Breaking: Dario Saric signs w/ Euro team, can't come to NBA for 2 years

[D-Rose]

[QUOTE]@chadfordinsider

[chocolatethunder]

Look for Philly at 10 or Orlando at 12 to maybe stash him away for a couple of years.
He'll drop to 17-20. After that Vazquez fiasco no one is wasting top 10 on someone who may never come over.

[-Lebron23-]

He'll drop to 17-20. After that Vazquez fiasco no one is wasting top 10 on someone who may never come over.
Nah, he is set on going over. He just doesn't think he is ready yet and fears wasting a season or 2 sitting on the bench.

Vazquez was a special case. I knew the guy (played vs him in different tournaments and talked to some of his then teammates) and he always struck me as a very weird guy. I am not going to post any specifics out of respect but I will just say I could easily see him doing something like that (refusing to leave after being drafted) before it happened.

Saric, at least on that regard, is a safe bet really. After all, he is already set to leave his country, it will just be for turkey instead of for the States, but he has the commitment to leave his family to make it as far as his basketball skills can take him. Whether he will become a player worthy of the pick is a whole different issue.

[Fiba basketball]

During the season there were many talks he signed with some of the bigger teams but all were false so I wouldn't belive this yet.

On the othere hand even if this isn't true Saric already said he will stay in Europe for at least 2 more seasons to improve and Efes would probably the best place for that since there he would work with Ivkovic ( first European coach who was offered a place as a HC for a NBA team ) who is considered by many the best coach in Europe and probably the greatest ever and has worked with legendery players such as Kukoc,Petrovic,Danilovic,Divac etc.

[artificial]

His draft stock will go down. This does shows that he is in no rush to be in the NBA, and not every team is that interested in when he'll want to move to the states.

That said, props for doing this now, instead of being an a$$hole and signing elsewhere right after being drafted.

[AKADS]

So the spurs will draft him!

[Rooster]

During the season there were many talks he signed with some of the bigger teams but all were false so I wouldn't belive this yet.

On the othere hand even if this isn't true Saric already said he will stay in Europe for at least 2 more seasons to improve and Efes would probably the best place for that since there he would work with Ivkovic ( first European coach who was offered a place as a HC for a NBA team ) who is considered by many the best coach in Europe and probably the greatest ever and has worked with legendery players such as Kukoc,Petrovic,Danilovic,Divac etc.

Those are Europe version of legendary players:facepalm and not by American standards. But these players have passed the quality control of the NBA. Not sure about Saric. He could be soft just like most of those Euros except the Lithuanians. I'm pretty sure he's staying in Europe because he did not get promise from lottery teams.

[chocolatethunder]

Nah, he is set on going over. He just doesn't think he is ready yet and fears wasting a season or 2 sitting on the bench.

Vazquez was a special case. I knew the guy (played vs him in different tournaments and talked to some of his then teammates) and he always struck me as a very weird guy. I am not going to post any specifics out of respect but I will just say I could easily see him doing something like that (refusing to leave after being drafted) before it happened.

Saric, at least on that regard, is a safe bet really. After all, he is already set to leave his country, it will just be for turkey instead of for the States, but he has the commitment to leave his family to make it as far as his basketball skills can take him. Whether he will become a player worthy of the pick is a whole different issue.
I'm aware that he wants to go over. However, teams will still not waste a 10-12 on him because of Vazquez and how the team will be perceived if something were to go wrong. It is uncommon for a team to pick a Euro in the top 10 who will not be playing in the NBA for at least two years. Picks like that are normally reserved for the later first round and second round.

[BoutPractice]

Those are Europe version of legendary players:facepalm and not by American standards. But these players have passed the quality control of the NBA. Not sure about Saric. He could be soft just like most of those Euros except the Lithuanians. I'm pretty sure he's staying in Europe because he did not get promise from lottery teams.
Petrovic, Kukoc, not legends "by American standards"? Give me a break.

Anyway, this makes sense for Saric. Gets to play for a better team, with more experience under his belt.

[Rooster]

Petrovic, Kukoc, not legends "by American standards"? Give me a break.

Anyway, this makes sense for Saric. Gets to play for a better team, with more experience under his belt.

Really:facepalm what so legandary about Kukoc and Petrovic? If they were Americans, would they be considered legends like Bird or Jerry West?:rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

Those are Europe version of legendary players:facepalm and not by American standards. But these players have passed the quality control of the NBA. Not sure about Saric. He could be soft just like most of those Euros except the Lithuanians. I'm pretty sure he's staying in Europe because he did not get promise from lottery teams.

Rooster's IQ level downgraded to 60.

[-Lebron23-]

I'm aware that he wants to go over. However, teams will still not waste a 10-12 on him because of Vazquez and how the team will be perceived if something were to go wrong. It is uncommon for a team to pick a Euro in the top 10 who will not be playing in the NBA for at least two years. Picks like that are normally reserved for the later first round and second round.
I get what you mean and I don't deny the impact of his decision in his stock, not because of fear of him never actually joining his team but because usually you have similar or better talent (on paper) available on those spots ready to join your team straight away.

This year in particular I personally think there is a dropoff in talent after the top 12 and that's where I see him going. Top 10 not so much, not even if he said he'd play straight away, he is not that good really.

[Euroleague]

I get what you mean and I don't deny the impact of his decision in his stock, not because of fear of him never actually joining his team but because usually you have similar or better talent (on paper) available on those spots ready to join your team straight away.

This year in particular I personally think there is a dropoff in talent after the top 12 and that's where I see him going. Top 10 not so much, not even if he said he'd play straight away, he is not that good really.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

:facepalm :rolleyes:

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

STOP DOING DRUGS

[-Lebron23-]

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

:facepalm :rolleyes:

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

STOP DOING DRUGS
Stop acting like you can find Croatia or even Europe on a map.

[Euroleague]

Stop acting like you can find Croatia or even Europe on a map.

So since gabepizza took a long ban, it looks like you are the new guy on the payroll now. I suggest you ask for a pay raise. The NBA office in New York isn't paying you enough.

Minimium wage isn't enough to live on. Even for retarded people that get their living subsidized by the government.

[chocolatethunder]

I get what you mean and I don't deny the impact of his decision in his stock, not because of fear of him never actually joining his team but because usually you have similar or better talent (on paper) available on those spots ready to join your team straight away.

This year in particular I personally think there is a dropoff in talent after the top 12 and that's where I see him going. Top 10 not so much, not even if he said he'd play straight away, he is not that good really.
To me, this year the biggest drop off is from the top three. Players like Payne, Lavine, Stauskas, McDermott, Harris and a slew of other have been projected anywhere from 7-20. Saric was previously at 10-12 so I suspect that he'll drop to 15-20 because a guy like Payne is only projected at 10-17 because of his age. He's the most NBA ready 4 in the draft.

[-Lebron23-]

So since gabepizza took a long ban, it looks like you are the new guy on the payroll now. I suggest you ask for a pay raise. The NBA office in New York isn't paying you enough.

Minimium wage isn't enough to live on. Even for retarded people that get their living subsidized by the government.
I am from and live in Europe. I always defend the quality of Euroleague and European leagues so don't make it an Euroleague vs NBA issue. You just troll to the point it annoys everybody, regardless of their opinion.

Not sure how my opinion of Saric not being as good as most people think has anything to do with that. I suppose you were an EL hater back when you were talking shit about Rubio or Teletovic then...

[Euroleague]

I am from and live in Europe. I always defend the quality of Euroleague and European leagues so don't make it an Euroleague vs NBA issue. You just troll to the point it annoys everybody, regardless of their opinion.

Not sure how my opinion of Saric not being as good as most people think has anything to do with that. I suppose you were an EL hater back when you were talking shit about Rubio or Teletovic then...

First of all, I never talked shit about them, I stated facts. And every single fact I stated about them came true.

You are a moron. Another true fact.

"Saric isn't that good".....

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

WTF are you smoking?

[-Lebron23-]

First of all, I never talked shit, about them, I stated facts. And every single fact I stated came true.

You are a moron. Another true fact.
You called them scrubs, you said Rubio was one of the worst players in the history of Euroleague, you also said Teletovic was basically stupid, that's talking sh

[kaktus14]

I am from and live in Europe. I always defend the quality of Euroleague and European leagues so don't make it an Euroleague vs NBA issue. You just troll to the point it annoys everybody, regardless of their opinion.

Not sure how my opinion of Saric not being as good as most people think has anything to do with that. I suppose you were an EL hater back when you were talking shit about Rubio or Teletovic then...
He is that good,what he did this year with Cibona for kid of that age is remarkable,team was dog shit until they got rid off their best/highest paying players and promoted Saric to first option and he took bunch of kids and washed up players to Adriatic title against 3 EL level teams, around New year no one gave them any chance to get to Final Four, and then to win it all,with Saric being their by far best player is pretty damn good.

He is already better then most of this draft class not counting top dogs, if he can get his shooting to level up then what it is now he will be future borderline All Star.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=-Lebron23-]You called them scrubs, you said Rubio was one of the worst players in the history of Euroleague, you also said Teletovic was basically stupid, that's talking sh

[-Lebron23-]

He is that good,what he did this year with Cibona for kid of that age is remarkable,team was dog shit until they got rid off their best/highest paying players and promoted Saric to first option and he took bunch of kids and washed up players to Adriatic title against 3 EL level teams, around New year no one gave them any chance to get to Final Four, and then to win it all,with Saric being their by far best player is pretty damn good.

He is already better then most of this draft class not counting top dogs, if he can get his shooting to level up then what it is now he will be future borderline All Star.
See? That's exactly what I'm saying. He is not a top prospect. 10-15 is where he would have gone anyway so his decision will barely impact his stock, might drop 5-6 spots maybe? It's not like he was going to be top 5 and he's now dropping to a late 1st IMO

[kaktus14]

Also it was known fact that he wasnt coming over to NBA in next couple of years, he said that on multiple occasions, so no breaking news here,it was just question where he will end up in Europe.

[-Lebron23-]

That's stating fact. Rubio was one of the worst players in Euroleague ever. Teletovic has the IQ of a rock, although he is clearly is smarter than you.
:roll:

[BoutPractice]

To me, this year the biggest drop off is from the top three. Players like Payne, Lavine, Stauskas, McDermott, Harris and a slew of other have been projected anywhere from 7-20. Saric was previously at 10-12 so I suspect that he'll drop to 15-20 because a guy like Payne is only projected at 10-17 because of his age. He's the most NBA ready 4 in the draft.

I'm not sure. To me regardless of where they're projected to be drafted the draft has a real "top 10" that could produce anything from 4 to 8 all-stars. Players from the consensus "top 3" may or may not be part of that group, although they certainly have high ceilings.

[ballinhun8]

If he Bulls don't trade one of their picks in an Afflalo or Melo type deal I could see them using one of their picks on Dario. They wouldn't have to pay him and still attain a lottery type talent in the draft.

Also the Suns and Celtics have multiple picks within that 15-20 range. But to me the Celtics need players now but the Suns could afford to use one of their picks on him so I see them as a threat.

[GOATbrook]

He is already better then most of this draft class not counting top dogs, if he can get his shooting to level up then what it is now he will be future borderline All Star.
He is best player in his draft class, that's for sure. He DOMINATED every tournament he played as a starter or 1st option. Just because he is EUROPEAN he isn't projected that well. If he falls to late 1st pick, I just hope OKC picks him up.

[Euroleague]

He is best player in his draft class, that's for sure. He DOMINATED every tournament he played as a starter or 1st option. Just because he is EUROPEAN he isn't projected that well. If he falls to late 1st pick, I just hope OKC picks him up.

The NBA bias and racism never ends. If he was American, they would be drooling all over him, like nothing ever imagined.

Instead it's, "he's too slow", "he's too weak", "he's too soft", "he's not athletic enough", "he's not strong enough", blah blah blah.

If he was American and/or black, ESPN would be cumming all over themselves every time they heard his name.

[GOATbrook]

The NBA bias and racism never ends. If he was American, they would be drooling all over him like nothing ever imagined.

Instead it's "he's too slow", "he's too weak", "he's too soft", "he's not athletic enough", "he's not strong enough", blah blah blah.

If he was American, ESPN would be cumming all over themselves every time they heard his name.
And then kid like Zach Lavine is projected TOP 10 PICK and all he can do is jump high. :roll:

[Euroleague]

And then kid like Zach Lavine is projected TOP 10 PICK and all he can do is jump high. :roll:

Remember, they asked Giannis Antetokounmpo,

"So, how will things be when you lead Greece's national team this summer at the World Cup"?

And he said,

"I don't know, they have to select me for the team still."

Then they said,

"What do you mean, how the hell can they not select you for the team? You are the best Greek basketball player of all time."

[ottooooooo]

gonna be just another big eurobust

[BoutPractice]

The NBA bias and racism never ends. If he was American they would be drolling all over him like nothing ever imagined.

Instead it's "he's too slow", "he's too weak", "he's too soft", "he's not athletic enough", "he's not strong enough", blah blah blah.

If he was American, ESPN would be cumming all over themselves every time they heard his name.

Well, America has kind of a similar player right now in Kyle Anderson (who in my opinion, is one of the best players from the entire draft). Like Daric they underrate him for all the reasons you just listed, even though "elite basketball skills" should be a huge part of what we call "potential".

Although from what I've seen, while Saric is a fantastic passer, Kyle Anderson actually still plays point guard: Phoenix even worked him out at PG and apparently he killed it. So it's a bit of a Magic-Bird situation (everything, of course, being kept in proportion, I'm not saying they're as good as those two, otherwise you guys would know), where you have two tall, multitalented players with great passing skills, but one prefers to play point guard whereas the other is more of a forward.

[chocolatethunder]

I'm not sure. To me regardless of where they're projected to be drafted the draft has a real "top 10" that could produce anything from 4 to 8 all-stars. Players from the consensus "top 3" may or may not be part of that group, although they certainly have high ceilings.
Just out of curiosity, who are your 4-8 potential all stars?

[Euroleague]

Well, America has kind of a similar player right now in Kyle Anderson (who in my opinion, is one of the best players from the entire draft). Like Daric they underrate him for all the reasons you just listed, even though "elite basketball skills" should be a huge part of what we call "potential".

Although from what I've seen, while Saric is a fantastic passer, Kyle Anderson actually still plays point guard: Phoenix even worked him out at PG and apparently he killed it. So it's a bit of a Magic-Bird situation (everything, of course, being kept in proportion, I'm not saying they're as good as those two, otherwise you guys would know), where you have two tall, multitalented players with great passing skills, but one prefers to play point guard whereas the other is more of a forward.

What I mean more is just the lies US sports media tells. By comparison. Not so much choosing to underrate a guy like Anderson because they would rather covet athletes like Wiggins more, but just the lies.

I think it's just down to flat out racism. I mean Wiggins is Canadian and Thanasis is Greek and they see none of this stuff, but they are black and athletic so they fit all the racist stuff NBA sees.

I mean that Saric can't possibly be anything but slow, weak, a stiff, not strong enough, blah blah blah according to NBA, US sports media, NBA scouts, etc. because he's white, and ESPECIALLY European.

Over and over they keep saying, "he's weak".........

I watch this guy play and keep asking how the hell is he weak? For a guy that would be like an NCAA sophomore he sure as hell is NOT "weak".

But they keep saying, "he is weak", "too weak for the NBA". Well, then almost every single player in the draft is too weak for the NBA. But oddly enough, they don't say that about the other players, at least most of them anyway.

They certainly don't say it about athletic black players that MOST OF THEM are MUCH WEAKER than Saric.

It just is the same typical racist bullshit that year after year comes from the NBA and US sports media as it is directed to European players. It never ends.

It's always so and so player in Europe is,

"too weak for the NBA"

"too soft for the NBA"

"not athletic enough for the NBA"

"not quick enough for the NBA"

"not strong enough for the NBA"

"Not fast enough for the NBA"

blah blah blah

It's still the SAME RACIST BULLSHIT said in this forum every time someone says Spanoulis can't play in the NBA - "not athletic enough", "not quick enough", when they give that as the "reason why he did not play on the Rockets".

And other such examples. Pablo Prigioni (who literally is about 1/5 as athletic as Spanoulis) playing in the NBA of course proves that to be total bullshit, but nope, the racist crap talking points just endlessly continue.

And every single year at the time of the draft, we have to listen to this SAME racist bullshit.

"How will their game translate" etc. We have to read this bullshit from Givony and Chad Ford, listen to it at the draft from Fran Fraschilla, and it's always just complete racist bullshit.

Because a guy is WHITE, and especially they multiply it more if he's from Europe, he must be "too weak" or whatever, to play in the NBA.

:facepalm

[Dr.J4ever]

Just out of curiosity, who are your 4-8 potential all stars?
Everyday, I'm getting more and more concerned about the Sixers choices. This Embiid thing has really screwed up our choices.We may have to go with Exum now at 3, and then trade MCW for another draft pick. I agree with the poster, there could be 4-8 potential all stars in the top 10. Emiid, Exum, Wiggins, Parker are only 4 of them. Vonleh is being discussed a lot right now too.

Saric signing with another team is more bad news. We always knew it was possible, but if the Sixers drafted him, it was always possible for him to come over already and get the assured playing time under Brett Brown, who's a Spurs disciple anyway.

[Oly BC]

And then kid like Zach Lavine is projected TOP 10 PICK and all he can do is jump high. :roll:
That the scouting in the US is 99% done with a measuring tape is just... odd.

[wally_world]

I could see Phoenix taking him. Too many picks this draft, not enough playing spots. And our cap wont take a hit and we can throw at money at FA.