Is Chris Bosh a superstar?

[TheCorporation]

2014: 16.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.1 apg 1.0 spg, 1.0 bpg on 52/34/82

Other notable PF in the league:

Boozer: 13.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.6 apg, .7 spg, .3 bpg on 46/0/77
West: 14.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.8 apg, .8 spg, .9 bpg on 49/27/79
Ibaka: 15.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 2.7 bpg, .5 spg on 54/38/78
Randolph: 17.4 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 bpg on 47/10/74
Davis: 20.8 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.6 apg, 2.8 bpg, 1.3 spg on 52/22/79
Monroe: 15.2 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.1 apg, .6 bpg, 1.1 spg on 50/0/66
Young: 17.9 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.5 bpg, 2.1 spg on 45/31/71
Faried: 13.7 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.2 apg, 0.9 bpg, 0.9 spg on 55/0/65

Other notables:
Blake Griffin
LaMarcus Aldridge
Kevin Love
Paul Milsap
David Lee
Dirk Nowitzki
Boris Diaw
etc.

I see some people saying Bosh is a top 10 player in the League. A "superstar" player. I don't even know if Bosh is a top ten Power Forward in the league.

[SouBeachTalents]

He's NEVER been a superstar

[DaSeba5]

No. He's an all-star and a good player.

[Black and White]

Bosh is not a superstar, but hes a damn good player to have as a 3rd option.

[Legends66NBA7]

Bosh has NEVER been a superstar in his career.

He has been a franchise player for the Raptors and he is a Top 10 PF today.

[DFish24]

He's a superstar, but Lebron ball makes him look like just an all-star.

[navy]

Definitely. Dude was beasting until Lebron turned him into a spot up shooter. He could post up the best of them.

[unbreakable]

before miami he was a superstar and franchise player who had a great inside out game..

after going to miami he was delegated to being a spot up shooter in the "lebron system".. i also blame Spo and Riley for not putting a leash on lebron-ball sooner..

if bosh was utilized the right way, miami would have swept their way to a 4peat EASILY.. smh.

[edrick]

He's a superstar, but Lebron ball makes him look like just an all-star.

What did he accomplish in Toronto as the main dude?

People throw around the word superstar way too much. If Bosh is a superstar, there are a hell of a lot more superstars out there.

[dubeta]

Never was, LeBron played once with a superstar (Wade in 2011) since then its just been LeBron and a few quality players

[Ne 1]

He's been an All-Star every season since '06, pretty impressive.
Bosh put up 24/11 on 52% shooting the year before coming to Miami where he's been regulated to a spot up shooter. I wouldn't say he's a superstar, but he's a lower tier franchisee player and a perennial All-Star, similar to a Pau Gasol/Jermaine O'Neal or a Brad Daugherty level big man. Probably just a small notch above them actually.

[Fiddlesticks]

2014: 16.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.1 apg 1.0 spg, 1.0 bpg on 52/34/82

Other notable PF in the league:

Boozer: 13.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.6 apg, .7 spg, .3 bpg on 46/0/77
West: 14.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.8 apg, .8 spg, .9 bpg on 49/27/79
Ibaka: 15.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 2.7 bpg, .5 spg on 54/38/78
Randolph: 17.4 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 bpg on 47/10/74
Davis: 20.8 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.6 apg, 2.8 bpg, 1.3 spg on 52/22/79
Monroe: 15.2 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.1 apg, .6 bpg, 1.1 spg on 50/0/66
Young: 17.9 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.5 bpg, 2.1 spg on 45/31/71
Faried: 13.7 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.2 apg, 0.9 bpg, 0.9 spg on 55/0/65

Other notables:
Blake Griffin
LaMarcus Aldridge
Kevin Love
Paul Milsap
David Lee
Dirk Nowitzki
Boris Diaw
etc.

I see some people saying Bosh is a top 10 player in the League. A "superstar" player. I don't even know if Bosh is a top ten Power Forward in the league.

Chris Bosh is a center but if he was a PF he just cracks the top 10

1. Blake Griffin
2. Anthony Davis
3. LaMarcus Aldridge
4. Kevin Love
5. Josh Smith
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Al Horford
8. Serge Ibaka
9. Paul Millsap
10. Chris Bosh

However if Bosh were to leave to where LeBron wouldn't ruin his game, he might be a top 10 player in the League again.

[STATUTORY]

25ppg scorer before lebron ruined his career

if i were bosh, i would file civil litigation

[navy]

Never was, LeBron played once with a superstar (Wade in 2011) since then its just been LeBron and a few quality players
This.

[Black and White]

Chris Bosh is a center but if he was a PF he just cracks the top 10

1. Blake Griffin
2. Anthony Davis
3. LaMarcus Aldridge
4. Kevin Love
5. Josh Smith
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Al Horford
8. Serge Ibaka
9. Paul Millsap
10. Chris Bosh

However if Bosh were to leave to where LeBron wouldn't ruin his game, he might be a top 10 player in the League again.


:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

Chris Bosh is a center but if he was a PF he just cracks the top 10

1. Blake Griffin
2. Anthony Davis
3. LaMarcus Aldridge
4. Kevin Love
5. Josh Smith
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Al Horford
8. Serge Ibaka
9. Paul Millsap
10. Chris Bosh


You forgot to add Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson.

[GimmeThat]

you are posting the statistics of Chris Bosh playing as a Center.

as a PF he was an all star.


he's not a very good offensive Center, defensively, there's really only Davis and maybe Dwight that would have give him some real problems.


too bad the Heat's 1st rounder isn't very attractive, imagine if Asik played next to Bosh. Might be an even better fit than Gortat.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No.

[Rodmantheman]

No

[MJ(Mean John)]

He has the Kevin love Syndrome. Bosh put up 25/11 on his own team and took them to the play offs. Just puts up good stats on a sorry squad.

But, bosh is Good player, he's not great. Especially at this stage of his career.

Same thing will happen to Love when he joins a good team. He will be a 16-18 pts/10 reb player

[Lebron23]

He's an all star center.

[Rubio2Gasol]

In the right situation, he's a star and a 22 PPG player. Spotting up from three? No, he's not a star.

He was a top 10 player in the league when he joined Miami.

[edrick]

25ppg scorer before lebron ruined his career

if i were bosh, i would file civil litigation

and that translated to how many playoff wins?

[Rubio2Gasol]

and that translated to how many playoff wins?

Please don't go down that road.

They will simply throw Pau in your face.

[GimmeThat]

He has the Kevin love Syndrome. Bosh put up 25/11 on his own team and took them to the play offs. Just puts up good stats on a sorry squad.

But, bosh is Good player, he's not great. Especially at this stage of his career.

Same thing will happen to Love when he joins a good team. He will be a 16-18 pts/10 reb player


Name me 2 players that others can say they are hands down BETTER than Love that you can actually imagine a scenario where they get put together.

Players in the same tier does not count as being better.


If Bosh was a top 10 player when he joined the Heat. where would Wade been ranked?

[Rubio2Gasol]

Name me 2 players that others can say they are hands down BETTER than Love that you can actually imagine a scenario where they get put together.

Players in the same tier does not count as being better.


If Bosh was a top 10 player when he joined the Heat. where would Wade been ranked?

Consensus at the time:

Two of the top three.

Three of the top 10.

Wade was widely considered a top three player (though I personally thought he was further down).

[GimmeThat]

Consensus at the time:

Two of the top three.

Three of the top 10.

Wade was widely considered a top three player (though I personally thought he was further down).


man, I just don't know if Bosh and Wade can be first ballot hall of famer any more with how much they've regressed playing next to Lebron.

it would be a criminal act.

[PJR]

Please don't go down that road.

They will simply throw Pau in your face.

And it would be a hollow retort, just like it always is.

Pau Gasol's Memphis playoffs teams lost to the 57-25 Spurs, 62 win PHX Suns, and 60 win Dallas Mavericks. Pretty stifling competition. And those Memphis supporting cast were mediocre at best.

The Raptors with Bosh as a featured player only made the post-season twice in 7 years. In the Eastern Conference. And his team lost to the 41-41 Nets in 6 in one of those playoff appearnaces. The same team LeBron's Cavaliers SWEPT with Boobie Gibson and company on his their way to the Finals.

Context is everything.

Chris Bosh is a very good player, a multiple all star(very happy to have him as a Heat player, and hope he retires in Miami), but he never ever had that type of impact on wins as a featured player. You were always going nowhere fast with him as your featured player. A No 2 guy? Perhaps. But only if the number 1 is a prime LeBron, Kobe, or D.Wade caliber of player.

[PJR]

man, I just don't know if Bosh and Wade can be first ballot hall of famer any more with how much they've regressed playing next to Lebron.

it would be a criminal act.

Are you seriously questioning Dwyane Wade's hall of fame credentials?

What an idiot.

[aj1987]

man, I just don't know if Bosh and Wade can be first ballot hall of famer any more with how much they've regressed playing next to Lebron.

it would be a criminal act.
Dumbass.

[kurple]

2014: 16.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.1 apg 1.0 spg, 1.0 bpg on 52/34/82

Other notable PF in the league:

Boozer: 13.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.6 apg, .7 spg, .3 bpg on 46/0/77
West: 14.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.8 apg, .8 spg, .9 bpg on 49/27/79
Ibaka: 15.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 2.7 bpg, .5 spg on 54/38/78
Randolph: 17.4 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 bpg on 47/10/74
Davis: 20.8 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.6 apg, 2.8 bpg, 1.3 spg on 52/22/79
Monroe: 15.2 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.1 apg, .6 bpg, 1.1 spg on 50/0/66
Young: 17.9 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.5 bpg, 2.1 spg on 45/31/71
Faried: 13.7 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.2 apg, 0.9 bpg, 0.9 spg on 55/0/65

Other notables:
Blake Griffin
LaMarcus Aldridge
Kevin Love
Paul Milsap
David Lee
Dirk Nowitzki
Boris Diaw
etc.

I see some people saying Bosh is a top 10 player in the League. A "superstar" player. I don't even know if Bosh is a top ten Power Forward in the league.
yes. none of the other guys have to play with LeBallhog

miami have turned bosh into rashard lewis 2.0

[GimmeThat]

Dumbass.


nuts been numb

[GimmeThat]

Are you seriously questioning Dwyane Wade's hall of fame credentials?

What an idiot.

no, not at all.

but I figured since we are faking his resume.

There's too many other people I got to stuff into that first ballot.

[red1]

man, I just don't know if Bosh and Wade can be first ballot hall of famer any more with how much they've regressed playing next to Lebron.

it would be a criminal act.
reported

[Fiddlesticks]

You forgot to add Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson.
Zach Randolph isn't top 10 and Al is a center.

[SouBeachTalents]

man, I just don't know if Bosh and Wade can be first ballot hall of famer any more with how much they've regressed playing next to Lebron.

it would be a criminal act.

:facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

He was a top 10 player in the league when he joined Miami.

No he wasn't. Bosh was NEVER a Top 10 player. The best he could possibly be was Top 15. His prime wasn't that good to be consistently in the talks for Top 10 debate. Top 20-25 was mostly his range.

Just off the top of my head (no order) after the end of 2010

Tim Duncan
Kevin Durant
Steve Nash
Carmelo Anthony
Pau Gasol
Deron Williams
Dirk Nowitzki
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Dwight Howard
Dwyane Wade

Would all be considered better. There's also the likes of Chris Paul, who was injured that year, who would be over him. There's probably other names that would jocking with Bosh for Top 15-20 range



The Raptors with Bosh as a featured player only made the post-season twice in 7 years. In the Eastern Conference. And his team lost to the 41-41 Nets in 6 in one of those playoff appearnaces. The same team LeBron's Cavaliers SWEPT with Boobie Gibson and company on his their way to the Finals.

The Nets overall record is pretty misleading that year. Jefferson missed a good chunk of their season and if he played a healthy 80+ games, the Nets would probably have won the division and possibly over 50+ games.

Regardless, that doesn't excuse Bosh for playing the way he did that season.

[Fire Colangelo]

He was barely top 5 in his position at his prime. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Zach Randolph isn't top 10 and Al is a center.

:coleman:

2014:

Chris Bosh: 16.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.1 apg 1.0 spg, 1.0 bpg on 52/34/82
Zach Randolph: 17.4 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.3 spg, 0.7 bpg on 47/10/74

Scores more, rebound significantly more, assists more, steals less and blocks about the same.

[stalkerforlife]

Bosh was iced out of the Heat offense, so his numbers are truly distorted. He's not a superstar on this Heat team because they turned him into a spot up shooter.

He could be close to a superstar on his own team, possibly.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bosh was iced out of the Heat offense, so his numbers are truly distorted. He's not a superstar on this Heat team because they turned him into a spot up shooter.

He could be close to a superstar on his own team, possibly.

He wasn't a "superstar" on Toronto

[stalkerforlife]

He wasn't a "superstar" on Toronto

24 and 11 and the playoffs.

Close enough.

[SouBeachTalents]

24 and 11 and the playoffs.

Close enough.

Elton Brand's 2006 > Bosh's 2010, and I doubt anyone would consider Brand a "superstar"

[(e)]

Using stats to make your argument here is just dumb.

Chris Bosh was putting up 22/10 like clockwork with the Raptors. His last season with them he averaged 24/10.8/2.4 and a block a game, on 51.8% shooting.

He was 19/8 - 18/8 his first 2 seasons with Miami. Next 2 seasons dipped even more as he gets pushed further and further away from the basket on offense 17/7 to 16/6.

I'll also mention that with the Raptors, only his first 2 seasons did he average under 2 assists a game (1, and 1.9), the rest of his time there he was putting up around 2.5 a game. With Miami? 1.9 first season, 1.8 second, 1.7 third, and 1.1 forth.

Watch a Miami game from when they first came together, and watch one from this season. It's a crime what Miami has done to Chris Bosh. He's one of the most underutilized players in the entire league. Miami has essentially turned him into a spot up shooter. He has a beautiful face up post game and the ability to kill teams from midrange. Instead, Miami pushes their best rebounder away from the basket and leaves him in the corner. He doesn't ever have the ball in his hands, if he gets the ball on offense he is either shooting it, or moving it. Rarely ever do you see him go to work in the post like he did all game long in Toronto.

He's definitely a top 10 PF in the league no doubt. Is he a superstar? Eh, probably not, but he's a hell of a lot better than his stats say.

[GimmeThat]

:facepalm


if you get worse playing with someone who is better than you. how does it NOT hurt your chance?

although their winning percentage would absolutely conflict with the statement I just made.


Just have them stay at South Beach, and continue to wreck each others career.



that's that.

[SamuraiSWISH]

No, but few players are. He's a perennial all star, and one of the best players in the league at his position talent wise. That's more than good enough. Thus why in 2011 they were called the Big Three. No revisionist history here. He was a franchise guy in Toronto.

[Legends66NBA7]

No, but few players are. He's a perennial all star, and one of the best players in the league at his position talent wise. That's more than good enough. Thus why in 2011 they were called the Big Three. No revisionist history here. He was a franchise guy in Toronto.

Hit the nail on the head.

[GimmeThat]

who here thinks Raptors > Wolves though?

[dubeta]

Slightly above average PF that looks better than he is due to Bran feeding him open shots

[Legends66NBA7]

who here thinks Raptors > Wolves though?

Currently ? Yes, the Raptors are better than the Wolves.

All-time ? Eh, not really worth a debate there. Both are bottom 5 of all-time.