Can anybody answer this?

[IamRAMBO24]

If we all came from natural birth and were descendants of apes, then how was the first ape conceived that created us?

[Real14]

we didn't came from apes:no:

[tmacattack33]

It came from patrick ewing

[Le Shaqtus]

Apes were probably natural birth and a descendent of something else, it's just one long ass line.

[KingBeasley08]

Apes were probably natural birth and a descendent of something else, it's just one long ass line.
This. Humans didn't evolve from apes. Both evolved from some common ancestor

[riseagainst]

they evolved from humans, which evolved from apes which evolved from humans, etc.

[DeuceWallaces]

We come from chimps. Anyway, your predecessor will give birth to a mutated version of themselves. If the mutation is pervasive in the population and/or local pressure on that mutation is strong enough it will persevere and become dominant. Eventually it will lead to speciation through population isolation or other mechanisms for speciation. This is the case for plants, animals, etc.

[KyleKong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBHxJBUv_A

There you go.

[boozehound]

hye dumbass, apes are a species. we are apes (as are chimps, gorillas).

It sounds like you have no clue about variation in a population and long term selective pressures leading to speciation.

It might be easier if you started with something tangible and with short generational times (like mendel's peas or standard plant domestication - say teosinte and maize).

[Levity]

c'mon, bro. its not that confusing. they were hatched from eggs.

[~primetime~]

We come from chimps.
Humans don't come from chimps, chimps and humans come from a common ancestor.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tQUrupv52mw/T-3hEm6d4zI/AAAAAAAAAxw/Hef6WKYAYYk/s400/human-evolution-simple-chart.gif

[nathanjizzle]

we and chimps evolved from dinosaurs. i suspect this is the one we evolved from

http://thomas-hopp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/McLoughlinDino.jpg
http://media2.firstshowing.net/firstshowing/img5/jurassicpark4-abandoned-dinosaurart1-med.jpg

[DaSeba5]

http://open.jorum.ac.uk/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10949/918/Items/S182_10_003i.jpg

Short answer: We didn't evolve from apes. We share a common ancestor.

[TheReal Kendall]

Genesis 1 26-27

26. Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

[Droid101]

Genesis 1 26-27

26. Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Nice piece of fiction. Care to post something from a scientific, peer-reviewed study instead?

[Booz Vivic]

It's all just random changes in DNA and we evolved randomly to be like we are.

[Droid101]

Short answer: We didn't evolve from apes. We share a common ancestor.
I like that chart. Australopithecus afarensis is the main, common ancestor most studies refer to as the branch that would eventually lead to man as we know it.

Fascinating stuff when you dive in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis

[Meticode]

We all come from star dust. That's all I believe in.

[robert de niro]

just because a chimp gave birth to you doesn't mean the rest did :no:

[sweggeh]

So where was the beginning? Did something just pop out of nowhere to start off a lineage of evolution? Thats not scientifically possible you retard f*ckers.

Some sad atheist f*ckers in this thread. Go suck on Darwins rotted d*ck.

[Droid101]

So where was the beginning? Did something just pop out of nowhere to start off a lineage of evolution? Thats not scientifically possible you retard f*ckers.

Some sad atheist f*ckers in this thread. Go suck on Darwins rotted d*ck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Also, not to dogpile on your perceived proudness about being ignorant, but what is more scientific about some wizard living in the sky poofing the world and humans into existence?

[DeuceWallaces]

Ah yes, more appropriate to say chimps are our closest relative. That's what I was thinking relative to OP talking about gorillas.

[~primetime~]

Ah yes, more appropriate to say chimps are our closest relative. That's what I was thinking relative to OP talking about gorillas.
You mean apes? OP never mentions "gorillas".

[~primetime~]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Also, not to dogpile on your perceived proudness about being ignorant, but what is more scientific about some wizard living in the sky poofing the world and humans into existence?
Pretty sure he was talking about the start of "life" (which is still unknown) and not the start of the universe.

just sayin...

[Droid101]

Pretty sure he was talking about the start of "life" (which is still unknown) and not the start of the universe.

just sayin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

There are actually very solid theories about it (some that are more solid than the theory of gravity, which I doubt he or anyone would argue about).

Science has come a long way.

Everyone on earth should be made to watch the show Cosmos. He explains complex subjects for anyone to be able to understand.

[IamRAMBO24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

There are actually very solid theories about it (some that are more solid than the theory of gravity, which I doubt he or anyone would argue about).

Science has come a long way.

Everyone on earth should be made to watch the show Cosmos. He explains complex subjects for anyone to be able to understand.

That explains nothing about human existence.

[boozehound]

http://open.jorum.ac.uk/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10949/918/Items/S182_10_003i.jpg

Short answer: We didn't evolve from apes. We share a common ancestor.
again, we are apes. apes are not a particular species, it is the broader class of organisms where we fit.


Decent phylogenetic tree of our known fossil ancestors and relations.

[D-Rose]

If we all came from natural birth and were descendants of apes, then how was the first ape conceived that created us?
Read up on the endosymbiotic theory and the eventual evolution that has led to the diversity we see today.

[boozehound]

We all come from star dust. That's all I believe in.
you would be correct. Since matter can be neither created or destroyed, the components of you, your hot ex-wife and every aspect of our planet are, in-fact, stardust.

In response to OP (obsolete philosopher)

Human origins are not distinct or different from the origins of life. We know more about direct human lineage than most other species. There are gaps in the fossil record, of course, but we have secure hominin evolutionary trajectories until ~8 million years ago, preceded by the larger hominoid trajectory with a great diversity during the proceeding miocene (perhaps the age of the primate).

Regardless, all of this info is readily available across the breadth of the interwebs. You dont need to start a thread here. Unless you are simple seeking attention.

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/overview-of-hominin-evolution-89010983

[Nanners]

we and chimps evolved from dinosaurs. i suspect this is the one we evolved from

http://thomas-hopp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/McLoughlinDino.jpg
http://media2.firstshowing.net/firstshowing/img5/jurassicpark4-abandoned-dinosaurart1-med.jpg

yep. what is really troubling is that most people dont realize that dinosaurs still walk the earth today, like that goddamn loch ness monster for example.

http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0050/Mlrkb49053.jpg

[GimmeThat]

well good thing God created an insane amount of animals before he created us so we would never starve.

next up, the ocean is a snake

[IamRAMBO24]

you would be correct. Since matter can be neither created or destroyed, the components of you, your hot ex-wife and every aspect of our planet are, in-fact, stardust.

In response to OP (obsolete philosopher)



This is why having a philosophical mind will always be tenfolds better than a scientific one. I'm just asking questions while you guys already know everything there is to know.

[DeuceWallaces]

This is why having a philosophical mind will always be tenfolds better than a scientific one. I'm just asking questions while you guys already know everything there is to know.

Lol I'd rather understand than pontificate.

[IamRAMBO24]

Lol I'd rather understand than pontificate.

This is why you're an idiot. The start of philosophy is based on the premise that they know nothing. From this premise, they started challenging every idea and dogma that was thought to be true.

I asked a question and instead of digging for answers these science nerds are pointing to star dust. Ya we're speckle of dust. Don't ask anymore questions. That's the answer.

[DeuceWallaces]

So you'd rather ask questions than find answers?

[IamRAMBO24]

So you'd rather ask questions than find answers?

There are no answers. Only questions. Even answers that are thought to be forever truths (facts) will change in the future as better and newer truths take its place.

[DeuceWallaces]

Uh, there are answers. Most our knowledge is not overturned every generation.

[IamRAMBO24]

The point is you keep on digging. You never rest at an idea even if it's the best idea you can think of. So when someone tells me we're nothing more than star dust and says there is nothing else, then he's an idiot pure and simple. If you think we came from apes and that's it, then the question I have is where did the apes come from?

That's the difference between thinking like a philosopher and a scientist.

[IamRAMBO24]

Uh, there are answers. Most our knowledge is not overturned every generation.

Uh yes it is.:facepalm

[DeuceWallaces]

Wow, you're really trying hard to sound smart but it's just not working. Is english your first language?

[IamRAMBO24]

Wow, you're really trying hard to sound smart but it's just not working. Is english your first language?

You do understand this is the reason why you're so hated right? You always cave in like a little b*tch with ad hocs when someone counters your point. The best course of action is to elaborate on your point.

You said nothing has changed a generation or so. I said you were wrong. Elaborate.

[Droid101]

You do understand this is the reason why you're so hated right?
Says the guy with full red bars to the guy with full green. :roll:

You're a dipshit dude. Go read a book please.

[DonD13]

nobody claims that we're 'descendants of apes'. the theory says that we have common ancestors. difference.

[Bandito]

You do understand this is the reason why you're so hated right? You always cave in like a little b*tch with ad hocs when someone counters your point. The best course of action is to elaborate on your point.

You said nothing has changed a generation or so. I said you were wrong. Elaborate.
Why dont you elaborate why hes wrong instead of asking him that. What you are doing is in fact answering questions instead of asking like your oh so called. Philosophers do.

[IamRAMBO24]

Why dont you elaborate why hes wrong instead of asking him that. What you are doing is in fact answering questions instead of asking like your oh so called. Philosophers do.

Answer what? Anybody who thinks the world is the same a generation ago is ignorant. There are too many things that changed for me to name, so I'm asking him what things have remain the same so I can refute those, which is easier.

[IamRAMBO24]

Instead of replying, DW negs me. What a b*tch.

[DaSeba5]

again, we are apes. apes are not a particular species, it is the broader class of organisms where we fit.


Decent phylogenetic tree of our known fossil ancestors and relations.

I think the better word to use is primates rather than apes. Hominids would also be accurate. We are also the only living hominins.

[RoseCity07]

It's all just random changes in DNA and we evolved randomly to be like we are.

Evolution is not random. Mutations are random. Evolution happens because we try to find the best possible mate. The people that don't have children, for whatever reason you can think of, are selected by nature and their genes are taken out of the pool. That's not random.

In the early stages of evolution, the life forms that could sense light the best had a better chance of survival than then ones that couldn't. Their genes get passed on. Then the next generation is made up of the life forms that had the better eye sight. This happens on and on and after so many generations the life forms evolve. The ones best suited to reproduce. Again, none of it was random.