So the Heat can collude but Chris Paul cant be traded to the Lakers in a fair trade?

[unbreakable]

I still dont understand wtf "basketball reasons" means? Can someone explain it to me please

:biggums:

[russwest0]

It was just David Stern being a douche as usual.

He told the Hornets management that they had full control and power to make whatever moves they wanted like every other team and as soon as they traded Chris Paul he denied it. :lol

Turns out eating a max contract with Eric Gordon and getting Chris Kaman for 1 year wasn't such a good longterm deal like Stern thought it was. Of course David Stern isn't a GM though.

[Real14]

it was because of covergirl LeBron james, stern wanted him to be m.j so bad, and as expected in my own eyes tha queen has failed miserably.

[Heatles201]

Hornets were league Owned, owners prob bitched about it and stern had to do something.
Commish is the owners puppets at times, some of you clearly fail to see that

[sammichoffate]

They didn't complain when the Hornets got Anthony Davis though, right? Of course not :rolleyes:

[jstern]

Relax, they were able to get multiple hall of famers after that.


Hornets were league Owned, owners prob bitched about it and stern had to do something.
Commish is the owners puppets at times, some of you clearly fail to see that

This.

[crisoner]

And everyone said that Stern LOVES the Lakers....

SMH

That screwed our franchise over big time.

[rzp]

The lakers already cheated with that travesty Gasol trade, no need another h0mosexual help from nba.

[D-Rose]

I still dont understand wtf "basketball reasons" means? Can someone explain it to me please

:biggums:
The reason the NBA had any say over that trade was because the NBA owned the Hornets franchise at that time. It was a transitional period.

Also, look up the word collusion. It's NOT what you think it means. There's nothing illegal about teammates talking, check out the CBA.

[DMAVS41]

And everyone said that Stern LOVES the Lakers....

SMH

That screwed our franchise over big time.

And it screwed the Hornets.

Still one of the most absurd things to ever happen in NBA history.

[tpols]

Relax, they were able to get multiple hall of famers after that.



This.

You really think an old Steve Nash who missed half the season and an injured malcontent Dwight are even close to a prime healthy Chris Paul?

[DaSeba5]

There's no proof Miami colluded and the NBA doesn't own Miami. They can't do shit to stop Miami who is following the rules.

[russwest0]

And it screwed the Hornets.

Still one of the most absurd things to ever happen in NBA history.

And then the league owned Hornets got the first pick in the lottery to secure Anthony Davis and a sale of the team.

That sequence of events that took place is the type of shit that makes it hard to be an NBA fan :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

And then the league owned Hornets got the first pick in the lottery to secure Anthony Davis and a sale of the team.

That sequence of events that took place is the type of shit that makes it hard to be an NBA fan :oldlol:

Yep.

But people always confuse the getting of the first pick with that trade. It didn't get them the first pick. The pick was their own...and it was blind luck that Gordon was hurt all year that allowed them to be terrible.

Also, the initial deal was going to see them move Odom and Scola for more picks...LOL

They lucked into Davis, but again, that had nothing to do with the trade to begin with...and are now still saddled with Gordon's contract ruining any chance they have to really build for the future.

The Pelicans have been a complete joke since that veto outside of lucking into Davis.

[crisoner]

Yeah the Hornets all of a sudden getting the first pick when Davis was going pro????

SUSPECT!!!!!

[Bandito]

5]There's no proof Miami colluded[/B] and the NBA doesn't own Miami. They can't do shit to stop Miami who is following the rules.
Stop using drugs.

[jstern]

You really think an old Steve Nash who missed half the season and an injured malcontent Dwight are even close to a prime healthy Chris Paul?

It shows that you guys shouldn't complain, because it shows how easy that market can get super stars. Nash was still a very useful player, and if things were handled different than perhaps Howard would have stayed. Even getting Gasol a few years earlier.

The point is, you guys can easily get your foot in the water. And it's funny to hear a Laker fan making the excuse that Howard was injured, when every single day he was used as a scapegoat. It's no wonder he left.

The Kobe stans (not Laker fans) really don't deserve to have a good team, because just thinking of all the scapegoating they do, lack of appreciation for players like Shaq, Gasol, even Howard is just disgusting.

[qrich]

How many times have teams had their general manager/pres of bball operations had a deal agreed to with another squad, only for the owner to reject it?

Which is exactly what occurred with the Paul situation.

[Real14]

Stop using drugs.
yea its really a bad look for him:facepalm

[livinglegend]

Yes, Heat can collude and you cant do anything about it, but cry. Continue crying. :banana: :banana: :banana:

[VIntageNOvel]

Hornets were league Owned, owners prob bitched about it and stern had to do something.
Commish is the owners puppets at times, some of you clearly fail to see that


yes, cuban was one of the most vocal, saying how its a broken move by the lakers, getting the best point guard in the league, while saving money from gasol and odom salary

[NumberSix]

Yeah, because that's exactly what CP3 needed. To stand around watching Kobe decide to play PG.

[PejaNowitzki]

I still dont understand wtf "basketball reasons" means? Can someone explain it to me please

:biggums:



Collusion in this context doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

[HurricaneKid]

Yep.

But people always confuse the getting of the first pick with that trade. It didn't get them the first pick. The pick was their own...and it was blind luck that Gordon was hurt all year that allowed them to be terrible.

Also, the initial deal was going to see them move Odom and Scola for more picks...LOL

They lucked into Davis, but again, that had nothing to do with the trade to begin with...and are now still saddled with Gordon's contract ruining any chance they have to really build for the future.

The Pelicans have been a complete joke since that veto outside of lucking into Davis.

They were going to get picks for Scola who was amnestied less than a month later? Absurd.

Of COURSE the weakened state of NO allowed them to get Davis. If that team has an aging Pau and Scola and a late 1st (what Dal ended up giving for Odom) they would not have gotten a #1 and their future would be far dimmer.

AND the other owners were pissed because the NO front office was taking on 40MM in future obligations they were essentially paying for. Would you want your competitors to be able to make deals that include you paying for them getting assets?

[LoneyROY7]

Yep.

But people always confuse the getting of the first pick with that trade. It didn't get them the first pick. The pick was their own...and it was blind luck that Gordon was hurt all year that allowed them to be terrible.

Also, the initial deal was going to see them move Odom and Scola for more picks...LOL

They lucked into Davis, but again, that had nothing to do with the trade to begin with...and are now still saddled with Gordon's contract ruining any chance they have to really build for the future.

The Pelicans have been a complete joke since that veto outside of lucking into Davis.

Over-dramatic much?

Gordon's contract is off the books in 2 years max...could be off next year.

Anthony Davis will be a whopping 23 years old. I think they have time to build for the future.

And the argument that the trade had "nothing" to do with the Hornets getting the number 1 pick is absurd in it of itself.

A team with Dragic, Martin, Scola, and Odom is NOT having one of the worst records in the league at the time. Not a chance. Even if one of those players were to go down to injury like Gordon did.

That trade is a significant reason why they have Anthony Davis today.

[DaSeba5]

Stop using drugs.

Prove it.

[Fiasco]

They still ended up with Anthony Davis.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Screwed the league out of finally getting an LA Laker v.s. Miami Heat NBA Finals. Kobe v.s. LeBron, which is what we all had been waiting for on ISH since 2008. CP3 v.s. Wade. The ratings that Finals would've got could've been absurd.

[BrownEye007]

It shows that you guys shouldn't complain, because it shows how easy that market can get super stars. Nash was still a very useful player, and if things were handled different than perhaps Howard would have stayed. Even getting Gasol a few years earlier.

The point is, you guys can easily get your foot in the water. And it's funny to hear a Laker fan making the excuse that Howard was injured, when every single day he was used as a scapegoat. It's no wonder he left.

The Kobe stans (not Laker fans) really don't deserve to have a good team, because just thinking of all the scapegoating they do, lack of appreciation for players like Shaq, Gasol, even Howard is just disgusting.
You mean like how LeBron stans try to act like Wade and Bosh are washed up role players already?

[SamuraiSWISH]

You mean like how LeBron stans try to act like Wade and Bosh are washed up role players already?
:oldlol:

Don't forget Ray Allen.

[Hey Yo]

You mean like how LeBron stans try to act like Wade and Bosh are washed up role players already?
Wade needs to miss 30 games (while healthy) just so he can "allegedly" be fresh for the postseason.

He's toast unless he can learn a legit jumpshot and a mediocre 3pt shot. Right now and before, he has neither.

[monkeypox]

Hornets were league Owned, owners prob bitched about it and stern had to do something.
Commish is the owners puppets at times, some of you clearly fail to see that

Yup. Stern being the de-facto owner of the team and making a smart decision was a bunch of bs. People don't remember but the league originally said the veto was league office based and had nothing to do with the fact that they owned it. By league rules the president has the power to veto any trade they want. Once they realized the backlash they changed their story to it being a basketball decision made as the owner of the team and lots of people fell for it.

If the strike had not just happened they would have let the trade go through.

[Meticode]

Years later, and Lakers fans still salty as **** over the Chris Paul trade.

What could have been...

Maybe the whole future changes. Maybe Howard doesn't go to L.A. and has a selfish suckfest.

Maybe they don't get an over the hill Nash that is plagued by injuries.

Maybe Kobe doesn't blow out his achilles then his knee.

[dubeta]

If Dwight Howard, Gasol, and Nash arent good enough then what would CP3 do? :lol

[HiphopRelated]

The NBA was trying to sell the team, you do that with draft picks and fresh faced youth, not over the hill bums locked in to large contracts like the dummy GM accepted from LA

[Heatles201]

Same Laker fans that claim they got robbed are the ones that make fun of CP3 " how he never got past second round, etc" same way they roasted D12 after their little fiasco. But of course since it fits their agenda to complain they hang on to anything " we got robbed" smh

[Take Your Lumps]

And everyone said that Stern LOVES the Lakers....

SMH

That screwed our franchise over big time.

Hey...you missed out on Chris Paul but at least you got Dwight Howard!

[ralph_i_el]

I still dont understand wtf "basketball reasons" means? Can someone explain it to me please

:biggums:

you're a dumb ****er. The League owned the Hornets at the time. They could do whatever they wanted.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

George Bush doesn't like Laker people.

[DMAVS41]

They were going to get picks for Scola who was amnestied less than a month later? Absurd.

Of COURSE the weakened state of NO allowed them to get Davis. If that team has an aging Pau and Scola and a late 1st (what Dal ended up giving for Odom) they would not have gotten a #1 and their future would be far dimmer.

AND the other owners were pissed because the NO front office was taking on 40MM in future obligations they were essentially paying for. Would you want your competitors to be able to make deals that include you paying for them getting assets?

You don't even know the trade dude. Pau was going to the Rockets.

Scola was amnestied for money purposes...not for play. He had just gotten done putting up 18/8/3 and 16/7/2 for the Rockets. LOL...you have no idea what you are talking about.

You really think a player coming of an 18/8/3 season isn't worth a pick? What ****ing universe do you live in?

The Hornets came out and confirmed they were planning to move both odom and scola and already had a deal in place for Odom...which was an exception plus a first round pick like the Lakers got.

It was Dragic, Martin, Odom, Scola and at least 1 pick iirc. Both odom and scola were going to be moved for more picks.

It's such a better deal it's not close. Again, the only reason the Hornets bottomed out was because Gordon didn't play.

[Jameerthefear]

One of the greatest things in NBA History. Stern is the GOAT.

[DMAVS41]

Over-dramatic much?

Gordon's contract is off the books in 2 years max...could be off next year.

Anthony Davis will be a whopping 23 years old. I think they have time to build for the future.

And the argument that the trade had "nothing" to do with the Hornets getting the number 1 pick is absurd in it of itself.

A team with Dragic, Martin, Scola, and Odom is NOT having one of the worst records in the league at the time. Not a chance. Even if one of those players were to go down to injury like Gordon did.

That trade is a significant reason why they have Anthony Davis today.

Scola and Odom were being moved...it's like you guys can't think past one move in chess.

And then, to be fair, Martin has to miss the entire year due to injury so it's fair in this hypothetical. And that Hornets team even with Dragic playing all year is not doing any better in a real way.

It's not comparable....blind luck saved the Hornets here...but even then they've ****ed that up since and created a team that makes no sense.

[GimmeThat]

I think a more similar comparison here is Afflalo can be traded for absolutely nothing, and the Hornets, owned by owners can't do the same?


I'd like to call my witness in regards to the Magic actually calling all other teams in the league to seek for more value in return.

[LA Lakers]

That would have been the greatest back court in nba history

[HurricaneKid]

You don't even know the trade dude. Pau was going to the Rockets.

Scola was amnestied for money purposes...not for play. He had just gotten done putting up 18/8/3 and 16/7/2 for the Rockets. LOL...you have no idea what you are talking about.

You really think a player coming of an 18/8/3 season isn't worth a pick? What ****ing universe do you live in?

The Hornets came out and confirmed they were planning to move both odom and scola and already had a deal in place for Odom...which was an exception plus a first round pick like the Lakers got.

It was Dragic, Martin, Odom, Scola and at least 1 pick iirc. Both odom and scola were going to be moved for more picks.

It's such a better deal it's not close. Again, the only reason the Hornets bottomed out was because Gordon didn't play.

Let me understand this. Scola was on such an advantageous contract that he was going to net the Hornets draft picks. Yet Houston elected to pay $21M just to be rid of him. Are you effing serious?? You are coming up on $40MILLION WRONG on this one.

We have fought about this before. Odom's value was a #21 pick (what the Lakers got for him). Martin is a one dimensional overpaid player. Scola was worth NEGATIVE 21MM. And Dragic had just been traded WITH a 1st rd pick for Aaron Brooks. Dragic turned out to be a stud but he was available for peanuts for years leading up this trade proposal.

On top of the Lakers getting by far the best player in the deal, they also got out of $40MM in future salary, dropped their luxury bill by 21MM. So allowing CP3 to go to the Lakers was literally going to cost each of the other owners >2M each. It was a ridiculous trade and the league had every right to void it. Just like every owner gets veto over every proposed trade.