Jazz/Cavs Jabari Trade

[el gringos]

Of all the teams that may make crazy offers to Cleveland this week Utah could come the hardest. Does Cleveland want to pay g Hayward big bucks and build the trade around a s&t or just go

Trey Burke, favors, kanter, pick 5

For

Jabari Parker and Andy V

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Of all the teams that may make crazy offers to Cleveland this week Utah could come the hardest. Does Cleveland want to pay g Hayward big bucks and build the trade around a s&t or just go

Trey Burke, favors, kanter, pick 5

For

Jabari Parker and Andy V

If I am the Cavs I would take that offer in a heartbeat.

[Meticode]

Why are you evening proposing this trade when rumors have been going around that the trade would only include #1 Pick for Favors-or-Kanter + #5 Pick.

Jazz get utterly raped in your trade.

[el gringos]

Why are you evening proposing this trade when rumors have been going around that the trade would only include #1 Pick for Favors-or-Kanter + #5 Pick.

Jazz get utterly raped in your trade.
That was why. To find out what people thought was fair. And it's a lot lower than I thought.


If I was Cleveland I wouldn't do favors and 5 for Jabari. But I think Utah would give more.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

:wtf: Might as well throw in Burks and maybe Gobert to and take every decent prospect on the Jazz.

[Meticode]

That was why. To find out what people thought was fair. And it's a lot lower than I thought.


If I was Cleveland I wouldn't do favors and 5 for Jabari. But I think Utah would give more.
There's no way I do that if I'm the Jazz. Maybe just Favors+Hayward. It fills two holes for the Cavs. Or Kanter+Hayward.

Favors-or-Kanter/Varejao
Thompson/Bennett
Hayward/Gee
Waiters/Jack-or-Thornton
Irving/Dellavedova

[RedBlackAttack]

So, the Cavs add to their logjam at PF and PG, while giving up a potential franchise SF... which is one of the few positions they actually need?

I'm not going to kill the trade because the Jazz would be giving up a decent amount of value, but it really doesn't make any sense from a need perspective.

And if they really want Hayward they can probably just out-bid the Jazz in free agency without giving up anything.

[Meticode]

So, the Cavs add to their logjam at PF and PG, while giving up a potential franchise SF... which is one of the few positions they actually need?

I'm not going to kill the trade because the Jazz would be giving up a decent amount of value, but it really doesn't make any sense from a need perspective.

And if they really want Hayward they can probably just out-bid the Jazz in free agency without giving up anything.
To be fair, Kanter and Favors are more Cs than PFs.

[RedBlackAttack]

To be fair, Kanter and Favors are more Cs than PFs.
They're these newfangled PF/C hybrids. Those kind of guys are pretty common in today's league and could be had with a lot less than the No. 1 overall pick.

In the NBA, quantity is usually not better than quality. Give me the potential superstar at the 3 over a bunch of pretty good players at positions that are already filled or could be filled relatively easily.

[Meticode]

In the NBA, quantity is usually not better than quality. Give me the potential superstar at the 3 over a bunch of pretty good players at positions that are already filled or could be filled relatively easily.
We'll see. I'm not saying trading or drafting will work out. I'm not going to sit her and pretend what would work out best. Personally I'd like to see him draft Wiggins just because of his defensive abilities and it feels that hole at SF that we had the last few years until Deng got traded. Then eventually we need to fill that center hole. Varejao is in his last year of his contract and he won't be more tradeable at any point of his career more than now since he's worth $9 million, he can help a contender and he'll come off the books for next year and more likely get less money per year since he's starting to decline slightly.

There's not much to choose from on the market. They could resign Hawes, but if he's not hitting threes he was close to being useless offensively for much of the time (minus his passing ability which I like). Pau Gasol is another name, he'll probably demand too much money though. Chris Kaman, Emeka Okafor (not sure what's left in the tank for him), Marcin Gortat.

[Nastradamus]

They're these newfangled PF/C hybrids. Those kind of guys are pretty common in today's league and could be had with a lot less than the No. 1 overall pick.

In the NBA, quantity is usually not better than quality. Give me the potential superstar at the 3 over a bunch of pretty good players at positions that are already filled or could be filled relatively easily.

Favors is all C. He's exactly the type of C Cleveland is looking for. Plus athlete with strong defensive skills. 16-10-2 per 36 on 52%

[Meticode]

Favors is all C. He's exactly the type of C Cleveland is looking for. Plus athlete with strong defensive skills. 16-10-2 per 36 on 52%
He's short, but he's got length. The way his playstyle is I considered him a center. 7'4" wingspan. Has a defensive mindset. I felt if there was a center to get, he'd fit in pretty well for the defensive role.

[RedBlackAttack]

Favors is all C. He's exactly the type of C Cleveland is looking for. Plus athlete with strong defensive skills. 16-10-2 per 36 on 52%
I like Favors actually and I agree he'd be a good fit, but he is not worth the No. 1 pick... especially not in this draft. I'd be completely open to making a deal with Utah if they were willing to move him. We have lots of future picks, young pieces and cap space.

I'm not sure a guy who's 6-foot-10 can ever be called "all center." He's got good length and he's probably more center than PF, but I wouldn't exactly call him a prototypical 5.

[RedBlackAttack]

We'll see. I'm not saying trading or drafting will work out. I'm not going to sit her and pretend what would work out best. Personally I'd like to see him draft Wiggins just because of his defensive abilities and it feels that hole at SF that we had the last few years until Deng got traded. Then eventually we need to fill that center hole. Varejao is in his last year of his contract and he won't be more tradeable at any point of his career more than now since he's worth $9 million, he can help a contender and he'll come off the books for next year and more likely get less money per year since he's starting to decline slightly.

There's not much to choose from on the market. They could resign Hawes, but if he's not hitting threes he was close to being useless offensively for much of the time (minus his passing ability which I like). Pau Gasol is another name, he'll probably demand too much money though. Chris Kaman, Emeka Okafor (not sure what's left in the tank for him), Marcin Gortat.
Like I said, I like Favors and I'd be open to the Cavs going after him using our stockpile of future picks, cap relief and young talent already on the roster... but he's not a guy who should be the primary piece in a deal for the No. 1 overall pick in this draft. I'm just not seeing it.

Especially now, with Embiid's injury, it looks like the "Big 2" in this draft with a significant dropoff afterwards, unless you need a PG which we don't. Going from 1 to 5 is a huge step down and we'd still be completely lacking anything remotely resembling a capable starting SF.

Sometimes, the obvious answer is the right one. We're in desperate need of a 3. This draft has arguably the two best SF prospects to come out since LeBron James.

Pick your favorite and, if you like a guy like Favors, acquire him in a different way. If Utah is saying Favors is only worth trading if they're getting the freaking No. 1 pick in return, they can keep him. Not saying he isn't a really nice young player, but he just completed his fourth season and his team notched 25 wins. I don't think he should be that untouchable where they're demanding the No. 1 pick in any potential trade.

I'd be open to moving any of our young guys outside of Irving for him and I say that as a huge Waiters fan.

[andremiller07]

I like Favors actually and I agree he'd be a good fit, but he is not worth the No. 1 pick... especially not in this draft. I'd be completely open to making a deal with Utah if they were willing to move him. We have lots of future picks, young pieces and cap space.

I'm not sure a guy who's 6-foot-10 can ever be called "all center." He's got good length and he's probably more center than PF, but I wouldn't exactly call him a prototypical 5.
He always guards the oppositions best player so it does not matter if he's a PF/C tbh. But I agree not worth a 1st pick, Favors guards both PF/C easily so who cares what he is. Aside from Pekovic there is very few 5's that can overpower Favors.

[RedBlackAttack]

He always guards the oppositions best player so it does not matter if he's a PF/C tbh. But I agree not worth a 1st pick, Favors guards both PF/C easily so who cares what he is. Aside from Pekovic there is very few 5's that can overpower Favors.
Yeah, well... the league isn't exactly overflowing with natural centers. I'm not putting the guy down, but I also think Tristan Thompson is far more a center than a PF. That's where his game fits best, and he's able to play the position for a lot of the same reasons as Favors... because the league has only a couple of "prototypical" centers right now.

I'm not saying Tristan is as good as Favors (he isn't)... but, then again, their numbers are pretty similar.

Last year:
Tristan Thompson - 12 points (48% FG), 9.2 rebounds, 108 DRtg, 2.3 DWS

Derrick Favors - 13 points (52% FG), 8.7 rebounds, 107 DRtg, 2.3 DWS


Again, not the guy who should be the primary asset you're getting back for the No. 1 pick in this draft.

[NattyPButter]

I would be pissed if they trade the #1 pick for Favors. Their whole roster needs an upgrade so they better be willing just to trade for a player or some future picks. This team needs Wiggins or Parker so when Kyrie goes down or still sucking it up. Favors rebounding stinks for the amount of mins he gets too.

[RedBlackAttack]

I've heard from what I consider a reliable source that the Cavs are far more likely to trade Kyrie Irving than the No. 1 pick, and there is almost no chance of Irving getting traded. So, take all of these scenarios with a huge grain of salt.

[Xiao Yao You]

Why are you evening proposing this trade when rumors have been going around that the trade would only include #1 Pick for Favors-or-Kanter + #5 Pick.

Jazz get utterly raped in your trade.

Jazz get a potential superstar, Cavs don't. Any trade for one of the top 2 picks Jazz win right now no matter what they give up.

Jazz consider Favors a center or did before they hired a coach. Favors wasn't strong enough to play center. He'd be better off at the 4.

[el gringos]

I'm not saying Cleveland should. It's more about how crazy an offer Utah could throw out. Jabari has more value to Utah than any other team.


I don't think Cleveland will trade the top pick. I think they'll take Parker and he will fit great.

[GimmeThat]

I'm not sure a guy who's 6-foot-10 can ever be called "all center." He's got good length and he's probably more center than PF, but I wouldn't exactly call him a prototypical 5.


His rebounding rate left something to be desired.

but lets say if you can still adjust his role, would you consider trading for a "Ben Wallace" type player + 5th pick, is worth the #1 pick?


I know their new head coach is listening. 1.5+ block in 30 min ain't bad.

[El Kabong]

I think those Cleveland/Utah rumours only started when people thought they'd still want Embiid, who looks like he's a good chance of still being available at #5 because of his injuries. If the Cavs don't want him because of the injuries, then they're not trading the #1 pick when Parker and Wiggins are still there (and won't be at #5).

And of course, the opposite is true for Utah. They get a chance to potentially select a superstar (something that Favors and a pick like Vonleh likely won't be), which they really do need if they want to make a serious push to the playoffs.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz supposedly like Embiid too.

[All Net]

Of all the teams that may make crazy offers to Cleveland this week Utah could come the hardest. Does Cleveland want to pay g Hayward big bucks and build the trade around a s&t or just go

Trey Burke, favors, kanter, pick 5

For

Jabari Parker and Andy V
Why would utah do that?

[Xiao Yao You]

Why would utah do that?

Because they get a potential star to build around. Something they don't have now. Why would the Cavs?

[GimmeThat]

Because they get a potential star to build around. Something they don't have now. Why would the Cavs?


Because the GM doesn't feel like his job is safe with drafting Parker at #1. Since they already have Waitors at the 2 position.

[el gringos]

Why would utah do that?
You want me to make this about religion, or do you really not know? I'll just say that there are thousands of people around Utah that know the name Jabari Parker and don't know another name in the draft.

[Nastradamus]

I like Favors actually and I agree he'd be a good fit, but he is not worth the No. 1 pick... especially not in this draft. I'd be completely open to making a deal with Utah if they were willing to move him. We have lots of future picks, young pieces and cap space.

I'm not sure a guy who's 6-foot-10 can ever be called "all center." He's got good length and he's probably more center than PF, but I wouldn't exactly call him a prototypical 5.

Hakeem was 6'10, so is Howard. Duncan' might be 6'11 on a good day.

[Nastradamus]

I like Favors actually and I agree he'd be a good fit, but he is not worth the No. 1 pick... especially not in this draft. I'd be completely open to making a deal with Utah if they were willing to move him. We have lots of future picks, young pieces and cap space.

I'm not sure a guy who's 6-foot-10 can ever be called "all center." He's got good length and he's probably more center than PF, but I wouldn't exactly call him a prototypical 5.

and its not Favors for #1, its Favors and 5. Cleveland would have to like someone at 5 though obviously.

[Xiao Yao You]

Because the GM doesn't feel like his job is safe with drafting Parker at #1. Since they already have Waitors at the 2 position.

Parker isn't a two.


Cleveland would have to like someone at 5 though obviously.

The rumors say its because they still like Embiid and think they can get him by trading down now and get Favors as well.

[Kukoc]

No way
I want Wiggins