The best Player of San Antonio Spurs year by year (in the Popovich era)

[robert_shaww]

1997: David Robinson
1998: David Robinson
1999: David Robinson
2000: David Robinson
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Manu Ginobili
2006: Manu Ginobili
2007: Manu Ginobili
2008: Manu Ginobili
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Manu Ginobili
2012: Manu Ginobili
2013: Tony Parker
2014: K. Leonard

No Agenda here. just my opinion.

[onhcetum]

this is too obvious. now i know to not take you seriously

[r0drig0lac]

1997 - 2014 Tim Duncan

[Myth]

this is too obvious. now i know to not take you seriously

This. How in the hell is the OP in green?

[fpliii]

1997: Duncan wasn't drafted yet...and Robinson missed the year with a broken foot
1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Tony Parker
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tim Duncan
2014: Kawhi Leonard

[ninephive]

Saying Kawhi was the best player in 2014 is like saying Tony Parker was the best player in 2007.

[fpliii]

Saying Kawhi was the best player in 2014 is like saying Tony Parker was the best player in 2007.
I'm probably overreacting a bit to the Finals, but he looked damn good closing the year out. Would you go Duncan or Parker then?

[Haymaker]

More on.

[Beastmode88]

Weren't u going to leave the forums after okc and miami got beat?

[Lebronxrings]

i truthfully see nothing wrong with what the OP posted. Most of yall act like duncan was the undisputed best player with scrub like guys.

[Beastmode88]

i truthfully see nothing wrong with what the OP posted. Most of yall act like duncan was the undisputed best player with scrub like guys.

So bran got beat by a scrub? :lol

[T_L_P]

Agenda thread, tbh.

I can tell you get so pissed off when people praise Duncan. You're definitely a butthurt stan of someone else, or Duncan is the guy who put his middle finger up to you when you were recording him. Which is it?

Duncan is head and shoulders above everyone else in 06. He lead the league in Playoff PER, and Manu's stupidity cost them the chance at another championship.

1998: Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: Robinson
2001: Duncan
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Duncan
2008: Duncan
2009: Parker
2010: Duncan
2011: Manu
2012: Parker
2013: Parker (Duncan right there with him)
2014: Duncan

[pastis]

1997: David Robinson
1998: David Robinson
1999: David Robinson
2000: David Robinson
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Manu Ginobili
2006: Manu Ginobili
2007: Manu Ginobili
2008: Manu Ginobili
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Manu Ginobili
2012: Manu Ginobili
2013: Tony Parker
2014: K. Leonard

No Agenda here. just my opinion.

:applause: :applause: EXACTLY MY LIST AS WELL. EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

all these trolls seeing duncan as best player UNTIL 2008 and then in 2014 again. i mean WTF? until 2008? thats like saying tyson chandler was the best player on the mavs roster. ridiculous. especially seeing duncan best in 2005 and 2007. what a shame and so disresepectuful to ginobili and parker who led the team to 3 chips. duncan stans are so bitchy against all other spurs.

[T_L_P]

:applause: :applause: EXACTLY MY LIST AS WELL. EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

all these trolls seeing duncan as best player UNTIL 2008 and then in 2014 again. i mean WTF? until 2008? thats like saying desgana diop was the best player on the mavs roster. ridiculous.

How is it not Duncan in 06 or 07?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan - Manu for playoffs
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Manu
2009: Manu
2010: Manu
2011: Manu
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tim Duncan
2014: Manu

[J Shuttlesworth]

How is it not Duncan in 06 or 07?
TLP, I like you man, but how do you always try to debate w/ robert_shaww and his alts in his troll threads?

[T_L_P]

1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan - Manu for playoffs
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Manu
2009: Manu
2010: Manu
2011: Manu
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tim Duncan
2014: Manu

Very good list, but you definitely got 09 wrong. Manu played 44 regular season games (compared to Tim's 75 and Parker's 72) and missed the entire Playoffs.

[pastis]

1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan - Manu for playoffs
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Manu
2009: Manu
2010: Manu
2011: Manu
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tim Duncan
2014: Manu

so you are saying 2005 manu for the playoffs, but not parker in 2007?:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

and if kobe was on the spurs


how many of you guys would have manu, parker, leonard on your list for any season pre achiles injury


duncan cant be better than kobe all time if for half his career hes been a kick stand to guys like that

i said it before.. no shame in being runner up to prime shaq

but to manu, leonard or tony? common

[pastis]

TLP, I like you man, but how do you always try to debate w/ robert_shaww and his alts in his troll threads?

yea you MUST be an alt when you think that duncans succes is overrated and pop and manu and parker contributed so much to the spurs succes (like duncan has as well, but his stans are completly disrespectful to his m8s and coach).

and how many times did you see that role players like green, splitter and leonardh ruling threw the whole playoffs? i mean even in the finals where it matters most? leonardh? cmmon? its awlays the star player, or at least a second option who is dominating and carrying the team. but spurs are so ridiculous stacked, that kwai fvcking leonard can easily take over the series and win playoffs mvp.

[pastis]

and if kobe was on the spurs




how many of you guys would have manu, parker, leonard on your list for any season pre achiles injury


duncan cant be better than kobe all time if for half his career hes been a kick stand to guys like that

i said it before.. no shame in being runner up to prime shaq

but to manu, leonard or tony? common

none. no duncan hating here, but that is cpt. obvious like

[J Shuttlesworth]

yea you MUST be an alt when you think that duncans succes is overrated and pop and manu and parker contributed so much to the spurs succes.

and how many times did you see that role players like green, splitter and leonardh ruling threw the whole playoffs? i mean even in the finals where it matters most? leonardh? cmmon? its awlays the star player, or at least a second option who is dominating and carrying the team. but spurs are so ridiculous stacked, that kwai fvcking leonard can easily take over the series and win playoffs mvp.
Ok maybe you're not an alt. robert_shaww could at least type at an 8th grade level

[pastis]

Ok maybe you're not an alt. robert_shaww could at least type at an 8th grade level

that hurts:cry:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Very good list, but you definitely got 09 wrong. Manu played 44 regular season games (compared to Tim's 75 and Parker's 72) and missed the entire Playoffs.
True switch him with Tony then

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

so you are saying 2005 manu for the playoffs, but not parker in 2007?:facepalm
Manu was way way way better offensively than Tony. Manu explode that playoff he destroyed the Pistons defense in the finals. He was the Spurs best offensive player Tony wasnt even better than Manu in 07. And Manu was way better defender than Tony. Tony was inconsistent as shit he do well one game then shoot 30% with 6 turnovers the next.

[bdreason]

Tim Duncan was the best player on the Spurs from his rookie year until 2014. Even the year when Tony Parker was getting MVP talks... Duncan was still the best player on the team.

[Genaro]

1998: David Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: David Robinson
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Manu Ginobili
2008: Manu Ginobili
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Tony Parker
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tony Parker
2014: K. Leonard

2014 is not overreacting to the finals, Leonard been good all year. Spurs went 8-8 without him and 54-12 with him.

[T_L_P]

1998: David Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: David Robinson
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Manu Ginobili
2008: Manu Ginobili
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Tony Parker
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tony Parker
2014: K. Leonard

2014 is not overreacting to the finals, Leonard been good all year. Spurs went 8-8 without him and 54-12 with him.

Manu in 07?

[bigkingsfan]

12 points and 6 boards per game is the best player now? LOL

[BoutPractice]

this is too obvious. now i know to not take you seriously
Wait, it took you this long?

[rmt]

Agenda thread, tbh.

I can tell you get so pissed off when people praise Duncan. You're definitely a butthurt stan of someone else, or Duncan is the guy who put his middle finger up to you when you were recording him. Which is it?

Duncan is head and shoulders above everyone else in 06. He lead the league in Playoff PER, and Manu's stupidity cost them the chance at another championship.

1998: Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: Robinson disagree - Duncan - unless it's because TD didn't play in playoffs
2001: Duncan
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Duncan
2008: Duncan
2009: Parker
2010: Parker disagree - Duncan
2011: Manu
2012: Parker
2013: Parker
2014: Duncan

1999-2000
Duncan 23.2 pts / 12.4 rebs / 3.2 asst / 2.2 blks 49%
DRob 17.8 pts / 9.6 rebs / 1.8 asst / 2.3 blks 51.2%

2009-10
Duncan 17.9 pts / 10.1 rebs / 3.2 asst / 1.5 blks 51.8%
Parker 16 pts / 5.7 asst 48.7%

2010 playoffs
Duncan 19 pts / 9.9 rebs / 2.6 asst / 1.7 blks 52%
Parker 17.3 pts / 5.4 asst 47.4%


Tim Duncan was the best player on the Spurs from his rookie year until 2014. Even the year when Tony Parker was getting MVP talks... Duncan was still the best player on the team.

When counting the defensive end of the court, he has been the best player overall since he anchors the defense and Parker/Manu don't have anywhere near his impact defensively. However, offensively, he did take a big dip in 2011 - all other years, he's been close offensively to either TP/Manu while maintaining the defense.

[T_L_P]

1999-2000
Duncan 23.2 pts / 12.4 rebs / 3.2 asst / 2.2 blks 49%
DRob 17.8 pts / 9.6 rebs / 1.8 asst / 2.3 blks 51.2%

2009-10
Duncan 17.9 pts / 10.1 rebs / 3.2 asst / 1.5 blks 51.8%
Parker 16 pts / 5.7 asst 48.7%

2010 playoffs
Duncan 19 pts / 9.9 rebs / 2.6 asst / 1.7 blks 52%
Parker 17.3 pts / 5.4 asst 47.4%

Yep, that is the only reason why. Robinson did play very well in the Playoffs too.

Damn, I didn't realise they were the numbers in 2010. Maybe it was Duncan.

[TimmyDuncan]

Look like some of you watch 2 or 3 spurs games per year

1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Parker
2010: Manu
2011: Tough one : Manu or Duncan
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tony Parker
2014: Tough one, Parker or Duncan.

And Kawhi is getting overrated as hell. He was a role player all year until the finals and now he is the best player from 2014???

I hope he will get to an all-nba level but it was not in 2014

[Big#50]

Look like some of you watch 2 or 3 spurs games per year

1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Parker
2010: Manu
2011: Tough one : Manu or Duncan
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tony Parker
2014: Tough one, Parker or Duncan.

And Kawhi is getting overrated as hell. He was a role player all year until the finals and now he is the best player from 2014???

I hope he will get to an all-nba level but it was not in 2014
2013 it was Tim. He should have been DPOY. Tim has been the best except in 2011 and probably 2012.

[SHABBA]

2011, 2012 and 2014 are the only years that it wasn't Timmy. And even they are debatable.

[Horde of Temujin]

Agenda thread, tbh.

I can tell you get so pissed off when people praise Duncan. You're definitely a butthurt stan of someone else, or Duncan is the guy who put his middle finger up to you when you were recording him. Which is it?

Duncan is head and shoulders above everyone else in 06. He lead the league in Playoff PER, and Manu's stupidity cost them the chance at another championship.

1998: Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: Robinson
2001: Duncan
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Duncan
2008: Duncan
2009: Parker
2010: Parker
2011: Manu
2012: Parker
2013: Parker
2014: Duncan

If its any consolation, I dont think Stern was allowing anybody to beat Miami in '06

[moe94]

So bran got beat by a scrub? :lol
dat reading comprehension

[Shep]

1997: Wilkins
1998: Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: Duncan
2001: Duncan
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Duncan
2008: Duncan
2009: Duncan
2010: Duncan
2011: Duncan
2012: Duncan
2013: Duncan
2014: Duncan

[ArbitraryWater]

this is too obvious. now i know to not take you seriously

robert_shaww honestly might be the most delusional and ****ed up poster in ISH History... not just does he have pastis, 5 rings fan, casual fan, as other accounts... but he also has all these 2011 made accounts who always seem to have around 100 posts, which he uses to bump his threads with.

I mean, you're like the only guy who says "i" not "I", and then the "to not" instead of "not to"... Stop it. Embarrassing. And yes, me, with my 8 k posts, am asking you to get a life.. Not just because of the volume of posts, but because of what you he do with them. Pathetic.

[Anaximandro1]

- Duncan was the best player from 1997-98 until 2010

- 2011 - 2014 Spurs are similar to the Larry Brown's Pistons. The Spurs have very good players, but they lack a #1


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0kTDaKTmeh8/U665PtShNmI/AAAAAAAADH8/H0kNqdQf7sk/s1600/3.jpg

[pastis]

robert_shaww honestly might be the most delusional and ****ed up poster in ISH History... not just does he have pastis, 5 rings fan, casual fan, as other accounts... but he also has all these 2011 made accounts who always seem to have around 100 posts, which he uses to bump his threads with.

I mean, you're like the only guy who says "i" not "I", and then the "to not" instead of "not to"... Stop it. Embarrassing. And yes, me, with my 8 k posts, am asking you to get a life.. Not just because of the volume of posts, but because of what you he do with them. Pathetic.

haha, dude, ask a mod. he can confirm that im not robert_shaww :applause: he surely is able to locate the routers
:facepalm

i dont get your agenda. so all kobe stans are one person? all lebron stans one person? is it for you impossible to think that duncan is overrated, so that robert shaw and I must be the same person?

[robert_shaww]

robert_shaww honestly might be the most delusional and ****ed up poster in ISH History... not just does he have pastis, 5 rings fan, casual fan, as other accounts... but he also has all these 2011 made accounts who always seem to have around 100 posts, which he uses to bump his threads with.

I mean, you're like the only guy who says "i" not "I", and then the "to not" instead of "not to"... Stop it. Embarrassing. And yes, me, with my 8 k posts, am asking you to get a life.. Not just because of the volume of posts, but because of what you he do with them. Pathetic.

i have only 1 account. Why do you think i have 2011 made accounts?

because i think duncan is a little overrated?


i have only 1 account, to not understand it is your problem.

[GODbe]

1997: David Robinson
1998: David Robinson
1999: David Robinson
2000: David Robinson
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Manu Ginobili
2006: Manu Ginobili
2007: Manu Ginobili
2008: Manu Ginobili
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Manu Ginobili
2012: Manu Ginobili
2013: Tony Parker
2014: K. Leonard


:facepalm

[HurricaneKid]

12 points and 6 boards per game is the best player now? LOL

Its like a puzzle. If someone puts in a player that played 44 games or someone who came off the bench, or is suggesting that TD wasn't tremendous in 2007 they are almost certainly a KobeStan. Kobestans don't even grasp the concept of objectivity so they can't fake it.

[DMAVS41]

1997: Duncan wasn't drafted yet...and Robinson missed the year with a broken foot
1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Tony Parker
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tim Duncan
2014: Kawhi Leonard

How was Parker better than Duncan in 10? Parker wasn't himself all year dealing with injuries and had one of his worst years of his career. Manu was clearly better than Parker in 2010.

[fpliii]

How was Parker better than Duncan in 10? Parker wasn't himself all year dealing with injuries and had one of his worst years of his career. Manu was clearly better than Parker in 2010.
Good point, I was just thinking more broadly in terms of "whose team was it?" generalizations.

Manu by and large has better than Parker, I agree.

[Odinn]

1997-98: Duncan (almost a tie with Robinson)
1998-99: Duncan
1999-00: Duncan
2000-01: Duncan
2001-02: Duncan
2002-03: Duncan
2003-04: Duncan
2004-05: Duncan
2005-06: Duncan
2006-07: Duncan
2007-08: Duncan
2008-09: Duncan (almost a tie with Parker)
2009-10: Duncan (almost a tie with Ginobili)
2010-11: Parker
2011-12: Duncan
2012-13: Duncan
2013-14: Duncan *

2013-14 is the hardest to pick just one. Duncan was the most consistent one through the season. Especially in the playoffs. But Leonard and Ginobili stepped up big time in the playoffs (especially in the Finals). Parker wasn't as consistent as Duncan and although he had his moments, those moments weren just as big as Leonard's or Ginobili's.


The only season Duncan wasn't the best was 2010-11. We all know Duncan seemed like he had completely lost his mobility. But that was due lack of synovial liquid on his knees.

[houston]

tony been the most consistent spurs these past 3 years

[Legends66NBA7]

Wilkins should be 96/97.

[Anaximandro1]

btw, Popovich era ??


25 years of the Robinson - Duncan era

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BgHAymTeuWs/U6-L9bBddDI/AAAAAAAADIg/PpNLKdjiOog/s1600/2.jpg

[Shep]

Wilkins should be 96/97.
oh ya good point :sleeping

[robert_shaww]

Duncan in 2011 playoffs: 12ppg. and people said he was the best player...lol

[Shep]

Duncan in 2011 playoffs: 12ppg. and people said he was the best player...lol
ya, also doubled the teams next best rebounder, and blocked 3 times more shots than anyone else. Ginobili was the teams best player in the playoffs, Duncan was the best player in the regular season, with the overall edge to Duncan.

[houston]

:oldlol: @ Duncan being the best player on the spurs this year

[NBAplayoffs2001]

i truthfully see nothing wrong with what the OP posted. Most of yall act like duncan was the undisputed best player with scrub like guys.

Protecting his boyfriend, they make such an adooooooooorable couple.

[T_L_P]

:oldlol: @ Duncan being the best player on the spurs this year

Lead the team in PER and Win Shares.

I know you think he's a role player, but you haven't yet defended that stance.

It's only him or Parker, and Parker had a terrible Playoff run by the numbers...and there are enough examples of them chugging along without him too.

[T_L_P]

Duncan in 2011 playoffs: 12ppg. and people said he was the best player...lol

Nobody game him that year, idiot

[robert_shaww]

Nobody game him that year, idiot

TLP: you have a problem with me? im just pointing duncan wasnt the best player of the spurs in many years, and im not the only one who thinks in that direction. its not personal, its not agenda, its unbiased thinking here.

[T_L_P]

TLP: you have a problem with me? im just pointing duncan wasnt the best player of the spurs in many years, and im not the only one who thinks in that direction. its not personal, its not agenda, its unbiased thinking here.

Not many though. The select few that have are your alts and Kobe stans.

By MVP votes, Duncan was the best player from 98-09, then again in 13.

You can't really defend your positions, so this thread is dumb.

Why is it Manu in 07 if that's your opinion? Surely you can tell me why?

[ninephive]

Look like some of you watch 2 or 3 spurs games per year

1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Parker
2010: Manu
2011: Tough one : Manu or Duncan
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tony Parker
2014: Tough one, Parker or Duncan.

And Kawhi is getting overrated as hell. He was a role player all year until the finals and now he is the best player from 2014???

I hope he will get to an all-nba level but it was not in 2014
I agree with everything in this post.

[houston]

Lead the team in PER and Win Shares.

I know you think he's a role player, but you haven't yet defended that stance.

It's only him or Parker, and Parker had a terrible Playoff run by the numbers...and there are enough examples of them chugging along without him too.


duncan: no all-star,all-defense, all-nba

parker: all-star,all-nba


Come on man you know Parker was ding up during the Spurs playoff run and he still was the highest scorer in the Finals along with Leonard.

Duncan just played the primary big role on a championship team. Dude put up Horace Grant numbers now all of a sudden he was the team best player lol.

[T_L_P]

duncan: no all-star,all-defense, all-nba

parker: all-star,all-nba


Come on man you know Parker was ding up during the Spurs playoff run and he still was the highest scorer in the Finals along with Leonard.

Duncan just played the primary big role on a championship team. Dude put up Horace Grant numbers now all of a sudden he was the team best player lol.

Bold = lead the team

Regular season:

Parker: 17/2/6/1
Duncan: 15/10/3/1/2

Parker: 18.9 PER, .555 TS%, 5.9 WS, .141 WS/48, 110 ORtg, 107 DRtg
Duncan: 21.3 PER, .535 TS%, 7.4 WS, .164 WS/48, 106 ORtg, 98 DRtg

Playoffs

Parker: 17/2/5/1
Duncan: 16/9/2/1.5

Parker: 15.8 PER, .531 TS%, 1.1 WS, .071 WS/48, 103 ORtg, 109 DRtg
Duncan: 21.1 PER, .568 TS%, 3.2 WS, .204 WS/48, 120 ORtg, 104 DRtg

Duncan was the best Spur this season. The numbers and the impact say as much. Parker has the All-NBA award though.

Also, stop with this big body shit. Splitter is just a big body, and he averaged 8 and 6. :facepalm

Duncan is a 15/10 guy whilst anchoring the defense at 38 years old. If you don't think there's anything special in that then you are misguided. What Duncan did this season is simply of more worth than what Parker did.

Edit: I'm not even saying it isn't Parker. I'm saying at this point it is your job to say why it is Parker, because all the available data points to it being Duncan.

[houston]

Bold = lead the team

Regular season:

Parker: 17/2/6/1
Duncan: 15/10/3/1/2

Parker: 18.9 PER, .555 TS%, 5.9 WS, .141 WS/48, 110 ORtg, 107 DRtg
Duncan: 21.3 PER, .535 TS%, 7.4 WS, .164 WS/48, 106 ORtg, 98 DRtg

Playoffs

Parker: 17/2/5/1
Duncan: 16/9/2/1.5

Parker: 15.8 PER, .531 TS%, 1.1 WS, .071 WS/48, 103 ORtg, 109 DRtg
Duncan: 21.1 PER, .568 TS%, 3.2 WS, .204 WS/48, 120 ORtg, 104 DRtg

Duncan was the best Spur this season. The numbers and the impact say as much. Parker has the All-NBA award though.

Also, stop with this big body shit. Splitter is just a big body, and he averaged 8 and 6. :facepalm

Duncan is a 15/10 guy whilst anchoring the defense at 38 years old. If you don't think there's anything special in that then you are misguided. What Duncan did this season is simply of more worth than what Parker did.


Dude just played the Horace Grant role on a title team that very special to you?:roll:

So a player that was the only all-star/all-nba performer on title team but the other player was the team best player cause he played like Horace grant on a title team??:oldlol:

Of course he going to have higher PER etc... new age stat geeking stuff CAUSE HE PLAYED MORE GAMES IN THE REGULAR SEASON than Parker:rolleyes:

[T_L_P]

Dude just played the Horace Grant role on a title team that very special to you?:roll:

So a player that was the only all-star/all-nba performer on title team but the other player was the team best player cause he played like Horace grant on a title team??:oldlol:

Of course he going to have higher PER etc... new age stat geeking stuff CAUSE HE PLAYED MORE GAMES IN THE REGULAR SEASON than Parker:rolleyes:

That's your response? Really? I'm done with this kid.

I could just as easily say Parker played the Kenny Smith role on this team, but it wouldn't mean much.

You really have nothing. You just sound like an idiot. PER doesn't even factor in numbers of games played, but the two played the same amount in the Playoffs and he still had a much higher PER and three times as many WIn Shares.

If you hate statistics at least explain why it was Parker from a pure impact point.. All you're doing is throwing out conjecture to fit your stupid agenda. It's hilarious. :oldlol:

[houston]

That's your response? Really? I'm done with this kid.

I could just as easily say Parker played the Kenny Smith role on this team, but it wouldn't mean much.

You really have nothing. You just sound like an idiot. PER doesn't even factor in numbers of games played, but the two played the same amount in the Playoffs and he still had a much higher PER and three times as many WIn Shares.

If you hate statistics at least explain why it was Parker from a pure impact point.. All you're doing is throwing out conjecture to fit your stupid agenda. It's hilarious. :oldlol:


Dude was the team only all-star/allnba player this season that all I need to know. Lead his team in scoring and assist during the season. Played at a high level consistent these past 3 years.


My thing about PER is Dirk Notwinski always been a high per/win share player but my eyes see that alot of times Dirk would choke in clutch:oldlol: hell Dirk have higher win shar/PER over Kobe Bryant that don't mean he the better player.:oldlol:

[T_L_P]

Revising my original list:

1998: Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: Duncan
2001: Duncan
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Manu/Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Duncan
2008: Duncan
2009: Duncan
2010: Manu
2011: Manu
2012: Parker (Manu was the best player when healthy, Duncan was the best Spur in the postseason)
2013: Parker/Duncan
2014: Kawhi/Duncan
2015: Duncan/Green

I originally had Robinson in 2000 but I watched games 1 and 3 of the Phoenix series again, and Robinson was considerably worse than I remember him being. I also had Duncan for 05 but Manu was the best Spur in the Playoffs.

[SamuraiSWISH]

1998: Mr. Robinson
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Tony Parker
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Coach Pop
2014: Coach Pop

[robert_shaww]

Revising my original list:

1998: Robinson
1999: Duncan
2000: Duncan
2001: Duncan
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: Duncan
2005: Manu/Duncan
2006: Duncan
2007: Duncan
2008: Duncan
2009: Duncan
2010: Manu
2011: Manu
2012: Parker (Manu was the best player when healthy, Duncan was the best Spur in the postseason)
2013: Parker/Duncan
2014: Kawhi/Duncan
2015: Duncan/Green

I originally had Robinson in 2000 but I watched games 1 and 3 of the Phoenix series again, and Robinson was considerably worse than I remember him being. I also had Duncan for 05 but Manu was the best Spur in the Playoffs.
Duncan 2015????? Come on....
please....

[keep-itreal]

2016: Kawhi Leonard
2017: Kawhi Leonard
2018: Kawhi Leonard
2019: Kawhi Leonard
2020: Kawhi Leonard

[T_L_P]

Duncan 2015????? Come on....
please....

Kawhi's missed too many games. Parker's been borderline bad when he's played.

Who else even is there? Duncan is a legitimate DPOY candidate and is averaging 16/11/3. Like I said, it's him and Green.

[ArbitraryWater]

1997: Duncan wasn't drafted yet...and Robinson missed the year with a broken foot
1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Tony Parker
2012: Tony Parker
2013: Tim Duncan
2014: Kawhi Leonard

2013 should easily be Parker IMO.

He hasn't been the same since (alot of miles on him), but that year he was an MVP candidate.

[T_L_P]

2013 should easily be Parker IMO.

He hasn't been the same since (alot of miles on him), but that year he was an MVP candidate.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

Duncan's RAPM was a 7.3, 4th in the whole league.

Parker's was a 3.3, still very good (he was in the top 40 from the looks of it)

Parker had .9 more Win Shares than Duncan throughout the season (though, I would say in argument that Marion lead the 06 Suns in Win Shares). Duncan also had a better Box +/- and VORP.

I think they were both tied. I'd personally always take the big if the stats are close though. Defense simply can't be qualified with numbers, even though I greatly appreciate what RAPM can do.

It can go either way (so I have no problem with you choosing TP). I just wouldn't say it was Parker easily. :confusedshrug:

He was balling though. :pimp:

[ArbitraryWater]

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

Duncan's RAPM was a 7.3, 4th in the whole league.

Parker's was a 3.3, still very good (he was in the top 40 from the looks of it)

Parker had .9 more Win Shares than Duncan throughout the season (though, I would say in argument that Marion lead the 06 Suns in Win Shares). Duncan also had a better Box +/- and VORP.

I think they were both tied. I'd personally always take the big if the stats are close though. Defense simply can't be qualified with numbers, even though I greatly appreciate what RAPM can do.

It can go either way (so I have no problem with you choosing TP). I just wouldn't say it was Parker easily. :confusedshrug:

He was balling though. :pimp:

I just, don't remember it being much of a question during the season.. I remember Duncan having a rejuvenation, back to all-star level, but Parker was mentioned in MVP talks. He was their guy that took the team to the next level, mainly with his scoring abiliy. Like Kawhi in 2014.

When Kawhi was on his game the Spurs were a totally different monster than when Duncan had it going.. But I guess due to defensive reasons I wouldn't have a problem with you tying both.

[T_L_P]

I just, don't remember it being much of a question during the season.. I remember Duncan having a rejuvenation, back to all-star level, but Parker was mentioned in MVP talks. He was their guy that took the team to the next level, mainly with his scoring abiliy. Like Kawhi in 2014.

When Kawhi was on his game the Spurs were a totally different monster than when Duncan had it going.. But I guess due to defensive reasons I wouldn't have a problem with you tying both.

I mean, Parker was like 7th in overall MVP voting and Duncan was 8th. Duncan was also All-NBA First Team and All-Defensive First Team. And there was a period of time where Parker was injured and Duncan was gaining some ground in overall talks (he was basically carrying us as Parker wasn't playing).

But what you are describing is what it has always been like. It's cliche to say, but Duncan is just so consistent. We don't become an all time great team when he raises his game because his raised game isn't that much better than what he brings in on a nightly basis (especially defensively). Whereas with Parker, he had the 2013 Regular Season and he has literally never come close to replicating that kind of play. It's like the players so, Duncan is the foundation that everything is built on. :confusedshrug:

When comparing players I like the one who has something to fall back on. When Duncan's shot isn't falling (like in the first couple rounds of the 13 Playoffs), you can still rely on him to anchor your defense, play smart, unselfish basketball, and be a leader.

When Parker can't get his offense going (ala games 6 and 7 of the 13 Finals), he's almost useless. :confusedshrug:

[rmt]

I mean, Parker was like 7th in overall MVP voting and Duncan was 8th. Duncan was also All-NBA First Team and All-Defensive First Team. And there was a period of time where Parker was injured and Duncan was gaining some ground in overall talks (he was basically carrying us as Parker wasn't playing).

But what you are describing is what it has always been like. It's cliche to say, but Duncan is just so consistent. We don't become an all time great team when he raises his game because his raised game isn't that much better than what he brings in on a nightly basis (especially defensively). Whereas with Parker, he had the 2013 Regular Season and he has literally never come close to replicating that kind of play. It's like the players so, Duncan is the foundation that everything is built on. :confusedshrug:

When comparing players I like the one who has something to fall back on. When Duncan's shot isn't falling (like in the first couple rounds of the 13 Playoffs), you can still rely on him to anchor your defense, play smart, unselfish basketball, and be a leader.

When Parker can't get his offense going (ala games 6 and 7 of the 13 Finals), he's almost useless. :confusedshrug:

I agree with a lot of this especially regarding Duncan's play. He is the backbone/foundation of the Spurs - even when his shot isn't falling, he does so many other things. In fact, I LOVE when Duncan is not scoring much - that means that the rest of the team is scoring easily and he doesn't have to exert himself offensively. It's Manu who when he plays well takes this team to another level - just makes everyone better - the ball movement/team play is sublime when he's on. Because that state is so inconsistent (but so beautiful) while Duncan is groundhog, one might give more credence to Manu. Parker doesn't have the flashes of brilliance that Manu has and is much more consistent but what he gives on the defensive half of the court cannot be compared to Duncan - TP has been one of the worst if not the worst Spur defensively this year.

The whole thing/premise about all-nba, all-star in recent years is that because the Spurs record has been so good (near the top), there has to be a requisite representative and of course, the powers that be are going to pick the flashier offensive player (again ignoring the defensive half) but in terms of who does what for this team and their importance/value, I'm pretty sure Pop would choose Duncan over Parker (even at Duncan's advanced age).

[Hittin_Shots]

OP doesn't see the defensive end of the court while watching obviously. Also if Parkers assists as a pg should not be comparable to Duncan's assists as a PF/C 1-1 which is the only argument with actual evidence you've put forward..

If a team is great at offence and plays piss poor defence they will lose.

[miles berg]

Tim Duncan has been since the day he stepped on the court.

[HurricaneKid]

There was one year that Manu played comparable minutes that he ranked higher than Timmy on RAPM. Manu has even had a few top 5 RAPM seasons and still fallen short. TP hasn't ever been close.

Last year Tmmy led in RAPM and Kawhi led in WS. But anyone saying Parker ever is probably wrong there.

[They Won]

1997: David Robinson
1998: David Robinson
1999: David Robinson
2000: David Robinson
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Manu Ginobili
2006: Manu Ginobili
2007: Manu Ginobili
2008: Manu Ginobili
2009: Tony Parker
2010: Tony Parker
2011: Manu Ginobili
2012: Manu Ginobili
2013: Tony Parker
2014: K. Leonard

No Agenda here. just my opinion.

:roll:

[robert_shaww]

:roll:
2015: Danny Green

[Anaximandro1]

yawn

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MZP5rKbhWdA/VLKV8ks9u2I/AAAAAAAADpE/zrRm7uKwzr8/s1600/10.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dwKnuu8bJ5M/VLKV8iE_bEI/AAAAAAAADpA/EUwlVQk0iLE/s1600/9.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NLWbZ7xJKGE/VKTWTkoRC0I/AAAAAAAADng/WRlvPCJ03yU/s1600/8.jpg

[Spurs5Rings2014]

1997: Tim Duncan
1998: Tim Duncan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Tim Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Tim Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Tim Duncan
2009: Tim Duncan
2010: Tim Duncan
2011: Tim Duncan
2012: Tim Duncan
2013: Tim Duncan
2014: Tim Duncan
2015: Tim Duncan

[rmt]

yawn

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MZP5rKbhWdA/VLKV8ks9u2I/AAAAAAAADpE/zrRm7uKwzr8/s1600/10.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dwKnuu8bJ5M/VLKV8iE_bEI/AAAAAAAADpA/EUwlVQk0iLE/s1600/9.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NLWbZ7xJKGE/VKTWTkoRC0I/AAAAAAAADng/WRlvPCJ03yU/s1600/8.jpg

Nothing like indisputable numbers/stats to shut up the Kobe/Lebron stans or Duncan haters that Duncan is the most important Spur (even up to this day) - especially when counting defense.

[robert_shaww]

2015: Danny Green
:roll: