Reports: Bosh & Wade likely to opt out by Monday

[D-Rose]

[QUOTE]@ByTimReynolds

[Meticode]

I excepted them to all opt out and take less money personally. They're all three in the best situation to win championships, and they're not going to win them unless they sacrifice.

[christian1923]

Wade and bosh are outta their minds. They already have 3 & 2 rings. Get that 20 mil

[Meticode]

Wade and bosh are outta their minds. They already have 3 & 2 rings. Get that 20 mil
:biggums:

[zoom17]

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[longtime lurker]

Wade and bosh are outta their minds. They already have 3 & 2 rings. Get that 20 mil

This. At this point these guys are taking paycuts to help Lebron's legacy. Some real beta shit. Stay in the weak east and create an even more stacked team

[D-Rose]

This. At this point these guys are taking paycuts to help Lebron's legacy. Some real beta shit. Stay in the weak east and create an even more stacked team
Yet, guys like Tim/Tony/Manu are commended for taking less money to create a better team. **** outta here.

[Haymaker]

Yet, guys like Tim/Tony/Manu are commended for taking less money to create a better team. **** outta here.

They're old as ****.

[BlazerRed]

Great.. all opt out, take less money and collude with Lowry. I used to like Lowry.. :facepalm

[Lebronxrings]

woot. Stay mad cavs fans. We going for a real 3 peat this time. Heatnation!

[bigkingsfan]

They're old as ****.
They would get more money on the open market, stay salty.

[longtime lurker]

Yet, guys like Tim/Tony/Manu are commended for taking less money to create a better team. **** outta here.

Tim/Tony/Manu aren't in their prime, but I wouldn't hold it against them if they took as much money as they could get.

Using this logic process why don't all the free agents just take minimum deals and you could have the most unbeatable team in the world. Competitive spirit in the NBA is beyond pathetic.

[LongLiveTheKing]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Trollsmasher]

Wade 10, Bosh 12, LeBron 18:applause:

[KyleKong]

Looking good for Miami.

[BasedTom]

They're old as ****.
Wade is the same age as Tony Parker and came into the league with a messed up meniscus. Not to mention the ton of other injuries that have happened since then.

Just putting that out there.

[bigkingsfan]

Using this logic process why don't all the free agents just take minimum deals and you could have the most unbeatable team in the world. Competitive spirit in the NBA is beyond pathetic.

Because they're not getting minimum deals. :confusedshrug:

[D-Rose]

They're old as ****.
They've been taking discounts for years. It's not a bad thing, I think it's great and unselfish.

TP has never made more than 13 mill/yr in his career. Manu's highest is 14, most years lower than 10. Duncan took that per year discount in the early 00's, aroun 17 mill/yr on that deal. It's great stuff, but total double standard to hate Miami's guys for it.

[Fork]

It's looking good. Hope they don't bend over for a western team like they did this finals

[Haymaker]

They've been taking discounts for years. It's not a bad thing, I think it's great and unselfish.

TP has never made more than 13 mill/yr in his career. Manu's highest is 14, most years lower than 10. Duncan took that per year discount in the early 00's, aroun 17 mill/yr on that deal. It's great stuff, but total double standard to hate Miami's guys for it.

It's simple: Miami's guys colluded, Spurs guys got drafted and remained loyal to their team. Go to bed kid.

[PleezeBelieve]

Best player in the league takes less money TWICE so owner don't have to pay luxury taxes :roll:

Owners gonna ass rape the Players Union next CBA :roll:

[D-Rose]

It's simple: Miami's guys colluded, Spurs guys got drafted and remained loyal to their team. Go to bed kid.
No need for cheap insults.

Certainly the situation is a bit different, but still...they want to take pay cuts to improve their team. Good on them!

[Jameerthefear]

No big deal. There's a new force in the East.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrLUBRNCcAEHOef.jpg

[Haymaker]

No big deal. There's a new force in the East.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrLUBRNCcAEHOef.jpg

:roll:

[PleezeBelieve]

No need for cheap insults.

Certainly the situation is a bit different, but still...they want to take pay cuts to improve their team. Good on them!
The 'team' belongs to the owner. Shut yo ass up.

[GrapeApe]

All year we hear about how much Bosh sucks and how Wade misses every other game. Now that it appears they're taking less money people are salty. I never though I'd see the day where a professional athlete is criticized for making too little.

[iTare]

jameer is wrong

[Fork]

All year we hear about how much Bosh sucks and how Wade misses every other game. Now that it appears they're taking less money people are salty. I never though I'd see the day where a professional athlete is criticized for making too little.


It's the Heat, they'll get criticized no matter what

[Jameerthefear]

Wade and Bosh?
Who gives a shit?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrGGrbkCQAA9-mD.jpg

[FlawlessVictory]

Fairly inevitable. Would have been a lot more interesting if there was one or two legit alternatives for LeBron out there; nothing comes close to what Miami offers him imo. That comes from someone who cannot stand the Heat.

[BasedTom]

Wade and Bosh?
Who gives a shit?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrGGrbkCQAA9-mD.jpg
Please dude. We all know how much you were riding on Exum- now he's suddenly "unproven" and "Nobody has watched him, Henni is a genius"

But whatever, maybe the Magic won't **** things up this time around.

[Jameerthefear]

Please dude. We all know how much you were riding on Exum- now he's suddenly "unproven" and "Nobody has watched him, Henni is a genius"

But whatever, maybe the Magic won't **** things up this time around.
Riding on Exum? :oldlol: Tbh I never gave a shit about Exum.

[Haymaker]

Fairly inevitable. Would have been a lot more interesting if there was one or two legit alternatives for LeBron out there; nothing comes close to what Miami offers him imo. That comes from someone who cannot stand the Heat.

The most attractive thing being that Bron knows the East is weak. If he had a great opportunity in the West he would think about it twice.

[bigkingsfan]

The most attractive thing being that Bron knows the East is weak. If he had a great opportunity in the West he would think about it twice.

Good luck getting out next year. :D

[FlawlessVictory]

The most attractive thing being that Bron knows the East is weak. If he had a great opportunity in the West he would think about it twice.

Leaving the East would be insane in many ways.

Hoping the Bulls can put together a legit roster to challenge them over the next few years. Unfortunately the Pacers cheap ass owners precludes them from ever topping the Heat imo.

[edrick]

Tim/Tony/Manu aren't in their prime, but I wouldn't hold it against them if they took as much money as they could get.

Using this logic process why don't all the free agents just take minimum deals and you could have the most unbeatable team in the world. Competitive spirit in the NBA is beyond pathetic.

Wade is still in his prime? That's news to me.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Wade and bosh are outta their minds. They already have 3 & 2 rings. Get that 20 mil

Straight up if I was them, I would do the same. Wade is almost done, might as well try to collect as much cash as possible.

[ihatetimthomas]

They've been taking discounts for years. It's not a bad thing, I think it's great and unselfish.

TP has never made more than 13 mill/yr in his career. Manu's highest is 14, most years lower than 10. Duncan took that per year discount in the early 00's, aroun 17 mill/yr on that deal. It's great stuff, but total double standard to hate Miami's guys for it.

How is colluding with top tier players and taking a little less money being unselfish? They took a small cut to win titles for themselves. There is no such thing as being unselfish in the NBA because everyone is making decisions for the greater good of themselves. They didnt do this for the team. They did it so they themselves can win titles.

[D-Rose]

How is colluding with top tier players and taking a little less money being unselfish? They took a small cut to win titles for themselves. There is no such thing as being unselfish in the NBA because everyone is making decisions for the greater good of themselves. They didnt do this for the team. They did it so they themselves can win titles.
I meant this time around, they're supposedly going to be taking bigger pay cuts if they want impact players.

You don't think the sacrifices they made on the court have shown unselfishness? Each was the #1 alpha dog on their team in their primes...takes a lot to overcome that and share the spotlight. So many times we have seen that fail. See: 2012 Lakers.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I like how any time the Heat get a player now, it's gonna be called collusion.

[BasedTom]

Straight up if I was them, I would do the same. Wade is almost done, might as well try to collect as much cash as possible.
Wade could very well be set for the next life when it comes to money

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/chinese-shoe-dwayne-wade-richest-athlete/

So who knows, maybe that might be the difference between him opting in or not.

Bran is also rich as **** from endorsements. Bosh? Well he's been saying for a good while that he'd rather win championships and be part of a good team than put up godly stats on a shit one. He's said before that he wants to retire in a Heat jersey and that he loves living in Miami. He has the most expensive house out of any NBA player- and it is in Miami.

[Droid101]

Best player in the league takes less money TWICE so owner don't have to pay luxury taxes :roll:

Owners gonna ass rape the Players Union next CBA :roll:
Bingo. Second cap.

Next CBA is going to be like... 40 million cap, only first year of contracts can be guaranteed, max salary is 7 mil per year, no raises, no minimum salary.

[longtime lurker]

They've been taking discounts for years. It's not a bad thing, I think it's great and unselfish.

TP has never made more than 13 mill/yr in his career. Manu's highest is 14, most years lower than 10. Duncan took that per year discount in the early 00's, aroun 17 mill/yr on that deal. It's great stuff, but total double standard to hate Miami's guys for it.

The only reason the Spurs players took pay cuts is because the owner is too cheap to go into luxury tax. They could have made all the same moves while in luxury tax. The fact that they managed to trade George Hill for a future finals MVP has more to do with their success than having their big 3 take pay cuts so Tiago Splitter can get 10 million a year.

As for Miami's big 3 this is just bitch made. As soon as they lose instead of manning up and seeing how they can each improve individually they decide let's stack the team up even more. They going to do this every year they don't win the title? Other teams in the league should start colluding with Chicago and Indiana and just start gifting them players. Also the NBA just needs to get rid of conferences. This is a joke.

[D-Rose]

The only reason the Spurs players took pay cuts is because the owner is too cheap to go into luxury tax. They could have made all the same moves while in luxury tax. The fact that they managed to trade George Hill for a future finals MVP has more to do with their success than having their big 3 take pay cuts so Tiago Splitter can get 10 million a year.

As for Miami's big 3 this is just bitch made. As soon as they lose instead of manning up and seeing how they can each improve individually they decide let's stack the team up even more. They going to do this every year they don't win the title? Other teams in the league should start colluding with Chicago and Indiana and just start gifting them players. Also the NBA just needs to get rid of conferences. This is a joke.
No rational person who covers/watches the NBA would tell you that Miami could win the title with the same squad. I think they're opting out to bring in quality rotation guys, not a Melo.

Their bench and role players were awful in the Finals. Seriously, did you see Chalmers/Cole? They obviously need to upgrade, and the only way to have proper flexibility was to opt out and give Pat Riley room to operate.

Honestly, if this was the Lakers with these guys, you wouldn't give two shits.

[Droid101]

Honestly, if this was the Lakers with these guys, you wouldn't give two shits.
Bullshit. I'd think the same damn thing.

I'd be really glad they did it, but I would still think it's a bitch move.

[BasedTom]

The only reason the Spurs players took pay cuts is because the owner is too cheap to go into luxury tax. They could have made all the same moves while in luxury tax. The fact that they managed to trade George Hill for a future finals MVP has more to do with their success than having their big 3 take pay cuts so Tiago Splitter can get 10 million a year.

As for Miami's big 3 this is just bitch made. As soon as they lose instead of manning up and seeing how they can each improve individually they decide let's stack the team up even more. They going to do this every year they don't win the title? Other teams in the league should start colluding with Chicago and Indiana and just start gifting them players. Also the NBA just needs to get rid of conferences. This is a joke.
Other teams should make themselves worse to help Miami's rivals knock them off? The NBA should change the system that has been in place forever just because the Eastern Conference sucks ass and Miami benefits from being on the East Coast? **** them for being unloyal mercenaries, but now **** them for sticking to the same team they've been on for the last 4 years?

If you're going to hate, at least put up a reasonable argument instead of just parroting mindless bullshit that we both know is ridiculous.

[Thunderfan86]

As for Miami's big 3 this is just bitch made. As soon as they lose instead of manning up and seeing how they can each improve individually they decide let's stack the team up even more. They going to do this every year they don't win the title? Other teams in the league should start colluding with OKC and just start gifting them players. Also the NBA just needs to get rid of conferences. This is a joke.
Fixed

[Droid101]

Other teams should make themselves worse to help Miami's rivals knock them off? The NBA should change the system that has been in place forever just because the Eastern Conference sucks ass and Miami benefits from being on the East Coast?

If you're going to hate, at least put up a reasonable argument instead of just parroting mindless bullshit that we both know is ridiculous.
Yes. Let's get the 16 best teams in the playoffs please.

[D-Rose]

Bullshit. I'd think the same damn thing.

I'd be really glad they did it, but I would still think it's a bitch move.
We'll never know.

[Droid101]

We'll never know.
Kobe took a pay cut. :confusedshrug:



:D

[oh the horror]

Other teams should make themselves worse to help Miami's rivals knock them off? The NBA should change the system that has been in place forever just because the Eastern Conference sucks ass and Miami benefits from being on the East Coast? **** them for being unloyal mercenaries, but now **** them for sticking to the same team they've been on for the last 4 years?

If you're going to hate, at least put up a reasonable argument instead of just parroting mindless bullshit that we both know is ridiculous.


I actually don't think it's that ridiculous.


You have teams in the western conference with winning records missing the playoffs. And you have teams in the east with losing records making the playoffs.


If the Heat continue to nab players (especially from the same eastern conference) then wtf are we watching at this point?


Might as well have the 16 best teams in the nba go at it and see what happens. Instead of watching one team big rig truck their way through the styrofoam east. While west teams kill themselves against one another. I say mix it all up and have it out.

[J Shuttlesworth]

We'll never know.
Didn't the Spurs big 3 take paycuts to get better support a few years ago?

[D-Rose]

The East/West disparity really is unfortunate. I'm not against the best 16 making it.

[D-Rose]

Didn't the Spurs big 3 take paycuts to get better support a few years ago?
They've generally taken contracts lower than market value all career. So, yes.

[JT123]

The only reason the Spurs players took pay cuts is because the owner is too cheap to go into luxury tax. They could have made all the same moves while in luxury tax. The fact that they managed to trade George Hill for a future finals MVP has more to do with their success than having their big 3 take pay cuts so Tiago Splitter can get 10 million a year.

As for Miami's big 3 this is just bitch made. As soon as they lose instead of manning up and seeing how they can each improve individually they decide let's stack the team up even more. They going to do this every year they don't win the title? Other teams in the league should start colluding with Chicago and Indiana and just start gifting them players. Also the NBA just needs to get rid of conferences. This is a joke.
:oldlol: the butt hurt is strong in this one. :banana:

[PleezeBelieve]

LeBron/Wade/Bosh playing far below their NBA market value not only hurts the conference (and it does) but it hurts the entire NBA. Nothing 'good' can come from players playing so far below their market value in their prime.

Only stupid people would male an argument otherwise. How many other teams have the chance to pay LeBron .60 on the NBA dollar for his services??

This sh*t is disgraceful

[Real14]

:lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wade/Bosh playing far below their NBA market value not only hurts the conference
l
lol. You think a team would take Wade's contract after he only plays a game every full moon? He is not worth his contract, and Bosh lowered his market value with his playoffs performance as well.

Maybe you'll feel better if Diaw and Mills stay in their contract and play under their market value, along w/ duncan/ginobli/parker who are already doing the same.

[JT123]

LeBron/Wade/Bosh playing far below their NBA market value not only hurts the conference (and it does) but it hurts the entire NBA. Nothing 'good' can come from players playing so far below their market value in their prime.

Only stupid people would male an argument otherwise. How many other teams have the chance to pay LeBron .60 on the NBA dollar for his services??

This sh*t is disgraceful
:facepalm Who the hell is considered in their prime during their 12th season? Ray Allen teamed up with Pierce and KG in his 12th season, and everyone said it was okay because he was an old man. By this logic Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are old men. :confusedshrug:

[Blue&Orange]

They would get more money on the open market, stay salty.
lol wut? everyone was making fun of the spurs for the money they gave Manu.

The excuses for the three v.aginas keep pouring in.

First it was the celtics "blueprint", comparing 35 olds teaming up with 3 top5 players in the east teaming up in their prime.

Now it's the spurs "blueprint", comparing 36 old players who are paid what they are worth, with players in their prime taking pay cuts.

[D-Rose]

lol wut? everyone was making fun of the spurs for the money they gave Manu.

The excuses for the three v.aginas keep pouring in.

First it was the celtics "blueprint", comparing 35 olds teaming up with 3 top5 players in the east teaming up in their prime.

Now it's the spurs "blueprint", comparing 36 old players who are paid what they are worth, with players in their prime taking pay cuts.
You are sadly mistaken. The Spurs Big 3 have taken pay cuts all their careers. TP's highest annual salary was only 13 mill!!! Manu at 14 mill. Duncan took less than he could have in 02/03ish, in his prime.

[JT123]

lol wut? everyone was making fun of the spurs for the money they gave Manu.

The excuses for the three v.aginas keep pouring in.

First it was the celtics "blueprint", comparing 35 olds teaming up with 3 top5 players in the east teaming up in their prime.

Now it's the spurs "blueprint", comparing 36 old players who are paid what they are worth, with players in their prime taking pay cuts.
KG, Allen, and Pierce were 35 seven years ago? :biggums:
I know Knicks fans are stupid, but I at least thought they knew how to do 1st grade math. :lol

[BasedTom]

Yes. Let's get the 16 best teams in the playoffs please.
So would they just eliminate Conferences and Divisions altogether? Or just a best of 16 records- which would still arguably be swung by how Eastern teams have to play each other more. Wouldn't travel and other arrangements be more difficult?

Just to make it harder on Miami, and Boston and easier for the Lakers? Hmm, tell me more...doubt there's any biases in play there

Really though, there's always going to be certain unfair advantages- unless the NBA suddenly decided that all franchises were relocating to the same city and all the existing teams were to be rebranded so that FAs go solely based on where they can make the most money. The Lakers benefit from being the Lakers and playing in a big market. The Timberwolves and Jazz don't. All of them suffer from being in the West. But the absolute prime reason that they suck right now is because their front office has made bad decisions. You're never going to get a truly equal playing field if that's what you're shooting for.

[longtime lurker]

No rational person who covers/watches the NBA would tell you that Miami could win the title with the same squad. I think they're opting out to bring in quality rotation guys, not a Melo.

Their bench and role players were awful in the Finals. Seriously, did you see Chalmers/Cole? They obviously need to upgrade, and the only way to have proper flexibility was to opt out and give Pat Riley room to operate.

Honestly, if this was the Lakers with these guys, you wouldn't give two shits.

They just made the finals this year. The team already addressed their point guard needs with a solid draft pick. The East is so pathetic and the team is so good that they could have been back in the finals with minor tweaks. These guys don't have any mental toughness. The first sign of adversity and they all opt out again and say we aren't stacked enough! They're going after Lowry, a borderline all star point guard. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a pitch at Melo too.

[D-Rose]

They just made the finals this year. The team already addressed their point guard needs with a solid draft pick. The East is so pathetic and the team is so good that they could have been back in the finals with minor tweaks. These guys don't have any mental toughness. The first sign of adversity and they all opt out again and say we aren't stacked enough! They're going after Lowry, a borderline all star point guard. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a pitch at Melo too.
Yes, because Shabazz Napier is the answer at PG. :facepalm If he makes the rotation in year 1, it will be an accomplishment.

[niko]

You people are nuts if you think Wade is taking 10 a year or Lebron is taking 18, etc. Dream on.

[longtime lurker]

So would they just eliminate Conferences and Divisions altogether? Or just a best of 16 records- which would still arguably be swung by how Eastern teams have to play each other more. Wouldn't travel and other arrangements be more difficult?

Just to make it harder on Miami, and Boston and easier for the Lakers? Hmm, tell me more...doubt there's any biases in play there

Really though, there's always going to be certain unfair advantages- unless the NBA suddenly decided that all franchises were relocating to the same city and all the existing teams were to be rebranded so that FAs go solely based on where they can make the most money. The Lakers benefit from being the Lakers and playing in a big market. The Timberwolves and Jazz don't. All of them suffer from being in the West. But the absolute prime reason that they suck right now is because their front office has made bad decisions. You're never going to get a truly equal playing field if that's what you're shooting for.

Easy solution. Eliminate conferences division winners get an automatic playoff birth. Every team plays each other twice and the rest of the games are split evenly between teams in each conference. Tell me how hard is that? The game is suffering right now and the 3 clowns are only making it more unbearable to watch until the finals.

[BasedTom]

They just made the finals this year. The team already addressed their point guard needs with a solid draft pick. The East is so pathetic and the team is so good that they could have been back in the finals with minor tweaks. These guys don't have any mental toughness. The first sign of adversity and they all opt out again and say we aren't stacked enough! They're going after Lowry, a borderline all star point guard. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a pitch at Melo too.
So they should try and put out the same exact team that got demolished? Or they should look for scrubs instead of who they think are the best players that have a mutual interest with the team?

You do realise that the goal is to win a championship right? The GMs job is pretty much to build as "stacked" or deep a team as he can with the money being entrusted to him. And again, not everyone has a level playing field or an equal hand. It's just the way it is.

[Beastmode88]

You people are nuts if you think Wade is taking 10 a year or Lebron is taking 18, etc. Dream on.

Maybe he'll get a small percent of ownership and/or profit.

[longtime lurker]

Yes, because Shabazz Napier is the answer at PG. :facepalm If he makes the rotation in year 1, it will be an accomplishment.

:facepalm jesus Christ did I say that's the only move they needed to make? They can make other signings and trades to address their needs. I've never seen a finals team that needed this much help in my life. But hey keep making excuses for a bunch of quitters.

[D-Rose]

:facepalm jesus Christ did I say that's the only move they needed to make? They can make other signings and trades to address their needs. I've never seen a finals team that needed this much help in my life. But hey keep making excuses for a bunch of quitters.
You do realize Miami has zero assets? They would have had minuscule financial flexibility if no one opted out. That's the facts. Do with them what you want.

[flipogb]

I can still see desperate teams giving these guys near max money. I don't see why they wouldn't leave, 1 or 2 more championships mean nothing to Bosh as he wont't get any credit and Wade will just be a role player.

[BasedTom]

I can still see desperate teams giving these guys near max money. I don't see why they wouldn't leave, 1 or 2 more championships mean nothing to Bosh as he wont't get any credit and Wade will just be a role player.
Or maybe Wade has...now get this, loyalty? And maybe Bosh doesn't give a shit about what people on the internet think about him?

If they left you'd be shitting on them for not caring about championships and being all about the money- hired mercenaries. But because it looks like they're staying now they're betas. Okay, dude.

[BlazerRed]

Best player in the league takes less money TWICE so owner don't have to pay luxury taxes :roll:

Owners gonna ass rape the Players Union next CBA :roll:
This. Hilarious.. ****ing Riley is laughing his ass off right now. Riding the monetary fruits of being a successful team and paying no luxury tax to boot :roll:

[roffie]

and this is why they are called the cHeat

[MJ(Mean John)]

Tim/Tony/Manu aren't in their prime, but I wouldn't hold it against them if they took as much money as they could get.

Using this logic process why don't all the free agents just take minimum deals and you could have the most unbeatable team in the world. Competitive spirit in the NBA is beyond pathetic.

This is what this guy at work was saying.

He was saying that history has always seen the best players make Max contracts. And teams build around them, the best they could without players taking pay cuts, the fact that guys are "taking pay cuts" so that they can team out with other great players who are taking pay cuts is cheating.

You're altering true competition. You should be able to build a winner by guys taking their worth. The salary you get should be close to a 1:1 relationship with how good you are. And when you're doing talent to salary at 2:1, then you're cheating.

Makes sense to me. It is cheating.

[BrownEye007]

All year we hear about how much Bosh sucks and how Wade misses every other game. Now that it appears they're taking less money people are salty. I never though I'd see the day where a professional athlete is criticized for making too little.
The only people saying this are Lebron stans. Everybody else knows that Wade and Bosh are still both way above average players.

[Lebron23]

The only people saying this are Lebron stans. Everybody else knows that Wade and Bosh are still both way above average players.


Did you watched the NBA Finals?? Only LBJ was the consistent player for the Heat.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2014_finals.html#SAS-MIA

Bosh and Wade don't deserve a max contract. If they just played above average in this series.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Straight up if I was them, I would do the same. Wade is almost done, might as well try to collect as much cash as possible.
Wade already made 100-200 million dollars in his career.
he made AT LEAST 100 million after paying taxes.
he needs more money doe:rolleyes: :wtf: :biggums:

[BasedTom]

Wade already made 100-200 million dollars in his career.
he made AT LEAST 100 million after paying taxes.
he needs more money doe:rolleyes: :wtf: :biggums:
I already posted about it, but Wade has a shoe deal with Li Ning, a Chinese company and other endorsements/investments. Wade seems to be very popular in China, and if I remember correctly before the 2012-2013 the team visited China and played a game against the Clippers there.

So yeah, he's ****ing rich and has a good chance at being even richer down the line. Even with his crazy ex-wife leeching off of him.

Opting-out doesn't seem so unrealistic

[Marchesk]

woot. Stay mad cavs fans. We going for a real 3 peat this time. Heatnation!

Wade will be on crutches by then.

[coin24]

Beta as fu*k:facepalm

3 prime all stars isnt enough? Pathetic:lol

[oh the horror]

This is what this guy at work was saying.

He was saying that history has always seen the best players make Max contracts. And teams build around them, the best they could without players taking pay cuts, the fact that guys are "taking pay cuts" so that they can team out with other great players who are taking pay cuts is cheating.

You're altering true competition. You should be able to build a winner by guys taking their worth. The salary you get should be close to a 1:1 relationship with how good you are. And when you're doing talent to salary at 2:1, then you're cheating.

Makes sense to me. It is cheating.



I'm not sure if it's exactly "cheating" but it does speak for the competitive nature of players now. Fans, media and such have put such a huge emphasis on winning rings that these dudes don't even give a shit how they're doing it as long as they're racking up rings on their resumes.



Let's face it the league is changing.

[Baller1986]

Beta as fu*k:facepalm

3 prime all stars isnt enough? Pathetic:lol

Wade is past his prime. He's 4 years younger than Kobe, but his game didn't age well.

[pastis]

:facepalm Who the hell is considered in their prime during their 12th season? Ray Allen teamed up with Pierce and KG in his 12th season, and everyone said it was okay because he was an old man. By this logic Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are old men. :confusedshrug:

dirk

[Paul George 24]

Did you watched the NBA Finals?? Only LBJ was the consistent player for the Heat.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2014_finals.html#SAS-MIA

Bosh and Wade don't deserve a max contract. If they just played above average in this series.

PLZ EXPLAIN WHY WADE LOOKED UNSTOPPABLE WHEN PLAYING AGAINST PACERS :lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol @ idiots calling wade a prime super star. WTF? Did you even watch the finals?

[Meticode]

lol @ idiots calling wade a prime super star. WTF? Did you even watch the finals?
How did he do the rest of the playoffs? I'm not saying he's a prime super-star, but Wade had an awful lot of flack because of 5 games. He played the rest of the playoffs like a HoF SG.

[pastis]

wade is just an ec star. and this his whole career. not impressed:durantunimpressed:

[BasedTom]

How did he do the rest of the playoffs? I'm not saying he's a prime super-star, but Wade had an awful lot of flack because of 5 games. He played the rest of the playoffs like a HoF SG.
Good point, but those 5 games mattered much, much more than the ones leading up to it.

[Meticode]

Good point, but those 5 games mattered much, much more than the ones leading up to it.
No doubt, but it's amazing what 5 games does. Before the series started people said he was look like the Wade of old, even all the commentators were. I don't know if he was playing through injuries or ran out of gas or what.

[bdreason]

They have to opt out by Monday. :oldlol:

[BasedTom]

No doubt, but it's amazing what 5 games does. Before the series started people said he was look like the Wade of old, even all the commentators were. I don't know if he was playing through injuries or ran out of gas or what.
Every Heat player not named Lebron James seemed to have gone through the exact same thing. (not a stan, btw, but let's face it, the team suddenly just stopped in its tracks)

Jesus was that disappointing to watch.

[J Shuttlesworth]

No doubt, but it's amazing what 5 games does. Before the series started people said he was look like the Wade of old, even all the commentators were. I don't know if he was playing through injuries or ran out of gas or what.
Yeah the shame of it is the fact that his rest all year was purposely to keep him ready for the playoffs and finals, but it really looked like he was out of gas in that last series. It was a shame to see. His defensive effort was not there at all

[Meticode]

Every Heat player not named Lebron James seemed to have gone through the exact same thing. (not a stan, btw, but let's face it, the team suddenly just stopped in its tracks)

Jesus was that disappointing to watch.
I salivated it.

[navy]

No doubt, but it's amazing what 5 games does. Before the series started people said he was look like the Wade of old, even all the commentators were. I don't know if he was playing through injuries or ran out of gas or what.

It wasnt even 5 games. It was the last two games really. These fools had their abilities straight zapped like a movie or something :facepalm

[Meticode]

It wasnt even 5 games. It was the last two games really. These fools had their abilities straight zapped like a movie or something :facepalm
True. So Wade averaged something like 19/4/4 on 52%+ shooting the whole playoffs, then sucks the last two games and everyone hates the guy now. LOL

[BasedTom]

I salivated it.
I don't doubt that.

I wasn't even reading anything related to the NBA, but wound up on a Cleveland news site and the anchor on the video actually said "Good news today is that the San Antonio Spurs defeated the Miami Heat! The entire nation outside of Miami rejoices!" ...Wtf? Is it really that bad in Cleveland?

It's sort of laughable really. It's like the North Korea of American sports, at least from how it looks over here.

[bdreason]

Wade missed like 30% of the season, played solid throughout the Leastern Conference playoffs, then folded in the Finals.

Wade was never a good fit with LeBron, but they made it work. Wade at 75% really isn't a good fit with LeBron. What Wade needs to do is take a significant pay cut, and work on his 3pnt shot... because his body isn't getting any younger.

Jason Kidd was able to develop a legitimate 3pnt shot late in his career, and I don't see why Wade can't do the same.

[BasedTom]

True. So Wade averaged something like 19/4/4 on 52%+ shooting the whole playoffs, then sucks the last two games and everyone hates the guy now. LOL
I can tell you that in Miami, Wade is a king. Even after this shitshow. No amount of dumb First Take interviews with DJ Khaled or bran stans from bum**** iowa posting on ISH will change that.

[DMAVS41]

Yet, guys like Tim/Tony/Manu are commended for taking less money to create a better team. **** outta here.

The whole discount thing is stupid when talking about the Spurs.

Duncan made like 21 million through 2012 and then got a little over 10 the last two years.

That is not a huge paycut really...it's just accurately getting paid your value.

The Kobe contract skews this...he got paid literally 2.5 times his on court value last summer.

Duncan post 2010 is worth between 10 to 15 million a year...

Manu and Parker might get paid more elsewhere, but they aren't worth more than their current contracts either.

Factor in no state tax in Texas and it's absolutely not a paycut really at all.


If the Heat...especially Lebron/Bosh take real cuts...that is something to note. Not the big 3 taking accurate contracts at their age.

Lebron/Bosh combining to only make 26 million a year or something is far more of a sacrifice than Duncan making 21 million in 2012...and then 10 million a year over the last 3.

[DaSeba5]

A lot of salt in this thread. The team is old and broken down. They need to take less money if they want to retool. They have no other option if they want to win another title.

[veilside23]

wade may no longer in his prime but outside of kobe who is seriously going to give you better numbers than what dwade did..

lance ?
harden ?

is wade no longer top 5 sg ?

do seriously believe that if ever chris bosh is on another team that he would average 11 and 7?

[D-Rose]

The whole discount thing is stupid when talking about the Spurs.

Duncan made like 21 million through 2012 and then got a little over 10 the last two years.

That is not a huge paycut really...it's just accurately getting paid your value.

The Kobe contract skews this...he got paid literally 2.5 times his on court value last summer.

Duncan post 2010 is worth between 10 to 15 million a year...

Manu and Parker might get paid more elsewhere, but they aren't worth more than their current contracts either.

Factor in no state tax in Texas and it's absolutely not a paycut really at all.


If the Heat...especially Lebron/Bosh take real cuts...that is something to note. Not the big 3 taking accurate contracts at their age.

Lebron/Bosh combining to only make 26 million a year or something is far more of a sacrifice than Duncan making 21 million in 2012...and then 10 million a year over the last 3.

Again, I have pointed out, over and over again in this thread that they have taken discounts for years, in their primes as well.

Duncan's 7 year deal signed in the early 00s was for an average of 17 mill a year. TP's highest salary in a yr in his whole career is only 13 mill, Manu's is 14 mill. That's pretty significant.

[Bandito]

Wade and bosh are outta their minds. They already have 3 & 2 rings. Get that 20 mil
I agree. Money over b1tches all day long.

B1tches being nba fans and Lebron stans.

[DMAVS41]

Again, I have pointed out, over and over again in this thread that they have taken discounts for years, in their primes as well.

Duncan's 7 year deal signed in the early 00s was for an average of 17 mill a year. TP's highest salary in a yr in his whole career is only 13 mill, Manu's is 14 mill. That's pretty significant.

That is a different argument though.

I have no problem with it either way. I just don't like people pretending like Lebron taking a significant cut at his peak is similar to what Duncan did after 12.

[J Shuttlesworth]

do seriously believe that if ever chris bosh is on another team that he would average 11 and 7?
Do you seriously believe he averages 11 and 7 on the Heat? :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

So the Heat have already added a player in Napier that will help by the time of the playoffs likely...and now they are going to have the most cap space in the league and agreements with Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Haslem to all come back at reduced year to year salary.

Must be nice to be Riley.

[longtime lurker]

Other teams must be pissed. A team like Phoenix has to entertain giving up Bledsoe because he's seeking a max contract yet Miami has 3 all stars that are willing to sign for far below their market value to attract more all stars...

[pmj]

So the Heat have already added a player in Napier that will help by the time of the playoffs likely...and now they are going to have the most cap space in the league and agreements with Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Haslem to all come back at reduced year to year salary.

Must be nice to be Riley.

Wade at 14 mill will still be overpaid IMO, and definitely will be in a year or two. I'm sure he's getting a 4 year deal too.

Bosh would be a good deal around 14-15.

That's still only leaving say 5-10 remaining after Cole/Napier/Ray/Haslem/cap holds. Not sure how much you can really get with that, and Birdmans probably gone too. I don't see them being significantly better unless they get lucky with young guys stepping up.

[Duderonomy]

Let be real you would rather have Wiggins,waiters, Bennett on rookie scales than wade and Bosh at 15-20 mil each :lol

[DMAVS41]

Wade at 14 mill will still be overpaid IMO, and definitely will be in a year or two. I'm sure he's getting a 4 year deal too.

Bosh would be a good deal around 14-15.

That's still only leaving say 5-10 remaining after Cole/Napier/Ray/Haslem/cap holds. Not sure how much you can really get with that, and Birdmans probably gone too. I don't see them being significantly better unless they get lucky with young guys stepping up.

I just doubt they are all going to take paycuts for that. If they take paycuts...I imagine they will be noticeably better on paper at least.

I just can't imagine them all taking hits on real dollar amounts like that to get slightly better.

We'll see though.

[pmj]

I just doubt they are all going to take paycuts for that. If they take paycuts...I imagine they will be noticeably better on paper at least.

I just can't imagine them all taking hits on real dollar amounts like that to get slightly better.

We'll see though.

Thing is, they have to if they want to continue their run. If the big 3 stayed as is, they'd have been right at luxury tax territory with only the big 3, Cole, Napier, Ray, holds. They'd only have the tax payer mle at 3 mill, and vet mins.

Really the only option IMO is to take some cuts in per year salary, with more guaranteed dollars, and hope to get another actual contributor like Lowry, Gortat, etc. Need to try to luck out on someone fairly cheap like Atl did with Millsap, and get some new shooters.

[D-Rose]

That is a different argument though.

I have no problem with it either way. I just don't like people pretending like Lebron taking a significant cut at his peak is similar to what Duncan did after 12.
They've all signed on for less in their primes than they could have received, how is that debatable? Tony Parker could be making 22 mill a year with other teams, but he has never made more than 13 mill a year.

[GimmeThat]

how many players left on the FA market are willing to take a paycut in order to compete and that can provide real meaningful minutes to the team?


we are also not factoring that Battier has retired.



any FA that wants to sign with the Heat is going to HAVE to take a paycut big 3 style. Or there's no way they ink that paper.

[Droid101]

I... I just don't get it. If you want to guarantee a ring, have everyone take one year contracts every year for the minimum, right?

Why all this nonsense of opting out and reducing by a little bit?

[D-Rose]

[QUOTE]@ByTimReynolds

[livinglegend]

confirmed. What kind of deal will he take now? He has opted out of 2/$42 mill.....I'm guessing 4-5 yrs at about 15 mill per.

15 mill is too much for him. He is a 7M player at this point of his career. But since he opted out from a 20 mill contract, i wouldnt be surprised if he got overpaid and got something like 15M.

[longtime lurker]

I... I just don't get it. If you want to guarantee a ring, have everyone take one year contracts every year for the minimum, right?

Why all this nonsense of opting out and reducing by a little bit?

This. Better yet why doesn't every free agent sign with the Heat pacers and bulls. They can make so much more money with endorsements!