.5-3 mil/year should be a priority IMO.
I like Hawes but he might be a bit too pricey so Im going with Jordan Hill for not more than 3 mil too.
I think Napier will be good enough backup and future.
Lastly, it'll be foolish not to resign DJ but only for the right and realistic price.

[kshutts1]

I thought they have more than 14 mil to offer a guy like Carmelo.:confusedshrug:
anyway, Im at a loss on why nobody seems to take notice of Jodie Meeks...well except you and me (bec were both Laker fans too?:lol )
Heck this guy averaged 16pts at 40% from the 3pt line, 50% from 2pt area and is not a weak defender IMO.
So for me signing this guy bet 2.5-3 mil/year should be a priority IMO.
I like Hawes but he might be a bit too pricey so Im going with Jordan Hill for not more than 3 mil too.
I think Napier will be good enough backup and future.
Lastly, it'll be foolish not to resign DJ but only for the right and realistic price.
My understanding of our cap space is that we amnesty Boozer and that instantly gives us 13-14m not accounting for cap holds. Those holds can be renounced, I believe. So that's easy to do. Then we could do some relatively easy maneuvering to get even further under the cap. I look at it as... we have 14m in "cash", with another 4m (or so) in very liquidable assets.. just gotta turn them in to cash, which does require some light work.

[kshutts1]

As another thought, I wonder if we couldn't get in on the Klay trade in some shape or form. Facilitate that with our 16, 19 and Butler going out to some combination of Minn and GS, while we get Klay. Doing that, we'd still have cap space, of course, to sign filler players like Ariza or even a big offer to someone like Parsons or Hayward.

[kshutts1]

Totally unrealistic notion (don't read this if you didn't read the second word)...

Amnesty Boozer, then Butler, Snell, Mirotic, 16, 19, unprotected picks in '18 and '20 for Durant.

Edit: I forgot to add Dunleavy to outgoing. He's needed to match salaries.

[tamaraw08]

Totally unrealistic notion (don't read this if you didn't read the second word)...

Amnesty Boozer, then Butler, Snell, Mirotic, 16, 19, unprotected picks in '18 and '20 for Durant.

Edit: I forgot to add Dunleavy to outgoing. He's needed to match salaries.
What about protecting Rose and Noah and offer ANYBODY (maximum of 3 players) including multiple picks to get into the Kevin Love sweepstakes?:confusedshrug:
Like their 16th and 19 pick plus Butler and/or Gibson, (include a future first rounder if you have to) with the assurance ofcourse of Love signing that extension:pimp:
You then have Rose, Noah and Love as your core, sign role players like Patty Mills, Meeks, Jordan Hill etc.
A Noah/Love combo would outrebound any other frontline, Love can hit those 20+ footers so he'll space the floor, also a very good passer etc.

[drwax26]

1. Amnesty Boozer
2. Trade Dunleavy for nothing
3. Draft two European prospects to stash in Europe for a couple of years with the 16th and 19th pick.
4. Sign Melo to a contract starting about 20 mill per yr (I don't think you get him for less than that)
5. Resign Augustin for no more than the mini - Mid level, hinrich vets minimum, lou amundsen vets minimum, FA C for vets minimum, Anthony Morrow(Shooter for vets minimum)

Starters:

Rose, Butler, Melo, Gibson, Noah

Bench:

Augustin, Hinrich, Snell, Morrow, Lou amundsen, Kaman(if he would resign for that cheap), Greg smith

[kshutts1]

What about protecting Rose and Noah and offer ANYBODY (maximum of 3 players) including multiple picks to get into the Kevin Love sweepstakes?:confusedshrug:
Like their 16th and 19 pick plus Butler and/or Gibson, (include a future first rounder if you have to) with the assurance ofcourse of Love signing that extension:pimp:
You then have Rose, Noah and Love as your core, sign role players like Patty Mills, Meeks, Jordan Hill etc.
A Noah/Love combo would outrebound any other frontline, Love can hit those 20+ footers so he'll space the floor, also a very good passer etc.
I don't like Love. If I'm spending max money, I'm spending it on Melo.

[tamaraw08]

I don't like Love. If I'm spending max money, I'm spending it on Melo.
Don't get me wrong, Im now not opposed on getting Carmelo but you prefer a 30 yr old guy and loves to dominate the ball and take the most shots(21 attempts) to be effective, over a player who is 4 years younger averages 26 pts, 12.5 rebs, plays better defense. wow. btw Love only needed 14 shots to ave 26 pts

[kshutts1]

Don't get me wrong, Im now not opposed on getting Carmelo but you prefer a 30 yr old guy and loves to dominate the ball and take the most shots(21 attempts) to be effective, over a player who is 4 years younger averages 26 pts, 12.5 rebs, plays better defense. wow. btw Love only needed 14 shots to ave 26 pts
I prefer a player that can create his own shot. Bulls don't need another player that is reliant on others to create for him.

[kshutts1]

With Lebron opting out...
1) Amnesty Boozer
2) Trade Rose to Orlando for the 4th pick (or Lakers for 7th if Orlando won't bite)
3) Not counting cap holds, we now have 30m in salary. Renounce players.
4) Sign Lebron and Melo to deals starting in the 12-max range (varies on if one is willing to take a large paycut or not). If neither is willing to take a big cut, dump Dunleavy's contract.
5a) Draft 3 players
5b) Trade all our picks to move up to 3 and draft Embiid. We now have a roster that can wait.

No matter which "5" option we take...

Hinrich/Exum/Napier
Butler/Snell/Jimmer
Lebron/Dunleavy
Melo/Gibson
Noah/Gibson/drafted PF at 16

Could also hope that players such as Hawes, Morrow, and Augustin are willing to sign for the min, or darn close to it, to win (I assumed Hinrich/Jimmer would).

[tamaraw08]

With Lebron opting out...
1) Amnesty Boozer
2) Trade Rose to Orlando for the 4th pick (or Lakers for 7th if Orlando won't bite)3) Not counting cap holds, we now have 30m in salary. Renounce players.
4) Sign Lebron and Melo to deals starting in the 12-max range (varies on if one is willing to take a large paycut or not). If neither is willing to take a big cut, dump Dunleavy's contract.
5a) Draft 3 players
5b) Trade all our picks to move up to 3 and draft Embiid. We now have a roster that can wait.

No matter which "5" option we take...

Hinrich/Exum/Napier
Butler/Snell/Jimmer
Lebron/Dunleavy
Melo/Gibson
Noah/Gibson/drafted PF at 16

Could also hope that players such as Hawes, Morrow, and Augustin are willing to sign for the min, or darn close to it, to win (I assumed Hinrich/Jimmer would).
I thought the word "realistic" was part of the title of this thread?:rolleyes: :(
How many teams exactly would be willing to trade their top pick for an injured player who hasnt' played in 2 years? BTW he is getting like 20 mil/yr as compared to a draftee who would get less than 5 Mil= salaries don't match.
Melo is NOT a PF

[kshutts1]

I thought the word "realistic" was part of the title of this thread?:rolleyes: :(
How many teams exactly would be willing to trade their top pick for an injured player who hasnt' played in 2 years? BTW he is getting like 20 mil/yr as compared to a draftee who would get less than 5 Mil= salaries don't match.
Melo is NOT a PF
True. I know that I undervalue picks relative to the general public... but I would rather have Rose, an ex-MVP that by all accounts is healthy, over a top pick. Particularly considering his young age.

As a Bulls fan, though, I'd do the trade because of the risk involved. How many other top stars are available for just one pick? That was my thinking. Gamble for both sides... if Rose comes back healthy, Bulls got ripped off. If he does not, other team did. If Rose comes back 75%... fair trade, IMO. But anyway, that was my thought process... risky for both sides.

[ljsbb27]

The makeup of this team depends on a lot of ifs.

There is what the Front Office wants and the targets have certainly been prioritized, but we're dependent on free agents choosing us.

I'd hate to play the waiting game with a top target while other players that would fit go ahead and sign with other teams.

Rose, Butler, Gibson and Noah I think will be here no matter what, but I guess Butler and Gibson may go in the right deal.

I don't see Love being a possibility because the other offers the Timberwolves have reportedly received are better than any package we can put together.

I think Melo wants to come here, but I think Melo leans towards NYC and stays.

So if we can't get either one of those what do we do? Do we still amnesty Boozer or no? Who knows.

Will Mirotic come over?

I think we amnesty Boozer to ensure Mirotic comes and then give him minutes.

There's a couple of intriguing guys who are free agents. The guys that stuck out to me were Lance Stephenson, Chandler Parsons and Greg Monroe.

Chandler Parsons would be an excellent addition, but he's restricted so it might be difficult to pry him away from Houston.

If we miss out on Love or Melo then I think we should make sure Dunleavy, Augustin and Hinrich return.

Rose-Augustin-Hinrich
Butler-Snell
Dunleavy- McDermott
Gibson-Mirotic
Noah-Mohammed

I'm worried this is exactly what it's going to look like. This is better than last year with a healthy Rose but not a contender.

We need another Center for sure to backup Noah.

We need to make something happen. Let's see.

[Upgrayedd]

I think getting Melo is realistic. I think he'll either stay in NYC or go to Chicago.

Boozer is gone if that happens, for sure. Either way, I think Booze is gone. I just read that Mirotic is more than likely going to be playing in the NBA next season.

The Bulls do need to get a back up Center for Noah. I think they should go after Okafor.

I'd be very happy if the Bulls roster next season looked like this:

C: Noah/Okafor
PF: Taj/Mirotic
SF: 'Melo/McDermott
SG: Butler/Hinrich
PG: Rose/Augustin

[Ronnie]

Augustin and Hinrich are fine , I don't have any faith in Rose nowadays .
Boozer might as well go away . We should really try for Anthony Randolph , Kevin Love and Derozan !!

[idizzle]

Bulls are looking at Ramon Sessions and Anthony Morrow. Mavs want DJ Augustin.

[kshutts1]

My updated offseason...

1) Amnesty Boozer, waive all non-guaranteed contracts, renounce rights to all Bulls FAs. This should open up enough cap room to do the following...
2) Sign Isaiah Thomas to a 3y/24m deal. He will back up Rose, be an energizer off the bench, and is also an insurance policy.
3) Trade Butler and Dunleavy to Pacers for a S&T Stephenson and a pick, protected top 20 in 2015, top 15 in '16, top 10 in '17, top 3 protected in '18, unprotected in '19. Heavy protections, obviously, but it could become useful, and those protections shouldn't make the pick a deal breaker.

Rose/Thomas/Jimmer
Stephenson/Snell/Jimmer
McDermott/Stephenson/Snell
Gibson/Randolph
Noah/Randolph/Mohammed

I may have missed a couple forgettable players, but otherwise that should be the rotation. Solid playmaking and shooting and rebounding, all being enhanced by the always-stingy D.

[ljsbb27]

A lot of things up in the air still.
Can't wait for all the dominoes to begin to fall. Starting to get tired of following all these rumors and nothing happening officially.

Still holding out hope for Melo, but I'm sure the Bulls have contingency plans in place.

I'd like for them to go out and get Stephenson, but I feel like he doesn't match the mold of a Thibs/Gar/Pax kind of guy and they'll stay away.

I do want to go out and get another shooter and a center as well. I'd like to see Augustin, Dunleavy, and Hinrich back as well.

If we just amnesty Boozer how much cap space does that give us?

Sign Stephenson, Morrow and a Center.
Bring back Augustin and Hinrich.


I'd like this lineup a lot:

Rose - Augustin - Hinrich

Stephenson - Snell - Morrow

Butler - Dunleavy - McDermott

Gibson - Mirotic - Randolph

Noah - Mohammed - Free Agent

[kshutts1]

Hard to say exactly on cap room, but I think it's about 13m if we amnesty Boozer. Though I could be wrong because of rookie contracts.

But then to waive non-guaranteed contracts, and we have a couple contracts that would be easy to dump... can definitely get up to the 20m mark pretty easily.

And I agree that Stephenson is not the typical Bulls player... but man, we need someone like that. I love that Nazr pushed Lebron down. Stephenson wouldn't back down, ever, either.

[ljsbb27]

A guy that I would really like and have wanted for a while and would fit in perfectly would be Chandler Parsons.

Everything that's been rumored to been going on for the last 24-48 hours might work in our favor.

Seems Lebron MAY go back to Cleveland and if he does then I see Bosh taking the Houston deal.

That might work in our favor on two fronts.
Maybe that means Houston won't match any offer they get for Parsons because they'll have tons of money tied up with Howard, Harden and Bosh.
So maybe we could pry Parsons away. A lineup of Rose-Butler-Parsons-Gibson and Noah is very appealing.

If Lebron goes to Cleveland and Bosh goes to Houston that might help push Melo towards our Bulls as well if he sees other teams improving and wants to come here and give himself the best chance to compete and win.

Just want this all to be over honestly.

We're adding a healthy Rose and Mirotic and moving Taj Gibson into the starting lineup as well as adding a great rookie in McDermott. Along with hopefully improvement in Butler and Snell's games and I'm already excited and optimistic for this upcoming season.

If we add one impact guy I like our chances.

I also want us to bring back DJ, Kirk and Dunleavy.

[kshutts1]

I have not watched much of Parsons, but can he create his own shot? Bulls need a second player that can create for himself and others... which is one big reason I love Stephenson.

And if Bosh goes to Houston, and Lebron to Cleveland, Miami will more than likely swoop in and grab Parsons, offering him 15m a year like Hayward just got (which is way too much).

Not saying Parsons would be a bad fit, at all... I probably have him around the 5-7 range on FA targets..