Lance Stephenson to Bulls?

[poido123]

Thoughts?

Forget Carmelo, we can get this guy for half the price and a good back up plan to losing out on Love or Melo.

Offer this guy 5 years 60 million and we will get a hard nosed defender, young and athletic,cocky attitude, secondary ball handler for Rose, and plenty of upside.

Why not offer this guy the money? Fck Melo and his overpaid, overweight ballstopping lardass.

Fits the mould of Chicago Bulls basketball. :rockon:

[bdreason]

A 5 year deal for Stephenson is like a license to act a fool. Any team that gives Stephenson more than a 2 year deal will regret it, especially at 12m per. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Thoughts?
Hideously DUMB idea.


Why not offer this guy the money? Fck Melo and his overpaid, overweight ballstopping lardass.
Wait, what? He's not overweight. He's just a big upper body guy. That size, core strength also makes him a great finisher around the rim. Bodies bounce off him. A lot like Barkley.

:facepalm


Fits the mould of Chicago Bulls basketball. :rockon:
No he doesn't. He's a ghetto, egotistical w/o accolades bad character guy. Your post is chalk full of FAIL. He's not worth that kind of money. Giving a JR Smith like guy that kind of money or deal is insane. Mentally unstable.

Melo is a legit Franchise caliber player, and top three scorer in the game. He's actually been getting better with age. A guy whose often critiqued defense has actually been underrated the past two seasons. He instantly makes Chicago a title contender with his elite scoring.

The only thing Lance Stephenson instantly makes Chicago is reckless. He's part of the reason the Pacers chemistry got ripped apart this season, with his bad attitude, the more influence he got on the team.

Do you even know Chicago Bulls basketball brew?

:biggums:

[MellowYellow]

Hideously DUMB idea.


Wait, what? He's not overweight. He's just a big upper body guy. That size, core strength also makes him a great finisher around the rim. Bodies bounce off him. A lot like Barkley.

:facepalm


No he doesn't. He's a ghetto, egotistical w/o accolades bad character guy. Your post is chalk full of FAIL. He's not worth that kind of money. Giving a JR Smith like guy that kind of money or deal is insane. Mentally unstable.

Melo is a legit Franchise caliber player, and top three scorer in the game. He's actually been getting better with age. A guy whose often critiqued defense has actually been underrated the past two seasons. He instantly makes Chicago a title contender with his elite scoring.

The only thing Lance Stephenson instantly makes Chicago is reckless. He's part of the reason the Pacers chemistry got ripped apart this season, with his bad attitude, the more influence he got on the team.

Do you even know Chicago Bulls basketball brew?

:biggums:


He must be a bruce blitz subscriber :facepalm

[Myth]

A 5 year deal for Stephenson is like a license to act a fool. Any team that gives Stephenson more than a 2 year deal will regret it, especially at 12m per. :oldlol:

True, but we all know it is going to happen, and the Bulls are probably a better fit for him than most teams.

[poido123]

Hideously DUMB idea.


Wait, what? He's not overweight. He's just a big upper body guy. That size, core strength also makes him a great finisher around the rim. Bodies bounce off him. A lot like Barkley.

:facepalm


No he doesn't. He's a ghetto, egotistical w/o accolades bad character guy. Your post is chalk full of FAIL. He's not worth that kind of money. Giving a JR Smith like guy that kind of money or deal is insane. Mentally unstable.

Melo is a legit Franchise caliber player, and top three scorer in the game. He's actually been getting better with age. A guy whose often critiqued defense has actually been underrated the past two seasons. He instantly makes Chicago a title contender with his elite scoring.

The only thing Lance Stephenson instantly makes Chicago is reckless. He's part of the reason the Pacers chemistry got ripped apart this season, with his bad attitude, the more influence he got on the team.

Do you even know Chicago Bulls basketball brew?

:biggums:


When Bulls don't make it out of the conference and watch Melo stop the ball movement night in night out and put up his empty 30 points a game, I'll remind you of his 20-25 million value each year to the Bulls :facepalm

You're assuming Lance is a chemistry killer, you have zero evidence to suggest that he does that.

If anything, Lance was often the sparkplug to ignite the Pacers stalling offense. He wanted a piece of Lebron and failed at times, but he wasn't shy of it. Who's to say that Paul George and that stripper caused chemistry issues? Or the arrival of Bynum and Turner?

It's gonna take 22-25 million to wrestle Melo away from other bidders. For his 30 points a game and not much else? Pass.

Lance has a bit of mongrel in him. I like his game and his attitude, even though it can cross into crazy at times. Do you not remember Rodman?

[JohnFreeman]

Stephenson is terrible

[KingPush]

Stephenson and Noah together :oldlol: :oldlol:

[MellowYellow]

When Bulls don't make it out of the conference and watch Melo stop the ball movement night in night out and put up his empty 30 points a game, I'll remind you of his 20-25 million value each year to the Bulls :facepalm

You're assuming Lance is a chemistry killer, you have zero evidence to suggest that he does that.

If anything, Lance was often the sparkplug to ignite the Pacers stalling offense. He wanted a piece of Lebron and failed at times, but he wasn't shy of it. Who's to say that Paul George and that stripper caused chemistry issues? Or the arrival of Bynum and Turner?

It's gonna take 22-25 million to wrestle Melo away from other bidders. For his 30 points a game and not much else? Pass.

Lance has a bit of mongrel in him. I like his game and his attitude, even though it can cross into crazy at times. Do you not remember Rodman?

Wrong Max they can free up is like 18 mil unless they unload Taj, which they shouldn't and don't have to do.

[poido123]

Wrong Max they can free up is like 18 mil unless they unload Taj, which they shouldn't and don't have to do.


Melo won't sign for that. He would be leaving too much money on the table.

It's gonna take upwards of 20+ million for Melo to contemplate playing for the Bulls with a small discount.

[plowking]

lol Samurai mentioning Carmelo and core strength... haha.

I still remember watching an Olympic training video with team USA, and Lebron constantly yelling at Melo because he'd slack on the ab and core exercises. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

When Bulls don't make it out of the conference
Umm ... bruh, we didn't even make it out the first round this season. Why? No one who can score at will for us. No one to throw the ball to when we're having issues with our weak ass team offense to bail us out. We didn't even have a Nate Robinson to help us in that regard. DJ Augustine was our most reliable scorer. That's pathetic.

This thing where teams want to be the Spurs. STOP. It's delusional. We don't have a glutton of shooters that quality, and that team still has 3 - 4 All Star ability caliber players in Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, and K. Leonard. And 3 of those 4 guys can create a shot for themselves whenever they'd like against quality defenses.

We don't have that since Derrick went down with injury. There is no more of a valuable asset in pro basketball, or basketball in general than franchise caliber players who can score the ball at will.


and watch Melo stop the ball movement night in night out and put up his empty 30 points a game
You can't be this dumb or bias in regards to Melo. How is 30 ppg EMPTY by any stretch of the imagination? My gawd. That's a premium asset. Thibs provides the amazing team defense. All we need is reliable offense. Melo is a ball stopper on NYC because he needs to be. He's a proven quality catch / shoot, and low block scorer. That's extremely valuable. And he's worth his pay day.

[poido123]

Umm ... bruh, we didn't even make it out the first round this season. Why? No one who can score at will for us. No one to throw the ball to when we're having issues with our weak ass team offense to bail us out. We didn't even have a Nate Robinson to help us in that regard. DJ Augustine was our most reliable scorer. That's pathetic.

This thing where teams want to be the Spurs. STOP. It's delusional. We don't have a glutton of shooters that quality, and that team still has 3 - 4 All Star ability caliber players in Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, and K. Leonard. And 3 of those 4 guys can create a shot for themselves whenever they'd like against quality defenses.

We don't have that since Derrick went down with injury. There is no more of a valuable asset in pro basketball, or basketball in general than franchise caliber players who can score the ball at will.


You can't be this dumb or bias in regards to Melo. How is 30 ppg EMPTY by any stretch of the imagination? My gawd. That's a premium asset. Thibs provides the amazing team defense. All we need is reliable offense. Melo is a ball stopper on NYC because he needs to be. He's a proven quality catch / shoot, and low block scorer. That's extremely valuable. And he's worth his pay day.



Something about him makes me nervous.


It's a combination of his cap commitment and his style of play that worries me. If we were taking up a Lebron, fit Kobe or Jordan type player for that amount?

Sure, I'd be totally all in.

Stevenson and Butler working together on defense would be a sight to see too.

What I mean is, that 30 points a game he gets is often at the detriment of team basketball. Tight contests in the playoffs, you will see how a ball stopper can kill a team's chemistry.

I was on board with Melo when I first heard the rumours, but now I think about it, he's not quite what we are after.

[J Shuttlesworth]

You need Melo far more than you need Stephenson

[poido123]

You need Melo far more than you need Stephenson


A ball stopper? No. Looks great on the stat sheet, meanwhile the teammates are placing bets on what quarter they will get to shoot.

Iso ball almost always fails in a team game. Melo is fool's gold.

[KingPush]

A ball stopper? No. Looks great on the stat sheet, meanwhile the teammates are placing bets on what quarter they will get to shoot.

Iso ball almost always fails in a team game. Melo is fool's gold.
maybe you do need a "ball stopper" like melo. Its not like your team is full of shooters anyways

[MellowYellow]

A ball stopper? No. Looks great on the stat sheet, meanwhile the teammates are placing bets on what quarter they will get to shoot.

Iso ball almost always fails in a team game. Melo is fool's gold.

Melo has never played on a team worthy of a championship, the only contender he played on made it to the WCF. No evidence to suggest he would kill a stacked team.

[poido123]

Melo has never played on a team worthy of a championship, the only contender he played on made it to the WCF. No evidence to suggest he would kill a stacked team.


I'm just going with what I see on the court.

His style of play is to stop the ball movement and ISO up his opponent, thrown in with a catch and shoot game.

[J Shuttlesworth]

A ball stopper? No. Looks great on the stat sheet, meanwhile the teammates are placing bets on what quarter they will get to shoot.

Iso ball almost always fails in a team game. Melo is fool's gold.
When you're offensively as struggled as the Bulls, it might actually be good to have a ball stopper... I mean you don't want the ball being passed around to Jimmy Brickler, Joakim Noshot, or Boozer on offense. Melo is the only guy who can really create his own shit. Then again, I'm drunk as **** so who knows what I'm talking about? I'm just surprised I could get through this post w/o serious typos

[poido123]

When you're offensively as struggled as the Bulls, it might actually be good to have a ball stopper... I mean you don't want the ball being passed around to Jimmy Brickler, Joakim Noshot, or Boozer on offense. Melo is the only guy who can really create his own shit. Then again, I'm drunk as **** so who knows what I'm talking about? I'm just surprised I could get through this post w/o serious typos


:lol

[JohnFreeman]

Poido you can have Rudy Gay and Isaiah Thomas for Gibson

[MellowYellow]

I'm just going with what I see on the court.

His style of play is to stop the ball movement and ISO up his opponent, thrown in with a catch and shoot game.

Melo shot 45/40/85 despite his "ballstopping" and constantly being the only consistent scoring threat on the team.

The Bulls shot 43/35/78 last year as a team.

He improves their offense any way you look at it.

[j3lademaster]

lol Samurai mentioning Carmelo and core strength... haha.

I still remember watching an Olympic training video with team USA, and Lebron constantly yelling at Melo because he'd slack on the ab and core exercises. :oldlol:Are you suggesting Melo isn't physically strong on the block? Because that's all core and gluts.

[UK2K]

A ball stopper? No. Looks great on the stat sheet, meanwhile the teammates are placing bets on what quarter they will get to shoot.

Iso ball almost always fails in a team game. Melo is fool's gold.
Yeah Melo should have been passing to Felton and Brag


Selfish

[Im so nba'd out]

Thoughts?

Forget Carmelo, we can get this guy for half the price and a good back up plan to losing out on Love or Melo.

Offer this guy 5 years 60 million and we will get a hard nosed defender, young and athletic,cocky attitude, secondary ball handler for Rose, and plenty of upside.

Why not offer this guy the money? Fck Melo and his overpaid, overweight ballstopping lardass.

Fits the mould of Chicago Bulls basketball. :rockon:
100% sure he is in better shape than you + in 1 month he makes what you make in 10 years.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Hideously DUMB idea.


Wait, what? He's not overweight. He's just a big upper body guy. That size, core strength also makes him a great finisher around the rim. Bodies bounce off him. A lot like Barkley.

:facepalm


No he doesn't. He's a ghetto, egotistical w/o accolades bad character guy. Your post is chalk full of FAIL. He's not worth that kind of money. Giving a JR Smith like guy that kind of money or deal is insane. Mentally unstable.

Melo is a legit Franchise caliber player, and top three scorer in the game. He's actually been getting better with age. A guy whose often critiqued defense has actually been underrated the past two seasons. He instantly makes Chicago a title contender with his elite scoring.

The only thing Lance Stephenson instantly makes Chicago is reckless. He's part of the reason the Pacers chemistry got ripped apart this season, with his bad attitude, the more influence he got on the team.

Do you even know Chicago Bulls basketball brew?

:biggums:

Melo is not a great finisher around the rim. For a great scorer's standards he's bordering terrible. I agree with the spirit of your post though. Lance is the type of guy I couldn't trust giving a big deal to.

[plowking]

Funniest ting about this convo is that Lance is actually a bigger ball stopper than Melo. Dude pounds the ball at the top of the key doing fancy dribbles, and drives with 3 or 4 seconds to go.

[Kblaze8855]

Id take Lance over Melo. Not because hes better. Because on a reasonable/slightly overpaid deal I believe we could fill out the team a bit better than getting Melo and nothing else. And Melos defense concerns me.

I wouldnt be upset if we got him. But hes not the kind of player id call ideal for the Bulls. Hes ideal in that we need scoring. But hes not a Thibs type at all.

Rose, Lance, and Mcdermott would do quite a bit I believe to make up for the offensive issues of last year even without Boozer.

Melo gives like....65% effort on D....im happy to have him. But who knows how that goes....

Would we still have the money to bring over Mirotic if we give Melo what he wants? That was a concern some time ago....

[-Lebron23-]

Would we still have the money to bring over Mirotic if we give Melo what he wants? That was a concern some time ago....
Mirotic just put up 8.8ppg on the Spanish league playoffs and his team lost in the Finals 3-1 so it wasn't exaclty a situation in which his team was stacked and didn't need more production from him.

I think Mirotic is overrated by many at this point and will not be the star that some hope he will be. You don't turn down the chance of adding the 3rd best scorer in the league for him.

[1~Gibson~1]

Its sad that people are actually calling him a "ball stopper". A name like that is given to a player like JR Smith who shoots a terrible percentage.

At then end of the day SOMEONE has to score the ball, and even though he might not keep swinging it around the perimeter HE GETS BUCKETS. Which is why he'd be a great fit in Chicago.

Kd, Kobe, Harden, Lebron.... the list goes on and on of "ball stoppers".
Id rather have those guys than a ball stopper who shoots a terrible percentage though.

[coin24]

No poido, you really don't want bonehead lance:oldlol:

[Dro]

I think he'd be a great fit on the Bulls......Bulls like effort players who play defense and play with high intensity....That's Lance.......However, everything I've heard in the last 2 weeks locally from Bird and others says Lance is almost a lock to sign back with Indiana.......Unless some teams throws a large contract at him......Many times, it only takes 1 team......

[97 bulls]

The Bulls need a homerun. No more B and C level players. 17-18 ppg is not enough to get us over the top.

Anthony is the way to go.

[DMV2]

Stephenson is terrible
Why you hate Lance but like Cousins?

[Heatles201]

You think Melo is a me player???
do you not watch Lance at times? G6 ECF this year he practically was playing iso vs the Heat because he has that " score on me i need to score on you mentality" smfh

[Kblaze8855]

Mirotic just put up 8.8ppg on the Spanish league playoffs and his team lost in the Finals 3-1 so it wasn't exaclty a situation in which his team was stacked and didn't need more production from him.

I think Mirotic is overrated by many at this point and will not be the star that some hope he will be. You don't turn down the chance of adding the 3rd best scorer in the league for him.

I dont expect him to be a star right away if ever. I expect him to be a good young player.....and not be Carlos Boozer. Both things id like out of a bigman.

I dont care much about anyones numbers in europe. You watch those games even the stars dont really shoot often. I watched one of his good games and only he had like 18. He just went like 8-9 from the field. Whole other game over there.

Much as he was/is hated on if he can even be roughly what Bargnani was as an offensive player he would help a lot.

The Bulls are a team id like to see go more Spuirs than Heat. Lot of good players who play hard, get back on D, and make open jumpers.

The Heat way works clearly....but id like to rely less on one or two guys having to be red hot to win a series. Id like a team the star can score 21 a game and that be plenty. And the Bulls have the kind of team that can pull that off.

[Meticode]

Bulls could use Carmelo's ISO an offense more than they need Stephenson's skillset.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

A high character player like Lance would fit in perfectly with the Bulls.

[Legends66NBA7]

Thoughts?

Forget Carmelo, we can get this guy for half the price and a good back up plan to losing out on Love or Melo.

Offer this guy 5 years 60 million and we will get a hard nosed defender, young and athletic,cocky attitude, secondary ball handler for Rose, and plenty of upside.

Why not offer this guy the money? Fck Melo and his overpaid, overweight ballstopping lardass.

Fits the mould of Chicago Bulls basketball. :rockon:

Dude, in another thread you claimed this:


I'm 32 in October. I was 8 when I saw the first chip. 16 when we won our last chip.

You don't have to agree with my opinion, but I am happy with having a team that battles hard and wins with good character players.

There's no guarantee lebron will win us championships, then you have all the shit that comes with a player like LeBron which I do not want.

How is Stephenson a good character guy ? This is the same guy who's had trouble off court, fights with teammates, tried to promote himself to the all-star game, etc... And that's just off court. Like other have mentioned, he's has the case over dribbling.

You take guys like James and Anthony over someone like Stephenson because they are flat out better than Stephenson. Character should matter more on a young team developing, not a veteran squad.

[greymatter]

The collective IQ at the PG position still doesn't reach triple digits.

[poido123]

You think Melo is a me player???
do you not watch Lance at times? G6 ECF this year he practically was playing iso vs the Heat because he has that " score on me i need to score on you mentality" smfh


Paul George wasn't scoring freely, the rest of the team outside of West wasn't either.

Hill was struggling a lot, George was handled well by James, so being the other ball handler and player who can break the man off the dribble, Lance was asked to be aggressive offensively.

He didn't always execute, but outside of him the offense was pretty stagnant.

[Heatles201]

Paul George wasn't scoring freely, the rest of the team outside of West wasn't either.

Hill was struggling a lot, George was handled well by James, so being the other ball handler and player who can break the man off the dribble, Lance was asked to be aggressive offensively.

He didn't always execute, but outside of him the offense was pretty stagnant.

Thats one thing, but how can they get going if he's just pounding the ball 10-15 seconds and then driving, pulling up ( some he hit like that 3 in lebron's face). Sure Melo is a huge ISO guy but Stephenson can be a nutcase and do some WTF/headscratchers type moments on the court. And like some people above posted he is a NUTCASE out the court, always running his mouth, fights with teammates and basically cried like a baby when he was left out the all star. Didn't hear/see guys like for example Stephen Curry when they were left out ( deserved to be in) cry for attention

[poido123]

Dude, in another thread you claimed this:



How is Stephenson a good character guy ? This is the same guy who's had trouble off court, fights with teammates, tried to promote himself to the all-star game, etc... And that's just off court. Like other have mentioned, he's has the case over dribbling.

You take guys like James and Anthony over someone like Stephenson because they are flat out better than Stephenson. Character should matter more on a young team developing, not a veteran squad.


We don't really know what goes on behind the scenes.

What I do know, is that he wants a battle on the court and that he's competitive. He will make bonehead plays, he will trashtalk, he will think he's the man, but I don't see any of those things exuding bad character?

We need a guy to take it to the opposition and get in their face. Noah and Lance would be the terrible twosome :oldlol:

Do you think that Michael Jordan was a nice guy? Who cares. I want to see what they are like on the court and if they care about winning. I honestly believe the fighting with teammates is overblown. He has some mentally weak guys on his team currently, so maybe it's to do with that.

Lance is improving every year and it's not inconceivable to see him averaging 20 ppg as second option to Rose and 5 assists as a second ball handler. He's a pretty good defender also, him and Butler would work pretty well together I think.

Bulls are a no nonsense, strong character organisation. So if they are looking into signing Lance, you will know most of the stories you hear are bullshit.

[poido123]

Thats one thing, but how can they get going if he's just pounding the ball 10-15 seconds and then driving, pulling up ( some he hit like that 3 in lebron's face). Sure Melo is a huge ISO guy but Stephenson can be a nutcase and do some WTF/headscratchers type moments on the court. And like some people above posted he is a NUTCASE out the court, always running his mouth, fights with teammates and basically cried like a baby when he was left out the all star. Didn't hear/see guys like for example Stephen Curry when they were left out ( deserved to be in) cry for attention


The Bulls organisation will know how to nurture him and use his strengths.

Thibs would be a key mentor for Lance, push him to play great defense while also holding him accountable for being an idiot.

Lance is a very emotional guy. If in control, his heart and energy would be valuable for any team.

I think the leaders on the Bulls squad will be able to get the best out of him along with coach Thibs. Noah and Lance getting in the Heat's grill would be a sight to see :oldlol:

[poido123]

I dont expect him to be a star right away if ever. I expect him to be a good young player.....and not be Carlos Boozer. Both things id like out of a bigman.

I dont care much about anyones numbers in europe. You watch those games even the stars dont really shoot often. I watched one of his good games and only he had like 18. He just went like 8-9 from the field. Whole other game over there.

Much as he was/is hated on if he can even be roughly what Bargnani was as an offensive player he would help a lot.

The Bulls are a team id like to see go more Spuirs than Heat. Lot of good players who play hard, get back on D, and make open jumpers.

The Heat way works clearly....but id like to rely less on one or two guys having to be red hot to win a series. Id like a team the star can score 21 a game and that be plenty. And the Bulls have the kind of team that can pull that off.


European players will always be questioned by Americans til they somewhat prove themselves.

Too many decent players in Europe don't live up to expectations in the NBA.

I'm a little cautious about how Mirotic will play, but he will likely be our best bench player which is valuable in itself.

I totally agree with you. The Bulls should look to take on a Spurs mould of play. If you have a team of players who are willing to pass the ball and play defense, we have seen how effective it is against great teams.