Cavs Offer Kyrie The Max (Broussard)

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard

[navy]

No shit...

[Smook A.]

18 million a year for a 22 year old guy who just finished his 3rd year with career averages of 20.7 ppg, 5.8 apg and 3.7 rpg on 45% shooting. He's only going to get better from here on out.

I mean, John Wall got the max contract and look what happened to him... The dude got better. I see Kyrie elevating his game next season and become more of a playmaker along with a better defender. I also see Cavs making the playoffs as an 7th or 8th seed with Kyrie and Wiggins leading the way.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Thank god. Didn't need that drama. I'm not looking forward to when Waiters is due up for a new contract. I know he expects more than he's worth.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard

[LoneyROY7]

Go get that money. :applause:

I could definitely get behind this Cavs team if they ditch Waiters.

I don't want to see him drag Wiggins and Kyrie down.

[gts]

Giving him the max is a little much, but it doesn't really matter. The Cavs will always be the embarrassment of the league.
now that you got your petty little daily jab in... go outside


Good move by the Cavs and good for Kyrie

[Milbuck]

Honestly, that's a good deal. Still really young and has a ton of upside.

[NattyPButter]

Pretty solid deal for a 22 year old. Bar no injuries that is a solid investment. Don't think he was overpaid. He also generates a lot of the fans to the stadium since he's their only player atm whose legitimately a superstar in the making.

the fans are loyal and would still show up if he wasn't here. When Lebron left the arena was still packed. During Kyries first season the arena was still packed.

[stalkerforlife]

He's definitely not worth the max, but at least they're trying to improve. Better than tanking.

[Dro]

Not sure if he's worth the max. Probably not, but a good deal nonetheless....

[RedBlackAttack]

Obviously the only thing to do here. And, initial word is he will accept.

Amico:


Cavs flying to New Jersey to offer Kyrie Irving max contract extension when free agency opens, ESPN reports. It's believed Irving will sign.

https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/483678024198414337

So, good news all the way around. Kyrie should fit very well in the offensive system Blatt likes to run. It could very well be a perfect match.

[navy]

Obviously the only thing to do here. And, initial word is he will accept.

Amico:



https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/483678024198414337

So, good news all the way around. Kyrie should fit very well in the offensive system Blatt likes to run. It could very well be a perfect match.

Did he already say he was running the same system?

Not sure if he's worth the max. Probably not, but a good deal nonetheless....
He's not. But not like they have a choice.

[RedBlackAttack]

Did he already say he was running the same system?

He has said he'll adapt his system to the players he has. I'm assuming that means we'll see the ball in Kyrie's hands quite a bit... And, the system he has had a ton of success with followed that point guard centric model, as well.

[IncarceratedBob]

He'll take the money. I feel sorry for him but he'll be out of there soon enough. Just look at Bron, be patient and eventually you'll be in a championship caliber franchise.

[navy]

He has said he'll adapt his system to the players he has. I'm assuming that means we'll see the ball in Kyrie's hands quite a bit... And, the system he has had a ton of success with followed that point guard centric model, as well.
Im sure the real test will be if he can run the locker room.

[Meticode]

He's not worth the max, but the organization has no choice but offer it to him or he'd likely walk or extend talks making drama out of it. Hopefully he steps a forward this year.

[RedBlackAttack]

He's not worth the max, but the organization has no choice but offer it to him or he'd likely walk or extend talks making drama out of it. Hopefully he steps a forward this year.
Yes he is. He's 22 years old and one of the best young point guards in the league.

You don't give a 22-year-old guy a max extension for what he is now. You give them max money for what they could become. That's almost always the way it works.

[Kblaze8855]

the fans are loyal and would still show up if he wasn't here.

The Cavs were 23rd in the league in home attendance by percentage this year.

Im not sure what would happen in an extended starless stretch. In 03 they had among the worst attendance rates in modern history. 55%. Well over a thousand behind the Hawks for worst per game average at home.

The Cavs fanbase historically doesnt support the team unless its given good reason. They have dipped into the 3000s a game in multiple seasons. Meanwhile the Bulls pull in 22 thousand a game in a 15 win season. The Mavs do 15 in an 11 win season. Big cities sure...but the Jazz never dipped below 8 no matter how bad it got. The damn Kansas city Kings....worst season?

6,500.

The Bucks expansion year(their worst) was better than 7 seasons of Cavs attendance.

And that was 1968 led by "Electric Eye" Flynn Robinson after which they have shown up no matter how the team was doing.

Im not saying Cleveland sports fans arent loyal.

They clearly love the Browns.

Im saying...Cleveland fans dont seem to support the Cavs much when they dont have a good or exciting team.

Not the kind of market you can afford to go quiet for 10 years.

They need to hang on to any star power they can.

[Meticode]

Yes he is. He's 22 years old and one of the best young point guards in the league.

You don't give a 22-year-old guy a max extension for what he is now. You give them max money for what they could become. That's almost always the way it works.
We'll agree to disagree.

[RedBlackAttack]

He'll take the money. I feel sorry for him but he'll be out of there soon enough. Just look at Bron, be patient and eventually you'll be in a championship caliber franchise.
If by "soon enough," you mean six years from now at the earliest, then yes... He'll be out "soon enough." :oldlol:

The entitlement culture among player fans is fascinating to me.

[KyrieTheFuture]

If he's not worth the max, then no one is. There's no one who has the max with a better case than him really.

[D-Rose]

Yes he is. He's 22 years old and one of the best young point guards in the league.

You don't give a 22-year-old guy a max extension for what he is now. You give them max money for what they could become. That's almost always the way it works.
Agreed. Hayward is likely getting that max as well. I see Kyrie as way better. Bledsoe may even get the max.

[RedBlackAttack]

We'll agree to disagree.
I really don't know what you could possibly be disagreeing with, but OK.

[Meticode]

The Cavs were 23rd in the league in home attendance by percentage this year.

Im not sure what would happen in an extended starless stretch. In 03 they had among the worst attendance rates in modern history. 55%. Well over a thousand behind the Hawks for worst per game average at home.

The Cavs fanbase historically doesnt support the team unless its given good reason. They have dipped into the 3000s a game in multiple seasons. Meanwhile the Bulls pull in 22 thousand a game in a 15 win season. The Mavs do 15 in an 11 win season. Big cities sure...but the Jazz never dipped below 8 no matter how bad it got. The damn Kansas city Kings....worst season?

6,500.

The Bucks expansion year(their worst) was better than 7 seasons of Cavs attendance.

And that was 1968 led by "Electric Eye" Flynn Robinson after which they have shown up no matter how the team was doing.

Im not saying Cleveland sports fans arent loyal.

They clearly love the Browns.

Im saying...Cleveland fans dont seem to support the Cavs much when they dont have a good or exciting team.

Not the kind of market you can afford to go quiet for 10 years.

They need to hang on to any star power they can.
Why go by percentage instead of straight averaged numbers?

[navy]

Agreed. Hayward is likely getting that max as well. I see Kyrie as way better. Bledsoe may even get the max.
All these sound like foolish investments....

[bagelred]

Yeah, but Cavs are gonna be in big trouble in a few years when they'll have to also max out Anthony Bennett.

[Kblaze8855]

Depends on the situation. The Bulls have the biggest arena. Them or the Pistons. Im not gonna act like Bulls fans are just THAT much more loyal because they lead in attendance every year when you could probably fill an arena the size of ours in a few cities that dont have them.

If the Cavs put 12 thousand in a huge arena but the Rockets have 14 in a 14 thousand seat arena...I find the Rockets fans to be more supportive.

Some of those old Cavs teams worked in small arena...but a lot of teams did.

You watch some of the old Kings footage it looks like a large HS gym.

At one point the Cavs had a 20K+ seat arena and averaged 3,900 fans in it.

[Meticode]

Yeah, but Cavs are gonna be in big trouble in a few years when they'll have to also max out Anthony Bennett.
:banana:

[T_L_P]

If he's not worth the max, then no one is. There's no one who has the max with a better case than him really.

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-Understands it all

[Meticode]

Depends on the situation. The Bulls have the biggest arena. Them or the Pistons. Im not gonna act like Bulls fans are just THAT much more loyal because they lead in attendance every year when you could probably fill an arena the size of ours in a few cities that dont have them.
That's why I think it's misleading to post percentages. You have different markets and different populations.

I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I do think a couple of your statistic you posted are skewed.

In the end as you said, Cleveland isn't a basketball city though.

[qrich]

This is clearly a no-shit move, whether you think the maximum contract is warranted or not. On top of it, Irving can still improve his game, he hasn't maxed out as of yet, so its a payment assuming improvement as well.

[KyrieTheFuture]

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-Understands it all
:cheers:

Feel free to explain why you disagree.

[T_L_P]

:cheers:

Feel free to explain why you disagree.

Don't necessarily disagree with giving Kyrie the max. Cleveland won't get many franchise players (not really an attractive FA location). But saying if he doesn't deserve it nobody else does? That seems a little extreme.

[dc_chilling]

Kyrie hasn't proven to be a max player yet, but this is probably a good move.

If the Cavs have any shot of getting Lebron back in a couple years, they are going to need some stars in place.

Still, I would like to see a good season out of Kyrie. The Cavs have talent. They should be in the playoffs in the East.

[Meticode]

Kyrie hasn't proven to be a max player yet, but this is probably a good move.

If the Cavs have any shot of getting Lebron back in a couple years, they are going to need some stars in place.

Still, I would like to see a good season out of Kyrie. The Cavs have talent. They should be in the playoffs in the East.
:oldlol: Just let it go.

[Kblaze8855]

That's why I think it's misleading to post percentages. You have different markets and different populations.

I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I do think a couple of your statistic you posted are skewed.

In the end as you said, Cleveland isn't a basketball city though.

Perhaps to make my point but the numbers are there to find.

I looked into it during some old argument I dont think even involved Cleveland.

Im not sure any team has hit the levels the Cavs hit attendance wise. Im not saying no team has...im saying...I dont know about it.

Every awful team in a poor situation I think to check on still beats them out.

The cavs have years down there with the ****ing 1973 ABA Memphis Tams.

The Memphis tams!

I say again....im not saying Cleveland wont support its teams.

Im saying I dont know that Cleveland would support a bad basketball team.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Don't necessarily disagree with giving Kyrie the max. Cleveland won't get many franchise players (not really an attractive FA location). But saying if he doesn't deserve it nobody else does? That seems a little extreme.
I suppose what I mean is given the current landscape of the NBA and the people who have received maxes in the last 2-3 years, it would be odd if a player of his caliber did not receive it as he is more talented than a few who have that contract. I would definitely say AD deserves it more once his year comes up but beyond that idk who has a case over him as next most worthy max candidate.

[Dro]

He's not worth the max, but the organization has no choice but offer it to him or he'd likely walk or extend talks making drama out of it. Hopefully he steps a forward this year.
Yep, its the Roy Hibbert situation all over again......If the Pacers didn't match Portland's offer, they would have lost him. Hindsight being 20/20, that doesnt' look like such a bad loss at this point....

[Meticode]

Yep, its the Roy Hibbert situation all over again......If the Pacers didn't match Portland's offer, they would have lost him. Hindsight being 20/20, that doesn't' look like such a bad loss at this point....
I understand why the Cavs did it, they're trying to lock him up. He could very well turn into a max player. I think he's in the best situation to do that with this type of coach instead of playing ISO ball all the damn time.

[RedBlackAttack]

Perhaps to make my point but the numbers are there to find.

I looked into it during some old argument I dont think even involved Cleveland.

Im not sure any team has hit the levels the Cavs hit attendance wise. Im not saying no team has...im saying...I dont know about it.

Every awful team in a poor situation I think to check on still beats them out.

The cavs have years down there with the ****ing 1973 ABA Memphis Tams.

The Memphis tams!

I say again....im not saying Cleveland wont support its teams.

Im saying I dont know that Cleveland would support a bad basketball team.
Cleveland tends to work like this... The Browns are No. 1 and will always be No. 1 in the city. No one touches them in terms of interest, attention, etc.

The Indians and Cavs fight for the remaining attention. It should be noted that I don't believe there is another city in the country even close to Cleveland's size that has franchises in the three major sports. I could be wrong, but I don't believe I am.

In years that you saw the Indians' attendance skyrocket in the mid-to-late 90s, Cavaliers attendance was not great. Over the last decade, Indians attendance and interest has been on the decline, while the Cavs' fanbase has gotten stronger.

It is simply a case of a relatively small city having to support three major sports franchises. Cities like Chicago and New York probably have a lot of fans that are really into just basketball or just football or just baseball... Cleveland cannot sustain its franchises on the die-hards alone... the population just isn't big enough here.

All of that being said, I think the city has done a great job in supporting the Cavs the last few years despite the really awful seasons. It has been four straight seasons of sub-.500 teams and only last year were we even semi-close to .500 (33 wins).

In a market this small, the expectation would be far worse than where we have stood attendance-wise the last few seasons.

[Meticode]

Cleveland tends to work like this... The Browns are No. 1 and will always be No. 1 in the city. No one touches them in terms of interest, attention, etc.

The Indians and Cavs fight for the remaining attention. It should be noted that I don't believe there is another city in the country even close to Cleveland's size that has franchises in the three major sports. I could be wrong, but I don't believe I am.

In years that you saw the Indians' attendance skyrocket in the mid-to-late 90s, Cavaliers attendance was not great. Over the last decade, Indians attendance and interest has been on the decline, while the Cavs' fanbase has gotten stronger.

It is simply a case of a relatively small city having to support three major sports franchises. Cities like Chicago and New York probably have a lot of fans that are really into just basketball or just football or just baseball... Cleveland cannot sustain its franchises on the die-hards alone... the population just isn't big enough here.

All of that being said, I think the city has done a great job in supporting the Cavs the last few years despite the really awful seasons. It has been four straight seasons of sub-.500 teams and only last year were we even semi-close to .500 (33 wins).

In a market this small, the expectation would be far worse than where we have stood attendance-wise the last few seasons.
Correct, I'm surprised to see Cleveland's population isn't much bigger than Cincinnati's.

[-Lebron23-]

He's worth it. I hope he agrees, he has a chance to lead a very special young roster over there.

[Meticode]

He's worth it. I hope he agrees, he has a chance to lead a very special young roster over there.
It should be fun I hope. We had so many expectations last season, I'm not expecting great this this season so I'm not disappointed right away. :oldlol:

The nice thing about Wiggins is that the weakest part of his game doesn't need to be called on right away (scoring). He can concentrate on his strengths (defense and transition).

[dc_chilling]

:oldlol: Just let it go.

I'm a Wizards fan.

Trust me, the last thing I want you guys to do is get Lebron back.

[LoneyROY7]

Gordon Hayward potentially getting a max deal?

Yeah, I think Kyrie is worth it.

[RedBlackAttack]

Just for comparison purposes regarding the above discussion...

List of cities with franchises in the three major American sports (football, baseball, basketball) and their respective population:

New York City - 8,405,837
Chicago - 2,718,782
Houston - 2,195,914
Philadelphia - 1,553,165
Dallas - 1,257,676
Detroit - 688,701
Washington DC - 646,449
Boston - 645,966
Atlanta - 447,841
Minneapolis - 400,070
Cleveland - 390,113

That's why comparing attendance figures without proper context can be misleading.

[-Lebron23-]

It should be fun I hope. We had so many expectations last season, I'm not expecting great this this season so I'm not disappointed right away. :oldlol:

The nice thing about Wiggins is that the weakest part of his game doesn't need to be called on right away (scoring). He can concentrate on his strengths (defense and transition).
Last season proved to be too early for some of the young guys to be able to be competitive. It's ok, it happens, chemistry is complex but they need to build some consistency there. Of course Irving re-signing would be huge, you don't to want to have that question mark around the team during the season.

If everything goes fairly well this core should battle for their first playoff experience and continue building from there. It should be fan, yes.

[navy]

Gordon Hayward potentially getting a max deal?

Yeah, I think Kyrie is worth it.

I dont get this logic. Gordon Hayward is NOT worth a max deal....

[RedBlackAttack]

Last season proved to be too early for some of the young guys to be able to be competitive. It's ok, it happens, chemistry is complex but they need to build some consistency there. Of course Irving re-signing would be huge, you don't to want to have that question mark around the team during the season.

If everything goes fairly well this core should battle for their first playoff experience and continue building from there. It should be fan, yes.
A lot of the Cavs' success this coming season will come from how active they are in free agency. The franchise has a ton of money to throw around.

Most people think the Wizards making a big jump in Wall's fourth year came from what he and Beal were doing. While those two guys staying relatively healthy through the season was important, their veteran presence in the front court with Nene and Gortat, along with Ariza on the wing, was a big reason for their success.

Right now, the Cavs still don't have that kind of talented veteran presence, but they may have it come the start of the season. Looking at the roster right now, they're as young as ever and with youth comes inconsistency. I do think they may have enough talent to get into the playoffs without adding veteran talent, because they finished just five games out this past year.

But, adding that veteran presence in free agency will go a long way to ensuring it. People putting all the onus on Kyrie Irving to pull them into the playoffs as a 21-year-old was always unfair.

[Meticode]

A lot of the Cavs' success this coming season will come from how active they are in free agency. The franchise has a ton of money to throw around.

Most people think the Wizards making a big jump in Wall's fourth year came from what he and Beal were doing. While those two guys staying relatively healthy through the season was important, their veteran presence in the front court with Nene and Gortat, along with Ariza on the wing, was a big reason for their success.

Right now, the Cavs still don't have that kind of talented veteran presence, but they may have it come the start of the season. Looking at the roster right now, they're as young as ever and with youth comes inconsistency. I do think they may have enough talent to get into the playoffs without adding veteran talent, because they finished just five games out this past year.

But, adding that veteran presence in free agency will go a long way to ensuring it. People putting all the onus on Kyrie Irving to pull them into the playoffs as a 21-year-old was always unfair.
I think any trades we do will shape the team more than anything we do in free agency. I would assume Varejao, Bennett and Thompson are all moveable if the trade is right for the team.

[RedBlackAttack]

I think any trades we do will shape the team more than anything we do in free agency. I would assume Varejao, Bennett and Thompson are all moveable if the trade is right for the team.
I'd be very surprised if Bennett were moved this offseason. That would be a horrible idea imo, because he still has a lot of talent, he may fit in much better in Blatt's offense, recent photos have him looking thin and fit, and we'd be selling very low.

The other two wouldn't surprise me at all and I agree with you... trades will go a long way to giving us a playoff caliber roster. A lot of times, free agency, trades and S&Ts go hand in hand. When you have a lot of cap relief to offer teams, trades become much easier.

I think they'll try to move Jack too, btw, although it may be difficult with his contract.

[RedBlackAttack]

I dont get this logic. Gordon Hayward is NOT worth a max deal....
Just like with any other business, market dictates value. If the market says he is a max player, he's a max player.

[navy]

Just like with any other business, market dictates value. If the market says he is a max player, he's a max player.

This is how you end up with Roy Hibberts. :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

This is how you end up with Roy Hibberts. :oldlol:
I'm not saying I would be comfortable giving him the max or my opinion is he's worth it. But, what I think is irrelevant. What matters is what the market dictates.

[navy]

I'm not saying I would be comfortable giving him the max or my opinion is he's worth it. But, what I think is irrelevant. What matters is what the market dictates.
Im not disputing it. Plenty of dumb GMs out there.

[DukeDelonte13]

I don't want to trade Thompson, Bennett, or Dion.

I really wish we would have kept Livingston instead of signing jack. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

[DukeDelonte13]

Kyrie's not truly worth the max but that's what his market value is.

Gilbert is willing to spend so i'm not really concerned.

[Black and White]

Just putting it into context, John Wall and James Harden both got max contracts......

[RedBlackAttack]

Just putting it into context, John Wall and James Harden both got max contracts......
It's weird, because I don't even think this is a question. Of course Irving is getting a max contract. He's one of the most talented young players in the league. Those guys are the ones who get the big deals.

I think there's an assumption that only current superstars should be getting max contracts, but that's not the way it works. There are 30 teams in the league and all of them have the same amount of cap space. Are there 30 superstars?

No, but there are a lot of really good young players who could eventually become superstars. Kyrie is in that group, undeniably.

He's 22 years old, has put up very good numbers in his first three seasons and, contrary to popular opinion, his teams have improved significantly in each of his first three seasons.

Also, he has made the All-Star Game twice and won the MVP once. Before anyone says that doesn't mean anything, I do realize that... But, there are certain guys who are given positions on the All-Star team and when they enter the game, you can see they don't belong amongst the best players in the NBA. Kyrie looked like he belonged and more.

In fact, if you look at the list of ASG MVPs, you'll find very few guys who weren't at least worth the max.

1988 - Michael Jordan
1989 - Karl Malone
1990 - Magic Johnson
1991 - Charles Barkley
1992 - Magic Johnson
1993 - John Stockton & Karl Malone
1994 - Scottie Pippen
1995 - Mitch Richmond
1996 - Michael Jordan
1997 - Glen Rice
1998 - Michael Jordan
2000 - Shaquille O'Neal & Tim Duncan
2001 - Allen Iverson
2002 - Kobe Bryant
2003 - Kevin Garnett
2004 - Shaquille O'Neal
2005 - Allen Iverson
2006 - LeBron James
2007 - Kobe Bryant
2008 - LeBron James
2009 - Kobe Bryant & Shaquille O'Neal
2010 - Dwyane Wade
2011 - Kobe Bryant
2012 - Kevin Durant
2013 - Chris Paul
2014 - Kyrie Irving


Not too many schlubs on this list.

[1~Gibson~1]

Of course he's worth the max. I hope he signs it.

[Black and White]

It's weird, because I don't even think this is a question. Of course Irving is getting a max contract. He's one of the most talented young players in the league. Those guys are the ones who get the big deals.

I think there's an assumption that only current superstars should be getting max contracts, but that's not the way it works. There are 30 teams in the league and all of them have the same amount of cap space. Are there 30 superstars?

No, but there are a lot of really good young players who could eventually become superstars. Kyrie is in that group, undeniably.

He's 22 years old, has put up very good numbers in his first three seasons and, contrary to popular opinion, his teams have improved significantly in each of his first three seasons.

Also, he has made the All-Star Game twice and won the MVP once. Before anyone says that doesn't mean anything, I do realize that... But, there are certain guys who are given positions on the All-Star team and when they enter the game, you can see they don't belong amongst the best players in the NBA. Kyrie looked like he belonged and more.

In fact, if you look at the list of ASG MVPs, you'll find very few guys who weren't at least worth the max.

1988 - Michael Jordan
1989 - Karl Malone
1990 - Magic Johnson
1991 - Charles Barkley
1992 - Magic Johnson
1993 - John Stockton & Karl Malone
1994 - Scottie Pippen
1995 - Mitch Richmond
1996 - Michael Jordan
1997 - Glen Rice
1998 - Michael Jordan
2000 - Shaquille O'Neal & Tim Duncan
2001 - Allen Iverson
2002 - Kobe Bryant
2003 - Kevin Garnett
2004 - Shaquille O'Neal
2005 - Allen Iverson
2006 - LeBron James
2007 - Kobe Bryant
2008 - LeBron James
2009 - Kobe Bryant & Shaquille O'Neal
2010 - Dwyane Wade
2011 - Kobe Bryant
2012 - Kevin Durant
2013 - Chris Paul
2014 - Kyrie Irving


Not too many schlubs on this list.

Thats a damn good list to be in company with, every player has a different value to a team, and thats why they get paid, Paul George is far from a complete product, but Indiana know what he can become, thats why he got paid his deal, is he a superstar? No, but hes young and can develop into one, same with Kyrie Irving, the potential is crazy and he is without question a max contract player, now if only 1 or 2 players are getting paid the max in the league, maybe that would force his market value down, but right now, at market value, hes a max player.

[RedBlackAttack]

J.G. Spooner @JSpoons1

Spoke to source close to Kyrie. Im told he WILL sign the full, 5-yr max extension with CLE & that he's happy with direction team headed in.

:applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

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Sources close to @KyrieIrving say he's happy so far with coach David Blatt. "Most positive talk I've ever heard btwn Kyrie & Cavs," said 1

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Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard


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ESPN Cleveland @ESPNCleveland
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[longtime lurker]

Excellent job Cleveland. If they didn't offer him the max another team would. Now the team can actually focus on making the playoffs.

[GimmeThat]

without knowing the relationship between the Cavs FO with Kyrie


I would have still go through the formal procedue of sitting down with Kyrie and have an owner/GM to future franchise player conversation, even opening the conversation with the fact that we would like to offer you the maximum.

Because yes, I don't nessecarily believe that he is worth the maximum.

But it's what I would do to keep my top draft pick and my franchise player.



But then I guess I just like to talk too.

[imdaman99]

I was one of them guys that said Kyrie had to get the Cavs to the playoffs this past year before the season started. But getting the #1 pick again will work out. They better get in the playoffs next year, it's not fair for them to keep getting #1 picks. Let's see some leadership from Kyrie already.

[DukeDelonte13]

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Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard


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ESPN Cleveland @ESPNCleveland


that's good to hear.

[RedBlackAttack]

I was one of them guys that said Kyrie had to get the Cavs to the playoffs this past year before the season started. But getting the #1 pick again will work out. They better get in the playoffs next year, it's not fair for them to keep getting #1 picks. Let's see some leadership from Kyrie already.
I know we haven't seen him on the bench yet, but I think we may have found our leader this offseason. His name is David Blatt.

There just seems to be so much more optimism bubbling around the franchise right now. It seems like everyone that sits down with this guy comes away grinning. Kyrie is apparently the latest to do so.

I'm so excited to see what he can do with our young talent I can't tell you. And I also think getting Kyrie locked up longterm will help ease tensions. Too many rumors have been swirling around that topic in the last year or so. It wasn't healthy for the locker room, imo.

So far, I think it is safe to say this has been an extraordinary offseason for the Cavs, starting with the lottery to the Blatt/Lue hirings and now this possibly being a much easier process than anyone expected.

[D-Rose]

I know we haven't seen him on the bench yet, but I think we may have found our leader this offseason. His name is David Blatt.

There just seems to be so much more optimism bubbling around the franchise right now. It seems like everyone that sits down with this guy comes away grinning. Kyrie is apparently the latest to do so.

I'm so excited to see what he can do with our young talent I can't tell you. And I also think getting Kyrie locked up longterm will also help ease tensions. Too many rumors have been swirling around that topic in the last year or so. It wasn't healthy for the locker room, imo.

So far, I think it is safe to say this has been an extraordinary offseason for the Cavs, starting with the lottery to the Blatt/Lue hirings and now this possibly being a much easier process than anyone expected.


Things are certainly looking bright in Cleveland.

You know, for all the shit he gets...Dan Gilbert can be the owner of any of my teams any day. He's passionate, sometimes too much, but he pours his heart and wallet into it. Good for Cleveland fans.

[RedBlackAttack]

Things are certainly looking bright in Cleveland.

You know, for all the shit he gets...Dan Gilbert can be the owner of any of my teams any day. He's passionate, sometimes too much, but he pours his heart and wallet into it. Good for Cleveland fans.
I have been saying this for a while, but I understand he will remain a punchline until the wins start to come. At the end of the day, any mistakes he has made have been well intentioned.

If given the choice between an owner who runs a team like a business, caring only about the bottom line or a guy who will do whatever it takes to win and is not afraid to go to bat for the city, everyone would choose the latter.

The fact that he recently made Lue the highest paid assistant coach speaks to that. Money is no object if he thinks it will improve the team.

[Qwyjibo]

Finally all the talk of the Cavs "needing to trade him because he's unhappy" will stop. As has been mentioned by myself and several other smart posters, top players NEVER leave the teams that drafted them after their rookie deals. It doesn't happen and it probably won't happen as long as the CBA remains the same for this kind of stuff. Anthony Davis will eventually re-sign with NO and guys like Wiggins and Parker will re-sign with Cleveland and Milwaukee if they end up being very good players too.

Also, Kyrie is definitely worth the max. Anyone who doesn't think so does not have a good grasp of how the free agency market works. There would have been several teams lining up to give him max offer sheets if he reached restricted free agency. The market determines what you are worth.

[D-Rose]

@WojYahooNBA 28s
David Blatt has joined Cavaliers meeting with Kyrie Irving in New Jersey, eager to further lay out his offensive vision to his star.

Just for you, RBA :cheers:

[RedBlackAttack]

Just for you, RBA :cheers:
Haha. Beat me to it. :cheers: