BREAKING: Omer Asik to New Orleans for 2015 first

[DStebb716]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Houston is finalizing a deal to send Omer Asik to New Orleans, league source tells Yahoo Sports.


Sam Amick @sam_amick
Rockets will get New Orleans' first rounder for next season in exchange for Omer Asik, I'm told.



Sam Amick @sam_amick
Rockets will also send cash to New Orleans in the deal. Houston clears cap room for free agency season. Jeremy Lin up next likely.

[D-Rose]

Ohhhhhhhh shit!!!

Anthony Davis/Asik going to destroy the league.

Also, this is a Melo/LeBron move. Lin is next lol.

It's for NO's 1st rounder next season.

[Real14]

good for Asik:applause: pelicans about to go off.

[Black and White]

Wow, great move for Nola!!!

[irondarts]

Hopefully the pick is lottery protected..if it is, then it's a great deal for NOLA.

[Jameerthefear]

clearing room. could have gotten more but oh well

[Levity]

God damn!!! that front court rebounding and defense.

and haha at this trade finally happening, but without including ryan anderson

[Done_And_Done]

On paper Asik reads like a very complimentary piece to play along side of AD. What pick did New Orleans part with?

[Fork]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

We are not worthy of this rim protection

[Kidbasketball20]

YAY!!

So excited to see where Lin goes to. :)

[DStebb716]

One issue I have with the reported deal: NOLA doesn't have a 2014 first so they can't trade a 2015 first without getting one back this year or next.

[Wavves]

We've heard Asik to the Pelicans all season long, but Anderson was in most of the deals that were being discussed.

To be able to keep Anderson and get Asik is huge. I usually hate when teams trade future 1sts when they are not already a playoff team, but I love this trade.

Pelicans could be very good next season.

[Johnny Jones]

Getting Asik without Ryno is my wet dream. Hope its only the 2015 1st round pick

[1~Gibson~1]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

We are not worthy of this rim protection
:oldlol:

If everything goes right I think NO makes the playoffs next season.

[JohnFreeman]

That defense :eek:

[Wavves]

Rockets clearing cap space too.

Getting a future first is massive too. Great trade for both teams.

[Thunderfan86]

Here we go........I hope my team doesn't just sit around doing nothing like we always do.

Good for the Pelicans!!! :cheers:

[ProfessorMurder]

Oh man that's going to be good.

[christian1923]

The thunder couldn't pull this one off?

[plowking]

That's a nice team...

Davis and Asik in the front court, with Gordon, Holiday and Tyreke filling out eh 1, 2 and 3 spots if they want to play slightly smaller. Every one of their wings can create for themselves and teammates...

Could be a very good team next year.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

That has the potential to be one great defense.

[Meticode]

Good move by New Orleans. Looks like Ryan Anderson is demoted to bench duty even though he just came off a 20/7 season pretty much...

Omer Asik - 6/8 (capable of 10/10)
Anthony Davis - 21/10/3
Tyreke Evans - 15/5/5
Eric Gordon - 15/3/3
Jrue Holiday - 14/8/4

Sixth Man
Ryan Anderson - 20/7

[hawksdogsbraves]

That's a nice team...

Davis and Asik in the front court, with Gordon, Holiday and Tyreke filling out eh 1, 2 and 3 spots if they want to play slightly smaller. Every one of their wings can create for themselves and teammates...

Could be a very good team next year.

For sure, if Gordon comes back healthy that team is going to be sick.

Possible best front court in the league already now.

[zoom17]

pelicans are going to be great next year.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Spacing is going to be a major problem for NO.

Asik/Howard could not work because neither could shoot outside of 10 feet. Anthony Davis can't do that either.

And as good of a prospect Davis is... he has trouble covering bigs that can shoot.

[Rubio2Gasol]

New Orleans is going to win like 50 games next year, and that pick will still be in the lotter.

Pretty clearly a piece for Carmelo.

Good for both teams.

[juju151111]

That has the potential to be one great defense.
They need a coach to put in a great defensive system. They will be a waste if the coach can't use them right and is Omwr going to start over Anderson.

[Jameerthefear]

really sucks that they still likely won't make the playoffs next year. west is too harsh :-/

[Thunderfan86]

The thunder couldn't pull this one off?
The Thunder is a f*cking joke. We just sit around while everyone else gets better. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[BlackVVaves]

What. A. TRADE!

You keep Anderson AND get Asik to further fortify your interior defense?

:bowdown:

[JellyBean]

Good move. I like this. Asik goes to a team that can use him right out the gate. Wow. The Pelicans might make a little noise next year in the West.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Spacing is going to be a major problem for NO.

Asik/Howard could not work because neither could shoot outside of 10 feet. Anthony Davis can't do that either.

And as good of a prospect Davis is... he has trouble covering bigs that can shoot.

Davis has a really good jumper, he can definitely shoot outside of 10 feet.

He can guard shooting bigs too, he's actually really good at it.

Have you ever watched Anthony Davis play?

[To4]

Hope their line would be..

Asik
Davis
Anderson
tyreke or gordon
jrue or tyreke.

[1~Gibson~1]

The Thunder is a f*cking joke. We just sit around while everyone else gets better. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Sounds like the Cavaliers of ild and new

[Beastmode88]

DAYUM AD and ASIK? AD has the potential to be better than Dwight Coward. :banana:

[Jameerthefear]

What. A. TRADE!

You keep Anderson AND get Asik to further fortify your interior defense?

:bowdown:
idk. i mean the pick will be in the lottery so...

[Johnny Jones]

Spacing is going to be a major problem for NO.

Asik/Howard could not work because neither could shoot outside of 10 feet. Anthony Davis can't do that either.

And as good of a prospect Davis is... he has trouble covering bigs that can shoot.
AD is working on improving his midrange and the corner 3.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Davis has a really good jumper, he can definitely shoot outside of 10 feet.

He can guard shooting bigs too, he's actually really good at it.

Have you ever watched Anthony Davis play?

Sure have. Watched Dirk hang 40 on him last year because Davis didn't want to guard outside.

Spacing is going to be a huge problem for NO. On both sides.

[D-Rose]

They have to wait until July to make it official because the Pelicans are trading their 1st rounder 2 years in a row now.

[Fork]

I wish NOLA was in the East so they can do some damage in the playoffs

[JohnFreeman]

They better start Reke this season!

[ZeN]

Davis gon' take over this bish

[DStebb716]

Sam Amick @sam_amick
Regarding New Orleans giving up firsts in two consecutive years, I'm told this deal will happen officially in July. By then, that's legal.



That rule just needs to go. I hate the way the NBA trade process works. Can't stand seeing dudes wearing caps for certain teams on draft night even though they know they'll never play there because they pick was traded an hour ago.

[outbreak]

A friend just texted me saying he read Harden is being shopped around to try and get Lebron AND Melo to houston? anyone seen a source on this?

[MC Gusto]

One issue I have with the reported deal: NOLA doesn't have a 2014 first so they can't trade a 2015 first without getting one back this year or next.
It's a future first. The year hasn't been declared yet.

[beastee]

Great move. What if Houston clears all this space and they get nothing? Lebron is not going....Melo potentially could, but why when Chicago is a better option. Houston better be sure they can make something work.

Great move for NOLA. Asik is gonna be on a mission to prove Houston wrong. I always like his interior toughness. AD must get a pick and pop now and they are a 45-50 win team.

[Meticode]

Spacing is going to be a major problem for NO.

Asik/Howard could not work because neither could shoot outside of 10 feet. Anthony Davis can't do that either.

And as good of a prospect Davis is... he has trouble covering bigs that can shoot.
He can't shoot the three, but Davis can definitely hit the 10-16 foot jumper. He already showed improvement on it last year during the season and has progressed faster than Blake Griffin developing it.

He shot 43% from 10-16 feet last season. Compare that to someone like Chris Bosh who for his entire career has averaged 41% from that range.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html

...and I think it'll only improve for Davis.

[BlackVVaves]

idk. i mean the pick will be in the lottery so...

I bet the pick isn't any higher than 12, if at all, and next year's draft class is projected to be weak as hell in terms of depth.

It's a great trade for both sides, presuming the Rockets can add an another all star this summer.

NOLA's interior defense is about to be apeshit crazy :eek:

[Jameerthefear]

A friend just texted me saying he read Harden is being shopped around to try and get Lebron AND Melo to houston? anyone seen a source on this?
broussard said it this morning. sounds like bull to me.

[Meticode]

Great move. What if Houston clears all this space and they get nothing? Lebron is not going....Melo potentially could, but why when Chicago is a better option. Houston better be sure they can make something work.

Great move for NOLA. Asik is gonna be on a mission to prove Houston wrong. I always like his interior toughness. AD must get a pick and pop now and they are a 45-50 win team.
I want Carmelo to go so bad to Houston to see the disaster that would be with McHale coaching ball dominate Anthony and Harden.

[MC Gusto]

A friend just texted me saying he read Harden is being shopped around to try and get Lebron AND Melo to houston? anyone seen a source on this?
I read that Houston would be willing to put Harden in a sign and trade for one of them if they can get both.

[ZeN]

A friend just texted me saying he read Harden is being shopped around to try and get Lebron AND Melo to houston? anyone seen a source on this?
No one is currently talking about that. So far..

[Jameerthefear]

I bet the pick isn't any higher than 12, if at all, and next year's draft class is projected to be weak as hell in terms of depth.

It's a great trade for both sides, presuming the Rockets can add an another all star this summer.

NOLA's interior defense is about to be apeshit crazy :eek:
true true. i just really hate that even with this NOLA still won't make the playoffs. kinda annoys me and i'm an east fan...

[hawksdogsbraves]

Sure have. Watched Dirk hang 40 on him last year because Davis didn't want to guard outside.

Spacing is going to be a huge problem for NO. On both sides.

Offensively maybe, Holliday and Gordon aren't great 3 point shooters and Tyreke is downright awful. At least they have Anderson off the bench though.

Defensively, you're wrong. Dirk could drop 40 on prime Rodman if he was hot, your one game sample size proves nothing. Davis is as good a big as there is in the league at moving out of the paint to guard stretch 4's.

[outbreak]

broussard said it this morning. sounds like bull to me.
ah ok. I hate and distrust Broussard

[BlackVVaves]

Hope their line would be..

Asik
Davis
Anderson
tyreke or gordon
jrue or tyreke.

You want Anderson guarding the LeBron's and KD's of the world at the 3 spot?

Good god what a horrible idea

[All Net]

Good move. I like this. Asik goes to a team that can use him right out the gate. Wow. The Pelicans might make a little noise next year in the West.
Problem is there are so many good teams out West. Teams like Suns and Mavs with max cap space

[MUGEN]

Great get. Congrats NO fans :applause:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

He shot 43% from 10-16 feet last season. Compare that to someone like Chris Bosh who for his entire career has averaged 41% from that range.

Could that have been because he had Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson taking away some of the "team" away from him giving him a little space?

Pair him with Asik and he will be double teamed routinely. And him not being able to hit the jumper from mid range..... mean the opposing team can pretty much play a zone and make him less efective.

[flipogb]

shouldn't there be a Lin trade any minute now ?

[Jameerthefear]

Could that have been because he had Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson taking away some of the "team" away from him giving him a little space?

Pair him with Asik and he will be double teamed routinely. And him not being able to hit the jumper from mid range..... mean the opposing team can pretty much play a zone and make him less efective.
josh smith plays for detroit...

[BlackVVaves]

true true. i just really hate that even with this NOLA still won't make the playoffs. kinda annoys me and i'm an east fan...

Yeah sucks. That's just the West for you.

At least they are making efforts to improve the team around Davis though. If they can get rid of Gordon for something substantial and Tyreke play consistent ball for an entire season at a time, who knows.

[Smook A.]

Fantastic move for the Pelicans. Asik really helped us last season even though he wasnt starting. He has a tough time scoring and he might look lazy on the offensive end but other than that he's a great great rebounder and a very good defender. The season where he started, he put up 11/10, Imagine Davis + Asik on the defensive side of the ball... great move New Orleans.

Good luck to Asik in NOLA. He's a great dude and plays hards :cheers:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

josh smith plays for detroit...

Fixed it... meant jason smith.

[Jameerthefear]

can someone tell me what vucevic shoots from 10-16 ft?

[hawksdogsbraves]

Could that have been because he had Jason Smith and Ryan Anderson taking away some of the "team" away from him giving him a little space?

Pair him with Asik and he will be double teamed routinely. And him not being able to hit the jumper from mid range..... mean the opposing team can pretty much play a zone and make him less efective.

Yeah Jason Smith was drawing so much attention from defenses :roll:

Ryan Anderson is still on the team and will still play big minutes, plus you're forgetting, (or didn't know, as I think is more likely) that Holliday and Gordon barely played last season.

For most of the year Davis and Evans were the whole offense and Davis still did ok.

[Legends66NBA7]

true true. i just really hate that even with this NOLA still won't make the playoffs. kinda annoys me and i'm an east fan...

Hypothetically, say you swap them with Cleveland (for example) and they go East.

Where would they rank in the conference ?

[SpecialQue]

Goddamn. I can't wait to see this NO team play.

[MUGEN]

Hypothetically, say you swap them with Cleveland (for example) and they go East.

Where would they rank in the conference ?

Conference Semis..in the least

[Jameerthefear]

Hypothetically, say you swap them with Cleveland (for example) and they go East.

Where would they rank in the conference ?
Like for next season? Hmm. Probably
Miami
Toronto/NOLA
NOLA/Toronto
Indy
CHI
and pretty much the same from there.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Yeah Jason Smith was drawing so much attention from defenses

Amazing what being able to hit 15-20 feet will do for the team.

[outbreak]

Hypothetically, say you swap them with Cleveland (for example) and they go East.

Where would they rank in the conference ?
probably third behind miami and Indiana if we assumed lebron was returning to miami and no other trades go down.

[Thunderfan86]

A friend just texted me saying he read Harden is being shopped around to try and get Lebron AND Melo to houston? anyone seen a source on this?
Yeah, I heard OKC was interested. :rolleyes:

[hawksdogsbraves]

can someone tell me what vucevic shoots from 10-16 ft?

50% from 10-16, didn't actually shoot much from that range though. Shot over twice that much from between 16-the 3 point line where he shot 40%.

Still pretty good for a big though.

[Jameerthefear]

probably third behind miami and Indiana if we assumed lebron was returning to miami and no other trades go down.
Something tells me Indy will drop. IDK. Just have a feeling. That team is in shambles.

[Jameerthefear]

50% from 10-16, didn't actually shoot much from that range though. Shot over twice that much from between 16-the 3 point line where he shot 40%.

Still pretty good for a big though.
very good actually.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Amazing what being able to hit 15-20 feet will do for the team.

He played 31 games last year. THIRTY ONE.

You don't know what you're talking about.

He was having a career year putting up 10/5 in that less than 1/2 season he played though :bowdown:

[BlackVVaves]

Hypothetically, say you swap them with Cleveland (for example) and they go East.

Where would they rank in the conference ?

It really depends on if Tyreke can play consistent, and if their perimeter players improve on their team defense concepts.

But I'd say, if we were judging by last year's standings, that roster would be better than the rosters Chicago, Brooklyn, Charlotte, and Atlanta (without Hortford) fielded, and maybe Toronto too.

[JohnFreeman]

http://photos-a.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/10453704_650549951700136_752307079_n.jpg

[hawksdogsbraves]

It really depends on if Tyreke can play consistent, and if their perimeter players improve on their team defense concepts.

But I'd say, if we were judging by last year's standings, that roster would be better than the rosters Chicago, Brooklyn, Charlotte, and Atlanta (without Hortford) fielded, and maybe Toronto too.

If healthy I think next year's team would be better than Indy and would give Miami some real trouble with that front court.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

He played 31 games last year. THIRTY ONE.

You don't know what you're talking about.

He was having a career year putting up 10/5 in that less than 1/2 season he played though

You are totally missing the point of spacing on the floor. Don't look at the name and look at the skillset. Jason Smith isn't a great player.

But AD/Smith is harder for a defense to defend than a AD/Asik would be. Houston found that out within the first 5 games or so last year. NO will too. Spacing is important in today's league.

[hawksdogsbraves]

You are totally missing the point of spacing on the floor. Don't look at the name and look at the skillset. Jason Smith isn't a great player.

But AD/Smith is harder for a defense to defend than a AD/Asik would be. Houston found that out within the first 5 games or so last year. NO will too. Spacing is important in today's league.

I agree that spacing is important, but pairing AD with a legit center isn't going to be a problem in my eyes. AD isn't a back to the basket guy yet, he wants to be in the high post anyway.

[bluechox2]

why do the rockets want to destroy a players career by drafting and never playing them

[andremiller07]

I thought NO was going after Monroe which would have been a insane fit next to Davis.

[stalkerforlife]

Good job, New Orleans. I like their style.

Asik should take some of the pressure off of Anthony Davis on the defensive end.

[no pun intended]

I thought NO was going after Monroe which would have been a insane fit next to Davis.
In my opinion, Asik is a more insane fit than Monroe.

[Smook A.]

http://photos-a.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/10453704_650549951700136_752307079_n.jpg
BOOGIEE

[Johnny Jones]

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/ac1394dbdcca6a36cbf486633b129cd813095ac3/r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/gameon/2012/10/29/10-29-2012-anthony-davis-dunk-4_3.jpg

[Droid101]

Locked up tonight is an ignorant shitbag. Proven wrong post by post.

Kill yourself bro.

[Milbuck]

Holy shit..Pelicans are making the playoffs next season.

Jrue
Gordon
Tyreke
Davis
Asik

With Ryan Anderson coming off the bench..that's absurd.

[flipogb]

why do the rockets want to destroy a players career by drafting and never playing them
Bull drafted Asik

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Locked up tonight is an ignorant shitbag. Proven wrong post by post.

Kill yourself bro.

Sure. Let's make a suicide pact. You first.

[D-Rose]

@ZachLowe_NBA 21s
Pick to HOU has Lowry-style reverse protections, per source. NOP keeps if in top 2/3 of lottery, and if it's 20-plus. In b/w, goes to HOU

Very well done by Nawlins on the protections.

[BlackVVaves]

Very well done by Nawlins on the protections.

That's a ****ing win :applause:

[All Net]

Holy shit..Pelicans are making the playoffs next season.

Jrue
Gordon
Tyreke
Davis
Asik

With Ryan Anderson coming off the bench..that's absurd.
Teams like Suns are in good shape with max cap space as do the Mavs and both those teams finished alot higher than Pelicans. They will be in the hunt but they aren’t for sure going to make it.

Suns are in better shape to me.

[hawksdogsbraves]

[QUOTE=All Net]Teams like Suns are in good shape with max cap space as do the Mavs and both those teams finished alot higher than Pelicans. They will be in the hunt but they aren

[Jameerthefear]

Healthy Pels >> Suns

The West is just such a nightmare though, it'll still be very tough for either to make it.
suns weren't 100% a good part of theyear and they almost won 50 games...

[navy]

Holy shit..Pelicans are making the playoffs next season.

Jrue
Gordon
Tyreke
Davis
Asik

With Ryan Anderson coming off the bench..that's absurd.

Slow down bro.

Asik and Davis might not work as projected. Especially in this small ball league and both of them lacking scoring ability. Well Davis can at least shoot, so it wont be as bad as Asik and Howard

Might be a solid team, but I wouldnt be surprised if they dont make it next year.

[ShackEelOKneel]

Holy shit..Pelicans are making the playoffs next season.



Unfortunately, that roster has some rough injury history and is in the West.

[no pun intended]

Slow down bro.

Asik and Davis might not work as projected. Especially in this small ball league and both of them lacking scoring ability. Well Davis can at least shoot, so it wont be as bad as Asik and Howard

Might be a solid team, but I wouldnt be surprised if they dont make it next year.
Small ball or not, Asik runs the floor awfully well for his size.

[All Net]

Healthy Pels >> Suns

The West is just such a nightmare though, it'll still be very tough for either to make it.
not to me they aren't, Suns won 48 games and that was with EB missing 30+ games and they now have max cap room this summer. Obviously Pelicans had their own injury issues sure but Suns have options to improve their team even more now.

[HylianNightmare]

Not a bad price for nola

[KDthunderup]

Holy shit..Pelicans are making the playoffs next season.

Jrue
Gordon
Tyreke
Davis
Asik

With Ryan Anderson coming off the bench..that's absurd.
Stacked team but I dont think they work well together. Team was just put together on talent without much though and how they mix together.

[navy]

Small ball or not, Asik runs the floor awfully well for his size.

Not doubting his game per say. It is just very rare for a team to stay big for long periods of a game and not get burnt. The Grizzlies can do it because Randolph and Gasol can score very well and you can run an offense through Gasol.


Otherwise Davis and Asik will be hogging up space in the lane. Neither are real shot creators in the post.

Davis can still learn, but I dont think he will be ready next year.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Great move pelicans, things are about to start getting interesting.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

The difference between the Suns and Peli's is Unibrow.

Suns might be better next year. Maybe the year after? But one team has a very likely soon-to-be top 1-3, superstar, player and the other one doesn't.

[UK2K]

What. A. TRADE!

You keep Anderson AND get Asik to further fortify your interior defense?

:bowdown:
Nobody wanted Anderson

[Droid101]

Nobody wanted Anderson
...

Have you watched basketball in the last 5 years?

[alanLA92]

Nobody wanted Anderson

Isn't like he went 20/7 at times last season. :rolleyes:

[Black and White]

Nobody wanted Anderson

:biggums:

[JohnFreeman]

Nobody wanted Anderson
...

[Jameerthefear]

Nobody wanted Anderson
:lebronamazed:

[All Net]

The difference between the Suns and Peli's is Unibrow.

Suns might be better next year. Maybe the year after? But one team has a very likely soon-to-be top 1-3, superstar, player and the other one doesn't.
Doesn't mean that much without the better cast.. But all this depends on their health.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

New Orleans got their defensive anchor that wont be punked around by nikkas like Pekovic and DMC:applause: :applause: :applause:

[KyleKong]

Clearly making cap space for Melo or LeBron, but nice trade for both teams.

NOLA going to have a block party next season.

[All Net]

Will say though Aldridge was great for Blazers as Lopez helped give him space. Asik will do the same for Davis.

[DMAVS41]

They have to fix the playoffs starting next year.

It is going to be absurd how many good teams don't make it.

You really could see a team like the Rockets miss the playoffs if there is one injury to Howard for like 10 games...even if they add Melo.

This shit is truly insane.

I love Asik on the Pelicans, glad to see the Pelicans finally do something right.

Now they need to make sure they free up enough room to sign Asik after this year and extend Davis as well. Getting rid of that scrub Gordon will be really important and that should happen as soon as possible (not sure if it can)...

[All Net]

it appears Pelicans can only make this deal if they make others to make room...expect a deal tomorrow it seems.

[UK2K]

Isn't like he went 20/7 at times last season. :rolleyes:
And Tyreke damn near averaged a triple double when he started...

Who else wAs going to score for them with Jure and Gordon out for 3/4 of the season?

Thats like claiming Evan Turner is a monster because he put up buckets for the Sixers or Meeks was a scoring machine when he was the only person for the Lakers who could make a jump shot.

Not impressed. He scored a ton on a team without their two best scorers. Forgive me for not seeing his value. What did he average pre-Gordon and Jrues exit? Care to look it up?

[(e)]

It was a cap dump and they actually got a first rounder back in this deal?

Don't understand why the Pelicans would give up a first round pick to land a potential one year rental. Especially when they knew Rockets just wanted to dump cap space to make a run at Lebron and/or Melo.

Watch this scenario play out next season. Pelicans miss Playoffs in West, end up landing something like the 10th pick in the draft. Asik is an unrestricted free agent, signs with a different team. Pelicans left with no draft pick, and no Asik.

Rockets land Melo. Get to add a top 10 pick to Pat Bev, Harden, Parsons, Melo, and Dwight.

Way to go Pelicans. You had leverage to probably land Asik while gaining a draft pick on top, botched it.

[VIntageNOvel]

damn, NOLA screwed up hard by trading noel and pick for jrue

PG is dime a dozen now

asik is good but not cheap
noel would be better in the long run

imagine davis-noel rookie deal combo,
trade the picks for isiah,
sign melo

profit

[Lord Bean]

Scrub team.

[UK2K]

They have to fix the playoffs starting next year.

It is going to be absurd how many good teams don't make it.

You really could see a team like the Rockets miss the playoffs if there is one injury to Howard for like 10 games...even if they add Melo.

This shit is truly insane.

I love Asik on the Pelicans, glad to see the Pelicans finally do something right.

Now they need to make sure they free up enough room to sign Asik after this year and extend Davis as well. Getting rid of that scrub Gordon will be really important and that should happen as soon as possible (not sure if it can)...
Dwight did miss 10 games, and Houston was still almost the 3 seed...

What would make you think the Rockets could miss the playoffs with Melo and Harden even without Dwight?

Do you watch basketball?

[bagelred]

How the fck does Morey always get a first rounder even though HE is the one desperate to get rid of Asik? Makes no sense...Asik is owed $15 million this year....for one year worth of a player gave up a first round pick?

Morey is a genius....how does he do this?

[(e)]

How the fck does Morey always get a first rounder even though HE is the one desperate to get rid of Asik? Makes no sense...Asik is owed $15 million this year....for one year worth of a player gave up a first round pick?

Morey is a genius....how does he do this?
Agreed. Pelicans should of been demanding a first round pick to TAKE Asik, not give one up to get him. :facepalm

Heck, the Warriors gave up 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders in a cap dump to get Iggy. How the hell the Rockets GOT a 1st rounder in a cap dump is robbery.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Well we know the Pel's GM isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, he's built this team all wrong and will probably pay the price of losing Davis as soon as he hits free agency.

[BlackVVaves]

Nobody wanted Anderson

http://i42.tinypic.com/11v7k2x.gif

[Legends66NBA7]

They have to fix the playoffs starting next year.

It is going to be absurd how many good teams don't make it.

But what if the East becomes a lot better next season (lot of teams should be healthy this time aroud) and have more than respectable records ?

Both sides could have a good team missing the playoffs.

[BlackVVaves]

It was a cap dump and they actually got a first rounder back in this deal?

Don't understand why the Pelicans would give up a first round pick to land a potential one year rental. Especially when they knew Rockets just wanted to dump cap space to make a run at Lebron and/or Melo.

Watch this scenario play out next season. Pelicans miss Playoffs in West, end up landing something like the 10th pick in the draft. Asik is an unrestricted free agent, signs with a different team. Pelicans left with no draft pick, and no Asik.

Rockets land Melo. Get to add a top 10 pick to Pat Bev, Harden, Parsons, Melo, and Dwight.

Way to go Pelicans. You had leverage to probably land Asik while gaining a draft pick on top, botched it.

I could have read it wrong, but seems the added protection to the picks would prevent this from happening (in terms of losing a lottery pick)?

[Droid101]

Asik is a useful player AND a huge expiring contract. That's a good asset. It was a good trade from both sides.

[brantonli]

Agreed. Pelicans should of been demanding a first round pick to TAKE Asik, not give one up to get him. :facepalm

Heck, the Warriors gave up 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders in a cap dump to get Iggy. How the hell the Rockets GOT a 1st rounder in a cap dump is robbery.

The Rockets must have had other offers for Asik, or else NO wouldn't have given up that 1st round pick. Asik is a rare commodity in the NBA, and NO would love to have him to pair with Davis. Seriously, that front court looks amazing now, with a bit better coaching, no injuries, that NO team COULD make a run for the playoffs.

[Droid101]

But what if the East becomes a lot better next season (lot of teams should be healthy this time aroud) and have more than respectable records ?

Both sides could have a good team missing the playoffs.
:roll:

Good one.

[(e)]

I could have read it wrong, but seems the added protection to the picks would prevent this from happening (in terms of losing a lottery pick)?
Thought I read the pick was top 3 protected and bottom 10 protected. So if the pick falls between 4 and 19, it goes to the Rockets.

[(e)]

The Rockets must have had other offers for Asik, or else NO wouldn't have given up that 1st round pick. Asik is a rare commodity in the NBA, and NO would love to have him to pair with Davis. Seriously, that front court looks amazing now, with a bit better coaching, no injuries, that NO team COULD make a run for the playoffs.
Would be curious as to who?

Utah? Philly? Phoenix? There aren't a whole lot of teams that have the cap space to just absorb Asik's 14.8 million dollar salary.

[bagelred]

Would be curious as to who?

Utah? Philly? Phoenix? There aren't a whole lot of teams that have the cap space to just absorb Asik's 14.8 million dollar salary.

Asik's contract is unique. His cap hit is only about $8 million, but the actual cash paid to him is the 14.8 million. So....cap wise it's a lesser hit.

But yeah, either way team is paying a lot for one year rental. Morey is a genius.

[(e)]

Asik's contract is unique. His cap hit is only about $8 million, but the actual cash paid to him is the 14.8 million. So....cap wise it's a lesser hit.

But yeah, either way team is paying a lot for one year rental. Morey is a genius.
Didn't realize that, but still. I'd say Pels GM is a little more Warren Jensen than Morey is a genius.

[blacknapalm]

solid trade for both teams. asik wasn't going to be used in houston and pelicans now have one of the best defensive/rebounding frontcourts

[Legends66NBA7]

:roll:

Good one.

Yeah, it is a good one that they'll be BETTER ? Explain how they aren't going to better.

You act like they were teams that weren't completely hindered from injury last season. The Hawks, Bulls, Nets, Knicks, and Cavaliers would have been better teams if they didn't lose key players out of their rosters.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Didn't realize that, but still. I'd say Pels GM is a little more Warren Jensen than Morey is a genius.

Agreed. Fabulous post

[9512]

Omer will be happy in NO...next is Lin!

[BlackVVaves]

Thought I read the pick was top 3 protected and bottom 10 protected. So if the pick falls between 4 and 19, it goes to the Rockets.

:biggums:

[(e)]

:biggums:
Per ESPN
The draft pick included in the deal has protections. It will go to the Rockets if it falls between picks 4-19, sources said.

[BlackVVaves]

Per ESPN
The draft pick included in the deal has protections. It will go to the Rockets if it falls between picks 4-19, sources said.

I understood it differently then. Certainly slows my enthusiasm, but seeing how Asik will be an expirer, it's still not a terrible deal.

The Pelicans better make the playoffs. As weak as next year's draft is, you don't want to be the team that traded the #6 pick for Asik :no:

[brantonli]

Per ESPN
The draft pick included in the deal has protections. It will go to the Rockets if it falls between picks 4-19, sources said.

The ESPN insider article is surprisingly negative on NOs perspective, some snippets:


New Orleans Pelicans: D+



Assuming it ends up inside the 4-19 range, the Pelicans' 2015 first-round pick will be the third in a row they've traded, joining 2013 and 2014, which both went to the Philadelphia 76ers on draft night a year ago. This is a bad way to build a basketball team. First-round picks are valuable assets because they offer up to four years of cost-controlled production at rates that are, on average, far below market value. By contrast, the players New Orleans has acquired (Jrue Holiday last year, now Asik) are paid what they're worth, relatively.

As FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver once simplified, there are two ways to build a winning NBA team. One way is to pay more money than other teams. This avenue is surely not available to the Pelicans. The other is to be more efficient with your spending than other teams, and that's where first-round picks are invaluable. While there are bargains here and there, players on rookie contracts are the most reliably underpaid around.

Trading first-round picks shortcuts the process of competing, but it comes with a long-term price. New Orleans has the luxury of spending more on veterans now because of the league's best bargain, Anthony Davis' rookie contract. Davis will be paid $5.6 million this season, when he could emerge as one of the league's handful of most valuable players. The Pelicans get that bargain for only two more seasons, however. In 2016-17, Davis' salary will likely jump to the max, making it far more difficult for New Orleans to clear cap space. At that point, the Pelicans are going to wish they had reasonable rookie contracts to fill out their rotation rather than having to rely on scrounging for cheap free agents.

The shortcut might be worth it for a team designed to win now. That's not New Orleans, at least not in the brutal Western Conference. The Pelicans already figured to be one of the league's most improved teams next season, both because of Davis' development and better health after Holiday missed 48 games last season and super-sixth man Ryan Anderson missed 60. Asik will help that process, certainly. He's a vast improvement over the defensive-minded centers New Orleans played next to Davis last season: Alexis Ajinca, Greg Stiemsma and Jeff Withey.

Still, looking around the Western Conference, it's hard to see the Pelicans as one of the top four teams. There's even a chance, with more bad injury luck, they might miss the playoffs again. The last thing New Orleans needs is general manager Dell Demps sitting at the lottery again, hoping the Pelicans' pick leaps into the top three so they can keep it rather than sending it elsewhere.

The mechanics of this trade also make it somewhat more problematic for New Orleans. To swallow Asik's salary, they'll have to go under the cap after the new league year starts in July. That means the Pelicans must dump a contract (likely guard Austin Rivers), as well as renounce cap holds for their free agents (most notably, backup guards Anthony Morrow and Brian Roberts) and give up on the midlevel exception for the smaller room midlevel exception.

So after the trade, New Orleans will have seven players under contract and only the room exception ($2.7 million) to pay free agents more than the minimum. 2013 second-round pick Pierre Jackson will likely fill another spot, but the Pelicans could be woefully thin after their top nine players, making injuries a concern.

I hadn't realised the salary cap implications for NO, but they seem bad. Outside of that 'core' of Holiday-Evans-Gordon-Davis-Asik, they barely have any room to sign other people, and that core (apart from Davis) is good, but hardly elite. If the stars align and no injuries occur, then they could definitely make the playoffs, but seems to be an expensive price to pay.

[Johnny Jones]

Pelicans rumored to be trading Anderson for Gerald Green and one of PHX's first rounders.

[(e)]

I understood it differently then. Certainly slows my enthusiasm, but seeing how Asik will be an expirer, it's still not a terrible deal.

The Pelicans better make the playoffs. As weak as next year's draft is, you don't want to be the team that traded the #6 pick for Asik :no:
More like better not let him walk in free agency. Even if they make the Playoffs they can give up that pick - they will have to be one of the top 10 teams in the league to keep that pick.

Unless there were other offers on the table, IMO it's a shit "deal" for the Pelicans. Think Asik will be a good piece for them, but this trade was pointless if they can't keep him long term. They gave up way too much...even if it is only a draft pick.

[Johnny Jones]

The ESPN insider article is surprisingly negative on NOs perspective, some snippets:



I hadn't realised the salary cap implications for NO, but they seem bad. Outside of that 'core' of Holiday-Evans-Gordon-Davis-Asik, they barely have any room to sign other people, and that core (apart from Davis) is good, but hardly elite. If the stars align and no injuries occur, then they could definitely make the playoffs, but seems to be an expensive price to pay.
Anderson is likely gone now, hate to say it.

[(e)]

The ESPN insider article is surprisingly negative on NOs perspective, some snippets:



I hadn't realised the salary cap implications for NO, but they seem bad. Outside of that 'core' of Holiday-Evans-Gordon-Davis-Asik, they barely have any room to sign other people, and that core (apart from Davis) is good, but hardly elite. If the stars align and no injuries occur, then they could definitely make the playoffs, but seems to be an expensive price to pay.
Not surprising. Realizing they have to renounce exceptions and everything, that's an absolutely terrible deal. Gave up all of that and a first round pick to help Houston clear cap space.

Seriously an amateur move Pelicans. :biggums:

Another deal has to be around the corner. But they gave away all their leverage, they pretty much HAVE to make a deal now.

[SwishSquared]

The ESPN insider article is surprisingly negative on NOs perspective, some snippets:



I hadn't realised the salary cap implications for NO, but they seem bad. Outside of that 'core' of Holiday-Evans-Gordon-Davis-Asik, they barely have any room to sign other people, and that core (apart from Davis) is good, but hardly elite. If the stars align and no injuries occur, then they could definitely make the playoffs, but seems to be an expensive price to pay.
I looked at their cap sheet prior to trade and they had roughly ~$48.6M in committed salaries (less cap space that wasn't taken into account due to cap holds on FAs but since this will happen post-draft they can renounce guys' rights they don't want back). I don't see how this trade messes completely messes up their cap space considering I heard they don't want to retain all their FAs. Isn't Asik's cap hit $8.3M? I know they won't pay the tax, but they should still carve some space and utilize some exception(s). I think I'm missing something- can somebody explain that, please?

However, if Asik walks and New Orleans either ends up in mid-to-late lotto slot or doesn't have top 10 record, they blew this deal. I'm not assuming they can't keep him thought.

[UK2K]

Right. Anderson missed 60 games last season.

Like I said, nobody wants him, and certainly not the Rockets with his salary given what they are trying to do.

[bdreason]

Pelicans continue to act as if they're on the cusp on contending. Last season they traded away a 1st round pick to get Jrue, then overpaid Tyreke. Now they trade another 1st rounder for Asik?


Look, I can appreciate a team that tries to be competitive... but in the modern NBA, you need to build through the draft, then bring in the big money FA's when you feel you're close to contending.

The Pelicans are doing it backwards, and what's going to happen is when the time for Davis to resign comes around... they're not going to have a future that he's interested in being a part of.

[ILLsmak]

On paper Asik reads like a very complimentary piece to play along side of AD. What pick did New Orleans part with?

They prolly make the playoffs next year, even. Hopefully their own. **** Houston for doin Asik dirty.

-Smak

[All Net]

Pelicans rumored to be trading Anderson for Gerald Green and one of PHX's first rounders.
Where you hear that?

[-Lebron23-]

Right. Anderson missed 60 games last season.

Like I said, nobody wants him, and certainly not the Rockets with his salary given what they are trying to do.
More like you don't want him. Do you live in a cave? Holy sh

[-Lebron23-]

Pelicans continue to act as if they're on the cusp on contending. Last season they traded away a 1st round pick to get Jrue, then overpaid Tyreke. Now they trade another 1st rounder for Asik?


Look, I can appreciate a team that tries to be competitive... but in the modern NBA, you need to build through the draft, then bring in the big money FA's when you feel you're close to contending.

The Pelicans are doing it backwards, and what's going to happen is when the time for Davis to resign comes around... they're not going to have a future that he's interested in being a part of.
I agree with your opinion on how to build a contender but that pick should not be worth much if their roster is healthy (I am not even including Gordon).

Anderson+AD+Asik is an unbelievable frontcourt rotation, it's hard to find better players to surround Davis with and I don't blame them for jumping on the opportunity. They will have to get really creative when guys start declining or their contracts expire but it seems that they really believe they can win it all with AD leading that roster and they're going all in, great for them.

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=-Lebron23-]More like you don't want him. Do you live in a cave? Holy sh

[smoovegittar]

Great move! Asik will flourish.

[-Lebron23-]

I can 100% guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Rockets dont want him. Sorry if you dont like to hear it, but they don't.

Do you live in a cave?

Ryan Anderson now becomes an overpaid 6th man, so, the Pelicans probably dont want him either. $9 million per year for a good shooter who lacks rebounding and defense.
No, you can not guarantee anything because you have no sources, you have your opinion, that's all.

The Rockets most likely don't want him because they can't afford him. His contract would screw their cap, they're trying to get Melo and/ or will have to extend Parsons, you know? From that to your original statement 'nobody wants him' there is a stretch 28 teams long... in short, you're wrong and backpedalling now. It's ok, we've all been wrong before.


'Sorry if you don't like to hear it
Right, I'm a Ryan Anderson stan :oldlol:

[UK2K]

No, you can not guarantee anything because you have no sources, you have your opinion, that's all.

The Rockets most likely don't want him because they can't afford him. His contract would screw their cap, they're trying to get Melo and/ or will have to extend Parsons, you know? From that to your original statement 'nobody wants him' there is a stretch 28 teams long... in short, you're wrong and backpedalling now. It's ok, we've all been wrong before.


Right, I'm a Ryan Anderson stan :oldlol:
I dont know who you like, and I dont care.

Im sure some team in Yugoslavia would take him so I guess im wrong, you win.

And yes, I can guarantee the Rockets dont want him. There was interest at the trade deadline, but if you read my previous posts, I said the Rockets would not want to take on 9m per over the next three years, thus, they don't want him.

[Johnny Jones]

Pelicans continue to act as if they're on the cusp on contending. Last season they traded away a 1st round pick to get Jrue, then overpaid Tyreke. Now they trade another 1st rounder for Asik?


Look, I can appreciate a team that tries to be competitive... but in the modern NBA, you need to build through the draft, then bring in the big money FA's when you feel you're close to contending.

The Pelicans are doing it backwards, and what's going to happen is when the time for Davis to resign comes around... they're not going to have a future that he's interested in being a part of.
The thing is, by the time Davis is a UFA (going to be around 2020/2021) we could have completely restarted. Everybody on the team is off the books by 2016.

[DMAVS41]

Dwight did miss 10 games, and Houston was still almost the 3 seed...

What would make you think the Rockets could miss the playoffs with Melo and Harden even without Dwight?

Do you watch basketball?

Because the West is going to be even stronger next year.

Do you watch basketball?

The Rockets made the playoffs by 5 games. You can list off almost making teh 3 seed, but they lose 5 more games and they might be out.

The Warriors, Blazers, Mavs, and Suns are all going to be better this year.

The Pelicans just added a player that makes them a playoff contender as well. This deal improves them, but again, the West is so tough and their cap is so horrid that it might be jumping the gun yet again.

This Pelicans team tried 3 years too early to do all this. They should have kept Noel and sucked for a couple more years and loaded up on young talent and built up a ton of cap space. Then you make all these free agent plays when the conference gets a little weaker in 2 years and make your move then when Davis is ready to lead a team in the playoffs.

This Pelicans team will be good...perhaps really good if healthy, but they will still be huge underdogs to get out of the first round if they even make the playoffs. That ceiling doesn't warrant trading what likely could be back to back lottery picks.

As for the West...I don't see how you can say the Rockets are locks to make the playoffs with a potential injury.

Spurs
Thunder
Warriors
Blazers
Suns
Mavs
Grizzlies
Pelicans
Rockets
Clippers


And we don't know what the Lakers or Wolves are going to look like either.

There are going to be 2 really good teams, at least, missing the playoffs in the West this year.

[All Net]

Suns with Anderson would make them even more dangerous.

[UK2K]

Because the West is going to be even stronger next year.

Do you watch basketball?

The Rockets made the playoffs by 5 games. You can list off almost making teh 3 seed, but they lose 5 more games and they might be out.

The Warriors, Blazers, Mavs, and Suns are all going to be better this year.

The Pelicans just added a player that makes them a playoff contender as well. This deal improves them, but again, the West is so tough and their cap is so horrid that it might be jumping the gun yet again.

This Pelicans team tried 3 years too early to do all this. They should have kept Noel and sucked for a couple more years and loaded up on young talent and built up a ton of cap space. Then you make all these free agent plays when the conference gets a little weaker in 2 years and make your move then when Davis is ready to lead a team in the playoffs.

This Pelicans team will be good...perhaps really good if healthy, but they will still be huge underdogs to get out of the first round if they even make the playoffs. That ceiling doesn't warrant trading what likely could be back to back lottery picks.

As for the West...I don't see how you can say the Rockets are locks to make the playoffs with a potential injury.

Spurs
Thunder
Warriors
Blazers
Suns
Mavs
Grizzlies
Pelicans
Rockets
Clippers


And we don't know what the Lakers or Wolves are going to look like either.

There are going to be 2 really good teams, at least, missing the playoffs in the West this year.
Because they more or less sat Dwight Howard the last three weeks of the season, as well as Beverly, and Jones off and on.

The Rockets were the 4th youngest team in the league last season, so if anybody gets better, it will be them. You also said even if they got Melo, so if they could make the playoffs as the #4 seed, while taking the last month off (to posture away from OKC/LAC), and get Melo, and you still dont consider them a lock? Ok.

[DMAVS41]

Because they more or less sat Dwight Howard the last three weeks of the season, as well as Beverly, and Jones off and on.

The Rockets were the 4th youngest team in the league last season, so if anybody gets better, it will be them. You also said even if they got Melo, so if they could make the playoffs as the #4 seed, while taking the last month off (to posture away from OKC/LAC), and get Melo, and you still dont consider them a lock? Ok.

Because 5 games is nothing. And it might take even more to make the playoffs this year.

I just used the Rockets as an example. Virtually ever other team other than the Spurs, Clippers, and Thunder are in danger here with an injury.

Again, a lot of these teams are going to be better. And, even if the Lakers and Wolves don't make a lot of moves...they'll be better as well.

This conference is going to be insane next year unless there are major injuries. And projecting an injury to Howard for 10 games might be the difference when margins are this small.

The Grizzlies, for example, still won 50 despite Gasol, Conley, and Allen missing real time.

On paper this is the most loaded conference I've ever seen. And this is before we know what is happening with the Lakers and Wolves....or if Melo comes West.

[SOD 21]

Wouldn't Chris bosh be a very good fit in Houston as a stretch four that can help space the floor and also play some solid defense? He is also used to playing third fiddle and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be successful.

He could be a solid addition if Carmelo Anthony doesn't work out for them.

[UK2K]

Wouldn't Chris bosh be a very good fit in Houston as a stretch four that can help space the floor and also play some solid defense? He is also used to playing third fiddle and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be successful.

He could be a solid addition if Carmelo Anthony doesn't work out for them.
He is #4 on the list. He would have to opt out of course.

But yes he would be a good fit.

[SOD 21]

He is #4 on the list. He would have to opt out of course.

But yes he would be a good fit.

Who was third on Houston's list after Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James but ahead of Chris Bosh?

[GimmeThat]

I really liked what Monty Williams was able to do as a rookie coach the first year he got there.

Looking at that roster, I think they should be a 2nd rounder besides the fact that they are on the west.


I think he's going to be on the hot seat unless he's able to out coach the OKC/Portland/Rockets


As for that roster, 45 wins even in the west. Not saying Asik makes that big of a difference, but then as previous poster mentioned. Without losing Ryan Anderson, it really does.

[All Net]

Question is does trading Anderson for green make them better?

[Kidbasketball20]

Who was third on Houston's list after Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James but ahead of Chris Bosh?


Lowry

[UK2K]

Who was third on Houston's list after Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James but ahead of Chris Bosh?


Kevin love