LOL Lebron wants 2 superstars + 1 star to win?

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

he is goat alright

:roll:

[Fork]

Wade is not a superstar
And Bosh was never a superstar

[navy]

The Heat have only had 1 Superstar for a while now....

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Wade is not a superstar
And Bosh was never a superstar

ok whatever makes u sleep better

[tmacattack33]

In 2007, Lebron took a team with no other star to the Finals.

In 2012, Bosh was out for Rounds 2 and 3, and hampered in the Finals. So, Lebron won with 1 star that year.

So no, he doesn't need another super-star.

[KingPush]

Wade is not a superstar
And Bosh was never a superstar
this...


Calling Bosh is a superstar is like calling gasol a superstar...
And lol at calling wade a superstar

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP, here's an option. Choose a superstar to win a ring with:

Player A: 31.5 PPG, 12.9 RPG, 6.7 APG, 46% shooting
Player B: 36.3 PPG, 12.3 RPG, 3.8 APG, 59.5% shooting

Who do you choose?

[nzahir]

this...


Calling Bosh is a superstar is like calling gasol a superstar...
And lol at calling wade a superstar
But gasol was better tham bosh, not even close during the runs. Better rebounder, better post game, better defender, bigger body, better passer; only thing bosh does it shoot it better; but pau can shoot it too.

[Bless Mathews]

Wade is not a superstar
And Bosh was never a superstar
Lol.

4 seasons averaging 22 points 10 boards.

1 season averaging 24 points 11 boards

When's he's first option.

You don't know basketball.

Bosh was a beast.

[Fork]

Lol.

4 seasons averaging 22 points 10 boards.

1 season averaging 24 points 11 boards

When's he's first option.

You don't know basketball.

Bosh was a beast.

Yeah, he was a beast. But what did he accomplish? Superstars have stats and credentials. He was just a star, that's good enough

[Warfan]

Lol.

4 seasons averaging 22 points 10 boards.

1 season averaging 24 points 11 boards

When's he's first option.

You don't know basketball.

Bosh was a beast.

So anthony davis, blake griffin, lma, al jefferson, kevin love etc are all superstars? If i were to make a thread about who are the superstars in the league (which I have already http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324994) the only players people will say are LeBron and probably KD, a rare mention of melo and maybe WB/CP3

[stalkerforlife]

Bosh has been relegated to spot up shooting because if he plays really well, it makes Bron look worse. He is still a 20 and 10 guy on his own team. The Heat have iced this guy out for seasons now for no explainable reason.

Wade is still an elite player in this watered down league. Top 15 at worst.

The Heat can't win, simply because they are only concerned with stacking a team so heavily in their favor, it all but eliminates the aspect of competition.

That is why Bron will never enter my top 10.

[pauk]

If that was only true.... Lebron would be spamming championships... Wade needs to retire and Bosh is now just a spotup shooter...

[J Shuttlesworth]

Why do people say he's still a 20/10 guy on another team? I could understand 20, but 10? What's stopping him from rebounding on the Heat? He's the only big man on the team so he should be dominating the boards on a team like the Heat.

[Mr. Incredible]

original thread is original :rolleyes:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Wade is not a superstar anymore and Bosh never was.. Of course if you actually watched him when he played for the Raptors you would know that.

Also, I'm tired of this whole "Bosh has been relegated to a spot up shooter" nonsense.. You're telling me Bosh is the first player who's had to take a lesser role for the purposes of winning?

Look at Ray allen in 06-07 vs Ray Allen in 07-08. 06-07 He had the ball in his hands and ran the offense a lot more and scored like 26 points on good %s iirc then next year with the Cs he got became more of a spot up shooter and scored like 18.... Of course he went from below .500 to winning 66 games.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wade is not a superstar anymore and Bosh never was.. Of course if you actually watched him when he played for the Raptors you would know that.

Also, I'm tired of this whole "Bosh has been relegated to a spot up shooter" nonsense.. You're telling me Bosh is the first player who's had to take a lesser role for the purposes of winning?

Look at Ray allen in 06-07 vs Ray Allen in 07-08. 06-07 He had the ball in his hands and ran the offense a lot more and scored like 26 points on good %s iirc then next year with the Cs he got became more of a spot up shooter and scored like 18.... Of course he went from below .500 to winning 66 games.
Not only that but who is forcing Bosh to spot up and shoot? How come when Chris Andersen is in the game, he scores most of his points in the paint and gets offensive rebounds/putbacks? Why isn't Bosh doing that? If LeBron turns everyone into a spot up shooter, why isn't Birdman doing the same?

[stalkerforlife]

Why do people say he's still a 20/10 guy on another team? I could understand 20, but 10? What's stopping him from rebounding on the Heat? He's the only big man on the team so he should be dominating the boards on a team like the Heat.

:facepalm

How in the world are you supposed to rebound at a high rate when your team has you spotting up for long range jumpers?

[stalkerforlife]

Not only that but who is forcing Bosh to spot up and shoot? How come when Chris Andersen is in the game, he scores most of his points in the paint and gets offensive rebounds/putbacks? Why isn't Bosh doing that? If LeBron turns everyone into a spot up shooter, why isn't Birdman doing the same?

Because Bosh has a great stroke and Anderson doesn't.

:facepalm

[navy]

:facepalm

How in the world are you supposed to rebound at a high rate when your team has you spotting up for long range jumpers?
Bosh's defensive rebounding is pitiful, not his offensive....

[FLDFSU]

:facepalm

How in the world are you supposed to rebound at a high rate when your team has you spotting up for long range jumpers?

:facepalm :facepalm

What does Bosh spotting up and shooting even have to do with rebounding? Doesn't Love often spot and and shoot longer jumpers?

What does Bosh playing on the perimeter on the offensive end, have to do with him getting rebounds on the defensive end when he is guarding low post players?

[stalkerforlife]

Bosh's defensive rebounding is pitiful, not his offensive....

He was rated 66th in the league in offensive rebounding, which was a strength of his before he was relegated to spot up shooting.

:facepalm

[edrick]

Lol.

4 seasons averaging 22 points 10 boards.

1 season averaging 24 points 11 boards

When's he's first option.

You don't know basketball.

Bosh was a beast.

WTF did Bosh accomplish before joining Miami? Raptors were never even remotely considered a favorite to win anything.


:facepalm

How in the world are you supposed to rebound at a high rate when your team has you spotting up for long range jumpers?

Why the **** is bosh taking long jumpers while on defense?

Bosh is a tall dude, he should grab boards, if he's actually trying. The Heat do not need help with offensive boards, they are very efficient on offense. They need defensive rebounds.

[J Shuttlesworth]

:facepalm

How in the world are you supposed to rebound at a high rate when your team has you spotting up for long range jumpers?
Who says we're only talking about offensive rebounds? Where are his rebounds on the defensive end?

[FLDFSU]

Because Bosh has a great stroke and Anderson doesn't.

:facepalm

Never mind. You live in Gainesville and probably currently go or went to UF. That explains everything

[J Shuttlesworth]

Because Bosh has a great stroke and Anderson doesn't.

:facepalm
So you're saying Bosh has a great stroke, and then criticize him for taking shots? Pick a ****ing side, idiot.

There's no excuses for Bosh to not take it to the paint. If Birdman/Allen can get looks in the paint, so should Bosh.

[stalkerforlife]

Bosh averages a very respectable 5.4 defensive rebounds per game, especially when you consider that Bron steals rebounds from him to pad his stats. Plus, it is a well known fact that big men lose focus and drive when they are eliminated from the offense.

Bosh is horrid at offensive rebounding because his team makes him stand at the three point line.

:facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

Bosh averages a very respectable 5.4 defensive rebounds per game, especially when you consider that Bron steals rebounds from him to pad his stats. Plus, it is a well known fact that big men lose focus and drive when they are eliminated from the offense.

Bosh is horrid at offensive rebounding because his team makes him stand at the three point line.

:facepalm
He went from 7.9 to 5.4... that's not respectable and he should really be more effective than LeBron at rebounding. There really is no such thing as "Stealing rebounds". Whoever gets the most rebounds did a better job boxing out and anticipating the ball.

And Bosh could get more offensive boards if he drove it in the paint more. He even admitted that it's his choice not to take it into the paint anymore.

[stalkerforlife]

Bosh averaged nearly 3 offensive rebounds per game his last two seasons in Toronto. He can't even sniff that now because of being forced to be a spot up long rang shooter.

:facepalm

[FLDFSU]

So you're saying Bosh has a great stroke, and then criticize him for taking shots? Pick a ****ing side, idiot.

There's no excuses for Bosh to not take it to the paint. If Birdman/Allen can get looks in the paint, so should Bosh.

"The Heat are a stacked team that is cheating the system unfairly, but if you put the Heat in the West, they would not even make the playoffs."

---ISH logic

[kamil]

original thread is original :rolleyes:

Lame internetspeak is lame. :rolleyes:

[livinglegend]

He is not GOAT, Russell is, but Lebron >>>> Kobe.
Kobe couldnt do it with 3 superstars: Malone, Payton and Shaq.


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[KD35Brah]

Who says we're only talking about offensive rebounds? Where are his rebounds on the defensive end?Spo has him blitzing the pick and Roll at the top of the key most of the game.

If you were a Heat fan you would know this.

Is he supposed to explode like Westbrook from the perimeter and try to get a rebound?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Spo has him blitzing the pick and Roll at the top of the key most of the game.

If you were a Heat fan you would know this.

Is he supposed to explode like Westbrook from the perimeter and try to get a rebound?
When he's covering Tim Duncan in the post, he should be getting the defensive rebound

[livinglegend]

Spo has him blitzing the pick and Roll at the top of the key most of the game.

If you were a Heat fan you would know this.

Is he supposed to explode like Westbrook from the perimeter and try to get a rebound?

What a dumb comment :oldlol: !
When the shots are taken, he is not on top of the key. Right after the pick and roll play, he goes inside.

[Bless Mathews]

Smh @ all the haters.

22/10 as first option is perennial all star.

We really gonna get caught up in terms. " superstar" whatever. He's a prennial all star caliber player when's he first option.

Smh. At the haters.

[davehos]

this...


Calling Bosh is a superstar is like calling gasol a superstar...
And lol at calling wade a superstar

Wade has done MORE than LeBron at this moment in time. He willed Miami to that first Championship. LeBron had to get bailed out by Ray Allen.

This thread is full of excuses.

http://avahtaylor.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/big-3-celebration.jpg

Not superstars? lmao

[KD35Brah]

And Bosh could get more offensive boards if he drove it in the paint more. He even admitted that it's his choice not to take it into the paint anymore.How is a big man supposed to blitz the pick and Roll all game long and then resort to scramble defense when the play is broken. Then he has to spread the floor for Lebron and Wade because they are piss poor jumpshooters.

You want a 6'11" BIG to run around blitzing the pick and roll on defense then drive and post up on the offensive end every game? Including the playoffs where he needs to blitz the PnR harder the whole game?

Do I need to remind you that this is a 6'11" big who is a 3rd option with ZERO plays set up for him, but still found out a way to average 17 and 7? Can you find me another PF who can do this?

[livinglegend]

Wade has done MORE than LeBron at this moment in time. He willed Miami to that first Championship. LeBron had to get bailed out by Ray Allen.

This thread is full of excuses.

http://avahtaylor.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/big-3-celebration.jpg

Not superstars? lmao

And we gonna act like Fisher didnt do more than Kobe? :facepalm


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[navy]

Do I need to remind you that this is a 6'11" big who is a 3rd option with ZERO plays set up for him, but still found out a way to average 17 and 7? Can you find me another PF who can do this?

This is what you idiots fail to understand. :facepalm

17/7 is great for Bosh. Just do that shit in the postseason because we know damn well he is capable. Nobody cares that Bosh isnt averaging 24/11. He needs to average what he did in the regular season or up his game in the playoffs. That is what he paid to do.

[davehos]

And we gonna act like Fisher didnt do more than Kobe? :facepalm


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You won't hear me say Fisher doesn't have ice in his veins but Fisher hasn't taken over a series like Wade has.

People saying Bosh and Wade aren't superstars and fantastic ballers are just idiots.

[TheMarkMadsen]

This is what you idiots fail to understand. :facepalm

17/7 is great for Bosh. Just do that shit in the postseason because we know damn well he is capable.

He averages 15 & 7 in the playoffs as a member of the heat..

[jstern]

http://i.imgur.com/SPkx1NJ.png


http://www.sportsmemes.net/pics/1091.jpg


http://dancingwithnoah.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/steve-nash-dwight-howard-si-cover.jpg


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http://t.qkme.me/3pe3yu.jpg


http://kellylowenstein.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/kobebryant.jpg


http://i47.tinypic.com/jz870h.jpg

[navy]

He averages 15 & 7 in the playoffs as a member of the heat..

Which is a decline in postseason production.

Regular Season
2011 18.7/8.3
2012 18.0/7.9
2013 16.6/6.8
2014 16.2/6.6 (Clear downward trend, but I digress.)

Post Season
2011 18.6/8.5 Matched production. Nobody complains.
2012 14/7.8 Declined production. Injured. Excused.
2013 12.1/7.3 Declined production. People complain.
2014 14.9/5.6 Declined Production. People complain.


There is no excuse for Bosh to decline his production in the post season making 18 million a year.
I wouldnt complain if Bosh matched his season production. He isnt. Clearly.

[aj1987]

Bosh averaged nearly 3 offensive rebounds per game his last two seasons in Toronto. He can't even sniff that now because of being forced to be a spot up long rang shooter.

:facepalm
Wow. You're an idiot.

[Baller1986]

http://i.imgur.com/SPkx1NJ.png


http://www.sportsmemes.net/pics/1091.jpg


http://dancingwithnoah.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/steve-nash-dwight-howard-si-cover.jpg


http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/QCN02jw2wCrDy6Rf0GjfBw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/Metta-and-Kobe-promise-to-favorite-each-other-more.Andrew-D.-Bernstein-NBA-Getty-Images.jpg


http://t.qkme.me/3pe3yu.jpg


http://kellylowenstein.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/kobebryant.jpg


http://i47.tinypic.com/jz870h.jpg


Beat me to it

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274100

[aj1987]

Which is a decline in postseason production.

Regular Season
2011 18.7/8.3
2012 18.0/7.9
2013 16.6/6.8
2014 16.2/6.6 (Clear downward trend, but I digress.)

Post Season
2011 18.6/8.5 Matched production. Nobody complains.
2012 14/7.8 Declined production. Injured. Excused.
2013 12.1/7.3 Declined production. People complain.
2014 14.9/5.6 Declined Production. People complain.


There is no excuse for Bosh to decline his production in the post season making 18 million a year.
I wouldnt complain if Bosh matched his season production. He isnt. Clearly.
He sucked ass in the Finals.

[navy]

He sucked ass in the Finals.
He was alright, but Lebron was worse so he got a pass. :oldlol:

Not for 2013 and 2014 though. No excuses.

[Baller1986]

http://lakernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/New-Laker-teammates-Steve-Nash-Dwight-Howard-Metta-World-Peace-Kobe-Bryant-and-Pau-Gasol.jpg

2 Superstars
1 former NBA 2x NBA MVP who led still averaged double in his last season with the Suns
Still a solid Gasol

[BigBoss]

Minimum 3 all stars. He's looking for a 4th this off-season. 20 years from now he'll be labelled as good, but didn't have the mental edge necessary to be a 1st tier all-time great like MJ, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Kobe, Duncan.

[BigBoss]

http://lakernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/New-Laker-teammates-Steve-Nash-Dwight-Howard-Metta-World-Peace-Kobe-Bryant-and-Pau-Gasol.jpg

2 Superstars
1 former NBA 2x NBA MVP who led still averaged double in his last season with the Suns
Still a solid Gasol

Nice try

[aj1987]

He was alright, but Lebron was worse so he got a pass. :oldlol:

Not for 2013 and 2014 though. No excuses.
True, but Bosh still shot like shit and was non-existent defensively.

[Flash31]

I like how Heat haters say
Wade/Bosh are Superstars in one post and role players,washed up in another
and then with the majority so called Heat fans here(LeBron stans)

Wade is done,needs to retire,super role player,Bosh is just a soft spot up jumpshooter

when the truth is somewhere in between

I really don't get this LeBron Heat talk when LeBron is NOT the one assembling the roster or making the team moves--Its Riley.
And the literal Only reason people are hating on the Heat and LeBron,Wade,Bosh is bc its not their team and its the Heat.

The Big 3 would get max from any other team that could offer it.
LeBron woul get max on any team.
Wade would get max from teams that need a great guard like
Memphis,LAC,Knicks,Bulls,Sac,Okc,Phi and on and on

There arent any 19-22,4-5,4-5 at 52-55% shooting guards aside from Wade and thats as a 2nd,sometimes 3rd or 4th option.

Miami will do whatever they can to make the team as best as they can,
regardless what anyone thinks bc the name and reason of a gm is to manage the team into the Best Possible Version and be the Best which is winning.

Stars---60s Celtics had 5-8 every year.And theyre known for being a dynasty not collusion or anything--DYNASTY
Hell all you hear is 11 rings from BR not STAcKEdz so yeah