New report: obesity cost USA 300 billion a year.

[longhornfan1234]

http://news.yahoo.com/budget-busting-u-obesity-costs-094500454.html


This makes me sick. :facepalm

[kurple]

well done america

i bet nick young is proud

[russwest0]

i saw recently that mexico is actually the most obese country in the world.

damn america looks like we aren't #1 anymore

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wars cost America 100 billion a year

[Akrazotile]

There are a number of problems on the verge of turning crises domestically and globally but we cant confront them because it might HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS.

Its really fukced up if you think about it. Politicians wont tell people to get it together, theyre scared theyll lose the next election. Businesses, employees wont say anything, theyre scared of losing customers or getting fired.


Everyone is just waiting for the next famous white guy to say something racist so they can get out the soapbox and empty their cartridge of stones, bc thats all their social ingraination permits them to do. Or maybe a famous conservative will oppose abortion and they can fire away! Never confront someone with low income, never criticize a minority community, never question a democrat politician... These ****ing sheep are literally scared AF of being exiled from their "oooomg, i am SOOO smart and sensitive, everyone look how radically liberal I am, doesnt that make me cool??? Please tell me u think it makes me seem cool and edgy, PLEeeAaaseee..." little group. Theyre insecure weinies who NEED the approval of that group. They dont care WHAT the group tells them to think, as long as it means they get included in something for once in their lives.


And the culture of weenieness and insecurity and fear of hurt feelings is having grave consequences for our entire community. Its really messed up.

[Andrei89]

well done america

i bet nick young is proud


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[knickballer]

Not surprising. There's a fast foot joint on every street in the US and the more people eat the more $$ that goes in the economy. The gov't may say they care about how unhealthy and unnatural the food is at MCD, BK, KFC, etc, but that's just BS as these restaurants probably have a pretty big lobby and are allowed to make the food as unhealthy and addicting as possible.

Then there's the fact that actual healthy food is a bit more expensive and takes more time to cook and for the average american they've bought into the marketing campaigns of fast food joints that allows them to eat at a notice.

[russwest0]

lol it also seems like more and more everyday I see some shit trending on facebook of some fat bitch flaunting her fatness and shit. anyone else know what I'm talking about?

and if you call this shit out these fat ****s always refute with "some people just have health problems, not everyone can be skinny"

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

these are the dumb broads who try to diet for like two days, don't see immediate results and then just say **** it eat a whole tub of icecream the next day

[ALBballer]

Not suprising it's a mix of laziness (people would rather eat out than make something at home), Americans generally live in suburbs requiring a car to walk from point a to b, government interference (subsidizing corn and companies using corn syrup in all of their foods to make it taste better), etc

[GimmeThat]

Confronting traditions is not the popular task to do.

I think it's safe to say that culture is something that is continuously being worked on and developed. I.E. The supreme court, appeal process etc.

And if you miss out on culture and got stuck with tradition.


You are a burden to a society that is trying to strive forward.

This applies to all of us, just on different subject matter.

[GimmeThat]

Threw in the towel and sorry of adopted the mentality of "well I am the way I am so I may as well come to terms with it" and reverted right back to her old eating habits and not working out and shit.

I was really disappointed in her.


That is the debate on big/small government. Which, of course, policies can influence that.

[~primetime~]

I just got back from France...just about everyone there is skinny

the meals there are probably 3/4 the size of a normal US meal on average...US restaurants serve too much, we get huge portions of food that most never finish and it just goes to waste.

If I ever saw an obese person out while in France I automatically assumed they were an American tourist

[Trollsmasher]

lol it also seems like more and more everyday I see some shit trending on facebook of some fat bitch flaunting her fatness and shit. anyone else know what I'm talking about?

and if you call this shit out these fat ****s always refute with "some people just have health problems, not everyone can be skinny"

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

these are the dumb broads who try to diet for like two days, don't see immediate results and then just say **** it eat a whole tub of icecream the next day
you are against fat acceptance, you fatcist?:mad: :coleman:
see what I did there?

[ArbitraryWater]

I just got back from France...just about everyone there is skinny

the meals there are probably 3/4 the size of a normal US meal on average...US restaurants serve too much, we get huge portions of food that most never finish and it just goes to waste.

If I ever saw an obese person out while in France I automatically assumed they were an American tourist

Got tons of wealthy&good looking couples walking around in Paris..

You ever been to Vienna?

Home of beautiful women.. Guess a lot are also rich tourists

[oh the horror]

I just got back from France...just about everyone there is skinny

the meals there are probably 3/4 the size of a normal US meal on average...US restaurants serve too much, we get huge portions of food that most never finish and it just goes to waste.

If I ever saw an obese person out while in France I automatically assumed they were an American tourist



I always tell people you can eat mostly what you'd like if you just watch your portion sizes.

[~primetime~]

Got tons of wealthy&good looking couples walking around in Paris..

You ever been to Viena?

Home of beautiful women.. Guess a lot are also rich tourists
I have not been to Vienna. Yes there are A LOT of hot women running around in Paris, and everyone is very fashion and style conscious. If you're wearing shorts and Nikes then you had better be jogging.

There is a lack of deodorant in France though, body odor is prevalent. And men typically look unkept and ungroomed despite having good fashion sense. Also it seems like everyone smokes, so despite a lack of obesity I am not sure they are any healthier.

[ArbitraryWater]

I have not been to Vienna. Yes there are A LOT of hot women running around in Paris, and everyone is very fashion and style conscious. If you're wearing shorts and Nikes then you had better be jogging.

There is a lack of deodorant in France though, body odor is prevalent. And men typically look unkept and ungroomed despite having good fashion sense. Also it seems like everyone smokes, so despite a lack of obesity I am not sure they are any healthier.

Vienna was amazing.. mindboggling. Every few seconds I could have turned my head to check out the next dime..

As far as Paris goes, you accurately broke it down :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

lol it also seems like more and more everyday I see some shit trending on facebook of some fat bitch flaunting her fatness and shit. anyone else know what I'm talking about?

and if you call this shit out these fat ****s always refute with "some people just have health problems, not everyone can be skinny"

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

these are the dumb broads who try to diet for like two days, don't see immediate results and then just say **** it eat a whole tub of icecream the next day
yep. stupid fat acceptance bitches. being fat is a bad thing.

[Dresta]

Just because a 'report' or 'study' says something doesn't necessarily make it true. Especially studies like this that only bother accounting for one side of the equation. There are other studies that show people who live healthy and fit lives are the ones that actually cost society the most in the long run - these people are the true parasites of society. This is the reality when you take into account both sides of the equation and don't just select the statistics you want so you can make an argument for nannying the population.

Fat people, although repulsive and disgusting, really don't cost shit (relatively speaking). They die earlier, and elderly people, their medical costs and social care, are the biggest drains on public funds by some distance.

[Godzuki]

i'm not doubting we don't have a issue with obesity but a institute called Fiscal something seems like it has a agenda to paint this picture as bad as he can.

For him to even assign a lost money value to people who have died, based on obesity per person in lost money for USA, is rather ridiculous. that guy is probably like a tea party jerkoff.

also if you guys are going to pretend to police other peoples weights, you might as well do their green footprint, and overall activity as well. since we all pay for the roads, sidewalks, and other public fixtures people use and some tend to use a lot more....if you want to start making law along these type of lines at least.

[Jailblazers7]

Literally every lifestyle costs billions in medical costs. The cost that really matters is the downgrade to quality of life (self-esteem, social life, etc).

[~primetime~]

Just because a 'report' or 'study' says something doesn't necessarily make it true. Especially studies like this that only bother accounting for one side of the equation. There are other studies that show people who live healthy and fit lives are the ones that actually cost society the most in the long run - these people are the true parasites of society. This is the reality when you take into account both sides of the equation and don't just select the statistics you want so you can make an argument for nannying the population.

Fat people, although repulsive and disgusting, really don't cost shit (relatively speaking). They die earlier, and elderly people, their medical costs and social care, are the biggest drains on public funds by some distance.
:oldlol: :facepalm

those that die at birth cost the least and are the least amount of burden to the rest of us so they are the true humanitarians. :bowdown: dead fetuses

or better yet, :bowdown: People that never existed

[Akrazotile]

Just because a 'report' or 'study' says something doesn't necessarily make it true. Especially studies like this that only bother accounting for one side of the equation. There are other studies that show people who live healthy and fit lives are the ones that actually cost society the most in the long run - these people are the true parasites of society. This is the reality when you take into account both sides of the equation and don't just select the statistics you want so you can make an argument for nannying the population.

Fat people, although repulsive and disgusting, really don't cost shit (relatively speaking). They die earlier, and elderly people, their medical costs and social care, are the biggest drains on public funds by some distance.


This is true in some ways but IMO just because the government is too involved in financing the elderly doesnt mean we should excuse other people for being wasteful. The retirement age in our country should absolutely be raised, and medical expenses for the elderly have to be reigned in.

Our countrys balance sheet has become SO bloated with ridiculous entitlements and everyone thinks that just bc the money is there now (which it technically isnt but the effects on the economy arent as obvious rigt now) its always gonna be peaches and cream to run up bills on debt riddled programs.

Our democracy is RAPIDLY losing discipline and it is going to be a major problem at some point.

[MavsSuperFan]

There are a number of problems on the verge of turning crises domestically and globally but we cant confront them because it might HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS.

Its really fukced up if you think about it. Politicians wont tell people to get it together, theyre scared theyll lose the next election. Businesses, employees wont say anything, theyre scared of losing customers or getting fired.


Everyone is just waiting for the next famous white guy to say something racist so they can get out the soapbox and empty their cartridge of stones, bc thats all their social ingraination permits them to do. Or maybe a famous conservative will oppose abortion and they can fire away! Never confront someone with low income, never criticize a minority community, never question a democrat politician... These ****ing sheep are literally scared AF of being exiled from their "oooomg, i am SOOO smart and sensitive, everyone look how radically liberal I am, doesnt that make me cool??? Please tell me u think it makes me seem cool and edgy, PLEeeAaaseee..." little group. Theyre insecure weinies who NEED the approval of that group. They dont care WHAT the group tells them to think, as long as it means they get included in something for once in their lives.


And the culture of weenieness and insecurity and fear of hurt feelings is having grave consequences for our entire community. Its really messed up.
so can you honestly list what you would do?
What can politicians do about obeseity?
Do you support the bloombergs of the world? (enforcing health)

[Dresta]

Literally every lifestyle costs billions in medical costs. The cost that really matters is the downgrade to quality of life (self-esteem, social life, etc).
Agreed. So basically personal and self-inflicted cost rather than societal cost. It sure doesn't help their self-esteem that people like the fools who conducted this 'report' are now accusing them of being some grand burden to society, as if turning them into hate figures will help their social lives.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzt7oCFN3ek
80% of American families look exactly like that

[Dresta]

:oldlol: :facepalm

those that die at birth cost the least and are the least amount of burden to the rest of us so they are the true humanitarians. :bowdown: dead fetuses

or better yet, :bowdown: People that never existed
I think you'll find that's just about primary justification for abortion: that it eases the burden on society in it not having to pay for and support millions of unwanted children.

Don't laugh at things your primitive mind evidently cannot comprehend. It is a fact that the obese don't cost more money in medical costs (on average) than the healthy. And if you were capable of thinking for yourself, you would realise this.

[Akrazotile]

Agreed. So basically personal and self-inflicted cost rather than societal cost. It sure doesn't help their self-esteem that people like the fools who conducted this 'report' are now accusing them of being some grand burden to society, as if turning them into hate figures will help their social lives.


Information is information. If the World Fat Alliance wants to publish a report on what healthy people cost the government, theyre certainly welcome to. Never hurts to have all the facts. People have an interest in where government money is going.

[GimmeThat]

Fat people, although repulsive and disgusting, really don't cost shit (relatively speaking). They die earlier, and elderly people, their medical costs and social care, are the biggest drains on public funds by some distance.

Besides the fact that fat people, supports an eco system that probably isn't best for the country, but only for capitalism.

You can make it legal to not save someone who is in the emergency room.

Or you can make costly behaviors much more expensive.

"I shouldn't get punished for trying to get treatment. But I should be punished for trying to get myself more treatment"



Go figure that out.

[step_back]

I have a friend just like this. She wanted to lose weight and slim down, was super committed to it. So I tried to help her with tons of encouragement, took her running and to the gym with me, gave her dietary tips, basically functioned as her personal trainer etc. Then two weeks later when she stepped on the scale and hadn't lost as much weight as she expected to she completely gave up. Threw in the towel and sort of adopted the mentality of "well I am the way I am so I may as well come to terms with it" and reverted right back to her old eating habits and not working out and shit.

I was really disappointed in her.

Your weight is completely irrelevant. It's a joke that people still use BMI as an indicator of health and the scales for your overall weight. It's all about body composition. I bet your friend lost fat and gained some muscle which is a denser heavier tissue which made her result feel all that more underwhelming.

Giving up after 2 weeks is truly pathetic. Only liars can't find the time to get 15 minutes of exercise in each day.

[Dresta]

Information is information. If the World Fat Alliance wants to publish a report on what healthy people cost the government, theyre certainly welcome to. Never hurts to have all the facts. People have an interest in where government money is going.
They wouldn't because there is no demand for such a report, and because it wouldn't fit with the contemporary form of health puritanism that has become the established consensus. Reports like this exist for one reason, and that is to convince people that the expansion of government powers into the personal lives and decisions of it's citizens is in their own interest, because it's costing them bare monies. It also gives worthless human beings a means of making a living too, i suppose.

[~primetime~]

I think you'll find that's just about primary justification for abortion: that it eases the burden on society in it not having to pay for and support millions of unwanted children.

Don't laugh at things your primitive mind evidently cannot comprehend. It is a fact that the obese don't cost more money in medical costs (on average) than the healthy. And if you were capable of thinking for yourself, you would realise this.
Thank you Dresta for being a fat depressed slob who will have heart failure before age 50, we healthy parasites won't have to pay for you in your old age. Your willingness to avoid the gym is really putting others before yourself, thank you oh great one.

:bowdown:

[Balla_Status]

Fat ****s are the ones that should be discriminated against in society.

Gays can't help being gay. Black people can't help being black. 99% of fat people can help being fat. There are socioeconomic and health factors involved but for the most part it can be contained.

It's just as bad in England, Ireland, Australia etc. Fat ****s everywhere once you get outside the city.

[step_back]

People should take up skipping. A decent rope will only cost around $8 and you can get in great shape doing 10-15 minutes a day. You can do it literally anywhere and it's a low impact way of training as you only really need to bounce up and down on the balls of your feet.

I started doing it after my weight training. It's a brilliant way of burning calories.

[~primetime~]

also saying "long healthy lives cost more than short obese lives" may be true...but that doesn't take into account the fact that the average healthy life probably produces 10x the amount of money than the average fat fck who decided to sit on his couch his whole life.

healthy people PRODUCE and CONTRIBUTE more to society than fat slobs do...and I don't need to hunt down stats to understand that but here you go:

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/agbhggw4y0olxj-jefn00q.gif


shocker :eek: , the thinner and healthy you are the more money you produce

[B-hoop]

Thank you Dresta for being a fat depressed slob who will have heart failure before age 50, we healthy parasites won't have to pay for you in your old age. Your willingness to avoid the gym is really putting others before yourself, thank you oh great one.

:bowdown:

:roll:

:applause:

[Breezy]

Just because a 'report' or 'study' says something doesn't necessarily make it true. Especially studies like this that only bother accounting for one side of the equation. There are other studies that show people who live healthy and fit lives are the ones that actually cost society the most in the long run - these people are the true parasites of society. This is the reality when you take into account both sides of the equation and don't just select the statistics you want so you can make an argument for nannying the population.

Fat people, although repulsive and disgusting, really don't cost shit (relatively speaking). They die earlier, and elderly people, their medical costs and social care, are the biggest drains on public funds by some distance.

This. Fat people and smokers don't cost us nearly as much as people who live to 100 and collect social security for 40 years. If you die of a heart attack or liver failure at 50 your saving us money.

[KevinNYC]

Literally every lifestyle costs billions in medical costs. The cost that really matters is the downgrade to quality of life (self-esteem, social life, etc).

Also in economics wouldn't you consider the benefits? McDonald's revenue was 28 billion last year.

Coca-Cola had revenue of 47 billion. I'm at 65 billion just picking two companies.

[ALBballer]

also saying "long healthy lives cost more than short obese lives" may be true...but that doesn't take into account the fact that the average healthy life probably produces 10x the amount of money than the average fat fck who decided to sit on his couch his whole life.

healthy people PRODUCE and CONTRIBUTE more to society than fat slobs do...and I don't need to hunt down stats to understand that but here you go:

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/agbhggw4y0olxj-jefn00q.gif


shocker :eek: , the thinner and healthy you are the more money you produce

Not only that but healthier people tend to visit the doctors less and need less medical care in general.

[ace23]

Also in economics wouldn't you consider the benefits? McDonald's revenue was 28 billion last year.

Coca-Cola had revenue of 47 billion. I'm at 65 billion just picking two companies.
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[BasedTom]

The Final Solution can't come soon enough...

Fatties are poisoning the well and sucking the life out of Western Civilization

Hit the gym, m8s

[Fearthejameer]

USA spends money to help obese people

other countries dont care about the fatties

USA #1!!!!

[Lakers Legend#32]

Obese = Oklahoma

[~primetime~]

Obese = Oklahoma
http://iowafoodandfitness.org/wegrow/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/obesity-map-2013-2.jpg

Louisiana #1


Really though this is a bit misleading as Colorado (our thinnest state) is still obese. You can say "state-X is fatter than state-Y" but the reality of it is that the US as a whole is "fat".

[BasedTom]

http://iowafoodandfitness.org/wegrow/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/obesity-map-2013-2.jpg

Louisiana #1


Really though this is a bit misleading as Colorado (our thinnest state) is still obese. You can say "state-X is fatter than state-Y" but the reality of it is that the US as a whole is "fat".
In the "fittest" state, 1 in 5 people is still a worthless fat sack of shit. :( This is like the black plague of our era.

These people should be quarantined and detained into rehabilitation camps (with barbed wire and 24/7 staff and security) where they can slowly but surely learn responsibility and how to live in a healthy manner. Or they can stay there and spend the rest of their lives stuffing twinkies and donuts down their throats. Either way, SOMETHING must be done to ensure that the innocent and healthy are not affected by their irresponsible, immoral, and evil ways.

[BasedTom]

Oh go f*ck yourself.
Being fat is worse than being a junkie. A person can still use drugs like LSD, Heroin, cocaine and do so in a responsible manner and function as a valued member of the community. Yet the government infringes upon these natural rights to self-medicate like a responsible adult. Worse still, they coerce you into a corrupt system- not for your own benefit, but for their own profit. (pharmaceutical companies are making a killing)

A lot of people are food enthusiasts. There's nothing wrong with that. But the obese display their irresponsibly and negligence for all to see. They are objectively and undeniably less able to perform than those who are not obese. Egalitarian feel-good propaganda aside, they are less able to support both themselves and the community, and so they are an unnecessary burden.

This is an anonymous forum, so me telling you this is an act of kindness. I'm doing you a favor, because maybe you come from a pampered background where nobody has the courage to tell you how positively revolting it is to see and interact with fat people.

Hit the gym, bro.

[zoom17]

Oh go f*ck yourself.

fatass confirmed:lol

[Balla_Status]

Ooh good one! Let me guess, did you also f*ck my mom last night?

Nobody is making you deal with or be friends with fat people. Nobody is making you f*ck fat people.

There's no reason for you to give a shit.

The only thing worth complaining about is if you're sitting next to a 400 pound person on a plane.

Grow the f*ck up, or change something in society instead of just bitching on a forum.

If it's costing the US shitloads of money, it's a problem. It also makes America look shitty worldwide. Plus American culture and shitty food is spread in even the most unknown places in the world...it's a big problem.

Fat people are also slow and take up room on pathways as well as planes.

Pathetic as it is, being a healthy American is changing something in society.

[9erempiree]

Obesity isn't an epidemic in the USA. It is an epidemic all over the world. People like to make fun of Americans as fat but the truth of the matter is that the US isn't the most obese country in the world. That goes to Mexico and a country like England has over 23% of the people being obese.

It is prevalent in developed countries and even underdeveloped countries are seeing a rise in obesity as well.

[Dresta]

Thank you Dresta for being a fat depressed slob who will have heart failure before age 50, we healthy parasites won't have to pay for you in your old age. Your willingness to avoid the gym is really putting others before yourself, thank you oh great one.

:bowdown:
So now because i defend fat people's right to be fat i'm also fat? Just because i admit the FACT that obese people don't actually cost society and healthy people trying to live forever off social security handouts do, i am also a 'fat depressed slob.' Nice logic there. Keep up the ad hominem because your line of argument is bunk and it is really all you have.


also saying "long healthy lives cost more than short obese lives" may be true...but that doesn't take into account the fact that the average healthy life probably produces 10x the amount of money than the average fat fck who decided to sit on his couch his whole life.

healthy people PRODUCE and CONTRIBUTE more to society than fat slobs do...and I don't need to hunt down stats to understand that but here you go:

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/agbhggw4y0olxj-jefn00q.gif


shocker :eek: , the thinner and healthy you are the more money you produce
You are one seriously retarded human being. Fat people are far more likely to be lazy, ergo they are far more likely to to be less productive than healthy people. They aren't unproductive because they are fat, they are unproductive because they are lazy slobs who sit on their asses. Churchill was fat and yet he was more productive than 99% of non-fat people. Why are you too stupid to understand this?

You also don't account for the fact that people who are poor are likely to gauge themselves on food because it is the one of the few things in their lives that gives them comfort. You really have severe trouble thinking about things don't you? Any scientist will tell you that correlation does not equal causation. I honestly don't think dense pieces of shit like yourself who aim to live forever produce much of value for society, rather they are leeches that suck society dry. You should be proud of yourself being such a reprehensible leech while also telling people how they should be living and claiming they are draining society.

Ok, Mr 'i think i can live forever' - you really couldn't get more selfish and obsessed as that.


Besides the fact that fat people, supports an eco system that probably isn't best for the country, but only for capitalism.

You can make it legal to not save someone who is in the emergency room.

Or you can make costly behaviors much more expensive.

"I shouldn't get punished for trying to get treatment. But I should be punished for trying to get myself more treatment"

Go figure that out.
This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. Anyone else like to try?

[9erempiree]

Just read the article and it is full of shit.

[Smook A.]

Absolutely no ****ing surprise Louisiana is #1 for highest rate of adult obesity...

They got the most delicious food in the country :confusedshrug:

I went there for a week and gained atleast 15 pounds. Worked my butt off for a little more than a week to lose those pounds but it was totally worth it :pimp:

[Dresta]

Everything costs us a shitload of money though. The average person isn't going to notice a few cents of tax money going to healthcare for fat people.

America is built on greed and money, and our shit permeates the world no doubt... But isn't that more on the corporations making addictive food and spreading franchises worldwide than it is on the dumb people that don't eat better and fall victim to marketing? Other countries fall victim to that too.

:oldlol: Come on, pathways? Just walk around somebody, it's more exercise.

I agree that being healthy is what should take precedence, but what I'm saying is people need to worry about themselves instead of going on fat bashing rants. Worry about your own eating habits and exercise, nothing else is really your concern. It's the same thing as slut shaming and abortion and all the personal choice stuff. If someone wants to eat until they get diabetes it's on them. If a chick wants to f*ck a bunch of dudes it's on her.

Plus many people with weight problems already hate themselves and have psychological issues with food dependence. For the most part how is calling them pieces of shit going to do anything other than drive them into another box of Twinkees?
Although i agree with the second half of your post, what an earth does that bolded section mean, and on what basis do you make such a ludicrous accusation?

People eat because they seek pleasure. It has nothing to do with 'corporations' and everything to do with the predominance of utilitarian thought, which has dominated politics ever since the end of the 19th century. As smoking rates have decreased, obesity rates have increased, and this is because human beings seek pleasure and comfort, and corporations only provide for that desire. People weren't obese in the 19th century because life was actually hard then; pain was rife, and comfort was sparse, and people weren't self-indulgent in the same way they are today (because life was harder, more precarious, and much more uncomfortable).

edit: worldwide obesity has nothing to do with American culture 'permeating the world', and if you'd travelled you'd know that. In Tunisia (a place i've spent about 6 months in) pretty much every single female above the age of 30 is obese. why? because they sit around and stuff their faces with homemade cakes containing tonnes of sugar - what does this have to do with America? That is their own culture and way of life).

[BasedTom]

Everything costs us a shitload of money though. The average person isn't going to notice a few cents of tax money going to healthcare for fat people.

America is built on greed and money, and our shit permeates the world no doubt... But isn't that more on the corporations making addictive food and spreading franchises worldwide than it is on the dumb people that don't eat better and fall victim to marketing? Other countries fall victim to that too.

:oldlol: Come on, pathways? Just walk around somebody, it's more exercise.

I agree that being healthy is what should take precedence, but what I'm saying is people need to worry about themselves instead of going on fat bashing rants. Worry about your own eating habits and exercise, nothing else is really your concern. It's the same thing as slut shaming and abortion and all the personal choice stuff. If someone wants to eat until they get diabetes it's on them. If a chick wants to f*ck a bunch of dudes it's on her.

Plus many people with weight problems already hate themselves and have psychological issues with food dependence. For the most part how is calling them pieces of shit going to do anything other than drive them into another box of Twinkees?
I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with your post. "Nothing else is really your concern?" Well, as a citizen of this country, yes it is. You're post reeks of selfishness. "Well, as long as I suck up to my bosses from 9-5 and have a shitty suburban house with a shitty lawn, what do I care if poverty is rising, gun crime is through the roof, wars are being fought around the world, and inequality is rising? It doesn't affect me here in good ol' Shitcrapington, Massachusetts!" Newsflash: Yes it does. It may not affect you directly, but it certainly will indirectly affect you or your descendents should you have them. By standing by and doing nothing while the world crashes down, you are at as much fault as anyone else.

Does calling them "sluts" or bashing them for their unfortunate state solve the problem? No, they need to go through their own journey- and more often then not they need rehabilitation or help from their fellow man. When I'm at the gym and see a whale walk through the door probably nervous and embarrassed, I don't point and laugh at them. Why you ask? Because they made a conscious effort to improve themselves- and it's damn easy to give up at any moment. I help them out and show them the ropes.

Little things like that may not make a drastic difference, but if more people cared about society beyond what they think it owes them or how much they can steal from it, then the world we live in would be a much different place. It is not some emotional idealistic fantasy, but just a sense of categorical moral duty.

[Dresta]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with your post. "Nothing else is really your concern?" Well, as a citizen of this country, yes it is. You're post reeks of selfishness. "Well, as long as I suck up to my bosses from 9-5 and have a shitty suburban house with a shitty lawn, what do I care if poverty is rising, gun crime is through the roof, wars are being fought around the world, and inequality is rising? It doesn't affect me here in good ol' Shitcrapington, Massachusetts!" Newsflash: Yes it does. It may not affect you directly, but it certainly will indirectly affect you or your descendents should you have them. By standing by and doing nothing while the world crashes down, you are at as much fault as anyone else.

Does calling them "sluts" or bashing them for their unfortunate state solve the problem? No, they need to go through their own journey- and more often then not they need rehabilitation or help from their fellow man. When I'm at the gym and see a whale walk through the door probably nervous and embarrassed, I don't point and laugh at them. Why you ask? Because they made a conscious effort to improve themselves- and it's damn easy to give up at any moment. I help them out and show them the ropes.

Little things like that may not make a drastic difference, but if more people cared about society beyond what they think it owes them or how much they can steal from it, then the world we live in would be a much different place. It is not some emotional idealistic fantasy, but just a sense of categorical moral duty.
Firstly, poverty is only rising because we have been living beyond our means for some time now; also, when you talk about 'poverty' you are really largely referring to relative poverty, which is both an arbitrary and meaningless measurement. Secondly, i would like you to define 'society' and also how people can have the slightest bit of care for a 'society' that is comprised of 350 million or so people - it is not possible for a human being to ACTUALLY care about something so vast and abstract. If local communities hadn't been bulldozed by Federal and administrative centralisation then you would have a valid point, but with the current set-up it is impossible to truly care about society because no true 'society' really exists: it is just hundreds of millions of people milling around under the same flag, and governed by the same bureaucrats.

[~primetime~]

So now because i defend fat people's right to be fat i'm also fat? Just because i admit the FACT that obese people don't actually cost society and healthy people trying to live forever off social security handouts do, i am also a 'fat depressed slob.' Nice logic there. Keep up the ad hominem because your line of argument is bunk and it is really all you have.


You are one seriously retarded human being. Fat people are far more likely to be lazy, ergo they are far more likely to to be less productive than healthy people. They aren't unproductive because they are fat, they are unproductive because they are lazy slobs who sit on their asses. Churchill was fat and yet he was more productive than 99% of non-fat people. Why are you too stupid to understand this?

You also don't account for the fact that people who are poor are likely to gauge themselves on food because it is the one of the few things in their lives that gives them comfort. You really have severe trouble thinking about things don't you? Any scientist will tell you that correlation does not equal causation. I honestly don't think dense pieces of shit like yourself who aim to live forever produce much of value for society, rather they are leeches that suck society dry. You should be proud of yourself being such a reprehensible leech while also telling people how they should be living and claiming they are draining society.

Ok, Mr 'i think i can live forever' - you really couldn't get more selfish and obsessed as that.


This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. Anyone else like to try?
Wow you must be pretty fat, can you see your own cawk or do you need a mirror for that?

[Dresta]

Wow you must be pretty fat, can you see your own cawk or do you need a mirror for that?
Just the kind of childish response i would expect from someone with the intelligence of a gnat.

You are the worst kind of former addict: one who exudes a holier-than-thou attitude towards others just because he kicked his pitiful habit, thinks his ability to do so makes him strong and superior, and also thinks he has the right to tell other people what they should be doing just because he couldn't handle his shit. Reality check: not everyone is like you, and plenty of human beings can control themselves better than you could ever hope. Keep up that abstinence, it must be fun; the rest of us will enjoy ourselves to our heart's content without becoming deranged alcoholics or drug addicts. You should try not to be so jealous of others having a good time simply because you can't control yourself.

But yeah... keep telling people how they should live their lives you worthless alcoholic, drunk-driving peace of shit :applause:.

[~primetime~]

Just the kind of childish response i would expect from someone with the intelligence of a gnat.

You are the worst kind of former addict: one who exudes a holier-than-thou attitude towards others just because he kicked his pitiful habit, thinks his ability to do so makes him strong and superior, and also thinks he has the right to tell other people what they should be doing just because he couldn't handle his shit. Reality check: not everyone is like you, and plenty of human beings can control themselves better than you could ever hope. Keep up that abstinence, it must be fun; the rest of us will enjoy ourselves to our heart's content without becoming deranged alcoholics or drug addicts. You should try not to be so jealous of others having a good time simply because you can't control yourself.

But yeah... keep telling people how they should live their lives you worthless alcoholic, drunk-driving peace of shit :applause:.
So you're saying you do need a mirror to see your cawk? Maybe more than one mirror even? Do you have a room dedicated to that, where you walk in and multiple mirrors align so that you can check your junk out?, you know make sure your testicles are still there and all that?

[masonanddixon]

I'm an actual doctor and obesity, smoking, and alcohol don't bother me one bit.

The true outrage is people who shouldn't be having kids who have multiple kids and people who are selfish enough to have more than 2 or 3 children. That's a much larger threat to society, and more importantly, the environment.

[Nanners]

Just the kind of childish response i would expect from someone with the intelligence of a gnat.

followed up by


.....blah blah blah, childish response full of personal attacks

pot, meet kettle

[Stempel, HERB]

followed up by


pot, meet kettle

Personal attacks are the sweet spot of message board humor. No one gets to decide what kind of attention they draw onto themselves if they're whoring for it on the internet. ~shittime~ needs to be humbled more often, but his West Texas Ignorance is a sturdy shield.

[Nanners]

Personal attacks are the sweet spot of message board humor. No one gets to decide what kind of attention they draw onto themselves if they're whoring for it on the internet. ~shittime~ needs to be humbled more often, but his West Texas Ignorance is a sturdy shield.

hey i got no problems with personal attacks. just thought it was funny seeing idiot dresta call out primetimes intelligence because he made a "childish response" and immediately follow it up with a childish response of his own.

[iamgine]

Well employers need to stop hiring obese people.

If they have no job, either they can't buy food so they slim down.

Or they eat the bad, cheap food so they die quicker.

Either way, less obese people.

[~primetime~]

Personal attacks are the sweet spot of message board humor. No one gets to decide what kind of attention they draw onto themselves if they're whoring for it on the internet. ~shittime~ needs to be humbled more often, but his West Texas Ignorance is a sturdy shield.
"West Texas"? I live in Dallas.

[Dresta]

I didn't word that part well, and that's my fault.

He was claiming that we as a culture are a bad influence on the world because we're fat. We are spreading fast food around the world, and that's part of the problem, but other places eat like shit too with or without us. We aren't the end all be all of fatness in the world. Like you said people eat like shit wherever and with whatever they have... Same with alcohol or drugs. People are going to do it. The modern workload is lesser as well, so instead of everybody farming and working their asses off. We have people sitting at desks.

General fatness is a problem for 3 reasons:

1. People are generally pretty stupid, they're susceptible to advertisements and being taken advantage of. They seek pleasure or mask pain with food.

2. Corporations are also at fault because they try to reap as much profit as possible. Many use the shittiest ingredients they can get away with, they purposely make things addictive and impossible to satiate, and they mostly don't care what happens to the consumers as long as they can keep buying the product for an indeterminate amount of time.

3. The government itself could put tighter restrictions on food i.e. the NYC soda ban, and educate kids more while they're in school. If people were told, "No" when they wanted to buy a 2 liter of soda or if 2 liters didn't exist at all we would be in a better spot. I mean Europe is far better than us with banning chemical additives and shit.

It's ultimately up to the individual on what they put in themselves, but there is some blame to be spread around.
Although those things likely all play a role, i think the crux of the problem is far simpler than that. In America, for the most part, food is abundant and plentiful, whereas physical activity is sparse. Americans drive everywhere, and this is not entirely their fault as many American cities are designed to be car-friendly, and certainly aren't built for walking or cycling places. So in the end, it's just eating too much food, and sitting on your arse far too long that is the problem (seeking of comfort and ease, avoidance of discomfort and pain). Yes, food portions are far bigger in America, and you tend to get much more for your money, but that is a good thing in my eyes, and i don't see why everyone should be penalised economically because of the irresponsibility of other people.

The other problem is that we live in an era of the indulgence of children; many parents are now incapable or unwilling to exert proper discipline, to say no, instead giving into every whim of their child, and obviously, kids love sweet stuff. It makes parenting easier basically. I'm not sure educating kids would help all that much as children can't really conceive long-term consequences, and will more often than not give into their desires, demand sweets and candy et cetera. It is parents that have to be held responsible, and raising a child to be obese needs to start being seen as a form of child abuse, because that's what it is in the end: it can utterly ruin their lives before they've even started.


So you're saying you do need a mirror to see your cawk? Maybe more than one mirror even? Do you have a room dedicated to that, where you walk in and multiple mirrors align so that you can check your junk out?, you know make sure your testicles are still there and all that?
:wtf:

Do you actually think that is funny? You poor, deluded soul, you.

hey i got no problems with personal attacks. just thought it was funny seeing idiot dresta call out primetimes intelligence because he made a "childish response" and immediately follow it up with a childish response of his own.
erm.. i wrote a longish post explaining how and why primetime was wrong (as he usually is) and how he had repeatedly mistaken correlation for causality, and all he replied with was 'you must be really fat' - are you telling me that isn't childish?

Nor was anything in my response childish: it was all true. Primetime (if he had the power) would prevent you and everyone else from ever having a drink, just because HE can't control himself (relevant to the topic at hand). He is constantly telling people that they should be living as he does, and for the things he enjoys, because he is a selfish and solipsistic asshole. I've observed that on this forum, based on what he's said on it; on the other hand primetime just flung unfounded playground talk back in my direction because he is too lacking in intelligence to formulate a proper response.

That clear it up for you?

[~primetime~]

Lol, wtf does me preventing others from drinking have to do with anything?

Stay on topic, why are you so fckin fat? Using food to comfort your depression is an excuse to you? Maybe you wouldn't be depressed if you could see your own p*nis. Wait nvm, that would be depressing as well, you're in a no-win situation.

[KevinNYC]

"West Texas"? I live in Dallas.

I'm going to West Texas, teardrops in my eyes.

[NZStreetBaller]

At the end of the day it comes down to the individual and their decison to consume the fat shit yeah its out there and available so is healthy food.

The fact that some people blame the government for not doing something about it is ridiculous. Now i dont expect americans to be genius's but im pretty sure that its common sense that fast foods eaten on a large scale will in fact make you fat unhealthy and die young.

The fact that fat people refuse to personally do something about it and expect not to be judged is crazy.

[kNIOKAS]

I've listened to the great podcast recently, where they discussed the obesity and the foods. They talked about how marginal are the rates of people sustaining their smaller weight after going through the programs - the relapse is absolutely enourmous!

IIRC, it's like 6% of people enlisted in programs (such as weightwatchers or whatever) actually do get to the normal weight, and 4% of those 6% stay in the normal weight! All the others get back to being fatties.

Now, I may be wrong with numbers, so just listen for yourself:
https://soundcloud.com/crackedpod/the-food-industry

What does it tell is that:
Being fat has little to do with not having will to eat less, or eat different type of food. Fat food is somewhat addictive, too, as it is suggested in the pod.


That makes all the fat shaming is this thread to just be ignorant emotional self-rightiousness projected by you in particular.

[steve franchise]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?

[Balla_Status]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?

Bad food is addictive which is also bad diet. I'll listen later but doesn't sound like anything new.

[step_back]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?

It's more than likely they return to their old eating habits. People need to realize that candy, soda's and Pizza etc are never going to be good for you. You can't have these things in your diet on a regular basis and not expect to get fat.

Prevention should be the way of combating this problem. Teach nutrition in schools from a young age, Sports or some kind of physical education should be compulsory. I don't know about America but here in England you can drop Physical education at 13 years old. I did and it meant I had around 2 hours of exercise per week. That's no way near enough.

Wouldn't it be a good idea if insurance companies and gyms worked out a deal that gave you a cheaper gym membership as part of your cover? :confusedshrug:

[kNIOKAS]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?
It is, but it is pretty much beyond control for a regular person.

Maybe I'm going to make it more ambigious, but let me compare this with people from the poor neighbourhoods that are born in them, stay in them, commit crime in them and they never leave.

Some might say well, they need to man up, get a job, work hard, pull themselves by their bootstraps, therefore it's up to the individual to make out of the ghetto. Thing is, being born in that culture actively prevents you from doing any of that, as one cannot form work ethics, see good role models around and receive the conditioning of achievement in life. It is an exception for a person to actually get out of that circle.

Similarly with the fat food, if a person does not have culture of eating normal food or does not have money for it, one gets into the cycle of eating fat food, which might be addictive, and then only so much is under his control.

Treat it as an addiction for the shortcut to understanding the situation, and have in mind that it is abnormal for a human being to get out of it.

[kNIOKAS]

It's more than likely they return to their old eating habits. People need to realize that candy, soda's and Pizza etc are never going to be good for you. You can't have these things in your diet on a regular basis and not expect to get fat.

Prevention should be the way of combating this problem. Teach nutrition in schools from a young age, Sports or some kind of physical education should be compulsory. I don't know about America but here in England you can drop Physical education at 13 years old. I did and it meant I had around 2 hours of exercise per week. That's no way near enough.

Wouldn't it be a good idea if insurance companies and gyms worked out a deal that gave you a cheaper gym membership as part of your cover? :confusedshrug:
Maybe these ideas are good.

However I've heard a case made against differentiating between health status in insurance. Say somebody is taking up a dangerous sport/activity, OR eating fat and is definitely going to catch a cardio disease or whatever. Why should regular folks pay for that slob's habits?

The slope is that it eventually might turn out that only rich can actually do things they choose, because if you put price on everything there is, to have an affordable insurance would take living the simpliest life possible. So, not many liberties around. See where it's going?

[ZenMaster]

Maybe these ideas are good.

However I've heard a case made against differentiating between health status in insurance. Say somebody is taking up a dangerous sport/activity, OR eating fat and is definitely going to catch a cardio disease or whatever. Why should regular folks pay for that slob's habits?

The slope is that it eventually might turn out that only rich can actually do things they choose, because if you put price on everything there is, to have an affordable insurance would take living the simpliest life possible. So, not many liberties around. See where it's going?

You could do whatever, but as long every time you take a drive or turn on the tv there are signs and adds telling you to fast food it won't change much, not when all you have to do is pull off the road for 5-10 minutes and you'll have your meal.
They tried not letting stores sell the insanely big cups of soda in New York, people where outraged lol.

[step_back]

Maybe these ideas are good.

However I've heard a case made against differentiating between health status in insurance. Say somebody is taking up a dangerous sport/activity, OR eating fat and is definitely going to catch a cardio disease or whatever. Why should regular folks pay for that slob's habits?

The slope is that it eventually might turn out that only rich can actually do things they choose, because if you put price on everything there is, to have an affordable insurance would take living the simpliest life possible. So, not many liberties around. See where it's going?

To some degree people all ready are, at least in the U.K we are. My tax money is going to help support the NHS which is currently feeling the burden of Obesity and Alcohol related problems we have in our society. As it stands it's on the increase.

I get what your saying about certain past times becoming only affordable for the rich and in all honesty I don't really know how you would combat that problem. But something needs to give people the incentive to work out and stay healthy because the risks and diseases certainly aren't enough to prevent it. People know obesity is directly linked to heart failure and diabetes and it still does nothing to change their habits. I'd much rather be paying in tax money to get these people a subsidized gym membership that helps prevent the cause than pay money to prescribe medication to help with curing them.

[kNIOKAS]

To some degree people all ready are, at least in the U.K we are. My tax money is going to help support the NHS which is currently feeling the burden of Obesity and Alcohol related problems we have in our society. As it stands it's on the increase.

I get what your saying about certain past times becoming only affordable for the rich and in all honesty I don't really know how you would combat that problem. But something needs to give people the incentive to work out and stay healthy because the risks and diseases certainly aren't enough to prevent it. People know obesity is directly linked to heart failure and diabetes and it still does nothing to change their habits. I'd much rather be paying in tax money to get these people a subsidized gym membership that helps prevent the cause than pay money to prescribe medication to help with curing them.
Yeah that's true. There's even more complexity to it.

You could do whatever, but as long every time you take a drive or turn on the tv there are signs and adds telling you to fast food it won't change much, not when all you have to do is pull off the road for 5-10 minutes and you'll have your meal.
They tried not letting stores sell the insanely big cups of soda in New York, people where outraged lol.
That seemed like a knee-jerk reaction along the lines "ban guns", didn't it. Also, very intrusive.

It is a good question should government limit the portions and everything. It changes with status of the addictive substance, but still. Also there is this old paradoxical thing where you both illness and prevention for it is best to keep economy going, and if we got rid of ilness there would be no jobs for doctors, and prevention programs also employ people, etc.

Seems that we can keep going on on breadth for some time more.

[ZenMaster]

Yeah that's true. There's even more complexity to it.

That seemed like a knee-jerk reaction along the lines "ban guns", didn't it. Also, very intrusive.

It is a good question should government limit the portions and everything. It changes with status of the addictive substance, but still. Also there is this old paradoxical thing where you both illness and prevention for it is best to keep economy going, and if we got rid of ilness there would be no jobs for doctors, and prevention programs also employ people, etc.

Seems that we can keep going on on breadth for some time more.

Depends on how you look at it, I wouldn't call it knee jerk since people have been getting fatter for years.

And "very intrusive".. I don't know, we're talking about a cup of soda.

You can't get rid of illness so there will always be something for doctors to do, but a complete nation doesn't have to be fat on average.

But again, it won't matter what you do when you have so many fast food restaurants with so much marketing. Not when the prices are so affordable.

A few weeks ago in the episode of mad men they where giving their pitch to "burger chef", the main point to the burger chef executives when it comes to marketing is that the dinner table is their battlefield and that it's the entire family you need to get.
Next day you'll be wathcing NBA and one of those KFC commercials comes on with the mom apparently supposedly filming herself and they make one liners about how it brings the family together, makes the kid shut up for a while(longer than ever they say), the kicker is that there is enough for everybody in this very large and cheap bowl of chicken.
In general you're also seeing the message of commercials are becomming very direct and filled with one liners about what you should do. For example that commercial on the vitamin water or whatever, every line is said with an incredibly annoying voice you wont forget and every line ends with "try it".

And as you say there is a lot of money in the rehabilitation, people who will help you eat right, gym chains opening up all over and yet most people are still obese.
You can't beat marketing, cheap prices and food that's easy to attain. It's proven over many years now.

[kNIOKAS]

Depends on how you look at it, I wouldn't call it knee jerk since people have been getting fatter for years.

And "very intrusive".. I don't know, we're talking about a cup of soda.
Fine, I was referring to the notion of banning in comparison to understanding first and then fixing. Also, yes sounds silly if that's what's intrusive, but I thought the reaction was as it defintely was - one can't get a big size cup, while the big bottles are available on stores, so policy is not definite, just to make the consumer bit uncomfortable.


Next day you'll be wathcing NBA and one of those KFC commercials comes on with the mom apparently supposedly filming herself and they make one liners about how it brings the family together, makes the kid shut up for a while(longer than ever they say), the kicker is that there is enough for everybody in this very large and cheap bowl of chicken.
just so bloody wrong :lol Parenting.


In general you're also seeing the message of commercials are becomming very direct and filled with one liners about what you should do. For example that commercial on the vitamin water or whatever, every line is said with an incredibly annoying voice you wont forget and every line ends with "try it".

I agree, and that is along my general issue with marketing - essentially a waste of resources, also since it's boiled down to science of altering the perception - interferes with the political system so much. People do not vote for the most competent politician, but vote for the most perceived competent politician, or for one who has better PR department. Similarly, in general, it's not about a thing being good, but perceived as good. This marketing in consciousness I think is a detrimental thing for humanity.

To speak in general, free market cannot tell what do really people or humanity needs, because half of population in 2100 would be hooked on tubes and virtual reality machines, getting happyness hormones pumped to their brain, like in Matrix.

Yet I think we should be wary of government regulations, because in a way it even dimishes the self-regulation skills of people, right.

Don't have an answer, obviously...

[Andrei89]

`Murica!!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ZenMaster]

Fine, I was referring to the notion of banning in comparison to understanding first and then fixing. Also, yes sounds silly if that's what's intrusive, but I thought the reaction was as it defintely was - one can't get a big size cup, while the big bottles are available on stores, so policy is not definite, just to make the consumer bit uncomfortable.

just so bloody wrong :lol Parenting.

I agree, and that is along my general issue with marketing - essentially a waste of resources, also since it's boiled down to science of altering the perception - interferes with the political system so much. People do not vote for the most competent politician, but vote for the most perceived competent politician, or for one who has better PR department. Similarly, in general, it's not about a thing being good, but perceived as good. This marketing in consciousness I think is a detrimental thing for humanity.

To speak in general, free market cannot tell what do really people or humanity needs, because half of population in 2100 would be hooked on tubes and virtual reality machines, getting happyness hormones pumped to their brain, like in Matrix.

Yet I think we should be wary of government regulations, because in a way it even dimishes the self-regulation skills of people, right.

Don't have an answer, obviously...

I think you're right that marketing and screens everywhere are going to have massive effects on humanity going forward. I don't have an answer either and it gets me in a bad mood thinking about it because I can't see the world being an overall better place in 10-200 years from now. The rich will get richer and the number of poor people relative to the average will increase until there's a major event.
Think about how much richer a very small percentage have gotten in just the last 10 years, what elements in society is going to change that in any relevant future?

[Dresta]

Sorry, but if you're fat, then you're not really poor are you (unless you got fat prior to becoming poor)? Being poor is struggling to put food on the table, not having enough surplus cash to sit around stuffing your face on junk food. It's all about priorities, and if you can afford to prioritise over-eating then your being poor is not really the problem. 'Fat food' is not cheaper, that is a myth: it is just easier and more convenient, and thus lazy people are more likely to consume it, less likely to move, and more likely to be fat. Actual poor people (distinguished from those fitted under the ludicrous measure of 'relative' poverty) as found in downtown LA or Miami at night look pretty malnourished to me, and look like people who could actually use some help, and not these pseudo self-created Western problems that can be attributed fundamentally to self-indulgence.

kNIOKAS and his ilk think they are special and that a 'regular person' (whatever this means) doesn't have the mental cognition to determine that junk food is unhealthy and makes you fat. I'm perfectly happy for people to eat whatever they want, but don't expect me to feel sorry for them for making bad choices, nor to think them mental invalids who need to be looked after, told what to do, and treated like children. Treat people like children and they will act like children and never learn how to be personally responsible, and what good is a nation of children who can't look after themselves?

All this 'food is addictive' nonsense is besides the point anyway: EVERY single thing that gives pleasure carries the potential for addiction. Sugar in itself is really addictive. You think rich people food isn't addictive? If i had the money i might actually get fat on that shit, because that stuff is no less addictive and it tastes a whole lot better. The biggest problem really isn't even the food: it's the cars, the drive-thru's, the ability to live in America and literally never get off your arse.



Lol, wtf does me preventing others from drinking have to do with anything?

Stay on topic, why are you so fckin fat? Using food to comfort your depression is an excuse to you? Maybe you wouldn't be depressed if you could see your own p*nis. Wait nvm, that would be depressing as well, you're in a no-win situation.
It shows that you're a puritanical asshole who belongs in the Victorian era, and that your opinion on matters such as this are utterly invalid and worthless. You're an irresponsible criminal and yet you think you have the right to tell people how to live and what to do; that's truly pathetic.

[ZenMaster]

You are free to put all the blame on the individual, but getting a large number of people to buy a product is science between marketing, price and convenience of attaining the product.

I agree that it's self-indulgence and self-made problems in the western world, but that's what happens major corporations who are only out to make money set the order by controlling the politicians. It also doesn't change that the problems do infact exists.


'Fat food' is not cheaper, that is a myth: it is just easier and more convenient

Again, in the western world time literally is money. People mostly get paid by the hour.



kNIOKAS and his ilk think they are special and that a 'regular person' (whatever this means) doesn't have the mental cognition to determine that junk food is unhealthy and makes you fat. I'm perfectly happy for people to eat whatever they want, but don't expect me to feel sorry for them for making bad choices, nor to think them mental invalids who need to be looked after, told what to do, and treated like children. Treat people like children and they will act like children and never learn how to be personally responsible, and what good is a nation of children who can't look after themselves?

I agree that in a perfect world people would be making better choices for themelves but fact is they are not and have not been doing so for a long time.

People know that junk food is unhealthy, but it being delicious has been printed into the brains of people from whenever they could pick up the messages in commercials while watching TV, and that's even before they start in school. The young kids will ask for their parents to take them to whatever junk food restaurant they've seen in the commercials, have a positive experience there and the positive connections for said junk food restaurant will remain somewhere in your brain for most of your life.



All this 'food is addictive' nonsense is besides the point anyway: EVERY single thing that gives pleasure carries the potential for addiction.

No it's not because every single thing that gives pleasure you don't have to do in order to stay alive.

[MavsSuperFan]

http://iowafoodandfitness.org/wegrow/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/obesity-map-2013-2.jpg

Louisiana #1


Really though this is a bit misleading as Colorado (our thinnest state) is still obese. You can say "state-X is fatter than state-Y" but the reality of it is that the US as a whole is "fat".
:lol america is so fat

[ZenMaster]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/04/13/watch-this-video-youll-never-eat-mcdonalds-french-fries-again/

Very relevant video for this discussion.

[ILLsmak]

Very few people are healthy looking.

Fat people, skinny people... in America, probably less than 5% of them (a vast overestimation) seem as though their body is where it should be.

Blame America for its people being fat. Giving them larger portions of worse food. The cheapest food is also the most fattening. That's why poor people are fat. It costs big bucks to eat healthy now.

It's sad. And I'm talking about 'adults' here. Not people who are 17 or 18 because a lot of them fall off a cliff in terms of health. Talking like... 25+. How many do you think are neither overweight nor malnourished (or both, I guess)?

Everyone who eats healthy and exercises should be thankful that they have the money to eat health and the energy to exercise. Plenty of people put in such hours at work or have such a stressful life that they just come home and go to bed, maybe grab a burger on the way home for their moment of enjoyment.

It's a v fukt system.

-Smak

[BasedTom]

Very few people are healthy looking.

Fat people, skinny people... in America, probably less than 5% of them (a vast overestimation) seem as though their body is where it should be.

Where the hell do you live where this is the case? 5%? Jesus Christ. I'd normally refuse to believe it, but who knows, maybe you could provide evidence or personal insight.