A big reason Shaq is overrated and not better than Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, etc.

[stalkerforlife]

Games missed. To be honest, he was a lazy fat ass.

He has never once played a full 82 game season. He has missed 300+ regular season games in his career. He has missed 20+ games in a season 7 times. His durability and discipline were embarrassing throughout his career at times. He played in less than 80% of regular season games, which is a very low rate for players that played 1,000+ games. For example, Antonio McDyess played more and he had career threatening knee issues. His defense was suspect throughout his career, as he only made three ALL-DEFENSIVE teams and they were all second team.

Shaq was great when he played, no doubt, but you can't reward a player of his laziness with a to 5 all time status. Maybe not even top 10. And definitely not better than Kobe, Duncan, and Hakeem.

[bigkingsfan]

That lazy fat ass carried a sidekick to three titles.

[stalkerforlife]

That lazy fat ass carried a sidekick to three titles.

He played better in the finals against the weak east opponents, yes. However, the real finals were usually played in the west and Kobe was right on par with Shaq a lot of the time.

[navy]

He played better in the finals against the weak east opponents, yes. However, the real finals were usually played in the west and Kobe was right on par with Shaq a lot of the time.
No, the real finals are the real finals.

If the East was so weak Kobe should have elevated his game and performed better against the competition :confusedshrug: .

[Genaro]

Don't matter how he did, fact is: he is a top 10 player of all time.
And to be honest, if he wasn't lazy, overweight and cared more, we maybe would be talking about him as a top 3 player all time.

[Rodmantheman]

negged

[Bless Mathews]

Don't hate on Shaq fu.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Agree on various topics there but he's still a top10 player of all-time with a top5 peak, arguably the GOAT peak, and still pretty good longevity, plus let's not forget all of the times he went ham in the post-season, or how big he was doing it...

[stalkerforlife]

Agree on various topics there but he's still a top10 player of all-time with a top5 peak, arguably the GOAT peak, and still pretty good longevity, plus let's not forget all of the times he went ham in the post-season, or how big he was doing it...

You're a great poster and I am sorry if I hurt you.

Shaq was amazing while on the court, especially in the finals.

[SOD 21]

Shaq had the potential to be the best player in the history of the game based on his size, strength, athleticism, skill and explosiveness. He was simply a monster!

With that said, he is solidly ranked as a top 10 player all-time and most have him ranked somewhere about 6-9 all-time. He probably underachieve based on talent alone, but regardless is still an all-time great.

[dubeta]

Shaq for 50 games a season is still > Kobe for 82

[NumberSix]

He played better in the finals against the weak east opponents, yes. However, the real finals were usually played in the west and Kobe was right on par with Shaq a lot of the time.
If the Finals teams were so weak, why didn't Kobe perform on the big stage? Stage fright? :confusedshrug:

[GimmeThat]

I have decided to create a new category called Center.
for those whose body had misdeveloped and into form/shape/sizes ordinary people wouldn't, which is why they miss a lot of games.

for everything/everyone else, we will call them power forward.

[Lebron23]

He's still a better player than Kobe, and he still has the better NBA Career. Shaq could have been a 4x NBA Finals MVP. I think he deserves it over Nash in 2005, over Iverson in 2001, and Robinson in 1995.

[RichieW]

If Shaq had the work ethic of Duncan, Kobe or any of the other all time greats, he could have been greater than Jordan, Kareem or Russell.

He's still an all time great player, but had the potential to be even more. Incredible to think about.

[red1]

shaq>>kobe

[TheMarkMadsen]

Shaq is top 10 but is overrated by the general public.

He wasn't able to win with Penny when he was easily the 2nd best guard in the league and never won anything as the man before or after Kobe.

I mean lets be real if Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem or Lebron was unable to make the finals with 3 all star teammates on the same team in the same year (NVE, Jones, Kobe) they would catch so much shit for it.

And if any of those guys were unable to beat their biggest postiional competition without an all nba player by their side in the playoffs WHILE BEING OUTSOCRED by their "sidekick" on better percentages they would be ridiculed to no end..

(Shaq lost to Duncans team in 99, Duncan was injured in 2000, Kobe OUTSOCRED and OUT PRODUCED SHAQ against the spurs in 01 & 02..)


2001 WCF:

Kobe: 33/7/7 on 57% TS

Shaq: 27/13/3 on 55% TS

2002 WCSF ( VS Spurs)

Kobe: 26/5/5 on 49% TS

Shaq: 21/12/3 on 49% TS

And this is during his so called "MDE" period

Imagine wade putting up those numbers next to bran, or Pau next to Kobe and then somebody claiming Kobe or Bran was the "MDE" during that stretch..

That poster would be laughed off of ISH..

[Lebron23]

shaq>>kobe

THIS

[bigkingsfan]

He wasn't able to win with Penny when he was easily the 2nd best guard in the league and never won anything as the man before or after Kobe.


They played together for three years. :facepalm

[Reggie43]

So glad that I was able to watch Shaq in his prime because it is really very hard to explain his impact to someone who never saw it. Anything you say would sound absurd to todays fan.

[TheMarkMadsen]

They played together for three years. :facepalm

And Penny was all NBA first team for 2/3 of those years...

Pau was all nba 3rd team for the 2/3 years from 08-10 and Kobe won 2 rings and made 3 finals in that span

[bigkingsfan]

And Penny was all NBA first team for 2/3 of those years...

Pau was all nba 3rd team for the 2/3 years from 08-10 and Kobe won 2 rings and made 3 finals in that span

How did Shaq and Kobe do in the first three years? :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

How did Shaq and Kobe do in the first three years? :roll:

They didnt do shit until Kobe became arguably the best guard in the league even tho prior to that Shaq had 2 all star guards on the same team at the same time in LA with Eddie Jones & NVE..

Which makes my point :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

They didnt do shit until Kobe became arguably the best guard in the league even tho prior to that Shaq had 2 all star guards on the same team at the same time in LA with Eddie Jones & NVE..

Which makes my point :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Correction, he had three all stars on his team. At least get your facts straight.

Shaq and Penny went to the finals in their third year, that team gave the Bulls plenty of trouble, they easily would have accomplished more if they stuck together.

[NZStreetBaller]

Shaq's better then Hakeem. surely? 4 rings 3FMVPs

[JellyBean]

If Shaq had the work ethic of Duncan, Kobe or any of the other all time greats, he could have been greater than Jordan, Kareem or Russell.

He's still an all time great player, but had the potential to be even more. Incredible to think about.


Agree. Shaq is still an all-time great. But if he had the work ethic of Kobe, Shaq would have been epic.

[NZStreetBaller]

Agree. Shaq is still an all-time great. But if he had the work ethic of Kobe, Shaq would have been epic.

If Kobe had the size and strength..... goes both ways

[JellyBean]

They didnt do shit until Kobe became arguably the best guard in the league even tho prior to that Shaq had 2 all star guards on the same team at the same time in LA with Eddie Jones & NVE..

Which makes my point :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Thank you. Shaq and Kobe were on the Lakers for three years. If folks are saying that Shaq carried Kobe, why couldn't Shaq carry Kobe those first three years? The answer is simple. Kobe wasn

[NZStreetBaller]

Technically the second best player on a team should never really outscore the best player except for the odd game or 2 when the second best player just had a really great game or if the best player is the distributor right??

[JellyBean]

If Kobe had the size and strength..... goes both ways

True. But don't change the topic :oldlol: This is about Shaq having the work ethic to become even better.

[JellyBean]

Technically the second best player on a team should never really outscore the best player except for the odd game or 2 when the second best player just had a really great game or if the best player is the distributor right??

What is that, a new rule or something? :D

[NZStreetBaller]

no i just cant think of any other second best player that outscores the "top dog" as much as kobe. :bowdown:

[Paul George 24]

Shaq is top 10 but is overrated by the general public.

He wasn't able to win with Penny when he was easily the 2nd best guard in the league and never won anything as the man before or after Kobe.

I mean lets be real if Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem or Lebron was unable to make the finals with 3 all star teammates on the same team in the same year (NVE, Jones, Kobe) they would catch so much shit for it.

And if any of those guys were unable to beat their biggest postiional competition without an all nba player by their side in the playoffs WHILE BEING OUTSOCRED by their "sidekick" on better percentages they would be ridiculed to no end..

(Shaq lost to Duncans team in 99, Duncan was injured in 2000, Kobe OUTSOCRED and OUT PRODUCED SHAQ against the spurs in 01 & 02..)


2001 WCF:

Kobe: 33/7/7 on 57% TS

Shaq: 27/13/3 on 55% TS

2002 WCSF ( VS Spurs)

Kobe: 26/5/5 on 49% TS

Shaq: 21/12/3 on 49% TS

And this is during his so called "MDE" period

Imagine wade putting up those numbers next to bran, or Pau next to Kobe and then somebody claiming Kobe or Bran was the "MDE" during that stretch..

That poster would be laughed off of ISH..


kobe is overrated,who carried by shaq & pau :hammerhead:

[Paul George 24]

They didnt do shit until Kobe became arguably the best guard in the league even tho prior to that Shaq had 2 all star guards on the same team at the same time in LA with Eddie Jones & NVE..

Which makes my point :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

kobe is the reason why they fail to 4 peat :D

[Odinn]

His peak is only challenged by Hakeem of the 3.

[rmt]

Technically the second best player on a team should never really outscore the best player except for the odd game or 2 when the second best player just had a really great game or if the best player is the distributor right??

You are assuming that scoring determines who is the better player. There is that whole other half of the court where DEFENSE is played.

[Roundball_Rock]

Shaq is top 5 all-time. He was more dominant than any of those other players and he is comparable or greater in team success and he had solid longevity. Shaq was still an all-star at age 36.

[Fork]

Prime Shaq > Prime Kobe

[Paul George 24]

Shaq is top 5 all-time. He was more dominant than any of those other players and he is comparable or greater in team success and he had solid longevity. Shaq was still an all-star at age 36.

he is not top 5 :no:

[Stringer Bell]

Shaq was a great player and better than Kobe. Maybe Duncan and Hakeem as well, those are close.

I respect Shaq the least out of them because of his relatively poor work ethic. Kobe works hard all year round, Duncan and Hakeem were in top shape too, and Shaq spends the regular season getting into shape.

If you want to argue that Shaq is below the others, you can also bring up his pick-and-roll defense.

[HOoopCityJones]

Hakeem is not better than Kobe.

[jstern]

Why do Kobe stans hate Shaq? Aren't you guys supposed to be Laker fans? He got you 3 championships.

The same with Gasol, why do so many hate him?

Anyway, it's amazing, freaking Shaq, one the absolute most dominant players ever, and now he's overrated because he missed many games. His Finals performances don't matter, and a "Laker fan" is going out his way out of all player to push this agenda.

He missed out on having more MVPs due to those injuries, don't you think that's enough. Because he definitely would have been higher on the list with those MVPs.

If there's anything Shaq is it's not overrated. If anything he's underrated, judging by how many younger fans considered prime Shaq = the old Shaq they, a few years ago when Shaq was still playing.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Shaq is top 5 all-time. He was more dominant than any of those other players and he is comparable or greater in team success and he had solid longevity. Shaq was still an all-star at age 36.
This.

MJ
Russell
KAJ
Wilt
Shaq

[Roundball_Rock]

This.

MJ
Russell
KAJ
Wilt
Shaq

That is my list, except with KAJ and MJ switching places.


Shaq was a great player and better than Kobe. Maybe Duncan and Hakeem as well, those are close.

Those guys were not nearly as dominant as Shaq. Were they ever far and away the best player in the league the way Shaq was at his peak? Hakeem was viewed as on par with David Robinson for most of his career and not that much better than Patrick Ewing but these days he is compared to KAJ and Shaq.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

If Kobe had the size and strength..... goes both ways
:facepalm work ethic is mental

[tpols]

Shaq has the worst intangibles/leadership out of all the top 10 GOATs..

[Paul George 24]

Hakeem is not better than Kobe.
hakeem's dominantion >>>>>>> kobe

[HOoopCityJones]

hakeem's dominantion >>>>>>> kobe

LOL Dominance?

Call me when Hakeem did anything comparable to what Kobe was doing to Teams in 06, Finals tier Teams like the 05 Mavs no less, with the likes of Kwame Brown and Smush Parker behind him. 06 Kobe was having games comparable to Wilt Chamberlain.

There's no way in hell Dream is above Kobe, the work he's done in this league as the second option to Shaq and as the man completely trumps what Hakeem did in his 2 years of Glory imo. Longevity , consistency well past his prime.

Oh yea, and boiled down? 5 > 2

No one here can make a case for Hakeem against Bean.

Rebounds and FG%? LOL, have fun convincing me a Center isn't supposed to dominate those stats. Unless your name is Roy Hibbert.

[Paul George 24]

LOL Dominance?

Call me when Hakeem did anything comparable to what Kobe was doing to Teams in 06, Finals tier Teams like the 05 Mavs no less, with the likes of Kwame Brown and Smush Parker behind him. 06 Kobe was having games comparable to Wilt Chamberlain.

There's no way in hell Dream is above Kobe, the work he's done in this league as the second option to Shaq and as the man completely trumps what Hakeem did in his 2 years of Glory imo. Longevity , consistency well past his prime.

Oh yea, and boiled down? 5 > 2

No one here can make a case for Hakeem against Bean.

Rebounds and FG%? LOL, have fun convincing me a Center isn't supposed to dominate those stats. Unless your name is Roy Hibbert.

hakeem dominant on both ends,kobe ??????? :lol
not even a defence force in his career :roll:

did kobe ever avg almost 40ppg in 1 series :confusedshrug:

hakeem dominat agaisnt the best center era,ewing,shaq,navy ????
how about kobe :oldlol: get carired by pau & gasol to save him in finlas,and a
kobe ??? 3 of his 5 rings was shaq give him :hammerhead:
and he is poor leader,who never makes his teammates better,unlike dream & shaq :banana: