real footage of ISIS or ISIL (warning extremely graphic)

[MavsSuperFan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGPzinXvY8
(warning extremely graphic)
14:35 they just execute a guy.

I still dont think its in american interests to help the Shia of Iraq gain control, but I am rooting for them.

Actually it would probably be best to split the country in 3. Give the kurds their area, the sunnis their area and the shia their area.

[MadeFromDust]

buncha hateful birds, the "tares" of the world

[tomtucker]

muslims are the devil..........May the earth one day be free from them, so others can live peacefully

[Derka]

Actually it would probably be best to split the country in 3. Give the kurds their area, the sunnis their area and the shia their area.

It wouldn't stop there. It never does.

[MavsSuperFan]

It wouldn't stop there. It never does.
ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam, but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.

[tomtucker]

all that shit in the video................soon coming to a european country near you........... lets hope all the fagggots that love them so much are the first to get their throats slit, all the traitors and politicians that closed their eyes and promised there would be no problems and everyone would live happily together.........may they burn in hell, along with the fools who belived them.

[ZenMaster]

all that shit in the video................soon coming to a european country near you........... lets hope all the fagggots that love them so much are the first to get their throats slit, all the traitors and politicians that closed their eyes and promised there would be no problems and everyone would live happily together.........may they burn in hell, along with the fools who belived them.

The forbidden speech....Watch out or somebody will claim for you to be the next Breivik.

[S13M]

all that shit in the video................soon coming to a european country near you........... lets hope all the fagggots that love them so much are the first to get their throats slit, all the traitors and politicians that closed their eyes and promised there would be no problems and everyone would live happily together.........may they burn in hell, along with the fools who belived them.

Thanks EU, keep the borders open.

[Done_And_Done]

muslims are the devil..........May the earth one day be free from them, so others can live peacefully


Muslims are actually very peace driven people my dude. It's the extremists that are worrisome to the rest of the world...

[BasedTom]

Ottomans would have kept those bitches in line. Just saying.

[highwhey]

So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.

I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.

If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?

[Rodmantheman]

So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.

I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.

If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?


The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm

[MavsSuperFan]

So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.

I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.

If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?
Its a very complicated situation. On the surface the US should obviously fight the comicbookishly evil guys that murder, torture, crucify, etc people and post it on youtube.

ISIS does drive bys, they make fathers and sons dig graves for each other, etc. And the video tape it all.

With that said many US allies in the region are probably secretly rooting for ISIS. We have a lot of Sunni dictators in the region as allies, eg. Saudi arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc.

These powers fear the non sunni powers in the region, particularly Shia Iran. Who also happens to be opposed to many american interests. They support hezbollah and Assad's alawite dictatorship. Just a 2 weeks ago it looked like Iran would gain in influence in the region. Assad was winning and Iraq's shia majority had just won an election confirming their control. Obviously as the strongest non-sunni/shia power iran would wield great power in the region.

The rise of ISIS has hurt iranian prospects. All of a sudden their ally/client state of Assad's syria is on the defensive and Iraq's shia army (armed and trained by americans) ran and hid. (30,000 soldiers armed with assault rifles, body armor, tanks, APC, air support, etc ran from 800 ISIS fighters with aks, rpgs and cars)

Assad is also an enemy of america

Also al-Maliki discriminated against the sunnis. When we left Iraq, he was sharing power with sunnis. After we left he systematically purged them from the government. Sunni discontent with maliki is a big factor in them flocking to ISIS fighters.

[RoseCity07]

Muslims are actually very peace driven people my dude. It's the extremists that are worrisome to the rest of the world...

But I think those Muslims would still be peaceful people without their religion. The extremists wouldn't have a basis for their hatred. So we're better off without any religion.

[KevinNYC]

So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.

I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.

If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?

We no longer have a trillion dollar deficit. It's expected to be half of that this year.

I have no idea the point you are making about $400 vs the $17 trillion US debt. There doesn't seem to be any logic to it.

[KevinNYC]

The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm

This applies if you think all Muslims are the same.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam, but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.
its always about whats best for america eh??
disgusting creature.
just as disgusting as the guys in the video you posted. but more subtle

[fiddy]

So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.

I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch this terrorist group undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.

If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?
Those arent simple terrorist, those jihadist, and they are probably being funded by U.S.'s buddies Saudi Arabia and Qatar

[Marlo_Stanfield]

The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm
this
America doesnt give a shit abut any other country.
they attacked Iraq only to secure the oil and calm down the American people who wanted to see blood after 9/11. the government is also hugely controlled by the war industry and thats why they are so easy to invade countries.
just look at what they did to Libya.
attacked a country where 95% of the population BENEFITED from Gaddafi. Gaddafi made the country rich and spread the money under ALL people. he was a socialist. so America had to destroy him because successful socialism isn't allowed to exist.
now look at Syria. 200000 innocent people have already been killed there by a monster of a dictator and America refuses to give a shit.
Why?? because they don't benefit from invading it/destroying Assad.
America is the real devil, groups like Al-Quaida and Isis are only there minions:facepalm

[Rodmantheman]

This applies if you think all Muslims are the same.

http://newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/usaid-alqaeda.jpg

[KevinNYC]

Its a very complicated situation. On the surface the US should obviously fight the comicbookishly evil guys that murder, torture, crucify, etc people and post it on youtube.

ISIS does drive bys, they make fathers and sons dig graves for each other, etc. And the video tape it all.

With that said many US allies in the region are probably secretly rooting for ISIS. We have a lot of Sunni dictators in the region as allies, eg. Saudi arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc.

These powers fear the non sunni powers in the region, particularly Shia Iran. Who also happens to be opposed to many american interests. They support hezbollah and Assad's alawite dictatorship. Just a 2 weeks ago it looked like Iran would gain in influence in the region. Assad was winning and Iraq's shia majority had just won an election confirming their control. Obviously as the strongest non-sunni/shia power iran would wield great power in the region.

The rise of ISIS has hurt iranian prospects. All of a sudden their ally/client state of Assad's syria is on the defensive and Iraq's shia army (armed and trained by americans) ran and hid. (30,000 soldiers armed with assault rifles, body armor, tanks, APC, air support, etc ran from 800 ISIS fighters with aks, rpgs and cars)

Assad is also an enemy of america

Also al-Maliki discriminated against the sunnis. When we left Iraq, he was sharing power with sunnis. After we left he systematically purged them from the government. Sunni discontent with maliki is a big factor in them flocking to ISIS fighters.

This is not just ISIS doing the fighting. Baathist elements and tribal militias are part of this too. It's a second Sunni uprising against Maliki. So if Maliki/The Shia were gone these groups would be fighting each other for control. It's a temporary alliance.

As for Assad's alawite dictatorship, there's a growing body of thought that he has supported ISIS. When the rebellion started he freed a lot of Sunni Militants who then went into the fight against him, It helped him claim that the rebellion against him was 100% jihadi. Newsweek just put something out on this. (http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631) Also Assad has been buying oil from ISIS (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/world/middleeast/rebels-in-syria-claim-control-of-resources.html?_r=0)
[QUOTE]The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is even selling fuel to the Assad government, lending weight to allegations by opposition leaders that it is secretly working with Damascus to weaken the other rebel groups and discourage international support for their cause.

Although there is no clear evidence of direct tactical coordination between the group and Mr. Assad, American officials say that his government has facilitated the group

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Those arent simple terrorist, those jihadist, and they are probably being funded by U.S.'s buddies Saudi Arabia and Qatar
just had a German political explain in our national TV how its okay for Germany to keep exporting massive numbers of weapons into Arabian states even tho they end up in terrorists hands.
he stated that it

[Rodmantheman]

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5385/images/BSxLKdlCUAES8W8.jpg

[fiddy]

This is not just ISIS doing the fighting. Baathist elements and tribal militias are part of this too. It's a second Sunni uprising against Maliki. So if Maliki/The Shia were gone these groups would be fighting each other for control. It's a temporary alliance.

As for Assad's alawite dictatorship, there's a growing body of thought that he has supported ISIS. When the rebellion started he freed a lot of Sunni Militants who then went into the fight against him, It helped him claim that the rebellion against him was 100% jihadi. Newsweek just put something out on this. (http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631) Also Assad has been buying oil from ISIS (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/world/middleeast/rebels-in-syria-claim-control-of-resources.html?_r=0)


Syria's Assad accused of boosting al-Qaeda with secret oil deals (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10585391/Syrias-Assad-accused-of-boosting-al-Qaeda-with-secret-oil-deals.html)
Its the Saudis, why would Assad support jihadist

[Rodmantheman]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UgcnxaNdMHg/UccB_evOwOI/AAAAAAAAARE/zQB0AW7mOWs/s1600/bashar+the+bad+guy.jpg

[KevinNYC]

http://newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/usaid-alqaeda.jpg

And what exactly does that photo show?

You can find US Aid tents throughout Pakistan and Afghanistan. In India, Thailand, the Philippines etc.

You do know there's about 3 million Syria refugees from the War right. They live in camps like this.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5507754-3x2-940x627.jpg

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/IscY4oZGwctScru1ej9SIw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW 9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/a9b1ee522354002a460f6a706700ed30.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61889000/jpg/_61889228_tents.jpg

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/syrian-refugee-camp-in-turkey-e1343744464635.jpg

[KevinNYC]

Its the Saudis, why would Assad support jihadist

Because it complicates and undercuts any rationale to fund his opponents. Because it forces Alawites to choose him for protection and then he gets to portray himself as the heroic last defense against the jihadis.

Why at the revolution broke out would he clear his jails of militants like this?

Dictator's don't think the way others do..........actually here's someone making the same point

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UgcnxaNdMHg/UccB_evOwOI/AAAAAAAAARE/zQB0AW7mOWs/s1600/bashar+the+bad+guy.jpg

[Rodmantheman]

Because it complicates and undercuts any rationale to fund his opponents. Because it forces Alawites to choose him for protection and then he gets to portray himself as the heroic last defense against the jihadis.

Why at the revolution broke out would he clear his jails of militants like this?

Dictator's don't think the way others do..........actually here's someone making the same point

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UgcnxaNdMHg/UccB_evOwOI/AAAAAAAAARE/zQB0AW7mOWs/s1600/bashar+the+bad+guy.jpg

If he was a dictator he would have been over thrown you idiot most of the population support him:hammerhead:

[KevinNYC]

If he was a dictator he would have been over thrown you idiot most of the population support him:hammerhead:
Lots of folks supported Saddam Hussein as well, do you think he wasn't a dictator?

Do you think the three year + rebellion is because he is so supported by his people? Do you think none of the opposition is domestic?

Remind me again in 2011 before Assad's crackdown, were this people coming out to protest Assad or support Assad.
http://womennewsnetwork.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/017-SYRIAprotestsJuly2011Imagesyriana2011.jpg

http://woollydays.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/hama2bprotest.png

[DonDadda59]

ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam, but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.

If only he wasn't getting ready to attack the US with weapons of mass destruction. Oh well, I'm sure the war wasn't a complete waste and everything will work itself out.

[MavsSuperFan]

its always about whats best for america eh??
disgusting creature.
just as disgusting as the guys in the video you posted. but more subtle
:rolleyes: I honestly believe a pro american dictator would have yielded the best practical results for the iraqi people.

We are fine in america either way. If iraq explodes in a civil war it wont affect us in america in any meaningful way, except increasing gas prices.

This civil war will cost many lives and displaces many others. Its kind of our fault for cracking the lid on the pressure cooker, by getting rid of Saddam unleashing the volatile sectarian ambitions

the worst case scenario is that what is happening in Iraq triggers a massive war between the Sunni Powers in the region and Iran, Assad's syria and shia iraq. that would be a tragedy, and the primal reason for it will have been the bush administrations poor management of the occupation of Iraq

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:rolleyes: I honestly believe a pro american dictator would have yielded the best practical results for the iraqi people.

We are fine in america either way. If iraq explodes in a civil war it wont affect us in america in any meaningful way, except increasing gas prices.

This civil war will cost many lives and displaces many others. Its kind of our fault for cracking the lid on the pressure cooker, by getting rid of Saddam unleashing the volatile sectarian ambitions

the worst case scenario is that what is happening in Iraq triggers a massive war between the Sunni Powers in the region and Iran, Assad's syria and shia iraq. that would be a tragedy, and the primal reason for it will have been the bush administrations poor management of the occupation of Iraq
you are truly disgusting.
you guys killed Saddam and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??

[MavsSuperFan]

you are truly disgusting.
you guys killed Saddam and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??
My point was america is going to be fine either way, one of the main reasons I think assigning a pro american dictator in Iraq would have been a good idea is because I legitimately think it would benefit the innocent people of Iraq and the whole region.

American foreign policy is selfish, no doubt, but america is overall a moral country and would lead to better outcomes in the long run imo. Eg. how we ran the occupation of Japan after WW2

How I rank the possible outcomes in this situation:
1. establish a pro american moderate sunni dictator. An Iraqi Hosni Mubarak basically.

IMO ideally we would have kept in place Saddam's military and the Baath party. The Baath party had all the experienced technocrats and Saddam had one of the strongest armies in the middle east (they tied with Iran during the iraqi-iran war)

We would have chosen a moderate among the sunni elite, a non-crazy person.

Iraqis would benefit because the order that would have been kept in place by not dismantling the military and government institutions. Also the guy we chose would have been less crazy than saddam, Qusay, or Uday.
Eg. the rape rooms would have been gotten rid of.

2. Leave Saddam in power. Saddams crazy sons (read up on them, they were worse than he was) would have also been left in power.

3. what we actually did, push for democratic elections, which inevitably would have resulted in civil war given the historical and demographic context of Iraq

[Draz]

No matter how you cut it, religion is and always will be the downfall of mankind.

[andgar923]

Hate to state the obvious, but people are people.

If it isn't religion, it's drugs, politics, money, power etc. etc.

These people will use whatever they can to justify their deplorable acts. Nobody is truly innocent, almost every country has had their fare share of savage behavior and sick way of justifying their actions.

Sadly, people follow, people blame/point finger, people be people.

[andgar923]

the mutts of the word. like black people here.

or white people just about everywhere else, specially history.

[BasedTom]

or white people just about everywhere else, specially history.
Look at Australia before and after. How dare those evil imperialists bring schools, technology, and hospitals to the lands they colonized.

Not every place was the Belgian Congo...And let's be real here, Belgium should never have entered the race in the first place.

[LJJ]

ISIL, another byproduct of the "Arabic Spring" supported by the west, composed in a large part of European fighters.

The most brutal, the most barbaric, the most Islamic. Sickening the way we have facilitated this suffering in the Middle East and sickening the way ISIL has the support of the majority of the Muslims in the west.

[tomtucker]

you are truly disgusting.
you guys killed Saddam and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??

no, that was donald rumsfelt and bush.........not the US population

[tomtucker]

ISIL, another byproduct of the "Arabic Spring" supported by the west, composed in a large part of European fighters.

The most brutal, the most barbaric, the most Islamic. Sickening the way we have facilitated this suffering in the Middle East and sickening the way ISIL has the support of the majority of the Muslims in the west.

and when they are tired they go back to the euro country they live in, to rest , and continue to collect some wellfare and child support money.........nice to have shit like that in europe, thank you euro goverments and islam-loving bitches

[masonanddixon]

or white people just about everywhere else, specially history.

Nah, whites just had the technical power to do the same shit everyone has been doing since the dawn of man but to a much more devastating and definitive effect.

Man is inherently evil, unfortunate as it is to say.

[eriX]

Look at Australia before and after. How dare those evil imperialists bring schools, technology, and hospitals to the lands they colonized.

Not every place was the Belgian Congo...And let's be real here, Belgium should never have entered the race in the first place.

i dont think you know australian history but tons of indigenous people died amongst other things when Cook arrived at Australia...

[MavsSuperFan]

you are truly disgusting.
you guys killed Saddam and his regime, who were the only reason for the middle east to be somewhat stable.
YOU are the reason those disgusting terrorists now can take over TWO countries and kill INNOCENT people.
doesnt that fell bad at all?? oh wait its not affecting America so i guess not:facepalm
sorry for ran t now after i read your entire post i shouldnt have ranted like that.
at least you admit that it is Bushs fault.
but Obama is not really any better.
running out of Iraq only because he promised it when he got elected.
why not close Guantanamo first you dumb nikka(Obama)??
You should've read the full post, but i just wanted to be clear

I said that there really is no american interest in this situation because you said I only wanted what's best for america.

Just pointing out that america will be fine either way. I think currently a partition of the country is the only hope to avoid a civil war, if not a massive regional war.

America would imo bear a significant amount of responsibility for any Sunni-shia war, as our push for democracy in Iraq triggered it imo. We should have just let saddam control iraq if the alternative was this.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

My point was america is going to be fine either way, one of the main reasons I think assigning a pro american dictator in Iraq would have been a good idea is because I legitimately think it would benefit the innocent people of Iraq and the whole region.

American foreign policy is selfish, no doubt, but america is overall a moral country and would lead to better outcomes in the long run imo. Eg. how we ran the occupation of Japan after WW2

How I rank the possible outcomes in this situation:
1. establish a pro american moderate sunni dictator. An Iraqi Hosni Mubarak basically.

IMO ideally we would have kept in place Saddam's military and the Baath party. The Baath party had all the experienced technocrats and Saddam had one of the strongest armies in the middle east (they tied with Iran during the iraqi-iran war)

We would have chosen a moderate among the sunni elite, a non-crazy person.

Iraqis would benefit because the order that would have been kept in place by not dismantling the military and government institutions. Also the guy we chose would have been less crazy than saddam, Qusay, or Uday.
Eg. the rape rooms would have been gotten rid of.

2. Leave Saddam in power. Saddams crazy sons (read up on them, they were worse than he was) would have also been left in power.

3. what we actually did, push for democratic elections, which inevitably would have resulted in civil war given the historical and demographic context of Iraq
one day you will wake up from your delusions.
not ONCE in the history of mankind has a pro American dictator EVER benefited the people in that region. NOT ONCE.:facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You should've read the full post, but i just wanted to be clear

I said that there really is no american interest in this situation because you said I only wanted what's best for america.

Just pointing out that america will be fine either way. I think currently a partition of the country is the only hope to avoid a civil war, if not a massive regional war.

America would imo bear a significant amount of responsibility for any Sunni-shia war, as our push for democracy in Iraq triggered it imo. We should have just let saddam control iraq if the alternative was this.
not only in Iraq.
to a lesser extend look at Libya and the north african countries. CIA and similar western institutions of other countries boosted the revelution there.
America destroyed Gaddafis regime.
and now look what a once quite wealthy and well developed country has become: an absolute SHITHOLE.
that happens everytime America claims they "free" a country. EVERY single time.
yet American people still let their politicians get away with it or even support the wars:facepalm

[KevinNYC]

no, that was donald rumsfelt and bush.........not the US population
Technically, it was the Mahdi Army. They also filmed it.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2006/12/30/saddamgetty.jpg

[MavsSuperFan]

Technically, it was the Mahdi Army. They also filmed it.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2006/12/30/saddamgetty.jpg
:applause: Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.

Still he could have stopped this mess happening today. ISIL is just take towns at will now

[MavsSuperFan]

one day you will wake up from your delusions.
not ONCE in the history of mankind has a pro American dictator EVER benefited the people in that region. NOT ONCE.:facepalm
:facepalm your criticisms would be less hypocritical if you didn't simultaneously dismiss the far more purposeful crimes of the German empire.

Further as a german you should be thankful that america kept the USSR from occupying all of germany. Eg. compare west germany and east germany.

America helped germany and western europe a lot. Do you honestly think after the devastation of WW2 without american interference you all wouldn't have become soviet satellites?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany


As Allied troops entered and occupied German territory during the later stages of World War II mass rapes took place both in connection with combat operations and during the subsequent occupation. Most Western scholars agree that the majority of the rapes were committed by Soviet servicemen, but estimates vary widely. Russian historians have criticized the estimates and argue that these crimes were not widespread.

The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers ranged up to 2 million.[1][6][7][8][9] In many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[10] At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[7] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[11] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[3][12] Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history", and has concluded that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.

via the marshall plan the US made modern europe possible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was the American initiative to aid Europe, in which the United States gave $13 billion in economic support to help rebuild European economies after the end of World War II in order to prevent the spread of Soviet Communism.[1] The plan was in operation for four years beginning in April 1948.[2] The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, and make Europe prosperous again.[3] The phrase "equivalent of the Marshall Plan" is often used to describe a proposed large-scale rescue program.[4]

The initiative[5] was named after Secretary of State George Marshall. The plan had bipartisan support in Washington, where the Republicans controlled Congress and the Democrats controlled the White House. The Plan was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan, with help from Brookings Institution, as requested by Senator Arthur H. Vandenberg, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.[6] Marshall spoke of an urgent need to help the European recovery in his address at Harvard University in June 1947

You're welcome.

Nobody from western europe, Canada, Kuwait, japan, taiwan or south korea has any right to criticize america.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

if Germany would have gotten absorbed by the USA i wouldnt complain( i wouldnt have been born anyway) because they would have deserved it.
what Germany did in the past in a 20 year span has nothing to do with what America is doing through their entire history to this day

[MavsSuperFan]

if Germany would have gotten absorbed by the USA i wouldnt complain( i wouldnt have been born anyway) because they would have deserved it.
what Germany did in the past in a 20 year span has nothing to do with what America is doing through their entire history to this day

You realize imperial germany is different from nazi germany right?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You realize imperial germany is different from nazi germany right?
no,i

[MavsSuperFan]

one day you will wake up from your delusions.
not ONCE in the history of mankind has a pro American dictator EVER benefited the people in that region. NOT ONCE.:facepalm
Off the top of my head:

Taiwan - Chiang Kai Shek was a dictator that only managed to survive losing the chinese civil war, because the US 7th fleet prevented mao from invading. He was basically a military dictator in taiwan until his death


Chiang Ching kuo succeeded his father to serve as Premier of the Republic of China between 1972 and 1978, and was the President of the Republic of China from 1978 until his death in 1988. Under his tenure, the government of the Republic of China, while authoritarian, became more open and tolerant of political dissent. Towards the end of his life, Chiang relaxed government controls on the media and speech and allowed native Taiwanese into positions of power, including his successor Lee Teng-hui.

It was only during his son's leadership of taiwan that it became a genuine democracy. Today Taiwan is a vibrant pro american democracy with a dynamic free market economy. People live in a highly developed first world country.

South Korea -Syngman Rhee and Park Chung-hee were both dictators of south korea. Korea was a colony of japan. The russians took the north, we took the south. The russians gave the north to kim il sung. We gave the south to rhee

[QUOTE]Park Chung-hee (Korean: [paktɕ͈ʌŋhi] 14 November 1917 – 26 October 1979) was a South Korean president and military general who led South Korea from 1961 until his assassination in 1979. Park seized power through a military coup d'

[Gr]

:facepalm your criticisms would be less hypocritical if you didn't simultaneously dismiss the far more purposeful crimes of the German empire.

Further as a german you should be thankful that america kept the USSR from occupying all of germany. Eg. compare west germany and east germany.

America helped germany and western europe a lot. Do you honestly think after the devastation of WW2 without american interference you all wouldn't have become soviet satellites?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany



via the marshall plan the US made modern europe possible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan


You're welcome.

Nobody from western europe, Canada, Kuwait, japan, taiwan or south korea has any right to criticize america.

Welcome to 2014. :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

Muslims are actually very peace driven people my dude. It's the extremists that are worrisome to the rest of the world...
that's not truth

see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)

[Gr]

Your great grandfather was just as bad as me. Therefore you can't criticize me. Some logic. :applause:

I love the US as a country but the foreign policy has done A LOT of damage, with a little bit of good sprinkled in between, and needs a MAJOR overhaul.

[MavsSuperFan]

[QUOTE=Gr

[zoom17]

Isis captured the country's main oil refinery at Baiji, north of Baghdad.

[Gr]

US foreign policy has done far more good than bad.
The fact that you dont speak russian is a testament to that fact.

If a south american were to criticize american foreign policy, than thats fair. But not a western european

Like I said, welcome to 2014.

[MavsSuperFan]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Rodmantheman]

1. name a country in the world that does more good than the US currently?

2. - Guaranteeing the defense and sovereignty of NATO countries, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, philippines, Israel, arab allies, etc Thus allowing these countries to spend on non military things.
- largest total expenditure on foreign aid
- largest culumlative private donations to foreign charities

Basically every time a country gets in trouble it turns to the US.
Eg. Ukraine


America!!!

http://randommization.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fdr-battlemaster.jpg

[BasedTom]

1. name a country in the world that does more good than the US currently?

2. - Guaranteeing the defense and sovereignty of NATO countries, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, philippines, Israel, arab allies, etc Thus allowing these countries to spend on non military things.
- largest total expenditure on foreign aid
- largest culumlative private donations to foreign charities

Basically every time a country gets in trouble it turns to the US.
Eg. Ukraine
:biggums:

It's like you think supporting an oppressive apartheid state is a good thing. If USA bombed Serbia for what they did, then the Zionist state in Palestine deserves much much worse. But where's the money in that?

[zoom17]

:biggums:

It's like you think supporting an oppressive apartheid state is a good thing. If USA bombed Serbia for what they did, then the Zionist state in Palestine deserves much much worse. But where's the money in that?

Be careful you can be banned for this just saying:confusedshrug:

[BasedTom]

Be careful you can be banned for this just saying:confusedshrug:
I don't mind jews at all. Hell, I live in a city with a sizable community of them and have had the great opportunity to meet Holocaust survivors.

The troubles of the past don't excuse the crimes going on today. All groups and people are capable of committing evils

[bdreason]

The World must fear evil men... but there is a greater evil... one that the World must fear most of all... and that is the indifference of good men.

[tomtucker]

that's not truth

see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)

+ a higher crime rate........the weak punishments in euro countries means they don

[pauk]

that's not truth

see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)

Does Bosnia in Europe qualify? (lots of muslims, SLAVIC muslims, in Balkans anyways since forever) Bosnia is dominated by muslim population since a very long long time, never heard of extremism, terrorism or support for what you talk about.... ever... not even before/after the Serbs (christians) did their genocide thing upon them.... why do you think you (Americans) helped those muslims and bombed christians including abrogate their leader Milosevic?
Hell, Serbs were at war even with my country (Croatia), dominated by Christians, killing eachother both in the name of Jesus, confusing, what religion do we blame now? Oh no, we cant, not when its our own, we never did, only then are we LOGICAL............

I am not fond of religion, but thats not the problem at all.... people are the problem.... BAD people are the problem....... they are everywhere...... and no religion can help them.... some of them will even indoctrine what the religion is for their evil deeds sake just to try and feel better about themselves like these guys in the video for example "Allah Akbar!", like they really think they will go to heaven for what they are doing despite the Koran clearly stating that you are not allowed to even offend anyone at any circumstance, better yet kill or even better yet kill any random muslim (like they more than happily do as you can see in this video)........... those people are not muslims, actual muslims hate them more than any of you do.... they are offended by anybody calling them muslims of any kind, even "muslim extremist", there is NO SUCH THING......... there is muslim and then there is A GUY WITH A SCREW LOOSE who just so happened to be born as a muslim.... there has been such people within any religion.........

[Marlo_Stanfield]

US foreign policy has done far more good than bad.
The fact that you dont speak russian is a testament to that fact.

If a south american were to criticize american foreign policy, than thats fair. But not a western european
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[ace23]

Link in the OP is down. Anybody have another?

[pastis]

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americans truly believe that their foreign policy is appreciated in the world. thats so funny, its like the 30s and 40s in germany, most germans thought that occuppying countrys is their right.
americans are one of the most hated poeple out there. where did they do anything good in the world? rebuilding germany wasnt due for charity`s sake. they were afraid of soviet union and needed a strong partner at the fronline.
if i imagine what they did in panama etc etc etc:facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

americans truly believe that their foreign policy is appreciated in the world. thats so funny, its like the 30s and 40s in germany, most germans thought that occuppying countrys is their right.
americans are one of the most hated poeple out there. where did they do anything good in the world? rebuilding germany wasnt due for charity`s sake. they were afraid of soviet union and needed a strong partner at the fronline.
if i imagine what they did in panama etc etc etc:facepalm
hell they killed Che Guevara and didnt even try to hide it:roll: :roll:
but he bad bad an evil communist tho.
Panama,Niaragua,Vietnam,Iraq,Libya and that are just a few examples:facepalm :facepalm

[JtotheIzzo]

Hearts and minds obviously won.

There is no solution, these people are still in the dark ages.

[Nowitness]

Divine right no doubt, in their heads and many others what they are doing is justified.

[fiddy]

Does Bosnia in Europe qualify? (lots of muslims, SLAVIC muslims, in Balkans anyways since forever) Bosnia is dominated by muslim population since a very long long time, never heard of extremism, terrorism or support for what you talk about.... ever... not even before/after the Serbs (christians) did their genocide thing upon them.... why do you think you (Americans) helped those muslims and bombed christians including abrogate their leader Milosevic?
Hell, Serbs were at war even with my country (Croatia), dominated by Christians, killing eachother both in the name of Jesus, confusing, what religion do we blame now? Oh no, we cant, not when its our own, we never did, only then are we LOGICAL............

I am not fond of religion, but thats not the problem at all.... people are the problem.... BAD people are the problem....... they are everywhere...... and no religion can help them.... some of them will even indoctrine what the religion is for their evil deeds sake just to try and feel better about themselves like these guys in the video for example "Allah Akbar!", like they really think they will go to heaven for what they are doing despite the Koran clearly stating that you are not allowed to even offend anyone at any circumstance, better yet kill or even better yet kill any random muslim (like they more than happily do as you can see in this video)........... those people are not muslims, actual muslims hate them more than any of you do.... they are offended by anybody calling them muslims of any kind, even "muslim extremist", there is NO SUCH THING......... there is muslim and then there is A GUY WITH A SCREW LOOSE who just so happened to be born as a muslim.... there has been such people within any religion.........

There are people with Kosovo passports in the OP's video. Just saying.

[LJJ]

Does Bosnia in Europe qualify? (lots of muslims, SLAVIC muslims, in Balkans anyways since forever) Bosnia is dominated by muslim population since a very long long time, never heard of extremism, terrorism or support for what you talk about.... ever... not even before/after the Serbs (christians) did their genocide thing upon them.... why do you think you (Americans) helped those muslims and bombed christians including abrogate their leader Milosevic?
Hell, Serbs were at war even with my country (Croatia), dominated by Christians, killing eachother both in the name of Jesus, confusing, what religion do we blame now? Oh no, we cant, not when its our own, we never did, only then are we LOGICAL............

I am not fond of religion, but thats not the problem at all.... people are the problem.... BAD people are the problem....... they are everywhere...... and no religion can help them.... some of them will even indoctrine what the religion is for their evil deeds sake just to try and feel better about themselves like these guys in the video for example "Allah Akbar!", like they really think they will go to heaven for what they are doing despite the Koran clearly stating that you are not allowed to even offend anyone at any circumstance, better yet kill or even better yet kill any random muslim (like they more than happily do as you can see in this video)........... those people are not muslims, actual muslims hate them more than any of you do.... they are offended by anybody calling them muslims of any kind, even "muslim extremist", there is NO SUCH THING......... there is muslim and then there is A GUY WITH A SCREW LOOSE who just so happened to be born as a muslim.... there has been such people within any religion.........

Relatively. It's true that Bosnia is one of the shining examples of a liberal interpretation in the Muslim world (a sample size of around 0,1% of the global Muslim population).

And even in Bosnia 15% of the Muslims agree the death penalty should apply to anyone leaving Islam. That's a huge percentage of batshit insane, foaming at the mouth crazy people. To say that has nothing at all to do with Islam is to be willfully ignorant.

[brownmamba00]

that's not truth

see any census done on muslims in any country with a noticeable muslim population and you will see support for the extremism/fundamentalism/etc. ranging from 20 to 100% of approval (and that % goes up the bigger the % of muslim population in the country is)
lol@this bullshit

[fiddy]

lol@this bullshit
proof? :confusedshrug:

[brownmamba00]

proof? :confusedshrug:
up to 100% support for extremism :roll:

I know yall bulgarians are some of the most islamophobic mfers on earth but yall should learn not to talk out of your ass.

Only in Iraq Afghanistan Palestine aka places that get gangraped by the US and Israel will you see hunger for extreme violence in the 90%s and that's because they really don't know better and don't see a way out for their motherland that has turned into a shithole over the years through exploitation. Combine that with poverty and an almost non-existant education system and that's what you will get.

btw where do yall get these stats 15% want the death penalty for apostasy in Bosnia? It's only 2 percent.
http://edisworldview.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/what-is-the-problem-within-islam/

as for ISIS, the war that is going on is purely for political power and money. The Salafis are brain washing young adults between 18-24 in Europe to come and fight for them and kill fellow muslims. (which is strictly forbidden in the Kuran)
The Salafis are even sending young women over to syria to cook and **** for the soldiers...these are the people who are destroying the image of Islam.

btw why are the US allies funding ISIS? (the saudis, kuwait,etc)

shit looks shady to say the least.

[fiddy]

up to 100% support for extremism :roll:

I know yall bulgarians are some of the most islamophobic mfers on earth but yall should learn not to talk out of your ass.

Im not claiming anything. :no: No one is repressed or forbidden to express his religion in Bulgaria, unfortunately new mosques are being in Bulgaria almost every year. Despite everything i just said, we have our reasons to be islamophobic. For the record im atheist.
As for USA's buddies funding ISIS they might want to take down Iran.

[poido123]

These Fcked up countries living in 4th world mentality just piss me right off.

nothing good comes from these countries harboring extremist groups and men who support women oppression.

This sounds bad, but the world would be better off if we wiped Saudi Arabia and other religious fanatic harboring countries off the face of the earth and start again. These neanderthal living degenerates need to catch up with the times...

[fiddy]

These Fcked up countries living in 4th world mentality just piss me right off.

nothing good comes from these countries harboring extremist groups and men who support women oppression.

This sounds bad, but the world would be better off if we wiped Saudi Arabia and other religious fanatic harboring countries off the face of the earth and start again. These neanderthal living degenerates need to catch up with the times...
What are they missing? Justin Bieber? Miley Cyrus? Gay Marriages? Feminism? Western society has been going downhill as well for some time.

[poido123]

What are they missing? Justin Bieber? Miley Cyrus? Gay Marriages? Feminism? Western society has been going downhill as well for some time.


Hardly on the level of terrorist attacks, public stonings/be headings and other brutal acts that are only reserved for people with fcked up issues...

Western society isn't perfect, but we certainly aren't this barbaric.

[BlazerRed]

We need to just nuke the Middle East and Africa and rid the world of these people.

[Fork]

Well I learned one thing from this video, Allah is the Greatest. As they said a million ****ing times

[fiddy]

Well I learned one thing from this video, Allah is the Greatest. As they said a million ****ing times
You obviously havent checked the syrian videos, this mfers scream snackbars (allah akbar) while they are getting bombed, shot and killed, to their last breath :facepalm

[aj1987]

These Fcked up countries living in 4th world mentality just piss me right off.

nothing good comes from these countries harboring extremist groups and men who support women oppression.

This sounds bad, but the world would be better off if we wiped Saudi Arabia and other religious fanatic harboring countries off the face of the earth and start again. These neanderthal living degenerates need to catch up with the times...
I get what you're trying to say, but you do know that that would wipe out millions of innocents as well, right? Kids and women. Can you live with that kind of collateral damage?

The rest of the world should just ****ing give up on the middle east. It's pointless to try anymore. Let them kill themselves.

Also, idiots from the US, Russia, France, etc. joining ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/world/meast/iraq-foreign-fighters/

Brainwashed muppets.

[MavsSuperFan]

:biggums:

It's like you think supporting an oppressive apartheid state is a good thing. If USA bombed Serbia for what they did, then the Zionist state in Palestine deserves much much worse. But where's the money in that?
how israel treats the occupied territories is awful. But Israel is still the only genuine democracy within its actual boarders. Arabs vote and are in the israeli knesset. Its a complex situation.

Even if you count that as a negative overall USA is still doing far more good than evil.

I forgot about how we stopped the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, and helped kosovo achieve independence. USA defeating Milosevic :bowdown: :bowdown: America does so much good its hard to keep track

[StephHamann]

We need to just nuke the Middle East and Africa and rid the world of these people.

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[Dresta]

:rolleyes: I honestly believe a pro american dictator would have yielded the best practical results for the iraqi people.

We are fine in america either way. If iraq explodes in a civil war it wont affect us in america in any meaningful way, except increasing gas prices.

This civil war will cost many lives and displaces many others. Its kind of our fault for cracking the lid on the pressure cooker, by getting rid of Saddam unleashing the volatile sectarian ambitions

the worst case scenario is that what is happening in Iraq triggers a massive war between the Sunni Powers in the region and Iran, Assad's syria and shia iraq. that would be a tragedy, and the primal reason for it will have been the bush administrations poor management of the occupation of Iraq
C'mon man, the pressure cooker would have cracked regardless of what we did eventually. The problems in the Islamic world are internal, not caused by American foreign policy, perhaps triggered, but certainly not caused.

I personally thought this was a good and insightful essay (even if it is a bit pious):

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair/

The problem is far more complex than the 'America iz bad' idealists really want to acknowledge.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

how israel treats the occupied territories is awful. But Israel is still the only genuine democracy within its actual boarders. Arabs vote and are in the israeli knesset. Its a complex situation.

Even if you count that as a negative overall USA is still doing far more good than evil.

I forgot about how we stopped the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, and helped kosovo achieve independence. USA defeating Milosevic :bowdown: :bowdown: America does so much good its hard to keep track
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the boarders America created to give all Jews the home they never had after WW2:roll: :roll:

[MavsSuperFan]

Link in the OP is down. Anybody have another?
The link is still up

[MavsSuperFan]

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Make an actual argument


americans truly believe that their foreign policy is appreciated in the world. thats so funny, its like the 30s and 40s in germany, most germans thought that occuppying countrys is their right.
americans are one of the most hated poeple out there. where did they do anything good in the world? rebuilding germany wasnt due for charity`s sake. they were afraid of soviet union and needed a strong partner at the fronline.
if i imagine what they did in panama etc etc etc:facepalm

I have never said that. Lots of kids are ungrateful to their parents.
List the negatives of american foreign policy, I assure you the positives out weigh it.


where did they do anything good in the world?
Tell me what was wrong about stopping Milosevic for committing ethnic cleansing/genocide

[Fork]

We need to just nuke the Middle East and Africa and rid the world of these people.

Get it done Obama :cheers:

[MavsSuperFan]

C'mon man, the pressure cooker would have cracked regardless of what we did eventually. The problems in the Islamic world are internal, not caused by American foreign policy, perhaps triggered, but certainly not caused.

I personally thought this was a good and insightful essay (even if it is a bit pious):

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair/

The problem is far more complex than the 'America iz bad' idealists really want to acknowledge.
I agree, but we definitely triggered it was my point.
I definitely think Bush insisting on democratic elections and the failure of the US to crush insurgents was a major reason for the civil war.

C'mon man, the pressure cooker would have cracked regardless of what we did eventually. The problems in the Islamic world are internal, not caused by American foreign policy, perhaps triggered, but certainly not caused

Maybe, maybe not. Saddam had a pretty tight handle on things before we sent him running.

His military was also good at preventing the kurds and shia from raising up.

[Rodmantheman]

Get it done Obama :cheers:

:biggums: :facepalm

[ace23]

The link is still up
It was removed when I clicked on it before. Now it's back.

[MavsSuperFan]

hell they killed Che Guevara and didnt even try to hide it:roll: :roll:
but he bad bad an evil communist tho.
Panama,Niaragua,Vietnam,Iraq,Libya and that are just a few examples:facepalm :facepalm

Panama,Niaragua,

South America is somewhat of a black eye on US foreign policy. We have made it up to these countries via economic aid.

Also we gave the panama canal back to panama.


Vietnam
Arguably Vietnamese people would have been better off had Saigon triumphed over hanoi
Overall I agree though this is a major black mark on US foreign policy

Interesting to note the communist vietnamese have gotten over the vietnam war and are looking to the US to help them in their territorial dispute with china.
http://www.voanews.com/content/vietnam-wants-larger-us-role-in-dispute-with-china/1932793.html

STATE DEPARTMENT — Vietnam wants the United States to play a bigger role in settling territorial disputes with China. Washington is refusing, though, to take a stand on the location of a Chinese oil rig that Vietnam says is in its territorial waters.

Vietnam says this video shows China's coast guard ramming a Vietnamese fishing vessel last month near a Chinese oil rig in disputed South China Sea waters.

Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hong Lei said that is not what happened. "In the relevant seas, China's ships were on the defensive and Vietnam's ships were on the offensive.

Vietnam turning to america to help defend its sovereignty against a hegemonistic power like many other nations.:applause: :applause:


Iraq
Already said this was a black mark on US foreign policy. We triggered the civil war. We should have either left saddam in charge and never invaded or selected a dictator from within his military. Disbanding the baath party and saddam's military was a mistake


Libya
Gaddafi promised to massacre the innocent ppl of benghazi

US foreign Policy has accomplished tons more good than this.
for starters compare the difference in quality of life between a north korean and a south korean.
Compare the political freedoms in taiwan to mainland china.

US foreign policy deserves a huge amount of credit in improving the lives of millions.

[aj1987]

We need to just nuke the Middle East and Africa and rid the world of these people.
A piece of shit in the NBA forum and in general. We need to castrate people like you.

[MavsSuperFan]

You know that the US is overall viewed positively by countries (other than in south america and the middle east) that havent been spoiled by the economic benefits and military protection given to them (IE. ingrates know as Western Europeans) by these 2 facts:

In asia countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with China.

In Eastern Europe countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with Russia.

[ArbitraryWater]

Didnt watch but why no comments? disabled?

[Rodmantheman]

You know that the US is overall viewed positively by countries (other than in south america and the middle east) that havent been spoiled by the economic benefits and military protection given to them (IE. ingrates know as Western Europeans) by these 2 facts:

In asia countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with China.

In Eastern Europe countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with Russia.

That's almost half the world population:biggums:

[MavsSuperFan]

Didnt watch but why no comments? disabled?
I think ISIL controls the youtube channel, they are deleting comments

[MavsSuperFan]

That's almost half the world population:biggums:
World population 7.17 billion +

China: 1.36 billion
Russia 146 million

about 1/5th of the world population, who in china live under a dictatorial government
and in russia, lived under a flawed democracy, with many irregularities during elections and suppression of opposition candidates

Both are historically and currently hegemonic powers threatening their weaker neighbors. Both countries spend massive amounts on their militaries and seek to intimidate weaker nations into compliances

[ArbitraryWater]

What are they missing? Justin Bieber? Miley Cyrus? Gay Marriages? Feminism? Western society has been going downhill as well for some time.

You just made that comparison?


Spoiled little rat.


"Ohhh nooo Justin Bieber is on the radio!!! God I can't stand this world.... Why, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?!?!??! GOD WHYYY! I dont deserve this!"

[B-hoop]

You know that the US is overall viewed positively by countries (other than in south america and the middle east) that havent been spoiled by the economic benefits and military protection given to them (IE. ingrates know as Western Europeans) by these 2 facts:

In asia countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with China.

In Eastern Europe countries seek out the help of the United States in mediating their disputes with Russia.

:facepalm

Of course they do that, the US is half a world away while Russia and China are knocking in their front door. They would do the same if the positions were reversed, its a way for the smaller countries to maintain their independence, pitting the big guys against one another.

And **** you with your "America has made it good with South America through aid". They have ****ed up almost all Central American countries for hundreds of years and you think some millions of dollars in aid will change anything, when the underlying factors for the impoverishment of the area will continue to exist.

I like the U.S and agree with the liberal principles they defend but U.S citizens in general love to talk about stuff they have no idea about. Their invasion of Iraq was complete bullshit, no other country other than the U.S, Britain, Australia (only 2k soldiers) and Poland (194 soldiers :oldlol: ) supported it. Saddam was massacring the Iraqis for the last 20 years, i don't remember the US hurrying to free them. WMDs were a bullshit excuse, in Britain they forged reports to make it seem more likely that they existed which was discovered by the parliament (research September Dossier).

[B-hoop]

hell they killed Che Guevara and didnt even try to hide it:roll: :roll:
but he bad bad an evil communist tho.
Panama,Niaragua,Vietnam,Iraq,Libya and that are just a few examples:facepalm :facepalm

Killing Che Guevara was really one of the only good things the U.S did in South/Central America.

He was a ****ing psycho, a real sociopath. Read up on his actions during and after the revolt in Cuba. Also he was all talk and no action, after Cuba did the revolution he became the minister of industry/president of their FED and finished ****ing up their economy.

Cuba possibly only became communist because of Bay of Pigs disaster though, forcing Fidel to make Cuba a Marxist state and get the support of the Soviet Union.

[Jameerthefear]

Wow.
how do u feel about that moe?

[JohnFreeman]

Wasn't even that bad

[Jameerthefear]

moe u seem to have lost youredge.

[JohnFreeman]

How much did you watch?
I skipped through watching most of the executions.

[fiddy]

Wasn't even that bad

it was entertaining doe


You just made that comparison?


Spoiled little rat.


"Ohhh nooo Justin Bieber is on the radio!!! God I can't stand this world.... Why, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?!?!??! GOD WHYYY! I dont deserve this!"
Dont even reply to my posts you bangwagoner scum

[poido123]

I get what you're trying to say, but you do know that that would wipe out millions of innocents as well, right? Kids and women. Can you live with that kind of collateral damage?

The rest of the world should just ****ing give up on the middle east. It's pointless to try anymore. Let them kill themselves.

Also, idiots from the US, Russia, France, etc. joining ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/world/meast/iraq-foreign-fighters/

Brainwashed muppets.

You can add australia to the list. There are brainwashed idiots joining is is here too :facepalm:

The women and children part I have no answer for. I guess natural disasters don't make allowances for them either. Call it a much needed toilet flush for the earth to breathe and benefit from.

What I'm saying Is, the greater good outweighs the negatives.

Here In Australia, we have these problems on our doorstep. We ha e too many immigrants from ethnic backgrounds that band together and use our own laws against us. While these countries have no problem enforcing their law on us, we are supposed to uphold and respect their customs by allowing peculiar body clothing and mosques to be erected for them.

The only language these scumbags understand is a hard line approach. They are using intimidation and scare tactics to control the masses and exploit our value for life. If we don't make A stand, we will let these people infiltrate our way of life and be wiped out when it's all too late.

[StephHamann]

The only language these scumbags understand is a hard line approach. They are using intimidation and scare tactics to control the masses and exploit our value for life. If we don't make A stand, we will let these people infiltrate our way of life and be wiped out when it's all too late.

:applause:

[BasedTom]

You can add australia to the list. There are brainwashed idiots joining is is here too :facepalm:

The women and children part I have no answer for. I guess natural disasters don't make allowances for them either. Call it a much needed toilet flush for the earth to breathe and benefit from.

What I'm saying Is, the greater good outweighs the negatives.

Here In Australia, we have these problems on our doorstep. We ha e too many immigrants from ethnic backgrounds that band together and use our own laws against us. While these countries have no problem enforcing their law on us, we are supposed to uphold and respect their customs by allowing peculiar body clothing and mosques to be erected for them.

The only language these scumbags understand is a hard line approach. They are using intimidation and scare tactics to control the masses and exploit our value for life. If we don't make A stand, we will let these people infiltrate our way of life and be wiped out when it's all too late.
Wow, are you some kind of racist?

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/LondonKillerAdebolajo.png
Men of peace like this are just being victimized by the oppressive heterosexual white non-jewish male. Diversity is strength! So remember to let men like these rape your women, kill your countrymen, and destroy your nation's traditions and culture. Look at how multiculturalism is making Sweden and France great!

Radicalists and violent criminals? No- you have it all wrong. This was the latest "Sweden Appreciation Day"
http://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Pray%E2%80%94but-not-outside_wide.jpg
http://www.************.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/muslims_paris.jpg
As you can see here, the immigrants are assimilating just fine into the European way of life! Soon they'll be throwing bananas at football players and wearing adidas tracksuits around town.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Poido showing his true racist colors :roll: :roll: :biggums:

[masonanddixon]

Wow.

I'd have no problem with this. If Obama just dropped a nuclear bomb on the entire area and said 'my bad' and we have to pretend like nothing ever happened, I would be 100% cool with the outcome.

[masonanddixon]

You can add australia to the list. There are brainwashed idiots joining is is here too :facepalm:

The women and children part I have no answer for. I guess natural disasters don't make allowances for them either. Call it a much needed toilet flush for the earth to breathe and benefit from.

What I'm saying Is, the greater good outweighs the negatives.

Here In Australia, we have these problems on our doorstep. We ha e too many immigrants from ethnic backgrounds that band together and use our own laws against us. While these countries have no problem enforcing their law on us, we are supposed to uphold and respect their customs by allowing peculiar body clothing and mosques to be erected for them.

The only language these scumbags understand is a hard line approach. They are using intimidation and scare tactics to control the masses and exploit our value for life. If we don't make A stand, we will let these people infiltrate our way of life and be wiped out when it's all too late.

It's on a much smaller scale here in Australia and we are fortunate to be living on an island. But you're right, Sydney is already a mess.

That said, nearly all the immigrants are refugees who the country is forced to take in as part of its United Nations agreement. And Australia has far less tolerance for those who refuse to assimilate than do other 1st world countries. multiculturalism is obviously a terrible policy that has failed everywhere but the problem with setting up a white country below Asia or above Mexico is that eventually the whites become affluent and then lazy and do not want to do the blue collar jobs, and decide to bring in other cultures to perform these roles, and this eventually spirals into the degeneracy known as multiculturalism.

What pisses me off is how they get set up with every entitlement imaginable and act like they own the place.

[BasedTom]

I'd have no problem with this. If Obama just dropped a nuclear bomb on the entire area and said 'my bad' and we have to pretend like nothing ever happened, I would be 100% cool with the outcome.
Iran was a pretty nice place with a rich history and culture, with their own religion as well before shit hit the fan. Anatolia had the Byzantines (Turks are cool as well, IMO)

then there's the Levant, which has had many different vastly different cultures and ethnic groups inhabit it. A lot of people don't seem to be aware of the fact that Christians have lived and still live in the region.

It wasn't always in the same shitty state it is now.

[masonanddixon]

Iran was a pretty nice place with a rich history and culture, with their own religion as well before shit hit the fan. Anatolia had the Byzantines (Turks are cool as well, IMO)

then there's the Levant, which has had many different vastly different cultures and ethnic groups inhabit it. A lot of people don't seem to be aware of the fact that Christians have lived and still live in the region.

It wasn't always in the same shitty state it is now.

Dude the Fertile Crescent was in Modern Day Iraq. Modern Day Iran produced some of the greatest scholars of late BC-early AD but the entire region is a cesspool today and would be best served starting over with a blank slate.

[BasedTom]

Dude the Fertile Crescent was in Modern Day Iraq. Modern Day Iran produced some of the greatest scholars of late BC-early AD but the entire region is a cesspool today and would be best served starting over with a blank slate.
Yes of course. But nukes and "a blank slate" seem a bit harsh no? Punishing millions of people for the actions of a smaller, but still significant, number of ****tards that have gone out of their way to ruin things is rather unfair no matter how you slice it.

Another Crusade would suffice. This time with 'Murrica leading the way and with Pope Francis's blessing. Argentina might not ever get the Falklands, but maybe they can get some nice territory out there?

[masonanddixon]

Yes of course. But nukes and "a blank slate" seem a bit harsh no? Punishing millions of people for the actions of a smaller, but still significant, number of ****tards that have gone out of their way to ruin things.

Another Crusade would suffice. This time with 'Murrica leading the way and with Pope Francis's blessing. Argentina might not ever get the Falklands, but maybe they can get some nice territory out there?

How so? Just tell all the fundamentalists to stay there and everyone else can leave, and then proceed to bomb the hell out of them. It's better than the alternative, which is them ruining everywhere else in the world.

Plus anything that reduces the world's population is a huge accomplishment.

[poido123]

It's on a much smaller scale here in Australia and we are fortunate to be living on an island. But you're right, Sydney is already a mess.

That said, nearly all the immigrants are refugees who the country is forced to take in as part of its United Nations agreement. And Australia has far less tolerance for those who refuse to assimilate than do other 1st world countries. multiculturalism is obviously a terrible policy that has failed everywhere but the problem with setting up a white country below Asia or above Mexico is that eventually the whites become affluent and then lazy and do not want to do the blue collar jobs, and decide to bring in other cultures to perform these roles, and this eventually spirals into the degeneracy known as multiculturalism.

What pisses me off is how they get set up with every entitlement imaginable and act like they own the place.


Don't get me wrong, immigration is important however it needs to be tightened, we have more immigrants coming in than the Australian birthrate.

The main problem I see is clumping. U need to separate the races so they can assimilate, otherwise they will mirror their previous destination and become isolated from our culture. Sydney is a classic example. There are whole suburbs of races that have no intention to integrate properly.

We are supporting this behavior. Our government are too gutless to address the problem and our own laws allow these groups to dictate their will.

[BasedTom]

How so? Just tell all the fundamentalists to stay there and everyone else can leave, and then proceed to bomb the hell out of them. It's better than the alternative, which is them ruining everywhere else in the world.

Plus anything that reduces the world's population is a huge accomplishment.
Nice to see you have things all planned and figured out- I could definitely see this working and being a feasible course of action by the US government.

Once the first missiles launch, it's gonna be easy. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 countries turned into irradiated craters in a short period of time. That will surely fix up the Middle East.

Good work, man.

[BlazerRed]

A piece of shit in the NBA forum and in general. We need to castrate people like you.
WTF why get so upset over my comment? Do you think the starving African people would care about getting nuked? They're all starving, have nothing to eat, get beaten and raped by corrupt governments and militias. I think we'd be doing both the world in general AND the people of the Middle East and Africa a favor by nuking them and removing them of their pain, along with these crazy, sick extremists.

EDIT: 5000 posts! :hammertime:

[masonanddixon]

Nice to see you have things all planned and figured out- I could definitely see this working and being a feasible course of action by the US government.

Once the first missiles launch, it's gonna be easy. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 countries turned into irradiated craters in a short period of time. That will surely fix up the Middle East.

Good work, man.

That or just catch them on the pilgrimage to Mecca.

[masonanddixon]

Don't get me wrong, immigration is important however it needs to be tightened, we have more immigrants coming in than the Australian birthrate.

The main problem I see is clumping. U need to separate the races so they can assimilate, otherwise they will mirror their previous destination and become isolated from our culture. Sydney is a classic example. There are whole suburbs of races that have no intention to integrate properly.

We are supporting this behavior. Our government are too gutless to address the problem and our own laws allow these groups to dictate their will.

The current govt is retarded, from the baby bonus given to low IQ retards who have no business procreating, to its adoption of hardcore Reagonomic policy, and its insistence on multiculturalism.

Possibly the worst part is how the govt caters to every whim of these people while at the same time milking every foreign student and skilled worker of every penny they own. All this current govt is doing is accelerating the decline of Australia into the current disaster enveloping the United States. It will all be realized within a decade from now.

Societies have been separated for hundreds of years and developed their own ways of life and then you suddenly dump them into a crowded space with different socioeconomic states and just expect them to survive peacefully...multiculturalism has succeeded nowhere and yet for some reason these idiots continue to advocate it.

[aj1987]

WTF why get so upset over my comment? Do you think the starving African people would care about getting nuked? They're all starving, have nothing to eat, get beaten and raped by corrupt governments and militias. I think we'd be doing both the world in general AND the people of the Middle East and Africa a favor by nuking them and removing them of their pain, along with these crazy, sick extremists.

EDIT: 5000 posts! :hammertime:

Yeah, lets nuke all the corrupt places on Earth. Should be fun killing hundreds of millions of women and children.

[fiddy]

Yeah, lets nuke all the corrupt places on Earth. Should be fun killing hundreds of millions of women and children.
Dont care. Fvck em.

[brownmamba00]

Im not claiming anything. :no: No one is repressed or forbidden to express his religion in Bulgaria, unfortunately new mosques are being in Bulgaria almost every year. Despite everything i just said, we have our reasons to be islamophobic. For the record im atheist.
As for USA's buddies funding ISIS they might want to take down Iran.
no enlighten me what your reason to be islamophobic?

we building too much new mosques?:oldlol:

bulgaria is a shithole and if someones getting nuked yall should be first to go.

[BlazerRed]

Yeah, lets nuke all the corrupt places on Earth. Should be fun killing hundreds of millions of women and children.
As I stated, they're in pain, starving and getting raped every day. They won't mind.

[fiddy]

no enlighten me what your reason to be islamophobic?

we building too much new mosques?:oldlol:

bulgaria is a shithole and if someones getting nuked yall should be first to go.
Are you a taliban? i mean muslim, if you are, im not replying to brain dead people

[BasedTom]

http://www.************.com

:coleman:
I used Google images to search "Paris muslims" and it was the second result. My mistake. I'll own up to it.

I've been mostly joking around. If you think I'm seriously advocating nuking millions of innocent people to death or anything of the sort, then you have the wrong man.

[LJJ]

no enlighten me what your reason to be islamophobic?

we building too much new mosques?:oldlol:

bulgaria is a shithole and if someones getting nuked yall should be first to go.

Mosques? How about

-Increased social tension
-Increased crime
-Decreased wealth
-High pressure on social services
-Lowering emancipation and equality of women
-Deterioration of cultural norms and values
-Deterioration of culture in general
-Vast decrease in public safety

Etc. etc.

[poido123]

The current govt is retarded, from the baby bonus given to low IQ retards who have no business procreating, to its adoption of hardcore Reagonomic policy, and its insistence on multiculturalism.

Possibly the worst part is how the govt caters to every whim of these people while at the same time milking every foreign student and skilled worker of every penny they own. All this current govt is doing is accelerating the decline of Australia into the current disaster enveloping the United States. It will all be realized within a decade from now.

Societies have been separated for hundreds of years and developed their own ways of life and then you suddenly dump them into a crowded space with different socioeconomic states and just expect them to survive peacefully...multiculturalism has succeeded nowhere and yet for some reason these idiots continue to advocate it.



Multiculturalism has its benefits. Like a poster said before, we have many unskilled jobs that the common white man are too lazy to do. A big reason why Mexicans are in America, they will take the jobs no o ne else wants to do.

We are crippled by our own laws and political correctness. While I don't really know if multiculturalism is the problem, I do know that australia will not cope with current immigration at the rate it is and the placement of these immigrants and clumping them.

I see outspoken people in australia from Islamic and Muslim background having their say about western society and their disgust for it, yet we do nothing to apprehend their slights while they happily enjoy the fruits of what a western society provides.

I'm sorry, but if these individuals are supporting the actions of extremist groups or the downfall of western society should be deported back to where they came from with no return. Why are we allowing these families and religious groups who support this to find haven in Australia while we have been at war with their people I am still shocked. If you support women oppression and you don't condemn the extremists you are no friend of ours.

[fiddy]

Multiculturalism has its benefits. Like a poster said before, we have many unskilled jobs that the common white man are too lazy to do. A big reason why Mexicans are in America, they will take the jobs no o ne else wants to do.

We are crippled by our own laws and political correctness. While I don't really know if multiculturalism is the problem, I do know that australia will not cope with current immigration at the rate it is and the placement of these immigrants and clumping them.

I see outspoken people in australia from Islamic and Muslim background having their say about western society and their disgust for it, yet we do nothing to apprehend their slights while they happily enjoy the fruits of what a western society provides.

I'm sorry, but if these individuals are supporting the actions of extremist groups or the downfall of western society should be deported back to where they came from with no return. Why are we allowing these families and religious groups who support this to find haven in Australia while we have been at war with their people I am still shocked. If you support women oppression and you don't condemn the extremists you are no friend of ours.
stopped reading there :facepalm

[poido123]

stopped reading there :facepalm


I'm not sure about Bulgaria, but australia has many jobs that are filled by immigrants who are willing to do it. Taxi drivers are filled by a lot of Indians here, no one else wants to do it low pay and can be dangerous.

[brownmamba00]

Mosques? How about

-Increased social tension
-Increased crime
-Decreased wealth
-High pressure on social services
-Lowering emancipation and equality of women
-Deterioration of cultural norms and values
-Deterioration of culture in general
-Vast decrease in public safety

Etc. etc.
typical stereotypes

[Dresta]

Multiculturalism has its benefits. Like a poster said before, we have many unskilled jobs that the common white man are too lazy to do. A big reason why Mexicans are in America, they will take the jobs no o ne else wants to do.

We are crippled by our own laws and political correctness. While I don't really know if multiculturalism is the problem, I do know that australia will not cope with current immigration at the rate it is and the placement of these immigrants and clumping them.

I see outspoken people in australia from Islamic and Muslim background having their say about western society and their disgust for it, yet we do nothing to apprehend their slights while they happily enjoy the fruits of what a western society provides.

I'm sorry, but if these individuals are supporting the actions of extremist groups or the downfall of western society should be deported back to where they came from with no return. Why are we allowing these families and religious groups who support this to find haven in Australia while we have been at war with their people I am still shocked. If you support women oppression and you don't condemn the extremists you are no friend of ours.Accept the values of the country you emigrate to or piss off quite frankly. UK has groups running secret sharia courts and living under their own law, and a government and police force too scared of offending anybody to do anything about it. It is a real said situation when you have FGM taking place on your own shores, and the police referring to it as 'a sensitive cultural issue' - the French don't take this kind of BS: it's either assimilate, or **** off.

[Dresta]

typical stereotypes
Oh yeah, because all these places:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world#mediaviewer/File:Islam_by_country.png

Are veritable havens for women, and social utopias of peace, happiness, and prosperity (oh wait...)

[BasedTom]

Accept the values of the country you emigrate to or piss off quite frankly. UK has groups running secret sharia courts and living under their own law, and a government and police force too scared of offending anybody to do anything about it. It is a real said situation when you have FGM taking place on your own shores, and the police referring to it as 'a sensitive cultural issue' - the French don't take this kind of BS: it's either assimilate, or **** off.
https://counterjihadnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/sharia4franceburqas.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/29/article-2020382-0D310E3000000578-763_468x289.jpg
http://www.unitedliberty.org/images/sharia2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QfVWU-2pVL4/TAIyH2QWSMI/AAAAAAAAOTk/I4F813qiOSg/s640/Bangladeshi+Muslim+protesters+shout+slogans+as+the y+burn+a+Swedish+flag+during+a+protest+against+soc ial+networking+website+facebook+for+holding+a+comp etition+on+caricatures+of+Prophet+Mohammed,+in+Dha ka.jpg

They don't do this shit in Slavic countries. Part of the reason for that is because religion is actually important to a number of those countries (Poland is the most obvious example) so 1. that shit wouldn't fly 2. they know they can get away with it in pansy western europe+sweden, so they go there

BUT CAN'T YOU SEE HOW DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH?! ACCEPT THE CULTURAL ENRICHMENT, YOU EVIL EUROPEAN RACISTS!

[ArbitraryWater]

Dont even reply to my posts you bangwagoner scum

I'm doing it now, bitch.

[Trollsmasher]

As I have been saying, EU either radically changes its approach or there will be muslim pogroms sooner than later. People are pissed around here and I am still living in a basically muslim-free country. Yet those few thousands here are managing to stir the pot quite successfully and they are daring to do more and more every day. I can't imagine how it looks in France or UK.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

As I have been saying, EU either radically changes its approach or there will be muslim pogroms sooner than later. People are pissed around here and I am still living in a basically muslim-free country. Yet those few thousands here are managing to stir the pot quite successfully and they are daring to do more and more every day. I can't imagine how it looks in France or UK.
look at us
look at Germany:coleman: :coleman: :coleman:
its terrible out here man:biggums:

[StephHamann]

look at us
look at Germany:coleman: :coleman: :coleman:
its terrible out here man:biggums:

http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/polopoly_fs/1.164605.1358132249!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/900x600/image.jpg

[MavsSuperFan]

:facepalm

Of course they do that, the US is half a world away while Russia and China are knocking in their front door. They would do the same if the positions were reversed, its a way for the smaller countries to maintain their independence, pitting the big guys against one another.

And **** you with your "America has made it good with South America through aid". They have ****ed up almost all Central American countries for hundreds of years and you think some millions of dollars in aid will change anything, when the underlying factors for the impoverishment of the area will continue to exist.

I like the U.S and agree with the liberal principles they defend but U.S citizens in general love to talk about stuff they have no idea about. Their invasion of Iraq was complete bullshit, no other country other than the U.S, Britain, Australia (only 2k soldiers) and Poland (194 soldiers :oldlol: ) supported it. Saddam was massacring the Iraqis for the last 20 years, i don't remember the US hurrying to free them. WMDs were a bullshit excuse, in Britain they forged reports to make it seem more likely that they existed which was discovered by the parliament (research September Dossier).



Of course they do that, the US is half a world away while Russia and China are knocking in their front door. They would do the same if the positions were reversed, its a way for the smaller countries to maintain their independence, pitting the big guys against one another.

You dont see countries around the US reach out towards china and russia for support.

The US actually does have disputed territories with Canada. there is this island on the east coast we both claim, We have never tried to intimidate Canada militarily, in order to annex the island unilaterally.

The US maintains far better relations with countries in our neighborhood than does china and russia in their neighborhood.
Name one country in north america or the caribbean or central america that seeks alliances with china and russia to counter american hegemony?

In south america only venezuela does so. but its government is increasing illegitimate with how it treats political dissidents.

America is a far more moral nation than either China or Russia and has not seeked to annex additional territory in over a century and a half.


f course they do that, the US is half a world away while Russia and China are knocking in their front door.
The US navy is the dominant military force in easy asia.


And **** you with your "America has made it good with South America through aid". They have ****ed up almost all Central American countries for hundreds of years and you think some millions of dollars in aid will change anything, when the underlying factors for the impoverishment of the area will continue to exist.
I have already admitted the banana republics we established in south america has been a black mark on US foreign policy. I dont blame anyone in south or central america for bearing a grudge against the US. Our support for people like pinochet was wrong, and helping to kill allende was also wrong.

With that said our extent of exploitation of the western hemisphere is mild compared to what russia has done to eastern europe.

The US maintains good relations with all countries in the western hemisphere other than venezuela. China has poor relations with almost all countries in asia and russia also has poor relations with countries in eastern europe. You cant dispute the fact that America's neighbors are less threatened by the US than Russia and China's neighbors are by them. This despite the fact that the US has a stronger more advanced military.

Edit: the US also gave panama the Panama Canal
2nd edit: Cuba is also anti american, but cuba is also an authoritarian dictatorship that crushes the political will of anyone that disagrees with the government

I like the U.S and agree with the liberal principles they defend but U.S citizens in general love to talk about stuff they have no idea about. Their invasion of Iraq was complete bullshit, no other country other than the U.S, Britain, Australia (only 2k soldiers) and Poland (194 soldiers :oldlol: ) supported it. Saddam was massacring the Iraqis for the last 20 years, i don't remember the US hurrying to free them. WMDs were a bullshit excuse, in Britain they forged reports to make it seem more likely that they existed which was discovered by the parliament (research September Dossier)

Have you read any posts i have made here?
When have i said that invading iraq was justified? When have i said that the WMDs were real? I have constantly said the US was violating international law by invading iraq. Also that our conduct of the occupation triggered the current crisis. We did however push for a democracy in iraq and didnt steal their oil as some claim.

Although technically 48 countries supported the us invasion of iraq. 48 countries were in the coalition of the willing. The US is so influential/popular that 48 countries followed us into a bullshit war. Its a testament to the success of US foreign policy that even though we were wrong we were still supported by so many countries

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Number_of_foreign_troops_in_Irak_in_2006.png

Countries in the coalition of the willing
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Coalition_of_the_willing.svg/400px-Coalition_of_the_willing.svg.png


The Bush administration briefly used the term "Coalition of the Willing" to refer to the countries who supported, militarily or verbally, the 2003 invasion of Iraq and subsequent military presence in post-invasion Iraq. The original list released in March 2003 included 46 members.[3] In April 2003, the list was updated to include 49 countries, though it was reduced to 48 after Costa Rica objected to its inclusion. Of the 48 countries on the list, three contributed troops to the invasion force (the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland). An additional 37 countries provided some number of troops to support military operations after the invasion was complete.

I have never said the US foreign policy was perfect. I said the good outweighs the bad

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You dont see countries around the US reach out towards china and russia for support.

The US actually does have disputed territories with Canada. there is this island on the east coast we both claim, We have never tried to intimidate Canada militarily, in order to annex the island unilaterally.

The US maintains far better relations with countries in our neighborhood than does china and russia in their neighborhood.
Name one country in north america or the caribbean or central america that seeks alliances with china and russia to counter american hegemony?

In south america only venezuela does so. but its government is increasing illegitimate with how it treats political dissidents.

America is a far more moral nation than either China or Russia and has not seeked to annex additional territory in over a century and a half.


The US navy is the dominant military force in easy asia.


I have already admitted the banana republics we established in south america has been a black mark on US foreign policy. I dont blame anyone in south or central america for bearing a grudge against the US. Our support for people like pinochet was wrong, and helping to kill allende was also wrong.

We that said our extent of exploitation of the western hemisphere is mild compared to what russia has done to eastern europe.

The US maintains good relations with all countries in the western hemisphere other than venezuela. China has poor relations with almost all countries in asia and russia also has poor relations with countries in eastern europe. You cant dispute the fact that America's neighbors are less threatened by the US than Russia and China's neighbors are by them. This despite the fact that the US has a stronger more advanced military.

Edit: the US also gave panama the Panama Canal


Have you read any posts i have made here?
When have i said that invading iraq was justified? When have i said that the WMDs were real? I have constantly said the US was violating international law by invading iraq. Also that our conduct of the occupation triggered the current crisis. We did however push for a democracy in iraq and didnt steal their oil as some claim.

Although technically 48 countries supported the us invasion of iraq. 48 countries were in the coalition of the willing. The US is so influential/popular that 48 countries followed us into a bullshit war. Its a testament to the success of US foreign policy that even though we were wrong we were still supported by so many countries

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Number_of_foreign_troops_in_Irak_in_2006.png

Countries in the coalition of the willing
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Coalition_of_the_willing.svg/400px-Coalition_of_the_willing.svg.png



I have never said the US foreign policy was perfect. I said the good outweighs the bad
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[Dresta]

Well, it's undeniable really that the US has been the most benign dominant world power that has yet existed; no matter how many laughing gifs you want to post Marlo, it doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

The US would gain more international respect if it actually went after its own criminals (like Kissinger), instead of protecting them and treating them like honourable men who have done their country proud, when in actual fact they have run roughshod over the US Constitution, and done untold damage to its international image. Too much has been excused by the moniker of realpolitik.

[tomtucker]

Poido showing his true racist colors :roll: :roll: :biggums:

nobody here is racist.........anyone can see the new plague in europe.........

[ZenMaster]

typical stereotypes

Stereotypes?

Those are facts.

[aj1987]

Dont care. Fvck em.
Yeah. I don't give a shit about the EU. Probably should nuke the entire continent well, just to make sure that they don't start another world war. Total piece of shits the European countries are. Always getting into fights and causing problems for the rest of the world.


As I stated, they're in pain, starving and getting raped every day. They won't mind.
While we're at it, lets nuke all the places in the US with high crime, racist pieces of shit, and corruption. That probably would leave half the US alive and radioactive. Do you honestly think that every place in Africa is the same??

Kid, I suggest you travel.

Wow! I honestly can't believe that we actually have people who want to kill hundreds of millions of innocent kids and women. Just...WOW!!! Honestly, a basketball message board is the karst place I would expect them.

You guys, please leave this board and go to ********** of some or ****** place.

[BlazerRed]

Yeah. I don't give a shit about the EU. Probably should nuke the entire continent well, just to make sure that they don't start another world war. Total piece of shits the European countries are. Always getting into fights and causing problems for the rest of the world.


While we're at it, lets nuke all the places in the US with high crime, racist pieces of shit, and corruption. That probably would leave half the US alive and radioactive. Do you honestly think that every place in Africa is the same??

Kid, I suggest you travel.

Wow! I honestly can't believe that we actually have people who want to kill hundreds of millions of innocent kids and women. Just...WOW!!! Honestly, a basketball message board is the karst place I would expect them.

You guys, please leave this board and go to ********** of some or ****** place.
:roll:

[tomtucker]

Just stop. :rolleyes:

you are in toronto.........you don

[BasedTom]

Yeah. I don't give a shit about the EU. Probably should nuke the entire continent well, just to make sure that they don't start another world war. Total piece of shits the European countries are. Always getting into fights and causing problems for the rest of the world.


While we're at it, lets nuke all the places in the US with high crime, racist pieces of shit, and corruption. That probably would leave half the US alive and radioactive. Do you honestly think that every place in Africa is the same??

Kid, I suggest you travel.

Wow! I honestly can't believe that we actually have people who want to kill hundreds of millions of innocent kids and women. Just...WOW!!! Honestly, a basketball message board is the karst place I would expect them.

You guys, please leave this board and go to ********** of some or ****** place.
You're taking it way too far.

A simple bomb run over Bend, Oregon would go a long way in improving ISH

[nightprowler10]

We need to just nuke the Middle East and Africa and rid the world of these people.
Along with Michigan. amiright?

[Trollsmasher]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/obama-seeks-500m-train-equip-syrian-rebels-24320343

Will this idiot get a chunk of the future Great Caliphate or not?:lol

[Fork]

Along with Michigan. amiright?

Nah, what about the Pistons fans in the forum :lol

[StephHamann]

Yeah. I don't give a shit about the EU. Probably should nuke the entire continent well, just to make sure that they don't start another world war. Total piece of shits the European countries are. Always getting into fights and causing problems for the rest of the world.


While we're at it, lets nuke all the places in the US with high crime, racist pieces of shit, and corruption. That probably would leave half the US alive and radioactive. Do you honestly think that every place in Africa is the same??

Kid, I suggest you travel.

Wow! I honestly can't believe that we actually have people who want to kill hundreds of millions of innocent kids and women. Just...WOW!!! Honestly, a basketball message board is the karst place I would expect them.

You guys, please leave this board and go to ********** of some or ****** place.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rj2ly2mhBGs/R9B733UChwI/AAAAAAAAABA/ClW6uY-nUKc/s320/angry%2Bmuslim%2Bman.jpg

[Rodmantheman]

lol This whole situation blow up in Obama Administration face they tired to get rid of Assad government failed and now Assad, Iraq government and US face a common enemy in ISIS:roll: :roll: :roll:

[JohnFreeman]

I saw on liveleak last night, they chopped two "thieves" hands off with a scalpel. Was brutal

[Rodmantheman]

Here Goes Obama again seeks $500 million to help fund,train members of the Syrian opposition. US needs to realize Assad is going to win this just give up:hammerhead:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-seeks-500-million-to-train-equip-syrian-rebels/

That's $500Million that could be used for American schools, American infrastructure, Americans.

This is not an American fight.
This is not an American strategic interest.

Invest in American jobs, not Syrians.

[MavsSuperFan]

Here Goes Obama again seeks $500 million to help fund,train members of the Syrian opposition. US needs to realize Assad is going to win this just give up:hammerhead:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-seeks-500-million-to-train-equip-syrian-rebels/

That's $500Million that could be used for American schools, American infrastructure, Americans.

This is not an American fight.
This is not an American strategic interest.

Invest in American jobs, not Syrians.
He could never pass a domestic spending bill like that.
The GOP would fight him tooth and nail. American presidents like to focus on foreign policy because there is more cooperation there than in domestic policy.

[tomSR.]

OP

[poido123]

Accept the values of the country you emigrate to or piss off quite frankly. UK has groups running secret sharia courts and living under their own law, and a government and police force too scared of offending anybody to do anything about it. It is a real said situation when you have FGM taking place on your own shores, and the police referring to it as 'a sensitive cultural issue' - the French don't take this kind of BS: it's either assimilate, or **** off.


Good points.

People like to point to the minority and say that it's not all Muslim/Islam people being bad and that's true. However, these minority extremists are using media sources to scare the public and hold people in a captive state.

Public perception in media can have a dramatic effect and can influence people into thinking the situation is worse than what it is. This is exactly what these groups want and to stir some kind of a religious war.

While we sit back and let it happen, these groups are doing as they please and getting their own way. We need to take the power back from them.

[KevinNYC]

That's $500Million that could be used for American schools, American infrastructure, Americans.



He could never pass a domestic spending bill like that.
The GOP would fight him tooth and nail. American presidents like to focus on foreign policy because there is more cooperation there than in domestic policy.

???? The Department of Education's budget is 70 Billion.

We spend hundreds of billions on infrastructure. The Highway Bill alone is 120 billion.


There are some reports that the 500 million for the rebels is the price tag to get Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states to stop giving money to the extremists.

[zoom17]

These guys are so delusional this is there 5 year plan

http://reclaimourrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/isis-5-year-plan.jpg

[LoPro4u2c]

That's freaking scary.

[MavsSuperFan]

These guys are so delusional this is there 5 year plan

http://reclaimourrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/isis-5-year-plan.jpg
Dont see how they conquer Iran or Saudi Arabia or Israel or Turkey or India.

[MavsSuperFan]

???? The Department of Education's budget is 70 Billion.

We spend hundreds of billions on infrastructure. The Highway Bill alone is 120 billion.


There are some reports that the 500 million for the rebels is the price tag to get Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states to stop giving money to the extremists.
How much of that money was already set to be spent even if obama did nothing?

Anyways it was a hyperbolic statement, obviously we will always spend more domestically.


The Highway Bill alone is 120 billion.
The point is he will have to fight for it and congress might shut down over it

[aj1987]

Dont see how the conquer Iran or Saudi Arabia or Israel or Turkey.
India and parts of China as well.

[LoPro4u2c]

Dont see how the conquer Iran or Saudi Arabia or Israel or Turkey.

It's World War 3 esque.

[MavsSuperFan]

India and parts of China as well.
Delusional ****ers would get crushed by any of those countries individually.

Beating up on a corrupt and weak iraqi army and assad's army has inflated their egos. Im not sure if they can even take the Kurdish peshmerga

[MavsSuperFan]

Warning extremely graphic videos

ISIL killing civilians (starts at 1:31)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwV-Ft3eag

ISIL doing drive bys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzs9ChTG7o4

ISIL murdering captured soldiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475msENJLi4

ISIL dress up as soldiers and make father and son dig own graves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISqHDAqaVEo

ISIL executes captured soldiers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3eziQZJeJM

And just for some balance

Iraqi Shias capture some ISIL fighters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vcRAOZrfpQ

[BasedTom]

These guys are so delusional this is there 5 year plan

http://reclaimourrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/isis-5-year-plan.jpg
Damn they want to revive the Austrian Empire, give African colonies to the Portuguese and create an independent Papal State? Those are some interesting goals!

(for those who don't know, they apparently got that map from Victoria 2 and edited it- a strategy game taking place from 1836-1936)

[tomtucker]

Warning extremely graphic videos

ISIL killing civilians (starts at 1:31)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwV-Ft3eag

ISIL doing drive bys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzs9ChTG7o4

ISIL murdering captured soldiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475msENJLi4

ISIL dress up as soldiers and make father and son dig own graves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISqHDAqaVEo

ISIL executes captured soldiers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3eziQZJeJM

And just for some balance

Iraqi Shias capture some ISIL fighters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vcRAOZrfpQ

.
all these shitholes are lower then dirt........wish the fukkers would just die off and let animals take over their shit countries...........but it

[zoom17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouq3Gw5BX8U#t=107:roll:

[KingBeasley08]

Where you at Jeff? You readin this thread? Didn't you say you delete stuff like this or this only when it's about Israel :lol

[brownmamba00]

Where you at Jeff? You readin this thread? Didn't you say you delete stuff like this or this only when it's about Israel :lol
:oldlol:

[sirkeelma]

Isis video shows Jordanian hostage being burned to death

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT. NSFW!
http://shoebat.com/2015/02/03/watch-horrific-video-isis-burning-pow-jordanian-pilot/

[tomtucker]

Isis video shows Jordanian hostage being burned to death

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT. NSFW!
http://shoebat.com/2015/02/03/watch-horrific-video-isis-burning-pow-jordanian-pilot/

i like the writing in that article..........just some of it :
.
Such brutality has come to the world from an Islamic edict by Ibn Taymiyya, one of the highest authorities on Islamic jurisprudence, and will be emerging as we see neo-Ottomanism revive in which the world will become as we see in the movie Apocalypto with all the heart plucking cannibalism including burning and khazouking Christians and other victims.

As we learned in school when I lived in Bethlehem of Judea, the Ottomans were creative when it came to all sorts of weirdities. At times they used the hot poker, a red hot metal rod that is inserted through the anus which the expert executioner is able to avoid puncturing the heart and the victim could live up to two days before he dies since the bleeding is minimized as the hot rod caterizes the wound.

[code green]

Watched that video of the Jordanian pilot, and it makes me sick. Worst (Best?) part of it is that it was a Sunni muslim, which only proves to me further that Islam isn't the problem. It's these backwards ****s just looking for a reason to act like animals.

I really have no confidence at all that the US is going to do anything about it as long as we keep relying on Saudi Arabia for oil. It's really, really sad to say, but I'm convinced there's only one person that would have the means and stones to take ISIS out...and it might not be a popular opinion.

It's Bashar Al-Assad. He's been the only one that's been able to hold ISIS back once they get into the country. Look at Egypt and Iraq....they can't do shit right now because we killed the only people that could keep them in line. I've been on this soapbox for 2 years, but I think it's finally time we danced with the devil in order to bring some resemblance of peace to that region. Christians and Muslims have and will live together in (as close to) harmony (in that region) with him in power.


Also, kudos to Jordan for killing off those 2 scumbags in prison. Hope there's more to follow.

[Dresta]

Watched that video of the Jordanian pilot, and it makes me sick. Worst (Best?) part of it is that it was a Sunni muslim, which only proves to me further that Islam isn't the problem. It's these backwards ****s just looking for a reason to act like animals.

I really have no confidence at all that the US is going to do anything about it as long as we keep relying on Saudi Arabia for oil. It's really, really sad to say, but I'm convinced there's only one person that would have the means and stones to take ISIS out...and it might not be a popular opinion.

It's Bashar Al-Assad. He's been the only one that's been able to hold ISIS back once they get into the country. Look at Egypt and Iraq....they can't do shit right now because we killed the only people that could keep them in line. I've been on this soapbox for 2 years, but I think it's finally time we danced with the devil in order to bring some resemblance of peace to that region. Christians and Muslims have and will live together in (as close to) harmony (in that region) with him in power.

Also, kudos to Jordan for killing off those 2 scumbags in prison. Hope there's more to follow.
Wrong: they believe that what they are doing is morally justified, not only that, but that it is backed by divine warrant. They seem pretty sure of themselves (unlike westerners), and you can see that just by taking a quick perusal of their twitter accounts:

https://twitter.com/azzamalirhabi

https://twitter.com/Yakub_a_mujahid

https://twitter.com/uygaraktas

et cetera...

edit: it's also pretty funny how the rhetoric they utilise is pretty much the same as that left-wing publications, but then, leftist clowns have always been experts at trivialising the worst kind of atrocities.

[code green]

I've thought (and still think) like the Islam haters for a long time until I had a conversation with my father (Christian, grew up in Lebanon) who tells me he has Muslim family friends that are just as pissed as we all are that this shit is going on. Christians and Muslims have lived together (again, relatively) peacefully in Lebanon and Syria for decades. It took me a while and a few conversations to lighten up about it, so I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind. To be honest, a big part of me still resents the religion. But trust me. There's a lot of upset Muslims that are just too terrified to speak out against it. Fact is, most of the people ISIS has killed have been Muslim.

Islam is certainly their vehicle in which they choose to terrorize the people. And there are a ton of extremists in the world who emphatically believe ISIS is doing Allah's work. But promises of money/fame/72 virgins from Saudi Arabia make it a lot easier for them to do what they do.



PS - If you're referring to me as being a "lefty," I'm a registered Republican.

[Dresta]

I've thought (and still think) like the Islam haters for a long time until I had a conversation with my father (Christian, grew up in Lebanon) who tells me he has Muslim family friends that are just as pissed as we all are that this shit is going on. Christians and Muslims have lived together (again, relatively) peacefully in Lebanon and Syria for decades. It took me a while and a few conversations to lighten up about it, so I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind. To be honest, a big part of me still resents the religion. But trust me. There's a lot of upset Muslims that are just too terrified to speak out against it. Fact is, most of the people ISIS has killed have been Muslim.

Islam is certainly their vehicle in which they choose to terrorize the people. And there are a ton of extremists in the world who emphatically believe ISIS is doing Allah's work. But promises of money/fame/72 virgins from Saudi Arabia make it a lot easier for them to do what they do.

PS - If you're referring to me as being a "lefty," I'm a registered Republican.
I wasn't: i was just pointing out that reading the twitter accounts of these people is like reading the posts on here of Nanners or Droid :roll: - same logic, and unsurprisingly, it has convinced a lot of stupid people to run off to Syria and fight for a religion under attack by the 'evil capitalist West.' All Nanners and Droid need is a socialist war to go off and kill and torture the evil exploiters for kicks. It is the mentality of envy, and the desire for revenge that comes along with.

The weakness and lack of pride we take in our own culture is what results in these people returning to their atavistic ideologies, because why would they buy into a culture so shame-faced, so lacking in respect for itself, so masochistic? That's why Islam, mass immigration, and cultural insecurity at home, provides for a toxic mix, regardless of whether there are moderate and assimilated muslims or not (which there obviously are). The fact that ISIS is filled with citizens from Western countries shows that there has clearly been an oversight somewhere, and it is most definitely a reason for concern.

Anyone who knows much about Islam can recognise that it takes a certain amount of cognitive dissonance for a muslim to live happily in a culture as permissive as ours. It is also hard to deny that there is a clear divide between permissive Western cultures and Islamic ones, and that they have not the slightest similarity to one another. Remember, Christians and Muslims can live together more easily than they can in a society dominated by secularism, as in many ways the latter undermines on Islamic culture (particularly when it comes to the family), whereas the former is compatible in many ways.

[JohnFreeman]

ISIS know that they are fvked, so they are just doing more brutal shit before it's too late.

[pauk]

I've thought (and still think) like the Islam haters for a long time until I had a conversation with my father (Christian, grew up in Lebanon) who tells me he has Muslim family friends that are just as pissed as we all are that this shit is going on. Christians and Muslims have lived together (again, relatively) peacefully in Lebanon and Syria for decades. It took me a while and a few conversations to lighten up about it, so I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind. To be honest, a big part of me still resents the religion. But trust me. There's a lot of upset Muslims that are just too terrified to speak out against it. Fact is, most of the people ISIS has killed have been Muslim.

Islam is certainly their vehicle in which they choose to terrorize the people. And there are a ton of extremists in the world who emphatically believe ISIS is doing Allah's work. But promises of money/fame/72 virgins from Saudi Arabia make it a lot easier for them to do what they do.



PS - If you're referring to me as being a "lefty," I'm a registered Republican.

Christians & Muslims have lived in peace since 100s of years here in fr. Yugoslavia, until the dictator messed everything up, attacking Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo (killing christians AND muslims, as long as you were not serb, you die), luckily those stood in the way of attacking Slovenia & Macedonia (christian "countries") aswell......... and so not even what happened there was because of religion, but because of politics & psychotic brain function, now again its back to like it was before (minus it all being "yugoslavia" again etc. but whatever)... during this war (or excuse me, "genocide") christians & muslims friends/neighbours would help eachother with their lives to survive....

I have nothing but christian & muslim friends / relatives (european/slavic muslims, not to be confused with ARAB/middle-east muslims lol, havent seen an Arab here in Bosnia my entire life, those you can find only/mostly in like England, Germany etc.)... infact i am half christian-muslim myself, kindof secular but yea.... Thing is, fr. Yugoslavian (Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, Montenegrin, Macedonian) muslims here aka. Bosniaks are really the same slavic roots as christians here, just converts since the Ottoman times, same dudes.... except for the Albanian muslims...

[Patrick Chewing]

infact i am half christian-muslim myself

Blasphemer!

[brownmamba00]

ain't no one butchering the serbs man...we all know karadzic milosevic mladic and the srebrenca massacres.

every serb I know do the same shit act like the victim and take shots at the other balkan countries it's pathetic really.

[Dresta]

And it was the Poles who kept the ****ing Ottoman's out of Western Europe :bowdown:

Just as they kept the Soviet's out in 1920.

Poles > Serbs, mother****er. Alas, Western European countries never show any gratitude, rather, they try to pretend these places barely existed, and that they haven't shielded the rest of Europe from the Asian hordes for centuries. The powers of Western Europe have used, betrayed, retarded and destroyed much of Eastern Europe, and then they portray the people they made backwards as being backwards :lol.

[Dresta]

Russians kept the Muslims out of Europe. Don't get me wrong Poles definitely played their part as well, but they weren't as important as the Russians. Hell every time the Ottoman Empire was close to complete destruction by the Russians, Western European nations would enter the conflict on the side of the Muslims in an attempt to stem the rise of Russian-Slavic expansion like they did in the Crimean Wars of the 1850s and the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s (The enemy of my enemy is my friend). The Balkan nations were close to Independence on countless occasions during their enslavement, only for the Western Europeans to fukc it up for us. Their idea was that if they couldnt rule over us (Like they do now), then theyde prefer the Muslims over the Russians too.

The Poles and Serbs were among the biggest victims of World War 2. I think based on population the biggest victims during the war was something like

1. European Jews
2. Russians
3. Poles
4. Serbs

Not to mention World War 1 where the Serbs lost the most people based on population (Something like 1.2 out of 4 million) and 30% of their male population during four years.


True. I think the true reason is that Western Europeans are still very racist towards Slavs, in fact, this remains the only kind of racism that is socially acceptable.

In retrospect, the Poles made a big mistake in saving Vienna, as it would pave the way for it to be partitioned by the powers they had aided and protected. And i think it was fear of the superior military tradition of the slavs that led Western powers to ally themselves with the Turks, despite Turkish brutality (they never had to deal with it).

I've repeatedly argued that the view many Westerners hold of dividing East & Western Europe is a false construction, created by the short-lived predominance of Marxian dogma there. In Russian history, the 20th century remains an exception, and their tradition and culture remains very much European, and not the 'other' it is almost always presented as. Russia could be an important ally, but instead we have to portray it as the evil Communist boogieman (even though it is the complete opposite :hammerhead:).

[tomtucker]

True. I think the true reason is that Western Europeans are still very racist towards Slavs, in fact, this remains the only kind of racism that is socially acceptable.

In retrospect, the Poles made a big mistake in saving Vienna, as it would pave the way for it to be partitioned by the powers they had aided and protected. And i think it was fear of the superior military tradition of the slavs that led Western powers to ally themselves with the Turks, despite Turkish brutality (they never had to deal with it).

I've repeatedly argued that the view many Westerners hold of dividing East & Western Europe is a false construction, created by the short-lived predominance of Marxian dogma there. In Russian history, the 20th century remains an exception, and their tradition and culture remains very much European, and not the 'other' it is almost always presented as. Russia could be an important ally, but instead we have to portray it as the evil Communist boogieman (even though it is the complete opposite :hammerhead:).

yeah, i like reading about history too.........but then i realize that it don't matter shit.........in 50 or 100 years time all euros will be forced to become muslims or be beheaded............fukk Hitler and Germany in WW2, they went after the wrong foe........:facepalm .........alot of good brits, american and germans died for nothing, 60 years later and europe is occupied again, by an 10 time more evil and deadly enemy.........and nobody is coming to save europe this time

[zoom17]

damn... king doing work

False.

[code green]

http://twitchy.com/2015/02/04/hard-core-jordans-king-abdullah-in-combat-gear-and-ready-to-fight-isis-photos/


Gangsta. As. ****.

[brownmamba00]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Out of the one hundred thousand victims in the Bosnian War; 30 000 were Serbs, 65 000 Muslims, 5 000 Croats. We Serbs must have killed our selves i guess. Out of the 2 million refugees of the war, the majority are Serbs. The country in Europe with the largest refugee population is Serbia. the single biggest act of ethnic cleansing during the Yugoslav wars was the expulsion of 350 000 Serbs from Western Croatia.

This isnt even mentioning World War 1 and World War 2 when we were on the Allied side twice, and twice were fed as lambs to the slaughter by our neighbours.......only to win again. Serbia :rockon:
oh wow they got expelled from the country:facepalm

I don't know what kind of serbian sources you have but the victims in the bosnian war is said to be over 200k people from 150k bosnians.

the serbs systematically starved cities out that had high bosnian populations so indirect deaths are usually not accounted for in the statistic numbers serbs give. And it's just a statistic who cares there was a ethnic cleansing going on that wiped out whole bosnian cities end of the story and you should accept that but you'll just throw blame at the US as usual and talk about expulsions.

[sirkeelma]

damn... king doing work

Commendations to King Abdullah II and the Jordanian air force for their resolve. Jordan is acting alone, without the US-led coalition. It is exhibiting leadership by a king who was a military general before he assumed leadership of his nation, as opposed to US president Obama who has no military experience whatsoever.

:rockon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZHgFHMKNM

[9erempiree]

Commendations to King Abdullah II and the Jordanian air force for their resolve. Jordan is acting alone, without the US-led coalition. It is exhibiting leadership by a king who was a military general before he assumed leadership of his nation, as opposed to US president Obama who has no military experience whatsoever.

:rockon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZHgFHMKNM

Unlike Obama?

This is what the Middle East should be doing rather than relying on western countries to do the dirty work.

While I respect the King's decision, it is his duty.

[pauk]

Russians kept the Muslims out of Europe. Don't get me wrong Poles definitely played their part as well, but they weren't as important as the Russians. Hell every time the Ottoman Empire was close to complete destruction by the Russians, Western European nations would enter the conflict on the side of the Muslims in an attempt to stem the rise of Russian-Slavic expansion like they did in the Crimean Wars of the 1850s and the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s (The enemy of my enemy is my friend). The Balkan nations were close to Independence on countless occasions during their enslavement, only for the Western Europeans to fukc it up for us. Their idea was that if they couldnt rule over us (Like they do now), then theyde prefer the Muslims over the Russians too.

The Poles and Serbs were among the biggest victims of World War 2. I think based on population the biggest victims during the war was something like

1. European Jews
2. Russians
3. Poles
4. Serbs

Not to mention World War 1 where the Serbs lost the most people based on population (Something like 1.2 out of 4 million) and 30% of their male population during four years.



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Out of the one hundred thousand victims in the Bosnian War; 30 000 were Serbs, 65 000 Muslims, 5 000 Croats. We Serbs must have killed our selves i guess. Out of the 2 million refugees of the war, the majority are Serbs. The country in Europe with the largest refugee population is Serbia. the single biggest act of ethnic cleansing during the Yugoslav wars was the expulsion of 350 000 Serbs from Western Croatia.

This isnt even mentioning World War 1 and World War 2 when we were on the Allied side twice, and twice were fed as lambs to the slaughter by our neighbours.......only to win again. Serbia :rockon:

Nope, around 100,000 bosniaks were killed during the "war" (not really war, more like simply massmurder, genocide, those others were simply defending themselves in their OWN house, but ok). In addition, an estimated total of 20,000 to 50,000 women, vastly Bosniak, were raped and over 2.2 million were displaced.

Why do you Serbs feel the need to deny/defend what happened? I know you are Serbian but its not your fault man, its your government at that specific time, you had Hitler 2.0 in Slobodan Milosevic.... he raped the entire fr. Yugoslavia to oblivion.... before him EVERYBODY were living in peace & harmony (i know, i lived that life) in beautiful fr. Yugoslavia...... Serbia (Milosevic) wanted to preserve its rule over Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Montenegro (everything) and make it all "Serbia" and that is what brought down fr. Yugoslavia..... just accept it and move on...

PS: ..and you need to stop referring to the muslims in fr. Yugoslavia as simply "muslims", they are Bosniaks/Bosnians... they are as SLAVIC as your genetics are, they are only converts, they have been there all the time, many of them were even christians or whatever before, they are simply converts of the spoils of Ottoman empire times.... the other muslim group there is Albanians, those are entirely different people though....

[Dresta]

Nope, around 100,000 bosniaks were killed during the war. In addition, an estimated total of 20,000 to 50,000 women, vastly Bosniak, were raped and over 2.2 million were displaced.

Why do you Serbs feel the need to deny/defend what happened? I know you are Serbian but its not your fault man, its your government at that specific time, you had Hitler 2.0 in Slobodan Milosevic.... he raped the entire fr. Yugoslavia to oblivion.... just accept it and move on...

PS: ..and you need to stop referring to the muslims in fr. Yugoslavia as simply "muslims", they are Bosniaks/Bosnians... they are as SLAVIC as your genetics are, they are only converts, they have been there all the time, many of them were even christians or whatever before, they are simply converts of the spoils of Ottoman empire times.... the other group is Albanians, those are entirely different though....Fuggin Albanians - Kosovo is going to end up a disaster area tbh.

It is unfair to only blame the Serbs as well - there were atrocities on all 3 sides. Croats slaughtered muslims, as did Serbs, but muslims also reciprocated. The media painted a black & white picture that didn't come close to representing reality of serbs= bad, Croats= ok, Bosniaks = universal good guys and helpless victims. Aren't we forgetting Celebici here? How about the Handschar division (an SS unit composed of Bosniaks to fight against Yugoslav Partisans)?

In reality the Bosniaks drew the most casualties because they were right in the middle of the whole thing. Germany also deserves some of the blame for antagonising the whole region by forcing the recognition of Croatia as an independent state, and then never using their influences to reign the Croats in (instead blaming the Serbs for everything).

[tomtucker]

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