So why isn't it collusion for Melo to join Derrick Rose?

[lilteapot]

and why don't we consider him a quitter?

EDIT: ITT kamil* has an epic meltdown

[J Shuttlesworth]

kamil is praying that Melo or Love don't join the bulls, otherwise he has to cell them Melo*, Love*, or Rose*

[lilteapot]

also inb4 excuses

[Black and White]

If LeBron did it, then why can't Melo? No Heat fan should be able to bash him for it.

[navy]

Any one can do whatever the fvck they want in free agency.

[BigBoss]

I hate Lebron, but won't lie theres a double standard here by the general NBA fan.

I've already written off Melo as beta years ago.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If LeBron did it, then why can't Melo? No Heat fan should be able to bash him for it.
Who says Heat fans are bashing him for it? If he does it, shouldn't the people bashing LeBron also bash melo?

[Fudge]

So Melo=LeBron now or nah?

[kamil]

kamil is praying that Melo or Love don't join the bulls, otherwise he has to cell them Melo*, Love*, or Rose*

Rose is finished. I've stated a number of times that Melo isn't going to save the bulls. Asterisks are only handed out after a championship due to collusion.

Don't be a moron by trying to divert attention from the Heat's very obvious and very real collusion.

[lilteapot]

Rose is finished. I've stated a number of times that Melo isn't going to save the bulls. Asterisks are only handed out after a championship due to collusion.

Don't be a moron by trying to divert attention from the Heat's very obvious and very real collusion.

lol @ you trying to split hairs :roll:

this is the same situation. a top player can't win on one team so they're leaving to win on another. if it's quitting when it comes to Lebron it's quitting when it comes to anyone.

[JohnMax]

No one complained when Kobe got Gasol, Dwight and almost CP3.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Rose is finished. I've stated a number of times that Melo isn't going to save the bulls. Asterisks are only handed out after a championship due to collusion.

Don't be a moron by trying to divert attention from the Heat's very obvious and very real collusion.
The Bulls are saying Rose is back to his old self. He's far from done. Plus they also have a star in Joakim Noah who is DPOY AND Derrick Rose and now they're going to add Melo? Any championships they could potentially win would have an *.

glad you agree with that though.

[ArbitraryWater]

If LeBron did it, then why can't Melo? No Heat fan should be able to bash him for it.

Desperate attempt at trying to spin the facts :oldlol:

We have no problem with it, so we're asking why others only have with LeBron.

You're deflecting and providing the spin doctor isn't helping.


kamil is praying that Melo or Love don't join the bulls, otherwise he has to cell them Melo*, Love*, or Rose*

:roll:

[Genaro]

Melo maybe a top 5 player in this league but Rose doesn't play in 2 years. You can't call collusion when a guy is that much time away.

Lebron and Wade were arguably 1st and 2nd best of the league in 2010 and then you throw in a guy like Bosh who was a top 5 power forward.

[Black and White]

Who says Heat fans are bashing him for it? If he does it, shouldn't the people bashing LeBron also bash melo?

Yes, Melo would get bashed also, but Heat fans wouldn't be able to do it.

[Black and White]

Desperate attempt at trying to spin the facts :oldlol:

We have no problem with it, so we're asking why others only have with LeBron.

You're deflecting and providing the spin doctor isn't helping.



Read my response ^^, plus aren't you a Mavs fan?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yes, Melo would get bashed also, but Heat fans wouldn't be able to do it.
Neither could Laker fans after Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton, or Kobe/Gasol/Nash/Howard

[kamil]

lol @ you trying to split hairs :roll:

this is the same situation. a top player can't win on one team so they're leaving to win on another. if it's quitting when it comes to Lebron it's quitting when it comes to anyone.

Same? SAME situation? Are you retarded?

In what world are Rose and Melo top 5 players in the NBA?? Rose is fvcking DONE. His career of all-star level playing is OVER. Both knees are shot. Noah only plays defense, he doesn't have enough on offense and he's far from being an all around player like Bosh who was top 10 in the NBA and you're going to act as if Rose and Noah are top 10 or even suggest signing ONE player is the SAME as talks behind closed doors to team up with Wade by bringing in two others in their PRIME?

My god, you are fvcking STUPID.

[Black and White]

Neither could Laker fans after Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton, or Kobe/Gasol/Nash/Howard

Would the second scenario be called collusion though? Nash + Howard came in trades.

[Milbuck]

Because Carmelo is coming off a shit 37 win season and missing the playoffs in one of the weakest conferences in NBA history, while Lebron was coming off of 61 and 66 win seasons and back-to-back MVPs. Both of them had every right to leave and go where they want, but it's a bit more understandable in Carmelo's situation.

Also, the Miami Big 3 was working far, far before 2010 free agency. That stuff went as far back as 2006-2007, and really picked up steam during the 2008 olympics. A lot of it was kept in the dark, but it was pretty calculated. This situation with Melo is a bit different. Noah just started contacting him midway through this year, at the all-star break. Until the reports come out after the dust has settled, as of right now the Melo situation is just your typical player to player recruiting process. Whereas the Miami Big 3 situation went far deeper than that.

This is no way to criticize Lebron (and Bosh I guess) for their decisions. The way they did it was kind of obnoxious, but they had/have the right to go where they want to. As does Melo.

[lilteapot]

Same? SAME situation? Are you retarded?

In what world are Rose and Melo top 5 players in the NBA?? Rose is fvcking DONE. His career of all-star level playing is OVER. Both knees are shot. Noah only plays defense, he doesn't have enough on offense and he's far from being an all around player like Bosh who was top 10 in the NBA and you're going to act as if Rose and Noah are top 10 or even suggest signing ONE player is the SAME as talks behind closed doors to team up with Wade by bringing in two others in their PRIME?

My god, you are fvcking STUPID.

i have officially touched a nerve. lmao :roll:

[R.I.P.]

Rose is not an active NBA player. :D

[Kukoc]

Because we dont know is Rose is coming back as the same Rose

[J Shuttlesworth]

Same? SAME situation? Are you retarded?

In what world are Rose and Melo top 5 players in the NBA?? Rose is fvcking DONE. His career of all-star level playing is OVER. Both knees are shot. Noah only plays defense, he doesn't have enough on offense and he's far from being an all around player like Bosh who was top 10 in the NBA and you're going to act as if Rose and Noah are top 10 or even suggest signing ONE player is the SAME as talks behind closed doors to team up with Wade by bringing in two others in their PRIME?

My god, you are fvcking STUPID.
So you just gonna ignore that Rose is still young, and the reports are that he looks like his former self? Westbrook came back after two knee surgeries, and so could Rose.

lol @ Noah playing only defense. Best passing big man in the NBA and an all star/DPOY in his prime. Melo = one of the best scorers in the NBA in his prime. Rose is a former MVP

If they win a ring, your name will become *kamil

[Fudge]

LOL @ LeBron stans comparing both situations.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Would the second scenario be called collusion though? Nash + Howard came in trades.
Trade demands are indeed collusion. It's not like Dwight left against his will

[Fudge]

plus aren't you a Mavs fan?
Is he? :oldlol:

[Black and White]

Trade demands are indeed collusion. It's not like Dwight left against his will

LA wasn't where he wanted to be, thats clear.

[Black and White]

Is he? :oldlol:

I'm pretty sure I saw him in a thread saying he was a Mavs fan.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Well, Derrick Rose has played 12 games in 2 years.

[lilteapot]

Well, Derrick Rose has played 12 games in 2 years.

So why would Melo hypothetically want to be on the Bulls if Rose is not a factor?

[kamil]

So you just gonna ignore that Rose is still young, and the reports are that he looks like his former self? Westbrook came back after two knee surgeries, and so could Rose.

Are you seriously undermining a torn ACL and MCL on both knees and what it will do to an athlete?

[nathanjizzle]

because collusion requires a 2nd and 3rd party. What other free agent has melo been talking to to come join him with the bulls? so far its just 1 free agent going to another team. joakim and rose arnt free agents.

lebron however joined chris bosh another free agent and dwyane wade who was a free agent to go to miami.

thats 3 parties vs 1.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Are you seriously undermining a torn ACL and MCL on both knees and what it will do to an athlete?
GAWDbrook recovered from a torn ACL and a torn meniscus. Or are you just think the reports that Derrick Rose is back to his former self are not true/made up?

[lilteapot]

because collusion requires a 2nd and 3rd party. What other free agent has melo been talking to to come join him with the bulls? so far its just 1 free agent going to another team. joakim and rose arnt free agents.

lebron however joined chris bosh another free agent and dwyane wade who was a free agent to go to miami.

thats 3 parties vs 1.

Noah has been "recruiting" Melo since the all star break.

[ThemBombs]

Same? SAME situation? Are you retarded?

In what world are Rose and Melo top 5 players in the NBA?? Rose is fvcking DONE. His career of all-star level playing is OVER. Both knees are shot. Noah only plays defense, he doesn't have enough on offense and he's far from being an all around player like Bosh who was top 10 in the NBA and you're going to act as if Rose and Noah are top 10 or even suggest signing ONE player is the SAME as talks behind closed doors to team up with Wade by bringing in two others in their PRIME?

My god, you are fvcking STUPID.
dude, you're probably the biggest moron in this thread. how many players were truly "done" after a torn meniscus? how many of them were Derrick Rose's age? furthermore, explain how his athleticism was virtually unchanged in the 12 games he played this year, and everyone agreed that his poor performance was because of the rust of not playing?

[Hey Yo]

Rose is finished. I've stated a number of times that Melo isn't going to save the bulls. Asterisks are only handed out after a championship due to collusion.

Don't be a moron by trying to divert attention from the Heat's very obvious and very real collusion.
LOL @ calling others morons when you don't even know WTF collusion means.

Grab a dictionary or keep making yourself looking like a dope

[jimmy77x]

I wonder who's alt is this "lilteapot" ph@ggot salty bran stan to embarrassed to post on his original.

[kamil]

GAWDbrook recovered from a torn ACL and a torn meniscus. Or are you just think the reports that Derrick Rose is back to his former self are not true/made up?

Westbrook had a SLIGHT tear in his MCL. Not his ACL, you goof. And Rose's injuries are much greater.

Does it bother you that people still call out Miami for its collusion? Are you a bandwagon Miami fan, now worried that your fake support of a team is coming to an end?

[MellowYellow]

while a healthy rose would be nice, it wouldnt be neccessary. Even dj augustine is a massive upgrade over Failton. Bulls would be title contenders with or without Rose if Melo went to chitown.

[lilteapot]

I wonder who's alt is this "lilteapot" ph@ggot salty bran stan to embarrassed to post on his original.
you sound like the salty one now sweetheart :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's colluding if you actually think LeBron/Wade/Bosh (in their primes) = Rose/Noah/Melo

If people legit think the former is equal to the latter, then you might as well quit watching basketball.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Westbrook had a SLIGHT tear in his MCL. Not his ACL, you goof. And Rose's injuries are much greater.

Does it bother you that people still call out Miami for its collusion? Are you a bandwagon Miami fan, now worried that your fake support of a team is coming to an end?
I couldn't give a shit, personally. A free agent is a free agent and I don't give a shit what they choose to do. I just find it funny that posters like kamil* have such a double standard when it comes to their own teams doing the same shit.

You know it's bad when even BigBoss says it's a double standard :lol:

[lilteapot]

It's colluding if you actually think LeBron/Wade/Bosh (in their primes) = Rose/Noah/Melo

If people legit think the former is equal to the latter, then you might as well quit watching basketball.
sorry, talent level doesn't decide whether or not colluding is colluding. the situation being colluding means it is colluding. you can't just change the definition.

[jimmy77x]

you sound like the salty one now sweetheart :roll:

Not man enough to post on your original huh bran groupie?

[nathanjizzle]

while a healthy rose would be nice, it wouldnt be neccessary. Even dj augustine is a massive upgrade over Failton. Bulls would be title contenders with or without Rose if Melo went to chitown.

when has melo ever been a contender as the man? when AI and Chauncy were leading the point. dont over value a loser and undervalue a winner.

[kamil]

while a healthy rose would be nice, it wouldnt be neccessary. Even dj augustine is a massive upgrade over Failton. Bulls would be title contenders with or without Rose if Melo went to chitown.

I don't see it happening. If LeBron* has trouble getting a 'stacked' team like the Heat to a chip (7 games against Indiana? Ray Allen bailout? Losing in 5 this year? losing against Dallas?) I don't see Melo getting Chicago over the hump.

[lilteapot]

Not man enough to post on your original huh bran groupie?
Yeah I'm totally afraid of some weirdo finding out who my "REAL" account is even though you still won't have any of my personal information

[kamil]

I couldn't give a shit, personally. A free agent is a free agent and I don't give a shit what they choose to do. I just find it funny that posters like kamil* have such a double standard when it comes to their own teams doing the same shit.

You know it's bad when even BigBoss says it's a double standard :lol:

It's because you Heat 'fans' are reaching HARD, just trying to justify Miami's collusion and ignoring posts like this:


It's colluding if you actually think LeBron/Wade/Bosh (in their primes) = Rose/Noah/Melo

If people legit think the former is equal to the latter, then you might as well quit watching basketball.

[Warfan]

I don't give a fukc as long as they beat miami

[ThemBombs]

I don't see it happening. If LeBron* has trouble getting a 'stacked' team like the Heat to a chip (7 games against Indiana? Ray Allen bailout? Losing in 5 this year? losing against Dallas?) I don't see Melo getting Chicago over the hump.
do you remember in 2011 when the Bulls had the best record in the NBA and lost to the Heat in the ECF simply because they lacked the offensive firepower? Melo not only helps the Bulls regain that dominance but puts them over the top. with Melo, they're favorites to win for sure.

[nathanjizzle]

Noah has been "recruiting" Melo since the all star break.

well thats the difference, noah isnt a FA so he was recruiting. lebron, bosh and wade wernt recruiting anyone they were colluding since all were FA's deciding to go to 1 team. go to bed son.

[Hey Yo]

sorry, talent level doesn't decide whether or not colluding is colluding. the situation being colluding means it is colluding. you can't just change the definition.
collusion:

secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion

[Fudge]

Why are LeBron stans so insecure? Holy shit. :oldlol:

[lilteapot]

It's because you Heat 'fans' are reaching HARD, just trying to justify Miami's collusion and ignoring posts like this:
I don't expect a moron from the worst state in the union to understand the meaning of the world "collusion"

[MellowYellow]

when has melo ever been a contender as the man? when AI and Chauncy were leading the point. dont over value a loser and undervalue a winner.

Melo was the man on his team every single year he has been the NBA dont kid yourself. Billups was the 1b Melo was the 1a, and Billups pales compared to guys like Godbrook and 2011 Wade.

[kamil]

do you remember in 2011 when the Bulls had the best record in the NBA and lost to the Heat in the ECF simply because they lacked the offensive firepower? Melo not only helps the Bulls regain that dominance but puts them over the top. with Melo, they're favorites to win for sure.

Yeah... 3 years ago. It'll be 4 next year in the playoffs. But is the team the same today? No. Is Rose the same? No. Is Deng still there? No. How'd the Bulls perform this year in a pathetic eastern conference?

You're living in the past.

[Hey Yo]

It's because you Heat 'fans' are reaching HARD, just trying to justify Miami's collusion and ignoring posts like this:
What did Miami do that was illegal or deceitful against the NBA rules?

Keep making yourself look like a dope...it's funny.

[kamil]

What did Miami do that was illegal or deceitful against the NBA rules?

Is this a serious question?

[lilteapot]

Is this a serious question?
oh God you people just keep on taking the stupidity to a whole new level :roll:

[Hey Yo]

Is this a serious question?
Yes it is, because you keep using a word that doesn't apply or knows WTF it means

[kamil]

Yes it is, because you keep using a word that doesn't apply.

So you actually DON'T think it was collusion between LeBron*, Wade and Bosh?

:facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

It's because you Heat 'fans' are reaching HARD, just trying to justify Miami's collusion and ignoring posts like this:
In the end, it's three stars in their prime joining forces. Rose is injured, but he's still young/plenty of prime years left. There is nothing against the NBA rules about what Wade/Bosh/James did. Noah was recruiting Melo a while ago, and there's nothing wrong with that. I didn't have a problem with the Heat doing it, nor will I have a problem with Noah/Rose/Melo doing it.

And I love how you keep ignoring the part where there are numerous reports saying that Rose looks back to his former self, explosion wise.

[J Shuttlesworth]

So you actually DON'T think it was collusion between LeBron*, Wade and Bosh?

:facepalm
“What we told the owners was that the three players are totally, as our system has evolved, within their rights to talk to each other,” Commissioner David Stern said after the meeting, which was held here in conjunction with the N.B.A. summer league.

And seriously if you think it's against the rules, I don't get how you don't see Noah recruiting Melo as against the rules. The # of stars doesn't matter whether it's 2 or 3. It's still the same concept of players recruiting other players.

[ThemBombs]

Yeah... 3 years ago. It'll be 4 next year in the playoffs. But is the team the same today? No. Is Rose the same? No. Is Deng still there? No. How'd the Bulls perform this year in a pathetic eastern conference?

You're living in the past.
the Bulls won 48 games this year without Derrick Rose or any type of offense. with Derrick Rose alone, they win at least 10 more games. 10.
also, you keep preaching about how Rose won't ever return to his former self but you failed to respond to my post.

next year, without Boozer and hypothetically with Melo in the lineup, and provided Rose stays healthy, the Bulls not only return to being the best defensive team in the league, they will also have a top-ten offense at worst. who from either conference will be able to stop them? the Heat? no, they wouldn't be able to handle that kind of Bulls team. The Pacers or Spurs? both losing key pieces this summer and who knows if San Antonio's aging core will perform the same way next year. The Clippers? OKC? they'd get shut down within 6 at best if the Bulls met either in the Finals

[kamil]

And I love how you keep ignoring the part where there are numerous reports saying that Rose looks back to his former self, explosion wise.

Because I'm not buying it, lol. I'm calling it now;

When Rose does not perform like his old athletic self, what will YOU say is the reason for it?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Because I'm not buying it, lol. I'm calling it now;

When Rose does not perform like his old athletic self, what will YOU say is the reason for it?
I don't get what you're saying... Are you saying if Rose was healthy, it would be collusion, and since he's not, it's not? Doesn't make any sense. So if Rose does turn out to be 100% healthy, you'll admit it was collusion? You obviously have a skewed/warped definition of collusion

[kamil]

And seriously if you think it's against the rules, I don't get how you don't see Noah recruiting Melo as against the rules. The # of stars doesn't matter whether it's 2 or 3. It's still the same concept of players recruiting other players.

I never said its againt the rules. DO NOT put words into my mouth you piece of dogshit. I do however, have a big problem with the lack of INTEGRITY from LeBron*, Wade and Bosh teaming up in their prime as 2 of the top 5 and 1 top 10 players in the NBA just to win a ring.

Ring chasers. Period. And you applaud that.

[onhcetum]

because no one is calling him a top 20 player... he's a top 30 player, and that's where he'll remain since he has no rings and is joining a superteam

[kamil]

I don't get what you're saying... Are you saying if Rose was healthy, it would be collusion, and since he's not, it's not? Doesn't make any sense. So if Rose does turn out to be 100% healthy, you'll admit it was collusion? You obviously have a skewed/warped definition of collusion

I never bother with hypothetical BS like that.

[r0drig0lac]

Melo maybe a top 5 player in this league but Rose doesn't play in 2 years. You can't call collusion when a guy is that much time away.

Lebron and Wade were arguably 1st and 2nd best of the league in 2010 and then you throw in a guy like Bosh who was a top 5 power forward.
this

[J Shuttlesworth]

I never bother with hypothetical BS like that.
Well your whole argument that Rose won't be a star next year is hypothetical, FYI.. and it actually goes against the reports that are currently out.

If Bosh had just finished recovering from an injury in 2011, would you say it wasn't collusion?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The way Miami handled it with arguably the best and second best player joining forces was lame and cowardly, but your (kamil) definition of "collusion" doesn't make sense.

It's borderline retarded honestly. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

So you actually DON'T think it was collusion between LeBron*, Wade and Bosh?

:facepalm
What did they do that was illegal or against NBA rules?

[J Shuttlesworth]

The way Miami handled it with arguably the best and second best player joining forces was lame and cowardly, but your (*kamil) definition of "collusion" doesn't make sense.

It's borderline retarded honestly. :oldlol:
fixed

[ballup]

Wait, Melo is going to the Bulls just to sit on the bench? Thought he would go there to help contend for a championship.

[MellowYellow]

because no one is calling him a top 20 player... he's a top 30 player, and that's where he'll remain since he has no rings and is joining a superteam

Durant has no rings, and a superteam basically fell into his lap. Guess he is just a top 30 player as well.

[no pun intended]

Because LeBron is ten times the player Carmelo is.

[MellowYellow]

Because LeBron is ten times the player Carmelo is.

Lebron isnt 10 times the player that battier is much less carmelo.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron isnt 10 times the player that battier is much less carmelo.
How many MVPs/rings does melo have?

[no pun intended]

Lebron isnt 10 times the player that battier is much less carmelo.
You're right. He's like 100 times the player Battier is.

[MVBallin2K]

Because the Bulls built this over time, not within one particular season. If both Love and Melo head to the Bulls somehow, then I'm easily within the camp that it's ridiculous and not disimilar to the Heat even with Rose not playing that much.

However, you only have Melo joining a team in the first place. You don't have like you did in 2010 where Lebron and Bosh joined the Heat, not to mention the three of them considering their options of where they would even play together in the first place. I already know someone will ask well the Heat built their team over time, how come Melo can't go there and not be chastised? The Heat are a championship team that made the finals, win or lose. The Bulls were bounced in the first round.

[MellowYellow]

You're right. He's like 100 times the player Battier is.

nope ur dead wrong, lets go by PER, Lebron is like 3 times the player that Battier is and 1.2 times the player Melo is. If you have a more accurate way to measure then please enlighten me.

[no pun intended]

nope ur dead wrong, lets go by PER, Lebron is like 3 times the player that Battier is and 1.2 times the player Melo is. If you have a more accurate way to measure then please enlighten me.
Yes, after 10 years of careful, precise scientifically backed research, I compiled a myriad of sets of highly advanced statistical models that analytically postulate that LeBron is 102.4 times better than Battier. Conclusions also point out that LeBron is 0.4 times worse than Kobe. PM me if you're interested about this state-of-the-art statistical model.

[russwest0]

Who says Heat fans are bashing him for it? If he does it, shouldn't the people bashing LeBron also bash melo?

did Melo guarantee a championship to NY and say he wasn't going to stop until he got it?
is he going to announce his decision on live TV?
is he going to celebrate with teammates the next day as if the bulls have already won the championship?

f'in lol at people who still don't understand why lebron gets criticized for doing what he did.

[1~Gibson~1]

Its not collusion* because LeBron haters fear that one day he might be better than Kobe. Look around ISH and all you see are Kobe/LeBron threads left and right.

We all know Melo is never going to be on their level, thus there is no collusion*. He's just "playing it smart" (ironically this is the same exact thing that LeBron did, but Melo doesnt receive and flack because there is no driven agenda towards Melo like their is for Lebron).

[1~Gibson~1]

Because LeBron is ten times the player Carmelo is.
Before Durant, Melo was the deadliest offensive weapon in the game. He xan post you, triple threat, drive, pass, insane jumpshot... he could do it all.

I hate how he's put on so much weight that he's now considered a Pf but i still consider him a Sf. I didnt get to watch much of him last season but hes probably still a beast offensively.

Defensively Lebron is better. But LeBron isnt "10x" the player LeBron is. I dont think Melo has ever been on a championship level team. He's been on a few contending teams, but never championship level

Whether ISH likes it or not, we're still talking about a guy that can lead your team to a championship.

[FLDFSU]

because collusion requires a 2nd and 3rd party. What other free agent has melo been talking to to come join him with the bulls? so far its just 1 free agent going to another team. joakim and rose arnt free agents.

lebron however joined chris bosh another free agent and dwyane wade who was a free agent to go to miami.

thats 3 parties vs 1.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

I swear you guys are such morons. NONE OF THIS IS COLLUSION. NOT THE HEAT, AND NOT A POTENTIAL MELO, ROSE, AND NOAH.

Unless, the other Owners get together and say that nobody can sign Melo except the Bulls, it would not be collusion.

FOR THE LAST TIME. PLAYERS CANNOT COLLUDE!

OWNERS COLLUDE.

[Hey Yo]

Its not collusion* because LeBron haters fear that one day he might be better than Kobe. Look around ISH and all you see are Kobe/LeBron threads left and right.

We all know Melo is never going to be on their level, thus there is no collusion*. He's just "playing it smart" (ironically this is the same exact thing that LeBron did, but Melo doesnt receive and flack because there is no driven agenda towards Melo like their is for Lebron).
He's already passed Kobe. Kobe stans loved it when James was with Cleveland. Then he got a legit 2nd option in Miami and they shit their pants while scrambling.

[ArbitraryWater]

Read my response ^^, plus aren't you a Mavs fan?

So how does me being a Mavs fan change shit? Are you trying to get on me for that now?

You're still the spin doctor you know that right?

[FLDFSU]

Because Carmelo is coming off a shit 37 win season and missing the playoffs in one of the weakest conferences in NBA history, while Lebron was coming off of 61 and 66 win seasons and back-to-back MVPs. Both of them had every right to leave and go where they want, but it's a bit more understandable in Carmelo's situation.

Also, the Miami Big 3 was working far, far before 2010 free agency. That stuff went as far back as 2006-2007, and really picked up steam during the 2008 olympics. A lot of it was kept in the dark, but it was pretty calculated. This situation with Melo is a bit different. Noah just started contacting him midway through this year, at the all-star break. Until the reports come out after the dust has settled, as of right now the Melo situation is just your typical player to player recruiting process. Whereas the Miami Big 3 situation went far deeper than that.

This is no way to criticize Lebron (and Bosh I guess) for their decisions. The way they did it was kind of obnoxious, but they had/have the right to go where they want to. As does Melo.

Let me guess. If Lebron signs with Portland, and Wade signs with Golden State, and Bosh signs with Atlanta you will say that this was planned 10 years ago :coleman:

I guess you would just changed the name and place if Melo, Lebron, and Stat joined up in NYC in 2010.

[FLDFSU]

How come the same people talking about the Heat "colluded," who were the same people talking about how the NBA was rigged, are no longer talking about how the NBA is rigged?

So if the San Antonio Spurs win, then the NBA is not rigged. But if the heat wins, then the NBA suddenly becomes rigged.

[russwest0]

How come the same people talking about the Heat "colluded," who were the same people talking about how the NBA was rigged, are no longer talking about how the NBA is rigged?

So if the San Antonio Spurs win, then the NBA is not rigged. But if the heat wins, then the NBA suddenly becomes rigged.

Even a moron could see that the Heats first championship run in 2012 was rigged from the get go. The Finals that year should have been the Celtics/Spurs.

The last 2 years have been fine however.

[russwest0]

He's already passed Kobe. Kobe stans loved it when James was with Cleveland. Then he got a legit 2nd option in Miami and they shit their pants while scrambling.

And then the 2011 Finals happened and then they laughed their asses off realizing he'd never come close to Kobe.

[diamenz]

because rose isn't the best player in the world.

but, it's still bad.

[Hey Yo]

And then the 2011 Finals happened and then they laughed their asses off realizing he'd never come close to Kobe.
And then James performed, like Kobe wished he did, in B2B Finals wins.

Kobe 2/5.....2 good Finals, 5 bad Finals

[Milbuck]

Let me guess. If Lebron signs with Portland, and Wade signs with Golden State, and Bosh signs with Atlanta you will say that this was planned 10 years ago :coleman:

I guess you would just changed the name and place if Melo, Lebron, and Stat joined up in NYC in 2010.
How about you read my entire comment before you spew off-based accusations?

There were countless reports that the entire free agency situation with Lebron, Bosh, and Wade was built up, if not thoroughly planned, over years before the decision actually happened. This isn't my opinion, this isn't me fabricating nonsense, there were actual reports of it. Anyone who thought that Lebron's decision was your typical recruiting process and had zero work put into it prior to 2010 is being pretty naive, honestly. I just feel bad for Chicago fans who really never had a shot but were led to believe they did the whole time.

And like I said, this Melo situation is only a "typical" recruiting process as of right now. A few months from now if he's officially with the Bulls, the reports could leak out that his had been built towards for years. But that hasn't happened yet, and by all signals, this seems to be just another recruiting process. I just have a hard time believing Joakim Noah and Melo, people who have never had any sort of friendship or connection prior to this situation, have been talking to each other about this for years. Same goes for Derrick "I won't recruit" Rose.

If the Big 3 splits up and signs with the places you mentioned, of course it wouldn't have been planned over significant time. If you're likening your hypothetical scenario...to 3 stars from the same draft class, who all happened to be good/great friends, signing calculated extensions with their respective first teams to hit free agency at the same time...I don't know what to tell you.

[j3lademaster]

explain how his athleticism was virtually unchanged in the 12 games he played this year:wtf: Were we watching the same D-Rose?

[russwest0]

And then James performed, like Kobe wished he did, in B2B Finals wins.

Kobe 2/5.....2 good Finals, 5 bad Finals

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/195/8/f/yaoming_meme_png_by_blinkytv-d578rcx.png

[FLDFSU]

Because the Bulls built this over time, not within one particular season. If both Love and Melo head to the Bulls somehow, then I'm easily within the camp that it's ridiculous and not disimilar to the Heat even with Rose not playing that much.

However, you only have Melo joining a team in the first place. You don't have like you did in 2010 where Lebron and Bosh joined the Heat, not to mention the three of them considering their options of where they would even play together in the first place. I already know someone will ask well the Heat built their team over time, how come Melo can't go there and not be chastised? The Heat are a championship team that made the finals, win or lose. The Bulls were bounced in the first round.

But in 2010, the Cavaliers were bounced in the second round, and the heat were bounced in the first round by Boston. And Toronto Raptors did not even make the playoffs. How would this not be the same thing?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Even a moron could see that the Heats first championship run in 2012 was rigged from the get go. The Finals that year should have been the Celtics/Spurs.

The last 2 years have been fine however.
:facepalm if you wanna talk rigged, the Thunder had no business being in the finals in 2012, or the 2nd round of 2014

[Blue&Orange]

and why don't we consider him a quitter?

EDIT: ITT kamil* has an epic meltdown
Melo didn't agree to join Rose while playing with another team, he didn't change his shirt number one year before FA, because he already decided to bolt, he didn't quit on his team because he was afraid cavs would make the finals, possibly win and then he couldn't go to the Heat win multiple championships.

This known and recent facts answer your question?

[onhcetum]

Durant has no rings, and a superteam basically fell into his lap. Guess he is just a top 30 player as well.


I obviously meant all-time... people talk like lebron is top 15, 10, 5 or whatever. that's the difference. no one is calling carmelo an all-time great, which is why he gets a pass for sucking. no one expects him to be great. 25ppg chucker is his legacy

[FLDFSU]

Even a moron could see that the Heats first championship run in 2012 was rigged from the get go. The Finals that year should have been the Celtics/Spurs.

The last 2 years have been fine however.

Wait so you are admitting that OKC did not legitimately make it to the NBA finals in 2012?

[FLDFSU]

Melo didn't agree to join Rose while playing with another team, he didn't change his shirt number one year before FA, because he already decided to bolt, he didn't quit on his team because he was afraid cavs would make the finals, possibly win and then he couldn't go to the Heat win multiple championships.

This known and recent facts answer your question?

Great observation. So tell us what team will Lebron James go to this season?

[Blue&Orange]

Great observation. So tell us what team will Lebron James go to this season?
Would anyone be surprised he goes back to the cavs after they being gifted against all odds with multiple n

[Legends66NBA7]

when has melo ever been a contender as the man? when AI and Chauncy were leading the point. dont over value a loser and undervalue a winner.

NBA, NCAA, Olypmics, etc... Melo has won more than Rose has.

[lilteapot]

Melo didn't agree to join Rose while playing with another team, he didn't change his shirt number one year before FA, because he already decided to bolt, he didn't quit on his team because he was afraid cavs would make the finals, possibly win and then he couldn't go to the Heat win multiple championships.

This known and recent facts answer your question?
Right, he only forced his original team to trade him because he couldn't wait for free agency. That's not a scumbag move at all, right?

[JT123]

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]Would anyone be surprised he goes back to the cavs after they being gifted against all odds with multiple n

[FLDFSU]

Right, he only forced his original team to trade him because he couldn't wait for free agency. That's not a scumbag move at all, right?

But Melo didn't force anything. He only stated that he will not sign an extension and that he wished to play out his current contract. He let Denver know that he will be willing to sign an extension with the Knicks but otherwise he wanted to just play out his contract.

Denver decided to trade him rather than lose him like the Cavaliers did with Lebron.

[FLDFSU]

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]Would anyone be surprised he goes back to the cavs after they being gifted against all odds with multiple n

[Keno]

because melo is overrated and not as good and important as lebron is. no one really cares that much about what he does.

[NumberSix]

I hope Melo colluded to join Miami.

[Blue&Orange]

I'm a blithering idiot

me too

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343734

[SexSymbol]

Because nobody right in the head calls Melo a legit superstar

[-Lebron23-]

Sounds like OP is scared :oldlol:

[tontoz]

How is joining Rose a collusion? Rose hasn't even played for 2 seasons and reportedly prefers Love anyway.

[coin24]

Unless melo has been conspiring to team up with 2 other superstars for the last 3 or so years then it's not the same..:facepalm

Melo is a FA can sign wherever he wants..

I didn't have a problem with bran leaving Cleveland, that was his choice as a free agent, I just think it's beta teaming up for way less money and in the loser fashion he did it..

[fpliii]

Durant has no rings, and a superteam basically fell into his lap. Guess he is just a top 30 player as well.
You're putting Melo on Durant's level?

Jesus ****ing christ, I hate this forum sometimes. :facepalm

[poido123]

Let's see, so Melo joining the Bulls is the same thing as 3 allstars joining together in their prime, taking paycuts, WITH the best player in the world exactly the same?

So many dumb fcks in this thread :facepalm

Bulls will have to trade away possibly Gibson and amnesty Boozer to fit Melo and possibly Mirotic to go under the cap.

Miami forcefully manipulated their way under cap by having their best players take paycuts to gain an advantage.

Totally different scenario.

Melo joining a team with a lot of question marks is hardly the same as Miami who at the time seemed to be like an allstar team playing against inferior competition.

[JohnFreeman]

Wade wasn't in his prime when they teamed up.

[ralph_i_el]

and why don't we consider him a quitter?

EDIT: ITT kamil* has an epic meltdown

we pile enough shit on melo already

[Warfan]

Wade wasn't in his prime when they teamed up.

:biggums:
For the first year he was, and he was great in 2012

[poido123]

Wade wasn't in his prime when they teamed up.


He just came off a 26/6/5 season prior, played 77 games and turned 30 in january during Miami's first season with the big 3.

I'd consider 29-30 to be in your prime. :confusedshrug:

[JohnFreeman]

08-09 was his prime.

[coin24]

Standard "heat fan" geniuses in this thread..

So now wade wasn't prime, and anyone leaving in FA is the same as what bran/bosh/wade did... Ok:facepalm

[Warfan]

08-09 was his prime.

Well then you're thinking about peak, prime is usually a stretch of 5+ years and he wasn't even 30 yet

[-Lebron23-]

08-09 was his prime.
One season? That's his peak, buddy

[poido123]

08-09 was his prime.


Again, he just came off a 26/6/5 season and had just turned 30.

Still in his prime, not peak, but prime...

[JohnFreeman]

Whatever, still collusion

[poido123]

Whatever, still collusion


You used to be an OK poster, what happened to you :facepalm

I'll copy/paste what I wrote in response to this collusion nonsense:

Let's see, so Melo joining the Bulls is the same thing as 3 allstars joining together in their prime, taking paycuts, WITH the best player in the world exactly the same?

So many dumb fcks in this thread

Bulls will have to trade away possibly Gibson and amnesty Boozer to fit Melo and possibly Mirotic to go under the cap.

Miami forcefully manipulated their way under cap by having their best players take paycuts to gain an advantage.

Totally different scenario.

Melo joining a team with a lot of question marks is hardly the same as Miami who at the time seemed to be like an allstar team playing against inferior competition.

[JohnFreeman]

Rudy Gay just picked up his contract, let me vent

[poido123]

Rudy Gay just picked up his contract, let me vent


LOLZ :lol

Kings will be kings :(

[-Lebron23-]

Rudy Gay just picked up his contract, let me vent
I feel you, man. The bright side is you may be able to use his contract to grab disgruntled talent before the deadline. Still 30+ games of him on a Kings uniform though :facepalm

[tmacattack33]

Because Melo sucks.

Also, Noah isn't an offensive star like Bosh was. He's a better player overall but most casual fans only know about offense. So most people would only look at Chicago as a big 2 with Melo and Rose.