The 00s had better players than the 90s (more depth too)

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

90s has the GOAT but 00s is better overall

Kidd, Nash, CP3, Tony, Chauncey, DWill, Baron
Kobe, Wade, Manu, Ray, Vince, AI
Pierce, Mac, Cavs Bran, Matrix, Melo, AK, Ron, Iggy
KG, Dirk, CWebb, Sheed, Bosh, Pau, Amare, Brand
Shaq, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Big Ben

VS

Stockton, Payton, KJ, Price, Tim, Penny
MJ, Glide, Reggie, Richmond
Pippen, Wilkins, Grant, Mullins, Rice, Schrempf, Kukoc
Chuck, Karl, Kemp, Rodman, Ho Grant
Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Deke, Zo

[Round Mound]

90s has the GOAT but 00s is better overall

Kidd, Nash, CP3, Tony, Chauncey, DWill, Baron
Kobe, Wade, Manu, Ray, Vince, AI
Pierce, Mac, Cavs Bran, Matrix, Melo, AK, Ron, Iggy
KG, Dirk, CWebb, Sheed, Bosh, Pau, Amare, Brand
Shaq, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Big Ben

VS

Stockton, Payton, KJ, Price, Tim, Penny
MJ, Glide, Reggie, Richmond
Pippen, Wilkins, Grant, Mullins, Rice, Schrempf, Kukoc
Chuck, Karl, Kemp, Rodman, Ho Grant
Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Deke, Zo

Shaq is a 90s player. He just happened to win more in the weaker 00s.

[DonDadda59]

90s has the GOAT but 00s is better overall

Kidd, Nash, CP3, Tony, Chauncey, DWill, Baron
Kobe, Wade, Manu, Ray, Vince, AI
Pierce, Mac, Cavs Bran, Matrix, Melo, AK, Ron, Iggy
KG, Dirk, CWebb, Sheed, Bosh, Pau, Amare, Brand
Shaq, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Big Ben

VS

Stockton, Payton, KJ, Price, Tim, Penny
MJ, Glide, Reggie, Richmond
Pippen, Wilkins, Grant, Mullins, Rice, Schrempf, Kukoc
Chuck, Karl, Kemp, Rodman, Ho Grant
Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Deke, Zo

Bold = Players who were around in the 90s, bruh.

Not counting guys like Baron, World Peace who were drafted in '99

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Bold = Players who were around in the 90s, bruh.

Not counting guys like Baron, World Peace who were drafted in '99
Then most of the 90s players are 80s players? lol
:facepalm :facepalm

[Warfan]

Bold = Players who were around in the 90s, bruh.

Not counting guys like Baron, World Peace who were drafted in '99

Not that I necessarily agree with the OP, but their best years were in the 2000's, so what's your point?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Not that I necessarily agree with the OP, but their best years were in the 2000's, so what's your point?
MJ played in the 00s
he was an 00s plays lol at this nikka:roll: :roll:

[jstern]

These kinds of list can be so easily manipulated, because for example, Shaq came into the league in the early 90s and was the superstar, man. The same as Kidd, when I think back of watching the NBA in the 90s Kidd is one of the main players that comes to mind. As well as so many others. Even a player like KG, so many memories of being in school and watching him in my cousin's house in the 90s, when the 2000s never even existed.

Then you have a poster who doesn't factor the rule changes, which probably helped Nash tremendously, and also the fact that he probably never watch a game of basketball in the 90s, and has no idea of how good someone was, and is just going by how recognizable a name is.

A person in his shoes 12 years from now will leave off so many of the names in the 2000s list, simply because those will be forgotten players.

If you go deeper into it, leaving Shaq off the 90s would be the same as leaving Lebron of the 2000s. Worse since Shaqs played more years in the 90s than Lebron did in the 2000s.

[DonDadda59]

Not that I necessarily agree with the OP, but their best years were in the 2000's, so what's your point?

So basically you only count 'best years'? Kinda weird that guys who played 5-8 years in the 90s AKA the vast majority of the decade, didn't have their 'best years' until the best players of the 90s weren't around any more. Shaq was drafted in 1992 for f*ckssake :oldlol:


Then most of the 90s players are 80s players? lol

I know... weird that guys can be impactful past a new decade. Weird.

But I guess MJ's averages of 33/6/6/3 his multiple MVPs, scoring titles, DPOY, ROY etc in that decade don't qualify him as an '80s player' though.

But let's not let logic get in the way of this thread.

[iamgine]

90s has the GOAT but 00s is better overall

Kidd, Nash, CP3, Tony, Chauncey, DWill, Baron
Kobe, Wade, Manu, Ray, Vince, AI
Pierce, Mac, Cavs Bran, Matrix, Melo, AK, Ron, Iggy
KG, Dirk, CWebb, Sheed, Bosh, Pau, Amare, Brand
Shaq, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Big Ben

VS

Stockton, Payton, KJ, Price, Tim, Penny
MJ, Glide, Reggie, Richmond
Pippen, Wilkins, Grant, Mullins, Rice, Schrempf, Kukoc
Chuck, Karl, Kemp, Rodman, Ho Grant
Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Deke, Zo
#1 Bron = '10 player

#2 I'm seeing the names and think 90s are better.

[Warfan]

So basically you only count 'best years'? Kinda weird that guys who played 5-8 years in the 90s AKA the vast majority of the decade, didn't have their 'best years' until the best players of the 90s weren't around any more. Shaq was drafted in 1992 for f*ckssake :oldlol:



So what the hell did Kobe, tmac, ray, nash, Chauncey, vince (who played 1 year in the 90s), pierce, dirk, sheed and big ben do in the 90s? Go look at their numbers, not even close to what they did the next decade and they played 2-4 years tops, and most didn't even make an allstar team

[DonDadda59]

So what the hell did Kobe, tmac, ray, nash, Chauncey, vince (who played 1 year in the 90s), pierce, dirk, sheed and big ben do in the 90s? Go look at their numbers, not even close to what they did the next decade and they played 2-4 years tops, and most didn't even make an allstar team

Most of the guys you named are perimeter players, the rule changes in the 2000s really helped them have their 'best years' (Notice how big men like Shaq and Duncan had IMMEDIATE impact after being drafted in the 90s). But that doesn't change the fact that guys like Kobe and Ray played 4 seasons in the 90s after being drafted in '96. Whether or not they did shit doesn't change the fact that they played in nearly half the decade, they were 90s players. Maybe not marquee for one reason or another, but they were there going up against the guys OP labeled as solely '90s players' (really shoddy and incomplete list BTW :lol ).

And for the record, Kobe was a 2 time all star in the 90s and led the league in bench scoring in 97-98, Ray was a 18/4/4 guy shooting 39% from 3 from 96-00, Rasheed put up 14/6 in the 90s (compared to 15/7 in the 00s).

[Real14]

FAIL :oldlol:

[Warfan]

Most of the guys you named are perimeter players, the rule changes in the 2000s really helped them have their 'best years' (Notice how big men like Shaq and Duncan had IMMEDIATE impact after being drafted in the 90s). But that doesn't change the fact that guys like Kobe and Ray played 4 seasons in the 90s after being drafted in '96. Whether or not they did shit doesn't change the fact that they played in nearly half the decade, they were 90s players. Maybe not marquee for one reason or another, but they were there going up against the guys OP labeled as solely '90s players' (really shoddy and incomplete list BTW :lol ).

And for the record, Kobe was a 2 time all star in the 90s and led the league in bench scoring in 97-98, Ray was a 18/4/4 guy shooting 39% from 3 from 96-00, Rasheed put up 14/6 in the 90s (compared to 15/7 in the 00s).

90's is 90'-99' btw

Kobe averaged 14 ppg and played on the bench for 2/3 years, he should definitely be included as part of the 90s while he was a teenager :lol

Tmac played 2 years and averaged 8ppg while playing 20mpg

Ray averaged 16 a game during his 3 years in the 90s

Nash 7ppg in the 90s while playing 20mpg :bowdown: :bowdown:

Chauncey 12ppg in under 30mpg, tearing up the league

Dirk played one year in the 90s and avg 8ppg :bowdown:

Big Ben avg 3/5, just unheard of :bowdown:

These guys I listed in the other post just weren't in their primes, and the major rule change was enforced in the middle of the 2000's. Kobe, tmac, ray, pierce, AI, vince, nash were already great in the early 00's

[1987_Lakers]

90's has to be the most overrated era ever.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

90's has to be the most overrated era ever.
Most people who post on this site probably grew up in the 90s. It's all nostalgia.

[1987_Lakers]

Most people who post on this site probably grew up in the 90s. It's all nostalgia.

Early 90's were good, but people are denying just how watered down the mid-late 90's were. League filled with expansion teams, teams couldn't even put up 80 points (no excitement). You had an Indiana team led by Reggie Miller contending for titles year after year.:oldlol:

83-93 will always be the golden era of the NBA.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

90's is 90'-99' btw

Kobe averaged 14 ppg and played on the bench for 2/3 years, he should definitely be included as part of the 90s while he was a teenager :lol

Tmac played 2 years and averaged 8ppg while playing 20mpg

Ray averaged 16 a game during his 3 years in the 90s

Nash 7ppg in the 90s while playing 20mpg :bowdown: :bowdown:

Chauncey 12ppg in under 30mpg, tearing up the league

Dirk played one year in the 90s and avg 8ppg :bowdown:

Big Ben avg 3/5, just unheard of :bowdown:

These guys I listed in the other post just weren't in their primes, and the major rule change was enforced in the middle of the 2000's. Kobe, tmac, ray, pierce, AI, vince, nash were already great in the early 00's
ETHER got em:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

90's is 90'-99' btw

Kobe averaged 14 ppg and played on the bench for 2/3 years, he should definitely be included as part of the 90s while he was a teenager :lol

Tmac played 2 years and averaged 8ppg while playing 20mpg

Ray averaged 16 a game during his 3 years in the 90s

Nash 7ppg in the 90s while playing 20mpg :bowdown: :bowdown:

Chauncey 12ppg in under 30mpg, tearing up the league

Dirk played one year in the 90s and avg 8ppg :bowdown:

Big Ben avg 3/5, just unheard of :bowdown:

These guys I listed in the other post just weren't in their primes, and the major rule change was enforced in the middle of the 2000's. Kobe, tmac, ray, pierce, AI, vince, nash were already great in the early 00's
:oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

90's is 90'-99' btw

So the 1999 portion of the 1999-2000 season doesn't count as the 90s? Well shit, you learn something new everyday.


Kobe averaged 14 ppg and played on the bench for 2/3 years, he should definitely be included as part of the 90s while he was a teenager :lol

He was a 2 time all star and led the league in bench scoring his second season. Just didn't have the same offensive freedoms coming out of high school as that of LeBron James (who by the OP's definition doesn't count as a 00s player btw :lol )


Tmac played 2 years and averaged 8ppg while playing 20mpg

Ray averaged 16 a game during his 3 years in the 90s

Nash 7ppg in the 90s while playing 20mpg :bowdown: :bowdown:

Chauncey 12ppg in under 30mpg, tearing up the league

Dirk played one year in the 90s and avg 8ppg :bowdown:

Big Ben avg 3/5, just unheard of :bowdown:

These guys I listed in the other post just weren't in their primes, and the major rule change was enforced in the middle of the 2000's. Kobe, tmac, ray, pierce, AI, vince, nash were already great in the early 00's

Again... what difference does it make that these guys didn't come into their own for one reason or another (isn't it weird that Kobe, AI, Ray who were drafted in '96 didn't have their career scoring highs until 10 years into their careers... which just so happened to coincide with the summer of '05 rule changes?)? They played, in some cases, half the decade. They were 90s players.

Some of the guys the OP listed (Shaq, Duncan, Webber) were superstars during the decade. Shaq actually had better production/numbers overall in the 90s than he did in the 2000s. He just had the unfortunate privilege of going up against MJ's Bulls, Hakeem's Rockets, and the Malone/Stockton Jazz. Once he got his hands on Rik Smits and Todd MacColluch though :eek:

[DonDadda59]

Early 90's were good, but people are denying just how watered down the mid-late 90's were. League filled with expansion teams, teams couldn't even put up 80 points (no excitement). You had an Indiana team led by Reggie Miller contending for titles year after year.:oldlol:

83-93 will always be the golden era of the NBA.

And an older version of that team made the finals (which they never did in the 90s) and went to 6 against Shaq/Kobe....

[1987_Lakers]

And an older version of that team made the finals (which they never did in the 90s) and went to 6 against Shaq/Kobe....

Kobe was injured.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe was injured.

Your point being? How does Kobe's injury factor into them making the finals... even though you said the 90s featured them contending for a title, when they never even made the finals? :biggums:

Then the next year you had a one man squad led by a chucking midget, then the next year Jason Kidd with Kenyon Martin as his main offensive option coming out of the East.

Shaq's Orlando squads crush those jokes of teams. But again, he instead had to go up against MJ, Hakeem, Malone, etc.

[Fawker]

stockton
jordan
olajuwon

these 3 and that's it. would ruin any decade

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

stockton
jordan
olajuwon

these 3 and that's it. would ruin any decade
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Magic
Bird
Kareem, 50yo Kareem was shitting on Hakeem

run thru that shit

so do

CP3
KG
Shaq

[1987_Lakers]

Your point being? How does Kobe's injury factor into them making the finals... even though you said the 90s featured them contending for a title, when they never even made the finals? :biggums:

Then the next year you had a one man squad led by a chucking midget, then the next year Jason Kidd with Kenyon Martin as his main offensive option coming out of the East.

Shaq's Orlando squads crush those jokes of teams. But again, he instead had to go up against MJ, Hakeem, Malone, etc.

Healthy Kobe and the series would have been over in 5. It's no secret that the East had garbage teams in the Finals in the early 00's, but some of the older posters hype the 90's as some unforgettable decade of basketball, which it wasn't.

Whether you like it or not the rule changes has made the league more watchable. Along with MJ leaving the league lost alot of fans because of their low scoring boring games and it all started in your beloved decade, (mid 90's).

[1987_Lakers]

stockton
jordan
olajuwon

these 3 and that's it. would ruin any decade

I'm not even sure if Stockton would be the league's best PG in today's game.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I'm not even sure if Stockton would be the league's best PG in today's game.
Of course he wouldnt. 08, 09, 11, 12, 13 and 14 CP3 are all better than ANY season of Stockton. Current Steph is arguable

[DonDadda59]

Healthy Kobe and the series would have been over in 5. It's no secret that the East had garbage teams in the Finals in the early 00's, but some of the older posters hype the 90's as some unforgettable decade of basketball, which it wasn't.

Pure speculation. 'Healthy' Kobe was just as likely to chuck his team out of a series. In fact, the Lakers won game 2 when Kobe only played 9 minutes and had 2 points (Shaq had 40/24 on 61%FG against Rik Smits).

East Finals Teams in the 00s-

'00: Pacers
'01: Sixers
'02: Nets
'03: Nets
'04: Pistons
'05: Pistons
'06: Heat
'07: Cavs
'08: Celtics
'09: Magic

Bold= come on, son :oldlol:

And it's not a coincidence either that looking at the stats (win differential, win percentage, etc) the Eastern conference in the early to mid 00s and right now is by a large margin the 2 worst conferences since the NBA merger in '71. This is not hyperbole either. There's graphs and charts tracking this. I've posted them before, but I'm about to go to sleep so f*ck looking it up.

The East in the 00s and right now was/is an absolute joke, a barren wasteland filled with absolute jokes of teams.


Whether you like it or not the rule changes has made the league more watchable

And yet ratings have gone down since the 90s, sometimes plummeting. And don't give me that shit about the internet, streaming, etc. The NFL has been experiencing record setting ratings going on a decade now, every year their viewership grows.

Again, there's charts and graphs you can look at.

Ya'll have a wonderful evening now :cheers:

[1987_Lakers]

And yet ratings have gone down since the 90s, sometimes plummeting. And don't give me that shit about the internet, streaming, etc. The NFL has been experiencing record setting ratings going on a decade now, every year their viewership grows.

Again, there's charts and graphs you can look at.

Ya'll have a wonderful evening now :cheers:

It's a valid point, there are more channels on TV, internet etc etc. Baseball has also gone down in ratings. NFL is easier to watch since it's only 1 game a week, on a Sunday when everyone has a day off.

No matter how you slice it the style of play of the 90's was a contributor to the low ratings that the league experienced in the early-mid 00's.

NBA in 2008-2014 > NBA in 1994-1999.

[Cali Syndicate]

90s has the GOAT but 00s is better overall

Kidd, Nash, CP3, Tony, Chauncey, DWill, Baron
Kobe, Wade, Manu, Ray, Vince, AI
Pierce, Mac, Cavs Bran, Matrix, Melo, AK, Ron, Iggy
KG, Dirk, CWebb, Sheed, Bosh, Pau, Amare, Brand
Shaq, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Big Ben

VS

Stockton, Payton, KJ, Price, Tim, Penny
MJ, Glide, Reggie, Richmond
Pippen, Wilkins, Grant, Mullins, Rice, Schrempf, Kukoc
Chuck, Karl, Kemp, Rodman, Ho Grant
Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Deke, Zo

Cavs Bran? Shaq played more seasons in the 90's than Bron has in the 00's. If Bron is a 00's player, then Webber is a 90's player seeing that they were drafted the same year respective to the decade.

Some players you missed, Sprewell, Allan Houston, Daughtery, Big Dog Robinson...

[Artillery]

Shaq is a 90s player. He just happened to win more in the weaker 00s.

Shaq's prime was in the 2000s. Though you're right, he kinda overlaps over both eras.

[nnn123]

90s has the GOAT but 00s is better overall

Kidd, Nash, CP3, Tony, Chauncey, DWill, Baron
Kobe, Wade, Manu, Ray, Vince, AI
Pierce, Mac, Cavs Bran, Matrix, Melo, AK, Ron, Iggy
KG, Dirk, CWebb, Sheed, Bosh, Pau, Amare, Brand
Shaq, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Big Ben

VS

Stockton, Payton, KJ, Price, Tim, Penny
MJ, Glide, Reggie, Richmond
Pippen, Wilkins, Grant, Mullins, Rice, Schrempf, Kukoc
Chuck, Karl, Kemp, Rodman, Ho Grant
Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Deke, Zo

For the 2000s:

-Remove Sheed, Matrix, Ron, Iggy
-Add Steve Francis, Jermiane O'neal, Marbury, Gilbert Arenas

For the 90s:

-Remove Ho Grant, Shrempf
-Add Shaq, Daugherty, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman, Glenn Robinson, Danny Manning, Jamal Mashburn


NOW you got a list :pimp:

[Warfan]

So the 1999 portion of the 1999-2000 season doesn't count as the 90s? Well shit, you learn something new everyday.

So we should just count the 30 games in November and December?
Ok :lol



He was a 2 time all star and led the league in bench scoring his second season. Just didn't have the same offensive freedoms coming out of high school as that of LeBron James (who by the OP's definition doesn't count as a 00s player btw :lol )

No one gives a **** about what kobe did in the 90s. If u think a 18-20 year old kobe is some sort of noteworthy player you're a dumbass




Again... what difference does it make that these guys didn't come into their own for one reason or another (isn't it weird that Kobe, AI, Ray who were drafted in '96 didn't have their career scoring highs until 10 years into their careers... which just so happened to coincide with the summer of '05 rule changes?)? They played, in some cases, half the decade. They were 90s players.

You have no argument. If u think players that played 1-3 years in the 90s, while averaging 3-15ppg and playing 15-30mpg should be considered some of the best players of the 90s I don't know what to tell you.

Don't you get it? Those players (who's primes were during the 2000's) werent very good/great players at all in the 90s. So why the hell would you group them in??

Here's a list of some of the perimeter players (cbf to do all of them) and what they averaged between 00'-05' (keep in mind this includes some of their younger years) -

Kobe (21-25yrs): 26.5/6/5, top 5 player besides 2000, much better than his first 3 years. No??

Tmac (20-25yrs): 26/7/5, led the league in scoring twice, much better then his 8ppg in 2 seasons in the 90s :oldlol:

Vince (23-28yrs): 25/5/4, all star every year, much better than his 1 year in the 90s wouldn't you say??

Pierce (22-27yrs): 24/7/4, only played one year in the 90s...

Ray (24-29): 23/5/4, much better than his 3 years in the 90s, his career high in PPG is only 2 points higher than what it was in 05'



Some of the guys the OP listed (Shaq, Duncan, Webber) were superstars during the decade. Shaq actually had better production/numbers overall in the 90s than he did in the 2000s. He just had the unfortunate privilege of going up against MJ's Bulls, Hakeem's Rockets, and the Malone/Stockton Jazz. Once he got his hands on Rik Smits and Todd MacColluch though :eek:

I didn't disagree with these 3 guys you bolded on the 1st page. However shaqs peak and dominant run was during the 2000s, Duncan only played 2 years in the 90s so basically 90% of his career has not been during that decade, and was mostly in the 2000s. Webber I agree with, even though his best years were in the early 00s...

[Dragonyeuw]

Shaq had more dominant seasons in the 90s than he did the 00s, though his rings came after 2000. Other than 2000-2002, the rest of his 'good' 00's years aren't better than 92-99. He's more of a tweener....

[andgar923]

Cavs Bran? Shaq played more seasons in the 90's than Bron has in the 00's. If Bron is a 00's player, then Webber is a 90's player seeing that they were drafted the same year respective to the decade.

Some players you missed, Sprewell, Allan Houston, Daughtery, Big Dog Robinson...

Big Dog would've been a top 5 player today easily.
Daugherthy would've been the best center (top 2 very least)
Spreewell and Houston would've been the 2 best shooting guards in the league without a doubt.

[sportjames23]

90's has to be the most overrated era ever.


:facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Shaq's prime was in the 2000s. Though you're right, he kinda overlaps over both eras.


Statistically his peak was from about 1997 to about 2001. His prime started in about his second year in 1994, and his decline started in about 2004. I would say the bulk of his "best" years were in the 1990s.