Where would Kobe 2003 rank in today's league

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I think he would be top 5 and without shaq and today's rules, I will say he would average 33/7/6

[Smook A.]

He averaged 30/7/6 along with 2 steals on 45% shooting that year.

Top 3 player today.

[AnaheimLakers24]

hghbe > all

[BlackVVaves]

I'd say, top 3. Behind Bron and KD.

I think the more interesting question would be: who was more impactful for his team, 2003 playoffs Kobe or 2014 playoffs KD?

[Warfan]

Arguably the best in the league. Kobe was a monster that year...

My 2 favorite games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vcC5vg-1Mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puoruHE7aHk

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

#2 or #3

[Eric Cartman]

1a. Lebron

1b. Kobe

2. KD

[Smook A.]

Arguably the best in the league. Kobe was a monster that year...

My 2 favorite games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vcC5vg-1Mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puoruHE7aHk

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
I remember those 52 points he had vs Houston...

Watched it live. It was one of the best games of the season even though the Rockets lost it. I remember getting mad and yelling "Stay on Kobe you piece of shit!"... hah. Good times.

[Heavincent]

Best in the world.

[KyleKong]

He averaged 30/7/6 along with 2 steals on 45% shooting that year.

Top 3 player today.

What is the difference between 2003 Kobe and Damian Lillard?

[Smook A.]

What is the difference between 2003 Kobe and Damian Lillard?
They have different names

Kobe is taller

They both play for different teams

They look different

Lillard has more tattoos

They play different positions

Their stats are different

Kobe raped a girl, Lillard never has (as far as we know)

aaaaand... Lillard went to college.

[Shep]

4th

[TheMilkyBarKid]

2-4 range

[JohnMax]

Shaq has same effect on Kobe that Lebron has on Ray Allen. He sucks the defense in and gives Kobe easier looks.

[coin24]

Same as now, best in the game. Most skilled, clutch, handsome gawd in the game:bowdown: :bowdown:

[ottooooooo]

he would rape the league like he did that girl in colorado

[DFish24]

Best in League

[turnaroundJ]

How can anyone put current Durant over any version of prime Kobe? He's at least as good on offense but the gap in defense and eye test stuff is ridiculous.

Bran has a case, but if you consider his wilting in big moments then he's not ahead either.

[Cold soul]

Top 2 for sure. Arguably the best player in NBA.

[MavsSuperFan]

Best in the league

[miles berg]

Strong case for #3, definitely top 5.

[Jameerthefear]

Without Shaq he would average something like 25/5/5 on 40%
So not even top 10. More around Tyreke Evans tier.

[Thorn]

He's definitely in the discussion for best in the league, but I think he's got more of an argument with Durant. Kobe and Durant had pretty similar years.

Kobe 30/7/6 on 45/38/84
Durant 32/7/6 on 50/39/87

Kobe has an edge on defense. Durant's length and athleticism makes him a bit better than average, but he can be exploited due to his lack of strength, especially when OKC goes small with Durant at PF.

Both players had an All Star teammate that missed significant time due to injury/surgery, Westbrook on the rise, Shaq declining. Westbrook played 46 games compared to Shaq's 67, but Shaq was working his way back into shape for a while after surgery.

Both players had extremely thin casts especially in the playoffs, Lakers were thinner since Fox went down after Game 4 of the Minny series, his replacement got hurt in the Spurs series and they didn't have a third player on Ibaka's or Jackson's level. Ibaka missed 2 and a half games, everyone else was injury free for the Thunder.

Both players lost to the eventual champs with neither playing at their RS level, Kobe had 32/5/4 on 43/44/79, Durant had 26/8/3 on 48/33/76. But the 03 Spurs played a slower pace than the 14 Spurs (03 SAS 90 possessions/48, 14 SAS 95). Kobe was also coming off three long championship runs and 3401 minutes in the RS. Durant played 3102 minutes this year, but he also played more playoff games against better teams in Memphis and Clippers. Kobe played a pretty good team in the Wolves (51 wins).

Kobe is a better playmaker, but Durant is a better rebounder. edit: default was the wrong word. Since Kobe had 3 years of playmaking experience in the triangle he was better, but Durant was pretty good himself, especially with Westbrook out. Similarly Durant was a better rebounder because of height/length but Kobe was also pretty good. In the RS they averaged about the same number of boards.

How much is Durant affected by OKC's terrible offensive system? Westbrook was awesome in the playoffs, but was it at the expense of Durant? Entire possessions went by where the Thunder stood around while Westbrook went on one of those balls out drives and finished some ridiculous layup or dunk. Durant's offensive game has some holes (putting smaller defenders on him can blow up his dribble drives and since he can't post up, he ends up taking some garbage fallaway, plus it's not so hard to deny the ball to him), whereas Kobe was more versatile.

The 14 Spurs were most likely better than the 03 Spurs, but I really feel like the 03 Spurs were better defensively (clearly the 14 Spurs were miles better offensively). The 14 Spurs had more defenders to throw at Durant (Green/Manu/Leonard), but the 03 Spurs have Bruce Bowen plus peak Duncan playing 40 minutes a game. But again...the Spurs could throw more defenders at Durant because of an exploitable hole in Durant's game. Kobe would've eaten everyone apart from Bowen alive on the 03 Spurs.

Durant's obviously more efficient and probably has better shot selection, but apart from that...I don't really know what he's better than 03 Kobe at.

14 Lebron's probably better though.

[Ne 1]

IMO '03 Kobe would be considered the best player in the league if he played in the league right now. This is the weakest era of bigs and weakest era of superstars compared to back then he was measured against prime Shaq/Duncan/KG as a guard, those were the only players who were better than him.

Scoring wise he trumps anyone. I don't think there's any players since prime Jordan that was as dynamic and creative, inside and out on offense. 2003 Kobe:
30 PPG
7 RPG
6 APG
2.2 SPG
0.8 BPG
57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)
23 double-doubles
5 triple-doubles
20 40+ point games

Did it in the greatest defensive era (1999-2004) :eek: :bowdown:

[dubeta]

Definitely not top 5, 30 ppg chuckers who shoot 45% ish arent exactly efficient

Doesnt, have the efficient scoring of the bigs/forwards (LeBron, Blake, Durant)

Doesnt have the playmaking skills of the guards (Paul ,Curry)

Him and Westbrook is arguable but Westbrook is much more aggressive and attacks the basket hard instead of shooting those fadeaway bricks

Probably #7

[Carbine]

He would be tied for #2 at worst.

[ArbitraryWater]

IMO '03 Kobe would be considered the best player in the league if he played in the league right now. This is the weakest era of bigs and weakest era of superstars compared to back then he was measured against prime Shaq/Duncan/KG as a guard, those were the only players who were better than him.

Scoring wise he trumps anyone. I don't think there's any players since prime Jordan that was as dynamic and creative, inside and out on offense. 2003 Kobe:
30 PPG
7 RPG
6 APG
2.2 SPG
0.8 BPG
57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)
23 double-doubles
5 triple-doubles
20 40+ point games

Did it in the greatest defensive era (1999-2004) :eek: :bowdown:


Kobe fans getting as desperate as Wilt stans.. adjusting efficiency for league average n shit :facepalm

[guy]

Top 2-3. Pretty crazy, there wouldn't be any big man like Shaq, Duncan, or KG in the argument. Not only is there no big time centers in the league anymore, but the quality of power forwards is also going down. All the big time PFs in today's game like Love, Griffin, LMA lack the defensive prowess. And guys like Noah and Duncan who are renowned defensively don't put up the scoring numbers. Really, its only Dwight Howard and Anthony Davis that put up close to 20/10 with elite defense, and they still clearly aren't on the level of Duncan or KG were back then.

[Jameerthefear]

Top 2-3. Pretty crazy, there wouldn't be any big man like Shaq, Duncan, or KG in the argument. Not only is there no big time centers in the league anymore, but the quality of power forwards is also going down. All the big time PFs in today's game like Love, Griffin, LMA lack the defensive prowess. And guys like Noah and Duncan who are renowned defensively don't put up the scoring numbers. Really, its only Dwight Howard and Anthony Davis that put up close to 20/10 with elite defense, and they still clearly aren't on the level of Duncan or KG were back then.
davis will be. might be even better tbh.

[BlackVVaves]

Without Shaq he would average something like 25/5/5 on 40%
So not even top 10. More around Tyreke Evans tier.

You do realize that Kobe put up a sizable portion of his numbers that season with Shaq injured and out the lineup right? :roll:

Oh right, I forgot. You were born 4 years earlier, so you have no idea wtf you're talking about.....again.

[BlackVVaves]

IMO '03 Kobe would be considered the best player in the league if he played in the league right now. This is the weakest era of bigs and weakest era of superstars compared to back then he was measured against prime Shaq/Duncan/KG as a guard, those were the only players who were better than him.

Scoring wise he trumps anyone. I don't think there's any players since prime Jordan that was as dynamic and creative, inside and out on offense. 2003 Kobe:
30 PPG
7 RPG
6 APG
2.2 SPG
0.8 BPG
57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)
23 double-doubles
5 triple-doubles
20 40+ point games

Did it in the greatest defensive era (1999-2004) :eek: :bowdown:

Did they lace your weed or something? Wtf is this shit? Adjusted for league average? :oldlol:

[moe94]

Did they lace your weed or something? Wtf is this shit? Adjusted for league average? :oldlol:
:roll:

Kobe stans are straight up delusional.

[riseagainst]

he'd be the best player in the league and it isn't even close.

1. Kobe
2. Durant
3. Kawhi Leonard
4. Paul George
5. Westbrook

[Jameerthefear]

Dude, your 14 let the grown ups talk, go back and play your barbies with your friends....oops you have no friends, go play barbie by youself you low life son of a b|tch, "I only watch YOUTUBE for highlights" dude stfu,

No wonder why you have no friends, thats sad jameer, go out and enjoy your teenage years, why waste it on ISH?
Your other account get banned, bud? :oldlol:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=132919

[Dragonyeuw]

He'd be better than he was in 2003. That was before the rule changes opening it up for perimeter players.

[Milbuck]

Tied with Lebron, argument for best in the world.

[moe94]

Your other account get banned, bud? :oldlol:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=132919


It's funny because no one else writes "b|tch". Homie said he was lurking. hahaha

[Legends66NBA7]

02/03 is probably my favourite version of Bryant. He's Top 3 at worst, no question IMO.

It would also depend on which team he was playing for. I'd think that would effect his ranking.

[Jameerthefear]

It's funny because no one else writes "b|tch". Homie said he was lurking. hahaha
He's terrible at hiding it :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Dude, your 14 let the grown ups talk, go back and play your barbies with your friends....oops you have no friends, go play barbie by youself you low life son of a b|tch, "I only watch YOUTUBE for highlights" dude stfu,

No wonder why you have no friends, thats sad jameer, go out and enjoy your teenage years, why waste it on ISH?
:roll: :roll: :roll: Littledick McGee's back!

[jaybee682]

Depending on his team. He would be #1 for sure. If he was on a team like the 08 or 09 Lakers. He would be seen as better than Lebron or Durant.

[HurricaneKid]

Did they lace your weed or something? Wtf is this shit? Adjusted for league average? :oldlol:

I'm glad someone else noticed this. TS% is NOT an adjustable stat. Yet Kobestans like to just increase his stats because #KobeFace #DatKillerInstinct

[HurricaneKid]

He'd be better than he was in 2003. That was before the rule changes opening it up for perimeter players.

No. It did the opposite. I don't get why people don't understand this.

[SOD 21]

A prime and healthy Kobe Bryant would certainly be a top three player in today's game, no question. It would be hard to place him above LeBron James, so LeBron would still be number one.

Many of the advanced statistics would favor by Kevin Durant against Kobe Bryant. However after just watching in this year's playoffs and the way that Kevin Durant struggled with physical defenses on him and was taking out of some by smaller players, I would choose Kobe Bryant over him because he is more difficult to guard and is also a far better defense of player.

So LeBron James one, Kobe Bryant two and Kevin Durant three. I'll place Anthony Davis fourth because I expect big things from this kid.

[tpols]

He'd be the best player in the game..

[Element]

Did they lace your weed or something? Wtf is this shit? Adjusted for league average? :oldlol:

It's another way of saying "relative to leauge average" which is a legitimate method to evaluate players. Basically, in 03, the league was playing at a slower pace and defenses were at their peaks. League average efficiency obviously took a hit because of that. Kobe had a TS% of 55, which is okay in today's league, which is averaging around 53-54TS%. Back in the days, the league as a whole shot around 51 TS%, though, which makes Kobe's numbers more impressive.

55 TS% in 03 = 57 TS% now

And that's not adjusting for the fact that he not only played tougher defenses, but also played in the handcheck-era and teams like the Pistons and Spurs used to get away with murder on the court.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It's another way of saying "relative to leauge average" which is a legitimate method to evaluate players. Basically, in 03, the league was playing at a slower pace and defenses were at their peaks. League average efficiency obviously took a hit because of that. Kobe had a TS% of 55, which is okay in today's league, which is averaging around 53-54TS%. Back in the days, the league as a whole shot around 51 TS%, though, which makes Kobe's numbers more impressive.

55 TS% in 03 = 57 TS% now

And that's not adjusting for the fact that he not only played tougher defenses, but also played in the handcheck-era and teams like the Pistons and Spurs used to get away with murder on the court.
Actually, that's exactly what it's doing.

[plowking]

Typically, the only people saying he'd be the best are Laker fans, or Lebron haters. Most level headed people know he'd either be 2nd or 3rd.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The debate between him and Durant is an interesting one. I could be swayed either way. I'm not sure who i'd take....

[Knicks014Champs]

Third after Melo and Bron.

[Heavincent]

Typically, the only people saying he'd be the best are Laker fans, or Lebron haters. Most level headed people know he'd either be 2nd or 3rd.

Why do Heat/Lebron homers always pull the "I'm an objective and level headed fan" card? You're just as biased as anyone else.

[plowking]

Why do Heat/Lebron homers always pull the "I'm an objective and level headed fan" card? You're just as biased as anyone else.

I'm making an observation. It has literally only been Lakers fans that have said he'd be the obvious best. Every other impartial person has said 2nd or 3rd.

I think most people recognize that prime Bron is a better player than prime Kobe.

Difference is, I thought Bron was the best in the league even when he was my least favourite player while playing for the Cavs.