Lebron haters, would you become a fan of Lebron if he took max money on his next deal

[MavsSuperFan]

I have been thinking about it, and I will be a fan of Lebron if he takes the maximum possible amount of money no matter where he goes or stays.

Because this will show that he is ready to win with minimal help, or that he forces other stars to accommodate him.

I am hoping it happens, want to be a fan of Lebron again. No more taking discounts for the best player in the league

[KyrieTheFuture]

Salary is such a dumb thing to hate a player for.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

How do you feel about Tim Duncan, OP? How about Mavs legend Dirk Nowitzki?

I've literally never seen fans hate on a player for taking a paycut before. It's ****ing absurd.

[MavsSuperFan]

Salary is such a dumb thing to hate a player for.
By taking less he is rigging the league and reducing his competition.

It shows that he lack the confidence to believe that he alone can win a championship, and that he needs a stacked team.

Lebron is in his prime. If he were older it would be different, but in his prime lebron should be getting paid as much as possible

[Akrazotile]

Far more important things than Bran's salary to worry bout in dis life.

[KyrieTheFuture]

By taking less he is rigging the league and reducing his competition.

It shows that he lack the confidence to believe that he alone can win a championship, and that he needs a stacked team.

Lebron is in his prime. If he were older it would be different, but in his prime lebron should be getting paid as much as possible
See round mound for a real response. But what is the point in hating LeBron or Kobe for their salaries?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

IIRC Duncan took a paycut in his prime.

[Inactive]

No, they wouldn't. No one really cares about his salary. It's just a way for them to rationalize their hatred. They would move on to something else.

[MavsSuperFan]

How do you feel about Tim Duncan, OP? How about Mavs legend Dirk Nowitzki?

I've literally never seen fans hate on a player for taking a paycut before. It's ****ing absurd.
Dirk is old now, he demanded the best salary possible during his prime years.

Season Team Lg Salary
1998-99 Dallas Mavericks NBA $1,472,640
1999-00 Dallas Mavericks NBA $1,583,040
2000-01 Dallas Mavericks NBA $1,693,560
2001-02 Dallas Mavericks NBA $2,157,595
2002-03 Dallas Mavericks NBA $10,067,750
2003-04 Dallas Mavericks NBA $11,326,219
2004-05 Dallas Mavericks NBA $12,584,688
2005-06 Dallas Mavericks NBA $13,843,156
2006-07 Dallas Mavericks NBA $15,101,625
2007-08 Dallas Mavericks NBA $16,360,094
2008-09 Dallas Mavericks NBA $18,077,904
2009-10 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,795,714
2010-11 Dallas Mavericks NBA $17,278,618
2011-12 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,092,873
2012-13 Dallas Mavericks NBA $20,907,128
2013-14 Dallas Mavericks NBA $22,721,381
Career (may be incomplete) $204,063,985

my point is taking less money is an admission that you need a stacked team to win. Would not hold it against lebron if he werent in his prime

[r0drig0lac]

IIRC Duncan took a paycut in his prime.
and seems to be opting out of the current contract to sign another two years at a lower value (probably to re-sign mills and diaw)

[hawke812]

I am not a Lebron hater, but not a fan either. I just think he is better than MJ. But so are a lot of other players.

[MavsSuperFan]

How do you feel about Tim Duncan, OP? How about Mavs legend Dirk Nowitzki?

I've literally never seen fans hate on a player for taking a paycut before. It's ****ing absurd.
He is great, but I would think better of him had he won with less help.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dirk is old now, he demanded the best salary possible during his prime years.

Season Team Lg Salary
1998-99 Dallas Mavericks NBA $1,472,640
1999-00 Dallas Mavericks NBA $1,583,040
2000-01 Dallas Mavericks NBA $1,693,560
2001-02 Dallas Mavericks NBA $2,157,595
2002-03 Dallas Mavericks NBA $10,067,750
2003-04 Dallas Mavericks NBA $11,326,219
2004-05 Dallas Mavericks NBA $12,584,688
2005-06 Dallas Mavericks NBA $13,843,156
2006-07 Dallas Mavericks NBA $15,101,625
2007-08 Dallas Mavericks NBA $16,360,094
2008-09 Dallas Mavericks NBA $18,077,904
2009-10 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,795,714
2010-11 Dallas Mavericks NBA $17,278,618
2011-12 Dallas Mavericks NBA $19,092,873
2012-13 Dallas Mavericks NBA $20,907,128
2013-14 Dallas Mavericks NBA $22,721,381
Career (may be incomplete) $204,063,985

my point is taking less money is an admission that you need a stacked team to win.

in 01-02 Dirk signed a 6 year 90 million dollar and in 09-10 a 4 year 80 million dollar contract. By comparison KG in '98 signed a 6 year 126 mil contract. Guess that means we should respect KG more than Dirk...

[navy]

Such a stupid thread. :oldlol:

[hawke812]

He is great, but I would think better of him had he won with less help.

Same could be said of overrated MJ.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He is great, but I would think better of him had he won with less help.
He didn't have some sort of all time great help...

In 2012 he had wade put up 23/5/4 and Bosh 14/8 while missing a chunk of the playoffs. Basically similar to '95 Drexler putting 21/7/5 and Horry 13/7/4 but we don't act like Hakeem had some super stacked team.

In 2013 we have 16/5/5 Wade and 12/7 Bosh... Is this supposed to be some ATG help?

[MavsSuperFan]

in 01-02 Dirk signed a 6 year 90 million dollar and in 09-10 a 4 year 80 million dollar contract. By comparison KG in '98 signed a 6 year 126 mil contract. Guess that means we should respect KG more than Dirk...
It admittedly shows KG's confidence in his own abilities.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It admittedly shows KG's confidence in his own abilities.
And how'd that work out for him?

[navy]

He is great, but I would think better of him had he won with less help.
How is old Wade and Bosh more help than

Magic and Kareem
Bird Mchale Parish
Kobe and Shaq
Shaq and Wade
Jordan Pippen Rodman
Jordan Pippen Grant

:oldlol:

[navy]

And how'd that work out for him?
:lol

[Byobob]

OP wants Lebron to win a championship with scrub teammates, 2 hours of sleep before game day with his left hand tied around his back in the first 2 quarters using a larger ball wearing a tight long sleeves.

[MavsSuperFan]

He didn't have some sort of all time great help...

In 2012 he had wade put up 23/5/4 and Bosh 14/8 while missing a chunk of the playoffs. Basically similar to '95 Drexler putting 21/7/5 and Horry 13/7/4 but we don't act like Hakeem had some super stacked team.

In 2013 we have 16/5/5 Wade and 12/7 Bosh... Is this supposed to be some ATG help?
Overall point: taking less money allows your team to acquire more talent and become more stacked.

It also diminishes your competition around the league.

I think that makes wins and accomplishments less impressive when compared to doing the same on a less talented team against better competition.

Eg. Had lebron won with the cavs it would have been more impressive than winning with HoF talent like wade, bosh, allen.

[MavsSuperFan]

And how'd that work out for him?
not well, but i respect that he didnt ring chase (until was older) and try to rig the league

[navy]

Eg. Had lebron won with the cavs it would have been more impressive than winning with HoF talent like wade, bosh, allen.
By whose standard?

People spam ring counts all the time. Winning is winning. Not a single person in the top 10 played without HOF help. Most of them even had teammates win multiple FMVPs.

[KyrieTheFuture]

You have absolutely no argument for this just your own ridiculous opinion

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Overall point: taking less money allows your team to acquire more talent and become more stacked.

It also diminishes your competition around the league.

I think that makes wins and accomplishments less impressive when compared to do the same on a less talented team against better competition.

Eg. Had lebron won with the cavs it would have been more impressive than winning with HoF talent like wade, bosh, allen.

Was he supposed to win with Mo Williams as his second best offensive player? I can't think of a worse 2nd option on a championship team.

And listing Ray Allen under the umbrella of "HoF talent" shows how biased you are. It's like me saying Kobe sucks because he could barely make the playoffs with HoF talent Nash, Howard, Pau and DPOY Ron Artest :bowdown:.

And LeBron didn't even take that significant of a paycut. He took like 2 mil less per season than what he could've gotten iirc.

[navy]

Garnett would be alot higher on the list if he had more respectable teams his entire career despite being the exact same individual.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

not well, but i respect that he didnt ring chase (until was older) and try to rig the league
So then you also don't respect Dirk and Duncan? What about Shaq who took a paycut before '06? or MJ who iirc took a paycut when he came back in '95?

[MavsSuperFan]

So then you also don't respect Dirk and Duncan?
I respect dirk, he got paid what he was worth

I also respect duncan, but would respect him more had he won the same amount will demanding max money.

Neither of them ring chased, and tried to rig the league in their primes.
Eg. wade, lebron and bosh conspiring the take less money and play together

[PJR]

This is just beyond stupid. But that's par for the course on here.

[MavsSuperFan]

You have absolutely no argument for this just your own ridiculous opinion
dats your opinion brah

I just hope lebron takes max money, want to be a fan of his again

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I respect dirk, he got paid what he was worth

I also respect duncan, but would respect him more had he won the same amount will demanding max money.

Neither of them ring chased, and tried to rig the league in their primes.
Eg. wade, lebron and bosh conspiring the take less money and play together
Dirk in his prime is pretty much on par with KG who made a hell of a lot more money. And once again they didn't even take significant paycuts. You're acting as if they took 5 mil each.

[MavsSuperFan]

Dirk in his prime is pretty much on par with KG who made a hell of a lot more money. And once again they didn't even take significant paycuts. You're acting as if they took 5 mil each.
Props to KG for having that self confidence and negotiating moxie

The key isnt how much of a cut lebron, wade and bosh took, its that they made the choice to collude to diminish the league and (their attempt to) make winning easy. It the collusion that bothered me more than anything else.

I would have still been a fan of lebron had he forced wade and bosh to take massive pay cuts and gotten his though

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Props to KG for having that self confidence and negotiating moxie

The key isnt how much of a cut lebron, wade and bosh took, its that they made the choice to collude to diminish the league and (their attempt to) make winning easy. It the collusion that bothered me more than anything else.
Except when I point out that their team really isn't that stacked. Certainly not on the level of 90s bulls or 80s Lakers/Celtics.

[navy]

I would have still been a fan of lebron had he forced wade and bosh to take massive pay cuts and gotten his though
:facepalm

[wally_world]

No question he should be taking max money in the prime of his career. Not a reason for me to "like him"

[Dresta]

OP displays his lack of intelligence once again.

[r15mohd]

takes a pay-cut and still the 3rd highest paid athlete in the world

OP is full of b/s!


Link: http://www.forbes.com/profile/lebron-james/

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I have been thinking about it, and I will be a fan of Lebron if he takes the maximum possible amount of money no matter where he goes or stays.

Because this will show that he is ready to win with minimal help, or that he forces other stars to accommodate him.

I am hoping it happens, want to be a fan of Lebron again. No more taking discounts for the best player in the league

Wouldn't help him at all. His face gives me nightmares, how can God be so cruel to one's hairline. I hate him because I like my hair and am scared to lose it at the same rate :( . Just kidding, the hate for LeBron will never die :banana: because of his past antics.

[MavsSuperFan]

Except when I point out that their team really isn't that stacked. Certainly not on the level of 90s bulls or 80s Lakers/Celtics.
The result to me is not as important as the intention.

Eg I have never agreed that attempted murder should be punished less than murder.

If someone plans to murder another person, and simply fails I have never agreed that the punishment should be less than if he had succeeded.

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were attempting to destroy the competitive landscape of the NBA.

in 2011 if you made a top 5 list both lebron and wade would have been on it. Bosh was at worst a top 15 player.

They attempted to destroy the competitive balance of the NBA by collusion, they failed to do so because in year 1 lebron choked and later wade declined tremendously

[r15mohd]

The result to me is not as important as the intention.

Eg I have never agreed that attempted murder should be punished less than murder.

If someone plans to murder another person, and simply fails I have never agreed that the punishment should be less than if he had succeeded.

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were attempting to destroy the competitive landscape of the NBA.

in 2011 if you made a top 5 list both lebron and wade would have been on it. Bosh was at worst a top 15 player.

They attempted to destroy the competitive balance of the NBA by collusion, they failed to do so because in year 1 lebron choked and later wade declined tremendously


NBA has been at some of the most all-time high ratings, so it's actually been rewarding for the NBA...and as far as "failed", 4 -finals in 4-years and 2 titles. EVERY team not named Miami Heat, and this includes the current 2014 Spurs, would trade for these past 4 years with them

again, you're full of B/S! :facepalm

PS-there wasn't a collusion

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The result to me is not as important as the intention.

Eg I have never agreed that attempted murder should be punished less than murder.

If someone plans to murder another person, and simply fails I have never agreed that the punishment should be less than if he had succeeded.

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were attempting to destroy the competitive landscape of the NBA.

in 2011 if you made a top 5 list both lebron and wade would have been on it. Bosh was at worst a top 15 player.

They attempted to destroy the competitive balance of the NBA by collusion, they failed to do so because in year 1 lebron choked and later wade declined tremendously

Except you're pretending that this is something new and that players haven't tried to form super teams in the past.

IIRC, Magic Johnson said he wouldn't have declared for the draft if the LAL with reigning MVP Kareem Abdul Jabbar weren't the team with the 1st overall pick. So in essence he is guilty of collusion and destroying competitive balance as well. Do you hate Magic? Do you not respect him? What about Kobe 1st forcing himself on to the Lakers and then requesting a trade when they sucked and then refusing a trade because he thought the bulls were giving up too much to get him.

[SpecialQue]

What kind of shit is this? Who cares? Every player should take the max if they're bringing cash to their franchise. Do any of you dumb pricks understand how businesses work? How money is actually made in the real world? I swear to god there are a ton of retards on this forum. I'm fvcking tired of all you stupid assholes. Fvck all y'all.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Except you're pretending that this is something new and that players haven't tried to form super teams in the past.

IIRC, Magic Johnson said he wouldn't have declared for the draft if the LAL with reigning MVP Kareem Abdul Jabbar weren't the team with the 1st overall pick. So in essence he is guilty of collusion and destroying competitive balance as well. Do you hate Magic? Do you not respect him? What about Kobe 1st forcing himself on to the Lakers and then requesting a trade when they sucked and then refusing a trade because he thought the bulls were giving up too much to get him.

So winning a NCAA championship had nothing to do with Magic declaring?

You really have to laugh at the idea of Kobe forcing a trade from the Hornets, At the time, pretty much everyone thought the Hornets had won the deal. They got one of the best centers in the league for a 13th pick, offer that deal to any team in the league, which party says no?


As for the Chicago thing, first time I ever heard someone get shit for staying with their team.

[MavsSuperFan]

NBA has been at some of the most all-time high ratings, so it's actually been rewarding for the NBA...and as far as "failed", 4 -finals in 4-years and 2 titles. EVERY team not named Miami Heat, and this includes the current 2014 Spurs, would trade for these past 4 years with them

again, you're full of B/S! :facepalm

PS-there wasn't a collusion
Why you talking about ratings? Lebron stans like you would watch him play against a high school all star team

Heat failed to do what they wanted to do. not 5, not 6, not 7, ...

Heat reached 4 finals, because the east is incredibly weak and lebron is a great player.

But they failed to become an unmatched juggernaut and dominate the league. Lebron, Wade and Bosh wanted to make winning easy. They failed at that.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

So winning a NCAA championship had nothing to do with Magic declaring?

You really have to laugh at the idea of Kobe forcing a trade from the Hornets, At the time, pretty much everyone thought the Hornets had won the deal. They got one of the best centers in the league for a 13th pick, offer that deal to any team in the league, which party says no?


As for the Chicago thing, first time I ever heard someone get shit for staying with their team.
Im not giving him shit for it at all. Im making the opposite point. That almost every player tries to put himself in the best position to win. And pointing out the ops hypocrisy.

And yes magic actually explicitly said that he wouldve stayed if the Bulls had the pick iirc.

[MavsSuperFan]

What kind of shit is this? Who cares? Every player should take the max if they're bringing cash to their franchise. Do any of you dumb pricks understand how businesses work? How money is actually made in the real world? I swear to god there are a ton of retards on this forum. I'm fvcking tired of all you stupid assholes. Fvck all y'all.
I am not complaining about players taking the max

I'm not even talking about making money.

Lebron makes more off the court anyways.

I want lebron to take the max because that will limit the amount of help he can put around him. It would make his wins more impressive

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I am not complaining about players taking the max

I'm not even talking about making money.

Lebron makes more off the court anyways.

I want lebron to take the max because that will limit the amount of help he can put around him. It would make his wins more impressive

Except his teams aren't particularly stacked

[MavsSuperFan]

Except you're pretending that this is something new and that players haven't tried to form super teams in the past.

IIRC, Magic Johnson said he wouldn't have declared for the draft if the LAL with reigning MVP Kareem Abdul Jabbar weren't the team with the 1st overall pick. So in essence he is guilty of collusion and destroying competitive balance as well. Do you hate Magic? Do you not respect him? What about Kobe 1st forcing himself on to the Lakers and then requesting a trade when they sucked and then refusing a trade because he thought the bulls were giving up too much to get him.
Magic's thing was before my time, but cant compare 2 guys entering the league to an mvp level player in the league

[MavsSuperFan]

Except his teams aren't particularly stacked
Are you denying his intention wasnt to collude with wade and bosh to form an extremely stacked team that would win easily?
Why is it better that he failed at accomplishing his intention of removing the competitive balance of the NBA?

Would you really want to watch lebron beat up on rec league teams?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Are you denying his intention wasnt to collude with wade and bosh to form an extremely stacked team that would win easily?
Why is it better that he failed at accomplishing his intention of removing the competitive balance of the NBA?

Would you really want to watch lebron beat up on rec league teams?

It doesn't matter. But, you're whole argument/complaint is based around the fact that LeBron took less than max (as did MJ, Shaq, Dirk, Duncan etc...) which allowed the Heat to form an unnaturally good team so he could win easily, but that really isn't reality. The Heat are a good team but they aren't stacked beyond belief or anything.

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are making 20 mill each but the latter aren't even playing like they deserve 20 mil (Wade did in 2012, and most of 2013). So if you give LeBron 22 mill (or whatever the max is) and Bosh like 18 mill (closer to what he actually deserves) they still have the same team with the same cap # and no one is being underpaid. You're whole argument makes no sense.

[r15mohd]

What kind of shit is this? Who cares? Every player should take the max if they're bringing cash to their franchise. Do any of you dumb pricks understand how businesses work? How money is actually made in the real world? I swear to god there are a ton of retards on this forum. I'm fvcking tired of all you stupid assholes. Fvck all y'all.


I don't think you understand business :facepalm

source me any successful businessman who wouldn't pitch the idea of negotiated contracts to avoid penalty and retain greater profits with winning. to think a businessman would rather overpay to lessen his personal profits, and/or boards profits, with the same WINNING result is "stupid" or "retarded"

[KyrieTheFuture]

Bulls, Lakers and Heat fans are all combining to call you retarded. You've done the impossible and gotten all the stans on the same side. Your stupidity is unprecedented be proud.

[Kblaze8855]

No matter how low the bar is set people find a way under...

[livinglegend]

http://oi61.tinypic.com/6jk4xt.jpg

[tobethdope]

i dont agree with op, but he has a point at least in theory...imagine an offseason with several franchise players as FA

[MavsSuperFan]

Will be a fan of lebron no matter what if he takes a the most money possible.

No more of this taking pay cuts because he needs more help for the best player in the world. I want lebron to take a max contract, because it would force him to carry a team.

GOATs in their prime should not be taking pay cuts

[MavsSuperFan]

Bulls, Lakers and Heat fans are all combining to call you retarded. You've done the impossible and gotten all the stans on the same side. Your stupidity is unprecedented be proud.
The fact that a lot of people believe something is not evidence that belief is correct. Are the type of person that needs validation from others that badly?

Eg. At one time everyone in ancient greece believe in zeus. Are you going to claim that was a correct belief?

Anyways, just to be clear i dont care how much lebron makes.

I want lebron to take a max contract so that he will have limited help.
Thats all.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I am not a Lebron hater, but not a fan either. I just think he is better than MJ. But so are a lot of other players.

Does this list include players who couldn't dribble with their left hand?

[dubeta]

The problem with this question is that Lebron can take the max as long as he is in a stable environment that doesnt constantly change through big free agent signings.

Kobe took the max because Lakers could go over the cap due to having Kobe's bird rights, plus they already had their pieces such as Gasol. So they could go over the cap

In Miami's case, since they keep building from free agency, they need cap space to get free agents and thus they cannot give LeBron the max and go over the cap threshold

So anytime people bring up how Kobe got the max, remember Lakers build through TRADES not free agency, meaning they could go over the cap as they are not signing big name players, but exchanging them (Kwame for Pau)

So if LeBron was in a situation like current Cavs, which already have the parts and do not need to build through free agency, then he can go for the max as they already have the players, so they can go over the cap

With Miami, since they have a declining Wade, they need to build through free agency and to do that you need to be under the cap.

[MavsSuperFan]

The problem with this question is that Lebron can take the max as long as he is in a stable environment that doesnt constantly change through big free agent signings.

Kobe took the max because Lakers could go over the cap due to having Kobe's bird rights, plus they already had their pieces such as Gasol. So they could go over the cap

In Miami's case, since they keep building from free agency, they need cap space to get free agents and thus they cannot give LeBron the max and go over the cap threshold

So anytime people bring up how Kobe got the max, remember Lakers build through TRADES not free agency, meaning they could go over the cap as they are not signing big name players, but exchanging them (Kwame for Pau)

So if LeBron was in a situation like current Cavs, which already have the parts and do not need to build through free agency, then he can go for the max as they already have the players, so they can go over the cap

With Miami, since they have a declining Wade, they need to build through free agency and to do that you need to be under the cap.

To be honest I just want lebron to take the max because to me that will signal that he isnt trying to take the easy route.

The fact that wade declined so much that lebron didnt really have that much help, doesnt change the fact that lebron intended to destroy the competitive balance of the league.

If someone tries to kill you, do you think better of them just because they failed?

[dubeta]

To be honest I just want lebron to take the max because to me that will signal that he isnt trying to take the easy route.

The fact that wade declined so much that lebron didnt really have that much help, doesnt change the fact that lebron intended to destroy the competitive balance of the league.

If someone tries to kill you, do you think better of them just because they failed?

So the 2010-2012 Celtics, OKC, Spurs, Pacers, Clippers arent comparatively stacked? People are acting like the Heat were winning 70+ games and getting a free pass to the finals.