Cleveland listening to offers for 1st pick from Jazz, Sixers, Wolves, Magic

[D-Rose]

@SamAmicoFSO 2m
Told Cavs indeed having talks w Jazz but deal being mentioned a little off. Favors, Burks, #5 and #23 in play for #1 and potentially Jack


@SamAmicoFSO 2m
Cavs have talked w Sixers, Jazz, Magic and Timberwolves within past 24 hours, multiple sources say.

Cavs fans, do you take that deal from Utah?? That's pretty huge. Imagine pairing Favors/Randle.

[irondarts]

If Utah is offering that deal then the Cavs should do it. That's a huge package for the top pick, I'd definitely be into taking that if I were the Cavs, especially with all of Embiid's injury concerns.

[COnDEMnED]

I don't understand, why are they doing this? Why not just pass on Embiid? Wiggins on a rookie contract is still pretty damn awesome.

[Droid101]

Favors is a stud who needs to be on a winning team.

[outbreak]

I don't understand, why are they doing this? Why not just pass on Embiid? Wiggins on a rookie contract is still pretty damn awesome.

Lebron or Melo?

[RedBlackAttack]

I haven't liked a single offer I've heard. Take the best player and be done with it.

[longtime lurker]

I don't understand, why are they doing this? Why not just pass on Embiid? Wiggins on a rookie contract is still pretty damn awesome.

Because...it's the Cavs. You have Wiggins who has the tools to be a great defender, elite level athleticism in a league that's geared towards it and he actually wants to be on the Cavs. I think they're over thinking this.

[D-Rose]

I'd imagine they're exploring all of their options before going forward. Bummer that Embiid isn't healthy, or this would have been a no brainer.

[Milbuck]

Embiid's injuries messed a lot of things up. They should jump on that Jazz deal. 4-5 years from now it might be a horrible decision if Wiggins or Parker are legit superstars...but as of right now that deal sounds pretty damn good.

Favors and Burks are right around Kyrie's age at 22, two more great pieces for that young core. Quality players that'll keep their youth and ceiling high, but are also good enough to make a strong impact from the start. Favors especially. Then you throw in Vonleh or Randle with the #5, and someone like Payne, Cappella, or McGary with the #23 for backup PF/C, or maybe Shabazz Napier for backup PG. All while dumping Jack, damn.

Kyrie/Napier
Waiters/Burks
Gee/Miles
TT/Vonleh
Favors/Varejao

The only weakness there would be SF, which they could easily fix in free agency, by signing someone like Ariza, Hayward, Wes Johnson, Xavier Henry, etc. Hope Blatt comes in and makes it all work, and if it does, that team might make the 2nd round of the playoffs.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'd imagine they're exploring all of their options before going forward. Bummer that Embiid isn't healthy, or this would have been a no brainer.
It's still a no-brainer. The Cavs biggest needs were a center and a small forward. Sure, the center is hurt and that sucks, but the next two best players are SFs. Right now, the closest thing we have to a starting caliber SF is Alonzo Gee.

Take your favorite and move on to the next issue.

[GOBB]

Wow that is a huge package for the Cavs. Favors and Burks plus 2 first rd picks? Unless Cavs really want Wiggins or Parker. Because at 5 what are you left with? Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, Exum will be gone. So now what? I can see why Cavs wouldnt do it but I can see why they would. I'm torn.

[outbreak]

Wow that is a huge package for the Cavs. Favors and Burks plus 2 first rd picks? Unless Cavs really want Wiggins or Parker. Because at 5 what are you left with? Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, Exum will be gone. So now what? I can see why Cavs wouldnt do it but I can see why they would. I'm torn.
could get randle or possible vonleh at 5 still.

[Jameerthefear]

magic apparently offered afflalo + #4 + #12
i don't believe it though.

[niko]

You trade the #1 pick for Love or Melo if that's what it takes to get Lebron to come. Other than that, you just draft Wiggins. You don't trade Wiggins for quantity over quality. It makes no sense.

Cleveland makes shit harder for themselves than it needs to be.

[outbreak]

magic apparently offered afflalo + #4 + #12
i don't believe it though.
dunno, we may have considering there is a point where we would have too many rookies on our team.

[KyrieTheFuture]

magic apparently offered afflalo + #4 + #12
i don't believe it though.
I'd nut at that.

Also, why does everyone always assume the cavs are seriously listening to any of these offers? People acting like the pick has already been trading the way posters shit on us.

[COnDEMnED]

Lebron or Melo?
Forgive my ignorance on the topic, couldn't they still go after either of those while still having Wiggins? I feel like they just hit the lottery and they want to give the money back.

[outbreak]

Forgive my ignorance on the topic, couldn't they still go after either of those while still having Wiggins? I feel like they just hit the lottery and they want to give the money back.

they could but if they bought in melo or lebron they would want to switch to win now mode and wiggins still needs time to develop, parker is more of a contribute now player but even then they play the same positions and they may prefer some proven players for a team trying to contend.

[RedBlackAttack]

Wow that is a huge package for the Cavs. Favors and Burks plus 2 first rd picks? Unless Cavs really want Wiggins or Parker. Because at 5 what are you left with? Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, Exum will be gone. So now what? I can see why Cavs wouldnt do it but I can see why they would. I'm torn.
It's a bad trade. I don't see the beneficial side of it. We're missing out on the best players in the draft, each of which play a position of need for the Cavs, for a guy whose numbers were very similar to Tristan Thompson's last season... and Alec Burks.

I'd be totally sick.

[outbreak]

I'd nut at that.

Also, why does everyone always assume the cavs are seriously listening to any of these offers? People acting like the pick has already been trading the way posters shit on us.

Wouldn't be too offended, people just like speculating. Most of the "leaked" rumours will likely be totally made up or leaked by teams trying to increase the value of the asset.

[navy]

Take Wiggins and call it a day. Parker doesnt want to be there.

Unless you know for a fact Lebron is returning.

[outbreak]

magic apparently offered afflalo + #4 + #12
i don't believe it though.

just heard that reportedly orlando offered afflalo and number 4 and cavs turned it down saying they would want number 12 as well before they begin discussions.

[D-FENS]

Cavs will find a way to screw it up. They're over-thinking it

[Jameerthefear]

just heard that reportedly orlando offered afflalo and number 4 and cavs turned it down saying they would want number 12 as well before they begin discussions.
Oh okay. I'm cool with that. I don't think Henni would bite on that one.

[COnDEMnED]

Cavs will find a way to screw it up. They're over-thinking it
No way they could blow this, it seems so simple. God have mercy on the cavs fan base if they blow this opportunity. :banghead:

[GOBB]

It's a bad trade. I don't see the beneficial side of it. We're missing out on the best players in the draft, each of which play a position of need for the Cavs, for a guy whose numbers were very similar to Tristan Thompson's last season... and Alec Burks.

I'd be totally sick.

Yeah you're right. After thinking on it.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah you're right. After thinking on it.
It's easy to forget this time of year that, in the NBA, quantity is not better than quality. If you hit on the right player in the right system with the right team, it is priceless.

The only way a deal like this make any sense whatsoever, from where I'm sitting, is if the Cavs still really want to take Embiid but not at No. 1 and they think he might drop to 5. But, even then, it's not a trade you complete before the draft.

You wait to see how the draft plays out, have the Jazz select Embiid at 5 if he's there and then do the deal afterward. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for disaster.

[Take Your Lumps]

magic apparently offered afflalo + #4 + #12
i don't believe it though.

I bet that's what the Cavs are asking for.

[PleezeBelieve]

The problem with you dudes who are hating on the Cavs fielding offers is that Wiggins isn't as good as you think he is.

I've been saying this for six months. Based on the amount of rumors floating around, Cavs probably agree with me.

Its very obvious Cleveland feel they need a physical Center big time. They ain't winning sh*t with a skinny ass Wiggins on the wing and Spencer Hawes in the middle.

[RedBlackAttack]

I bet that's what the Cavs are asking for.
I still don't get it. :oldlol:

Who are the Cavs taking at 4 if Parker, Wiggins and Embiid are off the board? The last thing they need is a PG/combo guard. They haven't worked out Vonleh, I don't believe. I guess that pick might make some sense...

But still, I don't understand why you just don't take the best player in the draft and be done with it.

[PleezeBelieve]

Ultimately I think the Cavs are still drawn to Embiid. That's who they like and that's who they want, IMO. Even with the injury, I guarantee you the team is still kicking the idea around to still draft him, just not @ #1.

And it would be a brilliant organizational decision.

[RedBlackAttack]

The problem with you dudes who are hating on the Cavs fielding offers is that Wiggins isn't as good as you think he is.

I've been saying this for six months. Based on the amount of rumors floating around, Cavs probably agree with me.

Its very obvious Cleveland feel they need a physical Center big time. They ain't winning sh*t with a skinny ass Wiggins on the wing and Spencer Hawes in the middle.
Then you take the guy you think is the best player at No. 1. This isn't rocket science. Nobody is mandating they have to pick Wiggins if they don't like him. Take Parker. Hell, take Embiid if you think he could recover.

We're not getting any of the three if we trade down. Bet that.

[PleezeBelieve]

I still don't get it. :oldlol:

Who are the Cavs taking at 4 if Parker, Wiggins and Embiid are off the board? The last thing they need is a PG/combo guard. They haven't worked out Vonleh, I don't believe. I guess that pick might make some sense...

But still, I don't understand why you just don't take the best player in the draft and be done with it.
If Embiid is good enough to go in the top 3 in your scenario, then the Cavs should just pick him #1.

[RedBlackAttack]

If Embiid is good enough to go in the top 3 in your scenario, then the Cavs should just pick him #1.
I agree. If they think he's that much better than everyone else, just take him. If you trade down and cross your fingers, you're flirting with disaster.

If they love Embiid that much, just take him. I won't complain if they do. I do think he's far and away the best prospect in the draft. I wouldn't have the stones to take him first overall because I like both Wiggins and Parker too and back/foot problems with bigs are a big deal, but that doesn't mean a GM with bigger stones can't roll the dice.

I just don't want to see us foolishly trade out of the Top 3 and miss the boat on the three best players in the draft.

[PleezeBelieve]

Then you take the guy you think is the best player at No. 1. This isn't rocket science. Nobody is mandating they have to pick Wiggins if they don't like him. Take Parker. Hell, take Embiid if you think he could recover.

We're not getting any of the three if we trade down. Bet that.
In your mind you obviously think Embiid is still going top 3 , so why are you campaigning for Wiggins now?

I think the Cavs are covering their basis in case he drops to the #4-6 range. They obviously still want him, IMO

[Take Your Lumps]

I still don't get it. :oldlol:

Who are the Cavs taking at 4 if Parker, Wiggins and Embiid are off the board? The last thing they need is a PG/combo guard. They haven't worked out Vonleh, I don't believe. I guess that pick might make some sense...

But still, I don't understand why you just don't take the best player in the draft and be done with it.

I think they'd be interested IF they're assured that Embiid will be there at #4 but that's just my hunch.

[RedBlackAttack]

In your mind you obviously think Embiid is still going top 3 , so why are you campaigning for Wiggins now?

I think the Cavs are covering their basis in case he drops to the #4-6 range. They obviously still want him, IMO
It's pretty obvious, isn't it? Embiid is my favorite prospect in the draft, but the injury concerns have me preferring both Wiggins and Parker over him. However, when both of those guys are gone, I can't imagine passing on Embiid at 3.

But, most of these trade talks aren't about the third pick... they're about a pick in the 4-6 range. If I were the Sixers' GM, no way I let Embiid get past me at 3 with both SFs off the board.

That's where I'm at with it.

[PleezeBelieve]

I agree. If they think he's that much better than everyone else, just take him. If you trade down and cross your fingers, you're flirting with disaster.

If they love Embiid that much, just take him. I won't complain if they do. I do think he's far and away the best prospect in the draft. I wouldn't have the stones to take him first overall because I like both Wiggins and Parker too and back/foot problems with bigs are a big deal, but that doesn't mean a GM with bigger stones can't roll the dice.

I just don't want to see us foolishly trade out of the Top 3 and miss the boat on the three best players in the draft.
OK looks like we're on the same page here.

After the news of the Embiid injury first broke, I was also disappointed because I thought there was no way he was worth a top 5 pick.

But...

I believe this comes down to more than what you can see on game tape. I believe the Cavs see something very special in Embiid as a person. He is not the type to let something deter him from reaching his potential. In fact, it will probably have the opposite effect on his game long term. He'll learn to play smarter and work harder to protect himself from injuries.

Obviously to still pick Embiid is risk, but that's okay. Greatness demands taking risks tho.

[Fork]

I want Philly to get Wiggins, and it doesn't matter what Cavs do they'll always be crappy

[HylianNightmare]

magic apparently offered afflalo + #4 + #12
i don't believe it though.


My damn!

[PleezeBelieve]

I agree. If they think he's that much better than everyone else, just take him. If you trade down and cross your fingers, you're flirting with disaster.

If they love Embiid that much, just take him. I won't complain if they do. I do think he's far and away the best prospect in the draft. I wouldn't have the stones to take him first overall because I like both Wiggins and Parker too and back/foot problems with bigs are a big deal, but that doesn't mean a GM with bigger stones can't roll the dice.

I just don't want to see us foolishly trade out of the Top 3 and miss the boat on the three best players in the draft.
OK looks like we're on the same page here.

After the news of the Embiid injury first broke, I was also disappointed because I thought there was no way he was worth a top 5 pick.

But...

I believe this comes down to more than what you can see on game tape. I believe the Cavs see something very special in Embiid as a person. He is not the type to let something deter him from reaching his potential. In fact, it will probably have the opposite effect on his game long term. He'll learn to play smarter and work harder to protect himself from injuries.

Obviously to still pick Embiid is risk, but that's okay. Greatness demands taking risks tho.

[RedBlackAttack]

As usual, Sam Amico straddling the fence.


Sense is, despite buzz, Cavs not close to deal they like. Told they could be really busy Thursday night, "or it may be nothing."

How about this, though?

Amico:

Also, Cavs have discussed Dion Waiters with team in top 10. Opposing team unconfirmed at moment.


Interesting note to Dion Waiters talk: Source close to Waiters tells @FOXSportsOH that Waiters thinks he or Kyrie Irving will be traded.

https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/statuses/481238775465799682

[Take Your Lumps]

I think CLE really screwed themselves by not trading Waiters while his stock was higher and possibly drafting a replacement for him last year instead of Bennett. Will be interesting to see what they can get for him now.

[Jameerthefear]

My damn!
how do u feel about that?

[RedBlackAttack]

I think CLE really screwed themselves by not trading Waiters while his stock was higher and possibly drafting a replacement for him last year instead of Bennett. Will be interesting to see what they can get for him now.
Can't imagine his stock ever being higher than it is right now. He was one of the lone bright spots for the Cavs this year. Much improved.

[PleezeBelieve]

I think CLE really screwed themselves by not trading Waiters while his stock was higher and possibly drafting a replacement for him last year instead of Bennett. Will be interesting to see what they can get for him now.
You're off base on Dion. When he excels on another team, we'll revisit the Dion hate. You can guarantee that.

[RedBlackAttack]

You're off base on Dion. When he excels on another team, we'll revisit the Dion hate. You can guarantee that.
The general Dion Waiters narrative is very confusing to me. He has been virtually step-for-step with Brad Beal in their two respective years so far in the league, but everyone acts as though Beal is the next big thing and Waiters is a total bust.

I don't know if it is a Cavs thing or what, but Dion looked really good last year... there were large portions of the season where he was the best player on the team. He was hitting GWs with the Cavs still in playoff contention, taking over games, etc.

But, everyone has just assumed he is worthless. I don't get it. Group think. :confusedshrug:

[outbreak]

The general Dion Waiters narrative is very confusing to me. He has been virtually step-for-step with Brad Beal in their two respective years so far in the league, but everyone acts as though Beal is the next big thing and Waiters is a total bust.

I don't know if it is a Cavs thing or what, but Dion looked really good last year... there were large portions of the season where he was the best player on the team. He was hitting GWs with the Cavs still in playoff contention, taking over games, etc.

But, everyone has just assumed he is worthless. I don't get it. Group think. :confusedshrug:

I thought it was his attitude. To be honest I don't think waiters or beal are going to be amazing players. They will be solid but not great imo and I don't recall seeing anyone hyping up beal anymore than waiters, if anything i've seen more people trying to hype up waiters which is what may have led to people bagging him out for silly reasons.

[coin24]

I think the Cavs are mega scared theyre going to draft a bust again..

Unless theyre trading the #1 pick for Melo or bran just take the best player available in the draft.. Wiggins/Parker.. Then sign some vets they need badly.

[PleezeBelieve]

I thought it was his attitude. To be honest I don't think waiters or beal are going to be amazing players. They will be solid but not great imo and I don't recall seeing anyone hyping up beal anymore than waiters, if anything i've seen more people trying to hype up waiters which is what may have led to people bagging him out for silly reasons.
Dion just put up 16 3 3 on 43/37/68 splits as a 22 year old.

He's already "solid", as you say

[PleezeBelieve]

I think the Cavs are mega scared theyre going to draft a bust again..

Unless theyre trading the #1 pick for Melo or bran just take the best player available in the draft.. Wiggins/Parker.. Then sign some vets they need badly.
No, I actually think they have a plan they they are trying to execute to their maximum benefit.

Thanks for adding nothing, tho.

[coin24]

No, I actually think they have a plan they they are trying to execute to their maximum benefit.

Thanks for adding nothing, tho.


Well good luck with that, history shows the opposite:oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

No, I actually think they have a plan they they are trying to execute to their maximum benefit.

Thanks for adding nothing, tho.
:oldlol:

[NattyPButter]

They trade Dion I hope this sh!t blow up in their face and Kyrie doesn't sign max deal, and they traded their number 1 draft pick for freaking Derrick Favors. Then Lebron resigns with the Heat. The team would be back to square 1.

[hangintheair]

Just trade it to Phily for the #3 and Young.

Draft Embiid and put Young on SF

[Derka]

They need to be drafting Wiggins if Embiid is really that badly hurt. They need that SF shored up.

[RedBlackAttack]

They trade Dion I hope this sh!t blow up in their face and Kyrie doesn't sign max deal, and they traded their number 1 draft pick for freaking Derrick Favors. Then Lebron resigns with the Heat. The team would be back to square 1.
What a fan.

[NattyPButter]

What a fan.

Well you sure don't trade your number 1 for freaking Favors and some picks. You don't trade Dion when he was freaking better then Kyrie last year. Then on top of that Kyrie is always freaking hurt every season.

[lilgodfather1]

What is Utah's cap situation? If they could absorb Jack, and Thompson without taking anything back, I would seriously consider it. If not then fug em.

[Byobob]

No pic of Broussard's multiple sauces yet? I am disappoint.

[RedBlackAttack]

Well you sure don't trade your number 1 for freaking Favors and some picks. You don't trade Dion when he was freaking better then Kyrie last year. Then on top of that Kyrie is always freaking hurt every season.
I agree with the first two points, but why would you phrase it "I hope this blows up in their faces" when talking about the team you're supposed to be a fan of? Wouldn't your hope be that whatever happens doesn't blow up in their faces?

[El Gato Negro]

Chance of griffin trading this pick slim and none.

[Meticode]

Draft day cannot come soon enough. All of these rumors. :cry:

[NattyPButter]

I agree with the first two points, but why would you phrase it "I hope this blows up in their faces" when talking about the team you're supposed to be a fan of? Wouldn't your hope be that whatever happens doesn't blow up in their faces?

Nope...If they're gonna play stupid games they should get stupid prizes. Back to square 1 for complicating things...when all they could have done was draft Wiggins or Parker and call it a night. You want a big man get him in FA not some over priced Jazz player that can't even out rebound TT and some picks. He would ruin the cap space.

[plowking]

I heard they're trading the number 1 pick to Miami for James Jones and pick #56. Good deal for the Cavs. They need a shooter.

Multiple sources.