Bulls are a terrible fit for Carmelo

[el gringos]

Personal wise- the bulls roster is a terrible fit for Carmelo's inside-out game.

The worst thing you can do when you have Carmelo is to surround him w non shooters and push him to a perimeter ball handler. Rose/butler/taj/Noah would do exactly that- push Carmelo farther away from the basket.


Now I can see why the bulls in need of scoring would want Carmelo. And for fans who look at it as a video game sure- need more scoring get Carmelo. But I can't see how someone looking out for Carmelo would think the bulls are the best fit for him.


And that's not even taking into account that playing for ownership that would rather save money than spend it and you have a max guy as part of that limited budget who may never be that kind of player again.

[DStebb716]

I disagree on the personnel deal, but I think the coaching is bad for him. It may help him some defensively, but I don't think Thibs will have even the slightest clue on how to incorporate him into the offense.

[eeeeeebro]

Without reading much of this I'm going to use my phsychic powers this is a nicks fan

[el gringos]

Without reading much of this I'm going to use my phsychic powers this is a nicks fan
Nope. A Carmelo fan.

[lilteapot]

Pretty much. He'd be the one taking all the shots from the outside unless Rose has developed into a lights out shooter during his extensive time off. He'd be an iso ball machine just like he was in NY

[Genaro]

Shooters aren't rare nowadays, if that is the problem Bulls could just sing Jodie Meeks and few other good cheap shooters.

[joe]

Agreed. And I wouldn't want to play for Thibs anyway. He doesn't get that its a long season and players need rest. Not to mention a controlling franchise with rules against wearing headbands. Go to a team that respects you and won't wear you down.

[Dengness9]

Agreed. And I wouldn't want to play for Thibs anyway. He doesn't get that its a long season and players need rest. Not to mention a controlling franchise with rules against wearing headbands. Go to a team that respects you and won't wear you down.

This post is beyond comical.

Thibs and Melo are known fans of each other with mutual respect.

A controlling franchise? Thats laughable. Ben Wallace wore headbands. Rip Hamilton wore headbands. So will Melo if he plays here.

Did you know Carmelo Anthony avg the most minutes per game in the NBA last season? I already can see you have no idea what you're talking about.

He played as much as Jimmy Butler who is 5 years younger.

http://espn.go.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/league/nba/sort/avgMinutes

[ballinhun8]

The headband rule was a Scott Skiles thing.



But I'm sure you knew that already.

[blacknapalm]

not really. they need someone who can score. adding someone as good melo in that category is always a plus, especially since he can do it both from outside and inside. thibs can hide him defensively and get him to be a better team defensive player overall. if he can't, no one will in his career.

when bulls' offense sputters, they can turn to melo. it will also allow rose to come back slowly and at full strength. noah's one of the best passing bigs. you can have him in the high post making an entry pass to melo or pressuring the defense so melo gets a flare screen on the outside.

an all-star rose with noah, gibson and melo are a very good team. don't think they'll amnesty boozer but if he scores off the bench for them, ti's gravy. it's probably a better fit than houston really.

[el gringos]

not really. they need someone who can score. adding someone as good melo in that category is always a plus, especially since he can do it both from outside and inside. thibs can hide him defensively and get him to be a better team defensive player overall. if he can't, no one will in his career.

when bulls' offense sputters, they can turn to melo. it will also allow rose to come back slowly and at full strength. noah's one of the best passing bigs. you can have him in the high post making an entry pass to melo or pressuring the defense so melo gets a flare screen on the outside.

an all-star rose with noah, gibson and melo are a very good team. don't think they'll amnesty boozer but if he scores off the bench for them, ti's gravy. it's probably a better fit than houston really.
The point I tried to make is that even if Carmelo is the best guy the bulls could go after the Bulls are not a good fit FOR CARMELO.

[blacknapalm]

The point I tried to make is that even if Carmelo is the best guy the bulls could go after the Bulls are not a good fit FOR CARMELO.

in terms of what? winning? he hasn't even made the finals? what's the best FOR CARMELO?

[ihatetimthomas]

The Bulls will make his poor defense a lot less noticeable. The Bulls team D will cover his ass a lot and that is exactly what he needs. He needs a great defensive team bc he is never going to be a great defender. He also needs a more defined system and players who hold each other accountable. Melo is no leader and thats why a lot of his teams have struggled. On the Bulls, you have Noah and Thibs as the heart and soul. Personnel wise, I dont see it being all that poor a fit. He is going to play with high bball IQ players and guys who are great team players.

[Upgrayedd]

This is crazy. Melo on the Bulls would be a great fit.

[buddha]

This is retarded. Melo doesn't need an entire team of shooters ala LeLayup to pad his field goal percentage. Melo is an iso player who gets the majority of his looks at the high post and can shoot the outside shot well himself. He'd honestly just replace Boozer in the current offense while adding 3 point range opening things up for Derrick Rose when he returns.

[el gringos]

This is crazy. Melo on the Bulls would be a great fit.
For Carmelo though?
How?
Surrounding him with non shooters has been tried.

[ihatetimthomas]

For Carmelo though?
How?
Surrounding him with non shooters has been tried.

Has surrounding him with defenders ever been tried?

[Swaggin916]

Maybe Carmelo can grow up and realize the world doesn't revolve around him and actually fit into a team that with Derrick Rose would be a contender.

[Upgrayedd]

For Carmelo though?
How?
Surrounding him with non shooters has been tried.

What are you talking about? Rose can shoot, Taj can shoot, Butler can shoot. Rose can put up about 20+ PPG when he wants to.

Look at this lineup:

C: Noah
PF: Taj
SF: 'Melo
SG: Butler
PG: Rose

What weakness is there? That team can score, that team can rebound, they can play defense.

[ProfessorMurder]

Why would you want to surround Melo with shooters? He wants to shoot all the time.




He fixes their offense as a go to scorer, and an elite jumpshooter/midrange.

His defense gets covered by Taj/Noah/Buckets/Rose.

The team stays long by not shifting Buckets to the 3.

Bulls get to the finals if everybody is healthy.

[el gringos]

What are you talking about? Rose can shoot, Taj can shoot, Butler can shoot. Rose can put up about 20+ PPG when he wants to.

Look at this lineup:

C: Noah
PF: Taj
SF: 'Melo
SG: Butler
PG: Rose

What weakness is there? That team can score, that team can rebound, they can play defense.
Then we see something different. I see that lineup and assume the floor spacing won't be good and that the majority of Carmelo's offense would need to come off his dribble from the perimiter.

But since we see something different and you have a lot more knowledge on the bulls and their players. You tell me then. What are the bulls weaknesses offensively without Carmelo. (And you can count rose as what he was)


Was there floor spacing issues? Was it lack of playmaking?

[Cocaine80s]

What are you talking about? Rose can shoot, Taj can shoot, Butler can shoot.
Not sure if srs...

[buddha]

lack of putting the ball in the hoop

[aboss4real24]

Has surrounding him with defenders ever been tried?

denver..

[tpols]

Chicago ranked 28th in offense last year.. I dont think even brandon jennings could make their offense worse.

[ihatetimthomas]

denver..

Bulls are a elite defensive team, Nuggets never were. He has never played on a squad with a top tier defense. Nuggets were usually around top 10 area during his time there

[Calabis]

This is retarded. Melo doesn't need an entire team of shooters ala LeLayup to pad his field goal percentage. Melo is an iso player who gets the majority of his looks at the high post and can shoot the outside shot well himself. He'd honestly just replace Boozer in the current offense while adding 3 point range opening things up for Derrick Rose when he returns.
:applause:

I skimmed through first page and this is a damn good post...OP must not play any ball. The Bulls are the one team available where he wouldnt have to sacrifice or change his offense. They are a perfect fit.

[Rameek]

Stand around and watch Melo score thats a good fit?
The Bulls dont have perimeter scoring and once Deng was gone DJ Augustine was the offense.... Geez. ISO ball and Thibs will make the Bulls a grinding team.

[mugiwara]

For Carmelo though?
How?
Surrounding him with non shooters has been tried.


Ok so you have an elite passing big in Jo who excels at passing from the top of the key, this brings out the opposing teams centre and unclogs the lane. Taj gibson, who has been taught wonderfully by big Carlos is now very dependable on his baseline jumpshot. This gives melo every opportunity to get on down on the block and go to work.

Ok as someone who supports the knicks i can understand why you would be worried about the lack of shooting because your team does nothing but jack and run awful offence constantly. The bulls had no creators who can constantly score the basketball last year so consequently Thibs ran many different sets to get easy buckets. the man has built and expertly drilled team that trust him and stick to the plan, whatever it may be. The bulls despite playing at a slow pace are always in the top end of assist because they move the ball, Melo might not have knockdown shooters around him but you have a group that are drilled to make the right play and take the right shots. Rose will torch you if you lay ff him for a second, jo always makes the right play, jimmy is serviceable and does his damage on the other end anyway as does Taj who has developed into an excellent PF.

-quick rant- Taj better ****ing get calls this season, constantly gets hacked to a no call and always picks up tick tai bullshit. he deserves it as he did that 6th man award.

[-Lebron23-]

Plenty of heartbroken girlfriends in this thread :oldlol:

[coin24]

The bulls need melo but yeah I agree it's not the best fit for him personally..

Who knows how rose is going to be when he finally returns and as others have said, they have no other offensive weapons to take the load off him..
If rather see him play for the mavs, surrounded with talent and a great coach, plus an owner willing to spend to win. Unlike the cheap ass bulls..

Otherwise stay in NY and collect the $$..