Lebron has been a better player than kobe every year except his rookie

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe has no case over Lebron from 05-14 his production is much better raw and advance stats back me up.

lol every one is upset cause they know it's true

[Foster5k]

2/5

[Rocketswin2013]

'05? :lol

'09 probably.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Weak troll. I'll give it 2 out of a possible 5 stars

[fpliii]

I know this is a troll thread, but even if you give him 08-09 to the present (which isn't unanimous, but it's not an outlandish opinion), how can you justify saying Bran during his first 5 years was better? Seriously bro.

[rlsmooth775]

I know this is a troll thread, but even if you give him 08-09 to the present (which isn't unanimous, but it's not an outlandish opinion), how can you justify saying Bran during his first 5 years was better? Seriously bro.

Kobe has no case over Lebron in 2005. 06 07 are debatable but I will still go with Lebron

[KyrieTheFuture]

Good lord I hate this website sometimes. The trolls aren't even funny anymore.

[fpliii]

Kobe has no case over Lebron in 2005. 06 07 are debatable but I will still go with Lebron
05 maybe because of the time missed (same in 04, though rookie LeBron was levels below Kobe that year), but how can you debate 06, 07, or 08? LeBron admittedly wasn't focussing on defense those years, and Kobe gave you monster scoring on great efficiency.

[Nuff Said]

I know this is a troll thread, but even if you give him 08-09 to the present (which isn't unanimous, but it's not an outlandish opinion), how can you justify saying Bran during his first 5 years was better? Seriously bro.
How come ppl go "I know it's a troll thread" then proceed to feed?

[rlsmooth775]

I can actually back up Lebron being better than Kobe with facts . I know the myth Kobe was supposedly great defender but he wasn't during this time he has no case over Lebron James after his rookie season. Kobe has always been overrated when it comes to his impact on the court

[Brokenbeat]

Good lord I hate this website sometimes. The trolls aren't even funny anymore.

It's just desperation at this point. :confusedshrug:

[rlsmooth775]

05 maybe because of the time missed (same in 04, though rookie LeBron was levels below Kobe that year), but how can you debate 06, 07, or 08? LeBron admittedly wasn't focussing on defense those years, and Kobe gave you monster scoring on great efficiency.

Kobe didn't care about defense than either in 2008 Lebron was a much better defender than Kobe not even close

[Artillery]

Kinda agree. '06 and '07 was basically Kobe putting up empty stats but not really making his team better. Come playoff time, he quit on his team. Went 0-2 against Nash in the postseason. Nash pretty much validated his MVP by owning Kobe in the '06 playoffs. Carried a Suns team without Amare to the Conference Finals that year.

[Hey Yo]

Kinda agree. '06 and '07 was basically Kobe putting up empty stats but not really making his team better. Come playoff time, he quit on his team. Went 0-2 against Nash in the postseason. Nash pretty much validated his MVP by owning Kobe in the '06 playoffs. Carried a Suns team without Amare to the Conference Finals that year.
and yet people still say Nash getting the MVP that year was a joke.

[WeGetRing2012]

Kobe: 71% chance to win in the Finals
Lebron: 40% chance to win in the Finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

This can actually be argued... there are some fine cases for 05-08, while its not very hard since 09.

[Artillery]

and yet people still say Nash getting the MVP that year was a joke.

It would be embarrassing to give an MVP award to a guy that chokes away a 3-1 lead and quits on his team in game 7. Nash owned Kobe head-to-head. He deserved the MVP. And he did with one of the dumbest coaches in league history while Kobe had the GOAT coaching him.

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe: 71% chance to win in the Finals
Lebron: 40% chance to win in the Finals.

lol dude was carried by Shaq

[Ne 1]

05 maybe because of the time missed (same in 04, though rookie LeBron was levels below Kobe that year), but how can you debate 06, 07, or 08? LeBron admittedly wasn't focussing on defense those years, and Kobe gave you monster scoring on great efficiency.
This. '05 LeBron and Kobe were both top 10. '05 was a down year for Kobe again, but I've never been 100% comfortable with putting him as low as 10th, his skills and ability are certainly above that, though he had his struggles in a ball-dominant do-everything role, his defense had already been slipping for several seasons, but it hit a new low that year.

[20Four]

lol dude was carried by Shaq
I dont get why yall keep thinking about kobe since he hasn't even played at all this season....lmao shows you how KOBE is a legend...always compare people to kobe even when he's not playing...

Kobe > lebron not even close.....

2/5 sorry niqqa

[WeGetRing2012]

lol dude was carried by Shaq

Hmmmm. Let's just pretend that this argument is even valid for a second.

Kobe by himself: 66% chance to win the Finals
Lebron by himself: 0% chance to win the Finals.

With superstar help
Kobe: 100% chance to win Finals
Lebron: 50% chance to win Finals.

Now matter how you slice it Lebron sucks. The only stat he can't inflate.

[rlsmooth775]

I dont get why yall keep thinking about kobe since he hasn't even played at all this season....lmao shows you how KOBE is a legend...always compare people to kobe even when he's not playing...

Kobe > lebron not even close.....

2/5 sorry niqqa

No one is playing now you queer. Kobe is 2/5 in finals mvp he will always be remembered as a sidekick

[20Four]

Hmmmm. Let's just pretend that this argument is even valid for a second.

Kobe by himself: 66% chance to win the Finals
Lebron by himself: 0% chance to win the Finals.

With superstar help
Kobe: 100% chance to win Finals
Lebron: 50% chance to win Finals.

Now matter how you slice it Lebron sucks. The only stat he can't inflate.
http://i.minus.com/iKBYlMQrwCubk.gif

[rlsmooth775]

Hmmmm. Let's just pretend that this argument is even valid for a second.

Kobe by himself: 66% chance to win the Finals
Lebron by himself: 0% chance to win the Finals.

With superstar help
Kobe: 100% chance to win Finals
Lebron: 50% chance to win Finals.

Now matter how you slice it Lebron sucks. The only stat he can't inflate.

The only argument you have for kobe over Lebron is team accomplishments when he wasn't even the best player on his team hahahahahah

[dubeta]

Kobe was never consensus best player in the game, something others like LeBron, Shaq, MJ were

it was always an argument like Kobe/Tmac Kobe/A.I Kobe/LeBron

At best it was split 50/50 across fanbases that Kobe was the best

At least from 2011-2014 about 80%ish-90% of objective bball fans would say LeBron was the best, kobe was never clear cut best.

[Ne 1]

The only argument you have for kobe over Lebron is team accomplishments when he wasn't even the best player on his team hahahahahah
LeBron wouldn't have been either. Check mate.

[sportjames23]

Weak troll. I'll give it 2 out of a possible 5 stars


What you did there? Yeah, I see it.

[rlsmooth775]

LOL...honestly your a fvcking idiot,

Why you need to copy lebrons 2/5 and put it on kobe?

Kobe has 5 rings....lebron has 1....had to be saved by Ray Allen you serious?

The fact you bring kobe up shows you how insecure you are being a lebron nut hugger....its ok lebron is good, just not as good as kobe or jordan, now stop comparing them, Kevin Durant is better than lebron....lmao

http://i.minus.com/iOKZLpUEvwsrw.jpg
http://i.minus.com/ibzpdkr7JPrcxX.jpg

Sidekick? Dont make me smack the $hit out of you lil boy! I would if I saw you


You know whats funny? Kobe got compared to Iverson, Carter, T-mac etc.....where are they now? And now look.....many years later, they still have kobe compared to lebron, durant etc.....shows you how dominant kobe is even at his age people still use him as comparisons

Nah we compare him because his fanboys overrate him so much. We have to put morons like you on blast. Kobe was a sidekick to Shaq everyone knows it look at 2000 finals. 38 ppg to 15 hahahahah. Even before ankle he only put up like 13 or 14 points in game 1

[WeGetRing2012]

You know whats funny? Kobe got compared to Iverson, Carter, T-mac etc.....where are they now? And now look.....many years later, they still have kobe compared to lebron, durant etc.....shows you how dominant kobe is even at his age people still use him as comparisons

It's crazy you can now add DWade to that list too.

[Beastmode88]

No one is playing now you queer. Kobe is 2/5 in finals mvp he will always be remembered as a sidekick

lol maybe by kobe haters like yourself.

[rlsmooth775]

lol maybe by kobe haters like yourself.

His fans remember him being carried to they try to repress it but they know.

[SexSymbol]

Lebron in 09 and 10 admitted numerous times that Kobe is the best player and the best scorer in the league.
What's there to argue, when the man himself doesn't believe you

[Young X]

'04: Kobe
'05: Bron
'06-'08: Kobe
'09-'13: Bron

[SamuraiSWISH]

2004 - Kobe
2005 - LeBron
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe

LeBron EVER SINCE

[dubeta]

Lebron in 09 and 10 admitted numerous times that Kobe is the best player and the best scorer in the league.
What's there to argue, when the man himself doesn't believe you

Kobe once said he wasnt a rapist do you believe him then?

[rlsmooth775]

Im done with you....no brain son of a b|tch, seriously come to cali ill shut your ass up for good you flying Ph%ggot

Lol did i touch a nerve

[rlsmooth775]

2004 - Kobe
2005 - LeBron
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe

LeBron EVER SINCE

Zero argument in 08 over Lebron

[SamuraiSWISH]

Zero argument in 08 over Lebron
There is an argument. But zero argument? Could you be on LeBron's balls anymore?

LeBron wasn't a quality defender until 2009. Yea his offensive stats were nice. But Kobe's comparable production, in a much superior conference, went to the championship ... had the Lakers in the #3 seed before they even got Gasol?

No, at the very least there is an argument either way. The nod definitely goes to Kobe for me that season.

The next season LeBron wa sa legit defender, and dragged Cleveland with the same crazy production to 60 wins. As he should in that weak ass Eastern Conference.

[dubeta]

There is an argument. But zero argument? Could you be on LeBron's balls anymore?

LeBron wasn't a quality defender until 2009. Yea his offensive stats were nice. But Kobe's comparable production, in a much superior conference, went to the championship ... had the Lakers in the #3 seed before they even got Gasol?

No, at the very least there is an argument either way. The nod definitely goes to Kobe for me that season.

The next season LeBron wa sa legit defender, and dragged Cleveland with the same crazy production to 60 wins. As he should in that weak ass Eastern Conference.

Lmao 28/6/5 on 46% was comparable to 30/8/7 on 48%?

That difference is much bigger than any difference defensively

[rlsmooth775]

Lebron was a better defender than kobe in 08 also putting up superior offensive numbers

[Young X]

Lmao 28/6/5 on 46% was comparable to 30/8/7 on 48%?

That difference is much bigger than any difference defensivelyKobe was much better in the postseason against much better competition and played better against the same Celtics team Bron did (both lost and were mediocre tho, Kobe was just less terrible). It's kinda like Bron and Durant this season - KD slightly outplayed Bron in the regular season, but Bron showed why he's a superior player in the postseason when it REALLY mattered. Overall Kobe's RS and playoffs > Bron's in '08.

[dubeta]

Kobe was much better in the postseason against much better competition and played better against the same Celtics team Bron did (both lost and were mediocre tho, Kobe was just less terrible). It's kinda like Bron and Durant this season - KD slightly outplayed Bron in the regular season, but Bron showed why he's a superior player in the postseason when it REALLY mattered. Overall Kobe's RS and playoffs > Bron's in '08.

LeBron actually had slight better numbers against the Celtics but ok :oldlol:

And how again is Kobe's RS > LeBron? :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lmao 28/6/5 on 46% was comparable to 30/8/7 on 48%?

That difference is much bigger than any difference defensively
I didn't say equal or better. LeBron had crazy stats in 2008. I said comparable production, but with superior team record. Meaning they were the same class of player. Kobe however did it in a much more difficult conference. The east was a complete joke outside of Boston.

And like I said LeBron didn't start officially playing defense consistently until the 2009 season. One of the reasons that team had such a leap in terms of record. The Cavs followed his lead in that regard.

To me "best player" or "MVP" is a regular season award yes, but the reality of who the best on an individual level is validated in the more meaningful, difficult aspect to the season, the playoffs. Kobe's 2008 playoff run takes a steaming dump on LeBron's. Who just had that one spectacular game 7 v.s. Boston.

Kobe was busy in the kitchen, cooking, stir frying, toasting, baking the team that pounded LeBron in 2007, the vast majority of the 2013 Finals, and just recently in the vast majority of the 2014 Finals.

[rlsmooth775]

I didn't say equal or better. LeBron had crazy stats in 2008. I said comparable production, but with superior team record. Meaning they were the same class of player. Kobe however did it in a much more difficult conference. The east was a complete joke outside of Boston.

And like I said LeBron didn't start officially playing defense consistently until the 2009 season. One of the reasons that team had such a leap in terms of record. The Cavs followed his lead in that regard.

To me "best player" or "MVP" is a regular season award yes, but the reality of who the best on an individual level is validated in the more meaningful, difficult aspect to the season, the playoffs. Kobe's 2008 playoff run takes a steaming dump on LeBron's. Who just had that one spectacular game 7 v.s. Boston.

Kobe was busy in the kitchen, cooking, stir frying, toasting, baking the team that pounded LeBron in 2007, the vast majority of the 2013 Finals, and just recently in the vast majority of the 2014 Finals.

You just went full retard

[Le Shaqtus]

Good lord I hate this website sometimes. The trolls aren't even funny anymore.

It's gonna be a long off season.

[mehyaM24]

agreed

2005 is pretty close, but he was already a better ALL AROUND player than kobe ever was

from 2006/2007/2008, kobe's supposed "peak", on average, Lebron took his team deeper into the postseason WITH better individual stats.

[bence23]

only thing kobe has..or at least had was longevity over all his rivals..gotta give him credit for that.

but there were many years players were better.

02/03 tmac was
09 wade was
lebron and durant at various times
to to mention duncan shaq and kg

[T_L_P]

Hmmmm. Let's just pretend that this argument is even valid for a second.

Kobe by himself: 66% chance to win the Finals
Lebron by himself: 0% chance to win the Finals.

With superstar help
Kobe: 100% chance to win Finals
Lebron: 50% chance to win Finals.

Now matter how you slice it Lebron sucks. The only stat he can't inflate.

When did Kobe make it to the Finals by himself?

Also, did 2004 not happen?

[Ne 1]

LeBron actually had slight better numbers against the Celtics but ok :oldlol:

And how again is Kobe's RS > LeBron? :roll:
Did you forget about the odd turn of events after Game 3 against Boston with LeBron visibly pouting/quitting? He disappeared and looked lost on both ends of the court.

The Cavs were up 2-1 and if LeBron played even close to his usual level, the Cavs in all likelihood win the series. The Celtics deserve some credit, but LeBron just seemed off and he played like garbage in the last 3 games. He didn't seem like himself at all. I don't know if he was looking towards the summer, or if the Delonte rumor was true, but he really looked visibly distracted.

[BlackVVaves]

LeBron was not a better player in 2005, Kobe just missed a ton of games and was playing through the first season of a franchise rebuild.

Definitely no to 2006.

No to 2007, but arguments can be posed without as much skepticism.

No to 2008.

2009 and on yes, though 2009 I'd say Kobe Wade and Bron shared the platform atop the league's elite. But I wouldn't necessarily say Kobe was more productive than LeBron considering his commitment to defense finally.

In other words OP, troll harder.

[pastis]

does anyone put lebrons ridiculous stats in context with the eastern conference? i bet kobe would put up similar stats in EC

[alanLA92]

Guess you do have to think to get a troll thread right. Either that or the trolls got worse over time. :lol

[BlackVVaves]

but from 2006/2007/2008, kobe's supposed "peak", on average, Lebron took his team deeper into the postseason WITH better individual stats.

Right. Because facing the Washington Wizards in the first round is equivalent to facing the SSOL Suns.

Makes sense.


agreed

2005 is pretty close, but he was already a better ALL AROUND player than kobe ever was

2005 LeBron was a better overall player than 2001, 2003, or 2008 Kobe?

Man. Y'all Bron stans had lead poisoning growing up or something?

[rlsmooth775]

does anyone put lebrons ridiculous stats in context with the eastern conference? i bet kobe would put up similar stats in EC
His stats are worse against east oppenents

[knicksman]

why are these clowns still posting? I thought their IQs got exposed once lebron lost

[mehyaM24]

Right. Because facing the Washington Wizards in the first round is equivalent to facing the SSOL Suns.

the suns without amare and mike no-d'antoni as coach?

LOL


2005 LeBron was a better overall player than 2001, 2003, or 2008 Kobe?

Man. Y'all Bron stans had lead poisoning growing up or something?

better playmaker, leader, and more efficient than kobe ever was. :confusedshrug:

lebron posted 27/7/7 on 55% TS - 25+ PER (higher than kobe ever was up to 2005) -115 ORTG (higher than kobe ever was up to 2005) in his second season in the nba

i'm open to hearing arguments for kobe, but the ones presented have been pretty weak.

[SexSymbol]

Ban OP and all the people agreeing with him
We don't need any trolls here, at least shitty ones.
Leave quality trolls here, but there's only like five of them

[mehyaM24]

anybody that doesnt think there is validity in the OP = huge kobe stan

truth

[NumberSix]

Kobe: 71% chance to win in the Finals
Lebron: 40% chance to win in the Finals.
Kobe: 57% chance of being carried by team mates to a chip

[BlackVVaves]

the suns without amare and mike no-d'antoni as coach?

LOL



better playmaker, leader, and more efficient than kobe ever was. :confusedshrug:

lebron posted 27/7/7 on 55% TS - 25+ PER (higher than kobe ever was up to 2005) -115 ORTG (higher than kobe ever was up to 2005) in his second season in the nba

i'm open to hearing arguments for kobe, but the ones presented have been pretty weak.

Right. Because Amare wasn't on that 2007 Suns team that should have been in the Finals if not for the substantial level of corrupt activity by the Spurs coaching staff/Horry and Stern being the twisted asshole he is.

Because the 2007 Wizards and 2007 Nets = the 2007 Suns :oldlol:

Argument? Sure. 2001 Kobe > 2005 LeBron defensively

2003 Kobe > 2005 LeBron offensively. And, both were underwhelming defenders just focusing on offense that year.

2008 Kobe I just think was an overall better player than a second year LeBron, methodically speaking. He was a more willing passer, finally emphasized his defensive play again after 2 of 3 truly abysmal years (2005 & 2007), and had some pretty impressive games in the postseason, like 49, 10, 4 on 67% FG against the Nuggets.

2005 Bron had some great numbers, but give me those 3 versions of Kobe over LeBron in only his sophomore year. Pretty sure other objective minds would feel similarly.

[The-Legend-24]

2/5

[dubeta]

Did you forget about the odd turn of events after Game 3 against Boston with LeBron visibly pouting/quitting? He disappeared and looked lost on both ends of the court.

The Cavs were up 2-1 and if LeBron played even close to his usual level, the Cavs in all likelihood win the series. The Celtics deserve some credit, but LeBron just seemed off and he played like garbage in the last 3 games. He didn't seem like himself at all. I don't know if he was looking towards the summer, or if the Delonte rumor was true, but he really looked visibly distracted.

You're talking about the 2010 Celtics series, not the 2008 one

Huge fail :roll: