Welcome to the big 4 in Cleveland

[Cocaine80s]

Irving
Wiggins
Melo
Lebron

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[jzek]

Cavs fan since '14

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Replace Melo with Oden.

Kyrie/Wiggins/LeBron/Bennett/Oden

:lebronamazed:

[Cocaine80s]

Cavs fan since '14
Cavs fan since 2003 :rockon:

[Im so nba'd out]

Irving
Wiggins
Melo
Lebron

:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:
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in before Irving and Melo regress to role players and Lebron stans claim he doesn't have enough help.

[oh the horror]

in before Irving and Melo regress to role players and Lebron stans claim he doesn't have enough help.



This.

[QuebecBaller]

Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson

http://daaca.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/team-canada-logo-300x165.jpg

[navy]

in before Irving and Melo regress to role players and Lebron stans claim he doesn't have enough help.
If they actually regress to role players then it will be true.

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If they actually regress to role players then it will be true.

Unless there's a reason why they regress, like say a new player comes in who requires a certain kind of game style for them to be effective which people have speculated has caused stars to regress on other teams he's played on in the past.

[navy]

Unless there's a reason why they regress, like say a new player comes in who requires a certain kind of game style for them to be effective which people have speculated has caused stars to regress on other teams he's played on in the past.
Or you know they get older and/or injured. The real reason any star player regresses.

[Smook A.]

http://i.imgur.com/OgtXvbX.jpg

[Black and White]

Or you know they get older and/or injured. The real reason any star player regresses.

Thats not applicable to Irving or Wiggins, anyway, inb4 LeBron stans bash that supporting cast too :oldlol:

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Irving
Wiggins
Melo
Lebron

:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:
http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/colorado-front-range/811244d1372270525-yield-downhill-its-cool-its-courteous-see-shit-stop-.jpg

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Thats not applicable to Irving or Wiggins, anyway, inb4 LeBron stans bash that supporting cast too :oldlol:

Or Bosh
Or Melo if he suddenly becomes a spot up shooter to clear the paint

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm against doing this, but for the sake of conversation, Dion Waiters would be an incredible piece off the bench with that starting lineup. He is still improving, yet was second in the league in bench scoring last year before being reinserted back into the starting five. He's still just 22.

[navy]

Thats not applicable to Irving or Wiggins, anyway, inb4 LeBron stans bash that supporting cast too :oldlol:
Which is why you only bolded the first half of my post. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Or Bosh
Or Melo if he suddenly becomes a spot up shooter to clear the paint

Oh you didn't know? Well according to bran stans big men decline in their late 20s early 30s.

[Black and White]

Which is why you only bolded the first half of my post. :oldlol:

Why the hell are you talking about injuries? Irving and Wiggins are young, there is no reason to be coming up with excuses already

[navy]

Or Bosh
Or Melo if he suddenly becomes a spot up shooter to clear the paint

To be honest, Catching and shooting is exactly what Melo needs to become.

[Black and White]

To be honest, Catching and shooting is exactly what Melo needs to become.

Wrong, yes he needs to play off ball, but you are an idiot if you suggest a spot up shooter is worth max dollars.

[navy]

Why the hell are you talking about injuries? Irving and Wiggins are young, there is no reason to be coming up with excuses already
Excues for a fake team? Nice try.

I said if these players declined it would be because of age or injuries. And you know damn well that it is true.

[Black and White]

Excues for a fake team? Nice try.

I said if these players declined it would be because of age or injuries. And you know damn well that it is true.

Right, so there is no chance of Irving and Melos games regressing a little if you bring a ball dominant player into the mix?

[navy]

Wrong, yes he needs to play off ball, but you are an idiot if you suggest a spot up shooter is worth max dollars.

I never said he needed to do it exclusively. But he needs to become a catch and shoot player if he ever wants to win a ring. It is his greatest strength.

[navy]

Right, so there is no chance of Irving and Melos games regressing a little if you bring a ball dominant player into the mix?

You mean will they score less points and get less assist? Sure. But their efficiency should go through the roof. Hell, Now they would actually have capable players to pass the ball to as well.

[Black and White]

I never said he needed to do it exclusively. But he needs to become a catch and shoot player if he ever wants to win a ring. It is his greatest strength.

:coleman:


To be honest, Catching and shooting is exactly what Melo needs to become.

Also, I don't think you have watched Melo play much have you?

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I never said he needed to do it exclusively. But he needs to become a catch and shoot player if he ever wants to win a ring. It is his greatest strength.

He needs to handle the ball less but he still needs to operate in the paint. I don't buy into the argument lebron casued bosh to turn into a spot up shooter as I believe that's more on the coach but my argument is people can't go claiming someone has no help and other star players on their team are terrible for doing a role that they've been asked to do. If Irving and Melo suddenly started shooting 30% from the field and giving up 10 turnovers a game sure then he has shit help but if their roles change so Lebron could have the max impact and they struggle then you can't claim it's no help.

[navy]

:coleman:



Also, I don't think you have watched Melo play much have you?

I dont think you have watched Melo play. Melo is at his best when he is catching and shooting and it is evident whenever he plays. The best Melo is definitely the one at the All Star games and Olympics. Which is why the Knicks failed miserably when they couldnt get him a caliber point guard.

Yes. Melo needs to become a catch and shoot player. No he doesnt need to do it on every play because his isolation game is pretty good. But it has never been a winning formula. And never will be for Carmelo.

[Black and White]

I dont think you have watched Melo play. Melo is at his best when he is catching and shooting and it is evident whenever he plays. The best Melo is deinetly the one at the All Star games and olympics. Which is why the Knicks failed miserably when they couldnt get him a caliber point guard.

Yes. Melo needs to become a catch and shoot player. No he doesnt need to do it on every play because his isolation game is pretty good. But it has never been a winning formula. And never will be for Carmelo.

The All-star game has hardly any defense and there is superstars all over the court so Melo can play off the rest (there will never be that many good players on one squad in terms of NBA teams), same with the Olympics.

Melo needs to play in the post, he is strong and can beat his man in ISO, LeBron can focus on the ball handling, but Melo needs just as much possession as Bron.

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The All-star game has hardly any defense and there is superstars all over the court so Melo can play off the rest (there will never be that many good players on one squad in terms of NBA teams), same with the Olympics.

Melo needs to play in the post, he is strong and can beat his man in ISO, LeBron can focus on the ball handling, but Melo needs just as much possession as Bron.
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[NumberSix]

The All-star game has hardly any defense and there is superstars all over the court so Melo can play off the rest (there will never be that many good players on one squad in terms of NBA teams), same with the Olympics.

Melo needs to play in the post, he is strong and can beat his man in ISO, LeBron can focus on the ball handling, but Melo needs just as much possession as Bron.
You're an idiot.

Let somebody else play make for Melo whether it's in the post or the perimeter.

If you honestly think he needs to get the ball on the perimeter and work his way into the post with the ball, you're even more of a fυcking retard than I thought.

[Black and White]

You're an idiot.

Let somebody else play make for Melo whether it's in the post or the perimeter.

If you honestly think he needs to get the ball on the perimeter and work his way into the post with the ball, you're even more of a fυcking retard than I thought.

Where did I say he needs to move from the perimeter? The bolded was in reference to how much possession Melo needs during games, as a max player you cant just expect him to take jumpshots, hes an all-star, his value is more than just jump shooting.

[NumberSix]

Where did I say he needs to move from the perimeter? The bolded was in reference to how much possession Melo needs during games, as a max player you cant just expect him to take jumpshots, hes an all-star, his value is more than just jump shooting.
Who ever said that?

Of the ball =/= jumpers only. :hammerhead:

[Phenith]

Replace Melo with Oden.

Kyrie/Wiggins/LeBron/Bennett/Oden

:lebronamazed:

lol, got #1 overalls or what, lol

[JT123]

Where did I say he needs to move from the perimeter? The bolded was in reference to how much possession Melo needs during games, as a max player you cant just expect him to take jumpshots, hes an all-star, his value is more than just jump shooting.
Melo's is gonna stand on the perimeter and wait for Lebron's kick outs, and he's going to like it! Melo ball doesn't win rings, Lebron ball does. FACT! :banana:

[Black and White]

Who ever said that?
Of the ball =/= jumpers only. :hammerhead:

This guy:


To be honest, Catching and shooting is exactly what Melo needs to become.

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Who ever said that?

Of the ball =/= jumpers only. :hammerhead:

Your not reading the full thread, black and white was arguing with an idiot saying Melo is at his best as a spot up shooter and needs to just catch and shoot.

[RedBlackAttack]

Guys, enough bickering. Just let the statistics speak for themselves...

Usage Rate:
James - 31.0
Anthony - 32.4
Irving - 28.2

All three are very high ball usage players. I highly doubt they'd be able to coexist without major transformations from at least one, if not two of the three.

I don't like that trio, tbh.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Melo's is gonna stand on the perimeter and wait for Lebron's kick outs, and he's going to like it! Melo ball doesn't win rings, Lebron ball does. FACT! :banana:
Lebron ball: 2/5
Melo ball: N/A






Kobe/MJ ball: 11/13


Your move niqqa:coleman:

[JT123]

Lebron ball: 2/5
Melo ball: N/A






Kobe/MJ ball: 11/13


Your move niqqa:coleman:
:oldlol: Kobe stans are now trying to piggy back off of Shaq AND MJ's rings?!
PATHETIC! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[navy]

The All-star game has hardly any defense and there is superstars all over the court so Melo can play off the rest (there will never be that many good players on one squad in terms of NBA teams), same with the Olympics.

Melo needs to play in the post, he is strong and can beat his man in ISO, LeBron can focus on the ball handling, but Melo needs just as much possession as Bron.
Lebron James, Irving, and Melo is the ALL Star team. Melo needs to play off ball. Desperately.

Melo doesnt get enough free throws nor have the size to play in the post for long stretches. It is why in the playoffs he always struggles to raise his game.

Melo having as many possessions as Lebron is crazy. Lebron currently has a smaller usage rate than Melo and Irving and is way more productive.

[Black and White]

Lebron James, Irving, and Melo is the ALL Star team. Melo needs to play off ball. Desperately.

Melo doesnt get enough free throws nor have the size to play in the post for long stretches. It is why in the playoffs he always struggles to raise his game.

Melo having as many possessions as Lebron is crazy. Lebron currently has a smaller usage rate than Melo and Irving and is way more productive.

Who do you think he will be posting up? He isn't going to single out David West and attempt to back him down, he will pick his spots and for a SF he has great size and strength to play in the post,

Also, in regards to the playoffs, you act like his supporting cast is even comparable to LeBrons, teams knew to focus on him because he didn't have as many options to help him out,

I agree that Melo should play off ball, but I do not agree he needs to lower his usage rate significantly.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

:oldlol: Kobe stans are now trying to piggy back off of Shaq AND MJ's rings?!
PATHETIC! :roll: :roll: :roll:
Nah, I was comparing their style. You can't possibly say that Kobe's playstyle isn't nearly the exact same as MJ's hence the amount of rings both players got from playing that way.


Even if you subtract MJ

5/7>>>>>>>2*/5

#Fact

[navy]

Who do you think he will be posting up? He isn't going to single out David West and attempt to back him down, he will pick his spots and for a SF he has great size and strength to play in the post,

Also, in regards to the playoffs, you act like his supporting cast is even comparable to LeBrons, teams knew to focus on him because he didn't have as many options to help him out,

I agree that Melo should play off ball, but I do not agree he needs to lower his usage rate significantly.
No, it isnt a reliable part of his game. He can do it, just not as much as you would think. Which is why he relies on his iso jumper.

He has never been a great playoff performer. Out the first round twice. Second once. :confusedshrug: You can blame his team, but alot of the time he never plays that great.

He doesnt need the ball in his hands. Unless he looking to score immediately. Until that happens he will never win a ring.

[LoneyROY7]

Melo going to Cleveland...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[navy]

Guys, enough bickering. Just let the statistics speak for themselves...

Usage Rate:
James - 31.0
Anthony - 32.4
Irving - 28.2

All three are very high ball usage players. I highly doubt they'd be able to coexist without major transformations from at least one, if not two of the three.

I don't like that trio, tbh.

Offensively they would be fine no matter what. They would make the finals playing iso ball and bad defense regardless.

Might not win unless they get a defense player of the year caliber center.

[D-FENS]

Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson

http://daaca.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/team-canada-logo-300x165.jpg

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/7f5/sports/basketball/article4677850.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/nash-sacre26sp2.JPG

Add these two

[SamuraiSWISH]

in before Irving and Melo regress to role players and Lebron stans claim he doesn't have enough help.
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[coin24]

in before Irving and Melo regress to role players and Lebron stans claim he doesn't have enough help.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

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Inb4 Embiid becomes a spot up shooter

[NattyPButter]

Why not... 3 of them sure did look great in the All star game.