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Euroleague

06-24-2014, 11:34 AM

It'll wipe the floor with whatever garbage Greece manages to send that's for sure.

Greek clubs at the moment are in an enormous fight with the Greek federation. Because the federation refuses to pay insurance for the players.

If they continue to refuse to insure the players, then no one knows what kind of team Greece would have.

If that changes, then Greece can easily send a team that can beat Spain, USA, or anyone else.

STOP TROLLING.

Other than the unsettled issue of the federation refusing to insure players (which would ban just about all of the best Greek players), the only top Greek player that has for sure said he will not play this summer is Stratos Perperoglou.

He plays at the wing position, and due to his refusing to play this summer, the coach of the team said that he will give Giannis Antetokounmpo a chance to make the team then.

So,

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Nick Calathes
SG Nikos Zisis/Giannis Antetokounmpo
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Thanasis Antetokounmpo
PF Georgios Printezis/Kosta Koufos/Kostas Kaimakoglou
C Ioannis Bourousis/Sofoklis Schortsanitis/Loukas Mavrokefalidis

That's just missing Perperoglou, who should be there instead of Giannis, but that's still enough to beat anyone.

A team with a 12 of something like that (if Spanoulis is able to play - he has a knee injury right now, but nothing has officially been announced yet about him not playing), with the new coach, Fotis Katsikaris, that is a much more able coach than Greece had in recent years, would EASILY be enough to compete with Spain, USA, or anyone else.

In fact, such a team would automatically be better than France (even with Parker), Lithuania, Serbia, Argentina (with all of their best players), Brazil etc.

So STFU moron. Such a team would be Spain's worst nightmare at the semifinals. And it's much better than any team Greece played with against USA before, and numerous times in the past, Greece gave USA trouble with lesser teams than that.

So piss off. You better hope like hell that the Greek federation does not pony up the money to insure the good Greek players, and that Spanoulis' knee is not healthy enough to play. Because they have plenty of players and a good coach now.

Ass Dan

06-24-2014, 11:36 AM

Greece at the moment is in an enormous fight with the federation and the clubs. Because the federation refuses to pay insurance for the players.

What kind of ghetto ass country is this???:roll: :roll: :roll:

I thought Europe was meant to be first world?

Euroleague

06-24-2014, 11:44 AM

What kind of ghetto ass country is this???:roll: :roll: :roll:

I thought Europe was meant to be first world?

It's the same as USA. USA isn't first world either.

sportjames23

06-24-2014, 11:47 AM

It's the same as USA. USA isn't first world either.

Sure, buddy. Sure. :oldlol:

Euroleague

06-24-2014, 11:50 AM

Sure, buddy. Sure. :oldlol:

USA standard of living is one of the worst in the entire world. As far as western nations and industrialized nations go, it's by far the lowest.

CavaliersFTW

06-24-2014, 11:53 AM

USA standard of living is one of the worst in the entire world. As far as western nations and industrialized nations go, it's by far the lowest.
If I grew up in a small town in Arkansas where everyone is related I might be lead to believe the same thing.

dunksby

06-24-2014, 11:54 AM

USA standard of living is one of the worst in the entire world. As far as western nations and industrialized nations go, it's by far the lowest.
From the announcement of Spain's roster to this :oldlol:

D-FENS

06-24-2014, 11:55 AM

Spain announced their roster:

PG Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez/Ricky Rubio
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Fernando San Emeterio
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

More like:
PG Ricky Rubio/Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Fernando San Emeterio
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

hawksdogsbraves

06-24-2014, 12:12 PM

If I grew up in a small town in Arkansas where everyone is related I might be lead to believe the same thing.

:roll: :roll: :applause:

Le Shaqtus

06-24-2014, 12:16 PM

It's the same as USA. USA isn't first world either.

No offense dude, kill yourself.

Euroleague

06-24-2014, 12:23 PM

More like:
PG Ricky Rubio/Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Fernando San Emeterio
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

Calderon is their starter, Rubio is their 3rd string. Rodriguez is their best point guard, and comes off the bench.

STOP TROLLING.

AnaheimLakers24

06-24-2014, 12:27 PM

If I grew up in a small town in Arkansas where everyone is related I might be lead to believe the same thing.
:roll:

SexSymbol

06-24-2014, 12:32 PM

Hey Mr.Bullshit

sportjames23

06-24-2014, 12:43 PM

If I grew up in a small town in Arkansas where everyone is related I might be lead to believe the same thing.

Strong ether. :oldlol:

Fiba basketball

06-24-2014, 12:51 PM

More like:
PG Ricky Rubio/Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Fernando San Emeterio
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

Rubio will be bench warmer and will be used for defense only or if Calderon plays bad but maybe not even then since Llull can also play PG.
Rodrigez is by far their best PG and he will be one of the leaders of the team but he'll probably come from the bench like he did in Real this season.

BlkMambaGOAT

06-24-2014, 12:57 PM

They'll definitely make it farther than their soccer compatriots:lol :lol :lol :lol

http://media1.santabanta.com/full1/Football/Lionel%20Messi/lionel-messi-15a.jpg
In Messi we trust. The young Kobe of soccer.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

ThemBombs

06-24-2014, 01:27 PM

It's the same as USA. USA isn't first world either.
kill yourself

-Lebron23-

06-24-2014, 01:40 PM

As expected, they're choosing Ibaka over Mirotic, who must be really pissed right now.

Overload of guards, incredibly deep at PF with Rubio as 3rd string but thin at SF. Quick, athletic teams will give them problems once again but they should abuse most teams inside.

I am really looking forward to seeing Rodriguez-Llull-Rudy-Ibaka-Pau playing together extended minutes.

bdreason

06-24-2014, 01:45 PM

Getting older by the year. Not sure that team even challenges for the Gold.

mattvNJ

06-24-2014, 02:20 PM

r0drig0lac

06-24-2014, 02:56 PM

If that changes, then Greece can easily send a team that can beat Spain, USA, or anyone else.

realmente? qual seria o suposto plantel da gr

Jon_Koncak

06-24-2014, 03:06 PM

hawksdogsbraves

06-24-2014, 03:08 PM

Rooster

06-24-2014, 06:01 PM

outbreak

06-24-2014, 06:08 PM

No offense dude, kill yourself.
you didn't quote the entire post he made. He is right that out of the countries listed as "first world" the USA is pretty low on the list for actual living standards for the majority of the population. That being said Greece is a complete shit heap right now, I work with a greek woman who went back their a year or so ago and was telling us about her experiences. Sounded like a war zone they got robbed by soldiers with sub machine guns twice while travelling. Apparently their miltary don't get paid enough money so they make money by shaking down tourists by taking their passports until they are paid off and threatening to arrest them for being in the country illegally.

Anyway the spanish team looks pretty solid, I douubt Greece would beat them.

Euroleague

06-24-2014, 06:10 PM

Rubio will be bench warmer and will be used for defense only or if Calderon plays bad but maybe not even then since Llull can also play PG.
Rodrigez is by far their best PG and he will be one of the leaders of the team but he'll probably come from the bench like he did in Real this season.

Thank you for telling the trolls like it is.

Euroleague

06-24-2014, 06:13 PM

Greece, regardless of their lineup at BEST is a bronze squad. IF THAT. Spains team looks pretty solid. I like what they bring to the table. In short, USA GOLD:party: :party: :party: :party: :djparty :djparty :djparty :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

Greece is more than capable of beating Spain. And even though Spain has an advantage by playing at home, it also adds extra pressure. Spain played at home at EuroBasket 2007, and that was when they had an even BETTER team than now, and they only got the silver medal then, because they folded under the pressure.

Greece beat Spain last year with their B team and an unqualified coach, and all Spain missed was Pau, Navarro, and Ibaka. Out of that, Pau and Navarro are very old and injury prone at this point, and both of them are well past their prime.

You are acting like this is still 2012 or something, which shows you have not watched a basketball game in the last 2 years.

Greece would be more than capable of beating that Spain team. I'm not saying they would, but to say Greece is a "bronze squad at best, regardless of their lineup", is mega trolling.

You need to lay off the drugs.

Rooster

06-24-2014, 06:15 PM

They are old,but otoh i dont see any other great teams being capable of challenging them especially on home.And thanks to a rather "strange" tournament format they wont meet USA until the final.

By the way it's hillarious how Argentina still relies on their 2004 core.Nocioni,Prigioni,Ginobili,Scola,they even bring Walter Herman back!!!Holly molly,this team is ANCIENT.

Still a team heavy of NBA experience so they will be a medal favorite as well.

LockoutOver11

06-24-2014, 06:18 PM

Greek clubs at the moment are in an enormous fight with the Greek federation. Because the federation refuses to pay insurance for the players.

Blahblahblah blahblahblahah
If that changes, then Greece can easily send a team that can beat Spain, USA, or anyone else

Other than the unsettled issue of the federation refusing to insure players (which would ban just about all of the best Greek players), the only top Greek player that has for sure said he will not play this summer is Stratos Perperoglou.

He plays at the wing position, and due to his refusing to play this summer, the coach of the team said that he will give Giannis Antetokounmpo a chance to make the team then.
PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Nick Calathes
SG Nikos Zisis/Giannis Antetokounmpo
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Thanasis Antetokounmpo
PF Georgios Printezis/Kosta Koufos/Kostas Kaimakoglou
C Ioannis Bourousis/Sofoklis Schortsanitis/Loukas Mavrokefalidis

That's just missing Perperoglou, who should be there instead of Giannis, but that's still enough to beat anyone.

A team with a 12 of something like that (if Spanoulis is able to play - he has a knee injury right now, blah blah blah B]that is a much more able coach than Greece had in recent years[/B], would EASILY be enough to compete with Spain, USA, or anyone else.

In fact, such a team would automatically be better than France (even with Parker), Lithuania, Serbia, Argentina (with all of their best players), Brazil etc.

So STFU moron. Such a team would be Spain's worst nightmare at the semifinals. And it's much better than any team Greece played with against USA before, and numerous times in the past, Greece gave USA trouble with lesser teams than that.

So piss off. You better hope like hell that the Greek federation does not pony up the money to insure the good Greek players, and that Spanoulis' knee is not healthy enough to play. Because they have plenty of players and a good coach now.

Lmaoooo this is a real person?!? Wow omg.... **** this board

Euroleague

06-24-2014, 06:39 PM

Getting older by the year. Not sure that team even challenges for the Gold.

The two best and key players by far were always Pay Gasol and Juan Carlos Navarro. Of course now neither one of them does much consistently. They are pretty washed up now.

They can have a good game here or there, or maybe even a couple in a row, but that's about it. Navarro could still play well, if he has a lot of days off in between games so that won't work in a tournament like this.

Rubio and Claver still suck. San Emeterio has had a lot of injury problems in recent years and he's not the same player he used to be either.

Calderon is older and is nearing washed up status also, and of course still can't guard anyone.

That team is probably based in

Sergio Rodriguez
Sergio Llull
Rudy Fernandez
Felipe Reyes
Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

It's like Real Madrid, and they would play a same style with their coach.

So maybe Pau Gasol could handle a small role in the team, something like Nikola Mirotic plays in Real Madrid.

I'm not sure about Navarro though. But maybe they could just start him and reduce his minutes a lot and let Llull take over his role, and maybe he could play a role something like Jaycee Caroll plays in Real Madrid.

Or maybe they would let Navarro keep his bigger role and just use Calderon like in a Jaycee Caroll way instead (designated shooter).

So those above 6 guys, then with Pau and Navarro something in roles like that, and then San Emeterio could handle a role like Tremell Darden plays in Real Madrid and Rubio could take the role of Dontaye Draper in that team, of playing 8-10 minutes a game if needed as a defensive specialist.

But basically, that's what it looks like. It basically looks like Real Madrid's team.

Euroleague

06-24-2014, 06:41 PM

They are old,but otoh i dont see any other great teams being capable of challenging them especially on home.And thanks to a rather "strange" tournament format they wont meet USA until the final.

By the way it's hillarious how Argentina still relies on their 2004 core.Nocioni,Prigioni,Ginobili,Scola,they even bring Walter Herman back!!!Holly molly,this team is ANCIENT.

There are all kinds of teams that can "challenge" Spain.

As for Argentina, if you watch FIBA Americas, they struggle like hell to even compete against teams like Puerto Rico.

AboutBuckets

06-24-2014, 08:58 PM

Greece can easily send a team that can beat Spain, USA, or anyone else.

STOP TROLLING.

.................................................

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Nick Calathes
SG Nikos Zisis/Giannis Antetokounmpo
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Thanasis Antetokounmpo
PF Georgios Printezis/Kosta Koufos/Kostas Kaimakoglou
C Ioannis Bourousis/Sofoklis Schortsanitis/Loukas Mavrokefalidis

That's just missing Perperoglou, who should be there instead of Giannis, but that's still enough to beat anyone.

.[/B]

:roll: :roll: :roll: That statement. Those names. :roll: :roll: :roll:

outbreak

06-24-2014, 09:05 PM

:roll: :roll: :roll: That statement. Those names. :roll: :roll: :roll:
that line up would create some crazy mismatches though, imagine the trouble the USA team would have dropping their speed back a gear to not over run the greeks.

AboutBuckets

06-24-2014, 09:07 PM

that line up would create some crazy mismatches though, imagine the trouble the USA team would have dropping their speed back a gear to not over run the greeks.

Kind of how CP3 abruptly slows down in transition to draw a trailing defender to collide into him from behind, except unintentional for the Greeks

RoundMoundOfReb

06-24-2014, 09:09 PM

Euroleague: Which NBA team do you root for?

alenleomessi

06-24-2014, 09:17 PM

im predicting a disaster WC like their football compatriots
key players are old and their rosters has barely any changes since like 2008.. need some young blood

gabepizza

06-24-2014, 10:44 PM

Greek clubs at the moment are in an enormous fight with the Greek federation. Because the federation refuses to pay insurance for the players.

If they continue to refuse to insure the players, then no one knows what kind of team Greece would have.

If that changes, then Greece can easily send a team that can beat Spain, USA, or anyone else.

STOP TROLLING.

Other than the unsettled issue of the federation refusing to insure players (which would ban just about all of the best Greek players), the only top Greek player that has for sure said he will not play this summer is Stratos Perperoglou.

He plays at the wing position, and due to his refusing to play this summer, the coach of the team said that he will give Giannis Antetokounmpo a chance to make the team then.

So,

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Nick Calathes
SG Nikos Zisis/Giannis Antetokounmpo
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Thanasis Antetokounmpo
PF Georgios Printezis/Kosta Koufos/Kostas Kaimakoglou
C Ioannis Bourousis/Sofoklis Schortsanitis/Loukas Mavrokefalidis

That's just missing Perperoglou, who should be there instead of Giannis, but that's still enough to beat anyone.

A team with a 12 of something like that (if Spanoulis is able to play - he has a knee injury right now, but nothing has officially been announced yet about him not playing), with the new coach, Fotis Katsikaris, that is a much more able coach than Greece had in recent years, would EASILY be enough to compete with Spain, USA, or anyone else.

In fact, such a team would automatically be better than France (even with Parker), Lithuania, Serbia, Argentina (with all of their best players), Brazil etc.

So STFU moron. Such a team would be Spain's worst nightmare at the semifinals. And it's much better than any team Greece played with against USA before, and numerous times in the past, Greece gave USA trouble with lesser teams than that.

So piss off. You better hope like hell that the Greek federation does not pony up the money to insure the good Greek players, and that Spanoulis' knee is not healthy enough to play. Because they have plenty of players and a good coach now.

Anything better then an 11th place victory would be successful for that Greek team of scrubs that have got ass whoppings from Nigeria and Finland in recent competitions.

Oly BC

06-24-2014, 10:56 PM

Spain announced their roster:

PG Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez/Ricky Rubio
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Fernando San Emeterio
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka
Easy gold, many americans are sadly deluded.

I don't even see a medal for them if they go there with Rose and the like.

Oly BC

06-24-2014, 11:01 PM

That team is probably based in

Sergio Rodriguez
Sergio Llull
Rudy Fernandez
Felipe Reyes
Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

It's like Real Madrid, and they would play a same style with their coach.

So maybe Pau Gasol could handle a small role in the team, something like Nikola Mirotic plays in Real Madrid.

I'm not sure about Navarro though. But maybe they could just start him and reduce his minutes a lot and let Llull take over his role, and maybe he could play a role something like Jaycee Caroll plays in Real Madrid.

Or maybe they would let Navarro keep his bigger role and just use Calderon like in a Jaycee Caroll way instead (designated shooter).

So those above 6 guys, then with Pau and Navarro something in roles like that, and then San Emeterio could handle a role like Tremell Darden plays in Real Madrid and Rubio could take the role of Dontaye Draper in that team, of playing 8-10 minutes a game if needed as a defensive specialist.

But basically, that's what it looks like. It basically looks like Real Madrid's team.
Correct, homogeneous and has the crowd support.

Oly BC

06-24-2014, 11:03 PM

stalkerforlife

06-24-2014, 11:04 PM

Gold medal since Kobe won't be there to save team USA.

Oly BC

06-24-2014, 11:07 PM

you didn't quote the entire post he made. He is right that out of the countries listed as "first world" the USA is pretty low on the list for actual living standards for the majority of the population. That being said Greece is a complete shit heap right now, I work with a greek woman who went back their a year or so ago and was telling us about her experiences. Sounded like a war zone they got robbed by soldiers with sub machine guns twice while travelling. Apparently their miltary don't get paid enough money so they make money by shaking down tourists by taking their passports until they are paid off and threatening to arrest them for being in the country illegally.

Anyway the spanish team looks pretty solid, I douubt Greece would beat them.
Of course it could with a full roster. Freaking Cavaddas got plenty of minutes against Mark Gasol and did just fine last eurobasket (with Greece winning). Cavaddas!

They still have the disadvantage of many inferior nba players, bad guards, dinosaur-centers and the like. If I could I'd only bring Ibaka over here, now that's a euroleague caliber center:applause:

Oly BC

06-24-2014, 11:08 PM

you didn't quote the entire post he made. He is right that out of the countries listed as "first world" the USA is pretty low on the list for actual living standards for the majority of the population. That being said Greece is a complete shit heap right now, I work with a greek woman who went back their a year or so ago and was telling us about her experiences. Sounded like a war zone they got robbed by soldiers with sub machine guns twice while travelling. Apparently their miltary don't get paid enough money so they make money by shaking down tourists by taking their passports until they are paid off and threatening to arrest them for being in the country illegally.

Anyway the spanish team looks pretty solid, I douubt Greece would beat them.
Be honest, you ripped the story off that inbetweeners movie, right?

Oly BC

06-24-2014, 11:11 PM

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Nick Calathes
SG Nikos Zisis/Giannis Antetokounmpo
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Thanasis Antetokounmpo
PF Georgios Printezis/Kosta Koufos/Kostas Kaimakoglou
C Ioannis Bourousis/Sofoklis Schortsanitis/Loukas Mavrokefalidis

Sloukas and Mantzaris in, Zisis and definitely Thanasis out (a sf shooting 30% from the 3 getting minutes? ), I'd prefer Papapetrou.

Also, no Mavrokefalidis. Perperoglou is a big loss though.

hawksdogsbraves

06-24-2014, 11:17 PM

outbreak

06-24-2014, 11:23 PM

Be honest, you ripped the story off that inbetweeners movie, right?

don't even know what movie your talking about.

dubeta

06-25-2014, 12:34 AM

Anything happening in Euro basketball doesnt really concern me. Heck a lazy ass like me could probably train for a week and end up winning league MVP there. The land of scrubs.

Bargnani is a huge scrub here, but their they probably have statues of him and worship him.

Bosnian Sajo

06-25-2014, 01:33 AM

NINE NBA PLAYERS, 10, if you count Llull (NBA draft pick that Daryl Morey drools over some truly BIZARRE reason).

I only see 5 active :confusedshrug:

qrich

06-25-2014, 01:36 AM

NINE NBA PLAYERS, 10, if you count Llull (NBA draft pick that Daryl Morey drools over some truly BIZARRE reason).

Four or five guys that were not able to cut it in the NBA as well.

-Lebron23-

06-25-2014, 04:53 AM

Trotting out Rudy Fernandez to match up with LeBron / Durant could be a problem
Pretty sure they'd play zone against US.

Oly BC

06-25-2014, 06:57 AM

Don't want to get too off topic but Greece is the first and only country to be reclassified from a 'developed nation' to an 'emerging market'. That essentially means it stopped being considered a first world country.
It means that the value of the stockmarket is less atm, it will go back up again, no need to worry.:sleeping

hawksdogsbraves

06-25-2014, 10:15 AM

It means that the value of the stockmarket is less atm, it will go back up again, no need to worry.:sleeping

Yeah if Germany keeps being your sugar daddy :sleeping

Oly BC

06-25-2014, 02:21 PM

Yeah if Germany keeps being your sugar daddy :sleeping
Germany>>>USA, in culture, standard of living, cars.

Euroleague

06-25-2014, 07:41 PM

Easy gold, many americans are sadly deluded.

I don't even see a medal for them if they go there with Rose and the like.

You forget though that USA is now also not just rigging the games, they are also now rigging even the brackets also.

So now they rig the bracket so they don't even have a real game until the semifinal, and more importantly, so that ALL the real challengers are on the other side of the bracket.

I mean really, every team that would really be a threat to them was placed on purpose (by rigging) on the OTHER side of the bracket.

So yeah, if they were not totally rigging these tournaments, that's true.

I think after the last tournament, the rigging was so outrageous, since that team could have never ever won without all the rigging - they don't even get past Russia at the 1/16 finals without the ref rigging for example, that they now figured it's better to rig the bracket instead.

That way it looks less suspicious, if they get caught or someone admits to it. They figure USA can beat all those cream puff teams without ref rigging by fixing the brackets, then they can just rig the last two games through the refs.

Less suspicious than rigging almost the whole tournament through the refs.

Of course, if USA was in the other bracket, and had 50/50 reffing, they would have no chance in hell of getting to the final if they had a team like they did in 2010.

But yeah, the NBA fans are completely delusional to the point as to where they can't even comprehend that even though they can see every game is rigged with their own eyes.

Euroleague

06-25-2014, 07:51 PM

Sloukas and Mantzaris in, Zisis and definitely Thanasis out (a sf shooting 30% from the 3 getting minutes? ), I'd prefer Papapetrou.

Also, no Mavrokefalidis. Perperoglou is a big loss though.

Mavrokefalidis is needed because Bourousis and Sofo can only play limited minutes if they play at their maximum. Otherwise they won't be playing their best on defense and rebounind, being worried about fouls.

I have Thanasis in there for his energy. He has the greatest motor of any pro player in the world. So that should be used.

Zisis is still the 2nd best offensive player and scorer Greece has after Spanoulis. Mantzaris can't score and he can't create his own shot.

Sloukas is very talented, but he's not Zisis. He's a complimentary player. He can't take over a game like Zisis can.

Greece's weakness is that teams just double and triple team Spanoulis, so they need as much offense and as much scoring, and shot creation as possible. So in no way can they afford to keep their second best offensive player (Zisis) out of the team, especially with Perperoglou not playing, since he's much better on offense than Giannis is, so they already lost scoring right there.

Euroleague

06-25-2014, 07:57 PM

Don't want to get too off topic but Greece is the first and only country to be reclassified from a 'developed nation' to an 'emerging market'. That essentially means it stopped being considered a first world country.

As already pointed out, USA is the only country among the top industrialized western nations where the average person has standard of living that is typically found in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

So what exactly is your point?

Euroleague

06-25-2014, 08:00 PM

Four or five guys that were not able to cut it in the NBA as well.

Ah, the mind of the deranged lunatic NBA only fans...where declining NBA contracts after being NBA rotation players, in order to play in Euroleague BY CHOICE =

"not cutting it in the NBA".

go take your meds.

Euroleague

06-25-2014, 08:02 PM

Yeah if Germany keeps being your sugar daddy :sleeping

How is that $210 trillion debt the USA has going these days?

How is that debt to China going these days?

How are the bank bailouts going these days?

I am going to estimate your IQ at about 60.

hawksdogsbraves

06-25-2014, 09:11 PM

You forget though that USA is now also not just rigging the games, they are also now rigging even the brackets also.

So now they rig the bracket so they don't even have a real game until the semifinal, and more importantly, so that ALL the real challengers are on the other side of the bracket.

I mean really, every team that would really be a threat to them was placed on purpose (by rigging) on the OTHER side of the bracket.

So yeah, if they were not totally rigging these tournaments, that's true.

I think after the last tournament, the rigging was so outrageous, since that team could have never ever won without all the rigging - they don't even get past Russia at the 1/16 finals without the ref rigging for example, that they now figured it's better to rig the bracket instead.

That way it looks less suspicious, if they get caught or someone admits to it. They figure USA can beat all those cream puff teams without ref rigging by fixing the brackets, then they can just rig the last two games through the refs.

Less suspicious than rigging almost the whole tournament through the refs.

Of course, if USA was in the other bracket, and had 50/50 reffing, they would have no chance in hell of getting to the final if they had a team like they did in 2010.

But yeah, the NBA fans are completely delusional to the point as to where they can't even comprehend that even though they can see every game is rigged with their own eyes.

Come on, making your excuses before the tournament even starts? You at least used to pretend to be cocky before these things.

I guess when the only competition is starting Rudy Fernandez at SF you kind of have to come to terms with the fact that there's not going to be much competition for the USA.

And the economics trolling isn't going to work, if you can't understand the depth of Greece's financial problems then you aren't worth debating on that subject.

Dr.J4ever

06-25-2014, 10:06 PM

Come on, making your excuses before the tournament even starts? You at least used to pretend to be cocky before these things.

I guess when the only competition is starting Rudy Fernandez at SF you kind of have to come to terms with the fact that there's not going to be much competition for the USA.

And the economics trolling isn't going to work, if you can't understand the depth of Greece's financial problems then you aren't worth debating on that subject.

Just for fun, count the number of times he used the word "rig" or "rigging". I did, and it was 12 times, by my count. A little overkill?:lol :roll:

Euroleague

06-26-2014, 09:18 AM

Euroleague

06-26-2014, 09:19 AM

Just for fun, count the number of times he used the word "rig" or "rigging". I did, and it was 12 times, by my count. A little overkill?:lol :roll:

Just for fun, let's count the number of times you lie here on a daily basis...

:facepalm

BoutPractice

06-26-2014, 09:40 AM

http://www.junkbucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Arkansas-300x213.jpg

http://www.lindleybrahmans.com/images/Story558%203.jpg

gabepizza

06-26-2014, 01:08 PM

Germany>>>USA, in culture, standard of living, cars.

Yes because we all know how popular German movies, music and culture is around the world. Especially their comedians.

Le Shaqtus

06-26-2014, 01:10 PM

Germany>>>USA, in culture, standard of living, cars.

If that were the case I would have moved to Germany.

Murica>>

D-FENS

06-26-2014, 01:28 PM

Calderon is their starter, Rubio is their 3rd string. Rodriguez is their best point guard, and comes off the bench.

STOP TROLLING.

Rubio 3rd string? Look how many minutes he played whe nhe was 17 in 2008, and look at his minutes in 2009 at Euro Basket.

You can't even watch games like this in Arkansas.

ralph_i_el

06-26-2014, 01:34 PM

The two best and key players by far were always Pay Gasol and Juan Carlos Navarro. Of course now neither one of them does much consistently. They are pretty washed up now.

They can have a good game here or there, or maybe even a couple in a row, but that's about it. Navarro could still play well, if he has a lot of days off in between games so that won't work in a tournament like this.

Rubio and Claver still suck. San Emeterio has had a lot of injury problems in recent years and he's not the same player he used to be either.

Calderon is older and is nearing washed up status also, and of course still can't guard anyone.

That team is probably based in

Sergio Rodriguez
Sergio Llull
Rudy Fernandez
Felipe Reyes
Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

It's like Real Madrid, and they would play a same style with their coach.

So maybe Pau Gasol could handle a small role in the team, something like Nikola Mirotic plays in Real Madrid.

I'm not sure about Navarro though. But maybe they could just start him and reduce his minutes a lot and let Llull take over his role, and maybe he could play a role something like Jaycee Caroll plays in Real Madrid.

Or maybe they would let Navarro keep his bigger role and just use Calderon like in a Jaycee Caroll way instead (designated shooter).

So those above 6 guys, then with Pau and Navarro something in roles like that, and then San Emeterio could handle a role like Tremell Darden plays in Real Madrid and Rubio could take the role of Dontaye Draper in that team, of playing 8-10 minutes a game if needed as a defensive specialist.

But basically, that's what it looks like. It basically looks like Real Madrid's team.
Pau isn't going to look washed up for Spain imo. He's had no motivation and poor coaching the last few years in LA. Remember his 3rd quarter against the US in 2012?

Euroleague

06-26-2014, 02:47 PM

Rubio 3rd string? Look how many minutes he played whe nhe was 17 in 2008, and look at his minutes in 2009 at Euro Basket.

This guy is officially even dumber than gabepizza and Dr.J4ever.

Euroleague

06-26-2014, 02:51 PM

Pau isn't going to look washed up for Spain imo. He's had no motivation and poor coaching the last few years in LA. Remember his 3rd quarter against the US in 2012?

That's true, but what is also true is that he has been physically regressing and constantly injured for years now.

He simply is not close to the player he was in 2012. Neither is Navarro. So even with the motivation, he might not be physically capable anymore.

And Spain has pretty questionable coaches. Scariolo was a very mediocre coach, and so is there new coach Orenga.

If Spain had a decent coach (something they did NOT have), they would have beat the USA in 2012. Scariolo made tons of mistakes, and he's a better coach than Orenga, their current coach.

So I'm not sure how coaching would matter.

Milbuck

06-26-2014, 02:55 PM

Calderon is from Argentina :facepalm

Also, Rubio is not going to be their 3rd string, he's starting :roll:

Oly BC

06-26-2014, 03:33 PM

Yes because we all know how popular German movies, music and culture is around the world. Especially their comedians.
Yes, do the Germans have an answer for Michael Bay? No, therefore inferior culture, philosophy be damned.

Euroleague

06-26-2014, 03:51 PM

Calderon is from Argentina :facepalm

Also, Rubio is not going to be their 3rd string, he's starting :roll:

He's never ever started unless their other main guards didn't play. When they did, he's been a 3rd string.

And for the 1,000th time, ONLY THE NBA still uses the archaic outdated "starters and bench".

It's not used in European basketball.

Just as Fiba said, Rodriguez is their BEST POINT GUARD and he comes off the bench.

NBA only fans.............................good god, it's like talking to kindergartners.

And Calderon is from Argentina? Put down the crack pipe.

Euroleague

06-26-2014, 03:55 PM

Yes, do the Germans have an answer for Michael Bay? No, therefore inferior culture, philosophy be damned.

Americans are just jealous of the German's culturally, because the Germans invented things like right wing talk radio and Fox News.

Fork

06-26-2014, 04:00 PM

Who cares about the Euroleague?

ThemBombs

06-28-2014, 01:22 AM

Americans are just jealous of the German's culturally, because the Germans invented things like right wing talk radio and Fox News.
once again, kill yourself

CavaliersFTW

06-28-2014, 01:24 AM

Americans are just jealous of the German's culturally, because the Germans invented things like right wing talk radio and Fox News.
:hammerhead:

outbreak

06-28-2014, 01:32 AM

He's never ever started unless their other main guards didn't play. When they did, he's been a 3rd string.

And for the 1,000th time, ONLY THE NBA still uses the archaic outdated "starters and bench".

It's not used in European basketball.

Just as Fiba said, Rodriguez is their BEST POINT GUARD and he comes off the bench.

NBA only fans.............................good god, it's like talking to kindergartners.

And Calderon is from Argentina? Put down the crack pipe.

:biggums:

while i agree it isn't important who starts and who comes off the bench you have to realise they use those terms in euroleague. I watched a few final four games and every single one of them the presenters talked about the starters and the bench when talking about the line ups. It's a common term.....

(e)

06-28-2014, 01:35 AM

Euroleague is for real the best troll this site has.

duskovujosevic

06-28-2014, 01:58 AM

Spain announced their roster:

PG Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez/Ricky Rubio
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Fernando San Emeterio
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

last chance for this generation. best european team after 1995-2002 yugoslavia

Oly BC

06-28-2014, 07:34 AM

Americans are just jealous of the German's culturally, because the Germans invented things like right wing talk radio and Fox News.
:roll:

Oly BC

06-28-2014, 07:37 AM

:biggums:

while i agree it isn't important who starts and who comes off the bench you have to realise they use those terms in euroleague. I watched a few final four games and every single one of them the presenters talked about the starters and the bench when talking about the line ups. It's a common term.....
Of course it's a term but it's devoid of substance other than seeing which team has the deepest roster.

For example "garbage minutes" isn't a term but it's what probably signifies the difference between starters and bench players in the NBA.

Euroleague

07-01-2014, 09:51 AM

Before they made the final selection, Spain decided to replace Fernando San Emeterio with Alex Abrines (OKC Thunder draft pick).

Abrines is a lot more athletic and he's a better 3 point shooter. But he's not as good on defense and he's not as good at creating his own shot. But he probably fits better in the team as a role player.

Spain also confirmed in their final selection that Serge Ibaka will continue to be their lone naturalized player in the team in future tournaments, instead of Nikola Mirotic.

So, Spain's final roster for the 2014 FIBA World Cup will look like this:

PG Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez/Ricky Rubio
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Alex Abrines
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

hawksdogsbraves

07-01-2014, 10:56 AM

Before they made the final selection, Spain decided to replace Fernando San Emeterio with Alex Abrines (OKC Thunder draft pick).

Abrines is a lot more athletic and he's a better 3 point shooter. But he's not as good on defense and he's not as good t creating his own shot. But he probably fits better in the team as a role player.

Spain also confirmed in their final selection that Serge Ibaka will continue to be their lone naturalized player in the team in future tournaments, instead of Nikola Mirotic.

So, Spain's final roster for the 2014 FIBA World Cup will look like this:

PG Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez/Ricky Rubio
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Alex Abrines
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

Solid front court, but my god the rest of that team sucks so much :facepalm

BlazerRed

07-01-2014, 10:59 AM

I wonder who this guy's main is.. no way people have gotten him to green bars, he's clearly repping himself.

GimmeThat

07-01-2014, 11:17 AM

Spain announced their roster:

PG Jose Calderon/Sergio Rodriguez/Ricky Rubio
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sergio Llull
SF Rudy Fernandez/Alex Abrines
PF Pau Gasol/Felipe Reyes/Victor Claver
C Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka

that's a great roster for international competition.

I think Calderon's passing ability/shooting ability as well as Navarro and Fernandez's cutting ability might allow them to play 3/4 of the whole half court. Which leaves enough space for the Gasol brothers to roam the paint.

As well as really stretch the opposing teams defense to much further out then the college 3 point line, or even the NBA 3 point line.

In international plays, scoring 70-80 generally is enough to win the game, even if its against the US if your defense is good enough to contain them, which is mostly going to involve preventing them from grabbing offensive rebounds.

If they are in game shape for the FIBA World Cup, nothing implies they won't have a great shot at winning it all.

Euroleague

07-01-2014, 01:09 PM

I wonder who this guy's main is.. no way people have gotten him to green bars, he's clearly repping himself.

LIES

Euroleague

07-01-2014, 01:11 PM

that's a great roster for international competition.

I think Calderon's passing ability/shooting ability as well as Navarro and Fernandez's cutting ability might allow them to play 3/4 of the whole half court. Which leaves enough space for the Gasol brothers to roam the paint.

As well as really stretch the opposing teams defense to much further out then the college 3 point line, or even the NBA 3 point line.

In international plays, scoring 70-80 generally is enough to win the game, even if its against the US if your defense is good enough to contain them, which is mostly going to involve preventing them from grabbing offensive rebounds.

If they are in game shape for the FIBA World Cup, nothing implies they won't have a great shot at winning it all.

Except that Spain usually gives up over 100 points when they play against the USA.

Nash

07-01-2014, 01:15 PM

Except that Spain usually gives up over 100 points when they play against the USA.
cuz usa iz da bess

Rooster

07-01-2014, 01:23 PM

cuz usa iz da bess

True that.:applause:

Case in point . A scrub like Mike Batiste will never make the So Cal team but in Europe, he is an all Euroleague Team and a legend.:oldlol:

RRR3

07-01-2014, 01:26 PM

If I grew up in a small town in Arkansas where everyone is related I might be lead to believe the same thing.
:roll:

Le Shaqtus

07-01-2014, 01:28 PM

Euroleague with 3 green bars :roll: thats my day made.

Euroleague

07-01-2014, 01:28 PM

True that.:applause:

Case in point . A scrub like Mike Batiste will never make the So Cal team but in Europe, he is an all Euroleague Team and a legend.:oldlol:

The only place Mike Batiste is a legend is in your own mind.

Your trolling schtick is really lame.

Nothing you say is even remotely coherent, not even by accident.

Rooster

07-01-2014, 01:28 PM

Solid front court, but my god the rest of that team sucks so much :facepalm

I agree but the NBA players are good. Sergio look much better now after he failed playing against the best.:oldlol:

Euroleague

07-01-2014, 01:34 PM

cuz usa iz da bess

It's actually because Spain feels the USA is one of, or even the worst team defensively in any of these tournaments that they play. So they run up and down the court as much as possible with them, trying to run up the score in a shoot out.

It has nothing to do with USA being the best, it's Spain's belief that they don't play defense.

It's probably a bad strategy, but that's how Spain usually plays them.

hawksdogsbraves

07-01-2014, 01:54 PM

that's a great roster for international competition.

I think Calderon's passing ability/shooting ability as well as Navarro and Fernandez's cutting ability might allow them to play 3/4 of the whole half court. Which leaves enough space for the Gasol brothers to roam the paint.

As well as really stretch the opposing teams defense to much further out then the college 3 point line, or even the NBA 3 point line.

In international plays, scoring 70-80 generally is enough to win the game, even if its against the US if your defense is good enough to contain them, which is mostly going to involve preventing them from grabbing offensive rebounds.

If they are in game shape for the FIBA World Cup, nothing implies they won't have a great shot at winning it all.

They're going to get shredded by the U.S. wings and guards though. Calderon is a notoriously bad defender, and good luck to Rudy Fernandez locking down KD all game.

Rooster

07-01-2014, 01:57 PM

The only place Mike Batiste is a legend is in your own mind.

Your trolling schtick is really lame.

Nothing you say is even remotely coherent, not even by accident.

http://www.euroleague.net/one-team/news/i/127061/6351/mike-batiste-new-one-team-ambassador-donates-book-proceeds

Mike Batiste, a three-time Euroleague champion and the competition's fourth-ranked scorer this century, was recently named the One Team Ambassador for Panathinaikos Athens, whose project helps children from the Ark of the World, an organization that takes care of children living in conditions of neglect, the majority of them from single-parent families, who have experienced abandonment, racism and social exclusion in one of the most deprived areas of Athens.

His new role in One Team coincides with the publication of Batiste's autobiography, "Mike Batiste: The Story of a Champion", which traces his path from the dangerous streets of his native California to become a legend in Euroleague Basketball and a hero to Panathiniakos fans.

Oly BC

07-01-2014, 02:40 PM

They're going to get shredded by the U.S. wings and guards though. Calderon is a notoriously bad defender, and good luck to Rudy Fernandez locking down KD all game.
If the US make it to the final (I doubt it), they'll go down really badly.

Euroleague

07-01-2014, 06:10 PM

http://www.euroleague.net/one-team/news/i/127061/6351/mike-batiste-new-one-team-ambassador-donates-book-proceeds

Mike Batiste, a three-time Euroleague champion and the competition's fourth-ranked scorer this century, was recently named the One Team Ambassador for Panathinaikos Athens, whose project helps children from the Ark of the World, an organization that takes care of children living in conditions of neglect, the majority of them from single-parent families, who have experienced abandonment, racism and social exclusion in one of the most deprived areas of Athens.

His new role in One Team coincides with the publication of Batiste's autobiography, "Mike Batiste: The Story of a Champion", which traces his path from the dangerous streets of his native California to become a legend in Euroleague Basketball and a hero to Panathiniakos fans.

Like I said, he's a "legend" only in your mind. Lay off the drugs.

Euroleague

07-01-2014, 06:12 PM

They're going to get shredded by the U.S. wings and guards though. Calderon is a notoriously bad defender, and good luck to Rudy Fernandez locking down KD all game.

Durant usually plays power forward for the USA. Besides that, obviously Spain wouldn't use Rudy to guard him if he was playing small forward.

Of course they would use someone like Ibaka or Claver to guard him. Stop being outright silly.

Skyscraper

07-01-2014, 07:13 PM

First World Country: What US called itself and its allies in the Cold War
Second World Country: What US called Soviet Union
Third World Country: What US called everyone else.

Bottom line:

THese terms are too US centric

We should look at National Credit Ratings instead... oh wait US doesn't have Triple A anymore??

chips93

07-01-2014, 07:16 PM

just booked my tickets to see usa round of 16 and quarter finals matches

:cheers:

they better win their group though

Euroleague

07-02-2014, 11:08 AM

dr.hee

07-02-2014, 11:13 AM

If it went by IQ, US would be last.

At least their average IQ is higher than that of minor league countries like Greece :cheers:

Euroleague

07-02-2014, 11:37 AM

At least their average IQ is higher than that of minor league countries like Greece :cheers:

No, it isn't. USA is graded on a large bell curve by the IQ scale, due to all of the nuclear fallout and radiation.

This should be common knowledge, but the IQ there is so low, that it of course isn't.

The average IQ is only 83, due to all of the fallout and radiation, that then is bell curved up to an extreme degree.

Again, it would be common knowledge in a populace that was not completely retarded.

hawksdogsbraves

07-02-2014, 11:39 AM

No, it isn't. USA is graded on a large bell curve by the IQ scale, due to all of the nuclear fallout and radiation.

This should be common knowledge, but the IQ there is so low, that it of course isn't.

The average IQ is only 83, due to all of the fallout and radiation, that then is bell curved up to an extreme degree.

Again, it would be common knowledge in a populace that was not completely retarded.

Would you assume the average IQ of some place like, oh I don't know, backwoods Arkansas, to be higher or lower than the national average?

Euroleague

07-02-2014, 11:43 AM

Would you assume the average IQ of some place like, oh I don't know, backwoods Arkansas, to be higher or lower than the national average?

Average IQ in Arkansas is lower than the national average to about the same. "Backwoods Arkansas" probably does not matter.

For example, using the ACTUAL IQ numbers, and not the bell curved ones, Arkansas IQ on average is about 81-83, depending on which half of the state. Overall USA is 83. So, it's basically the same really, because either way, it's within the margin of error and other factors.