how many power forwards in the history of the game has put up 5 consecutive seasons

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of 22+ppg/9+ rebounds?

I know pau gasol has never done it :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

of 22ppg/9+ rebounds?

I know pau gasol has never done it :confusedshrug:

How many PF's other than Pau were robbed of FMVP?

[SouBeachTalents]

Elton Brand came pretty close, he did average 20 & 10 on 50% shooting for 8 seasons in a much tougher conference

[STATUTORY]

Elton Brand came pretty close, he did average 20 & 10 on 50% shooting for 8 seasons in a much tougher conference
elton brand has 6 20ppg season in his whole career :coleman:

[navy]

Do you know the answer or do you want us to waste our time and search it?

[SouBeachTalents]

elton brand has 6 20ppg season in his whole career :coleman:

Bosh has 5 :coleman:

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we really gonna act like Chris Bosh wasnt bona fide top 3 PF in teh game before Lebron ruined his career?

[unbreakable]

we really gonna act like Chris Bosh wasnt bona fide top 3 PF in teh game before Lebron ruined his career?

Wow it was Chris Bosh LMAO

Dat lebron-ball.. guaranteed to make your teammates take paycuts so you can get the MAX :lol

[moe94]

we really gonna act like Chris Bosh wasnt bona fide top 3 PF in teh game before Lebron ruined his career?

Ruined his career to the tune of 2 championships and likely more to follow. I'm sure he'd rather have the stats doe.

[JohnFreeman]

Bosh wasn't that great till 09

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Ruined his career to the tune of 2 championships and likely more to follow. I'm sure he'd rather have the stats doe.

:coleman: really, we gonna act like Lebron hasn't degraded poor Chris from top 3 PF to a spot up shooting Chrisy?

we gonna act like lebron hasn't assassinated Bosh's reputation?

the damage is irreparable. If i were bosh, I file civil litigation

[moe94]

Bosh wasn't that great till 09

He was already basically 20/10 by his third year.

[Wavves]

Made the playoffs 2 out of 7 seasons, and exited in the first round BOTH times.

I've always liked Bosh, but you are a ****ing idiot

[SouBeachTalents]

:coleman: really, we gonna act like Lebron hasn't degraded poor Chris from top 3 PF to a spot up shooting Chrisy?

we gonna act like lebron hasn't assassinated Bosh's reputation?

the damage is irreparable. If i were bosh, I file civil litigation

What was Bosh's reputation pre July 2010? He was a totally forgettable good big man on a shitty team a la Elton Brand and Zach Randolph that had been borderline irrelevant to the league

[JohnFreeman]

He was already basically 20/10 by his third year.
Yeah but he wasn't making the playoffs

[Legends66NBA7]

we really gonna act like Chris Bosh wasnt bona fide top 3 PF in teh game before Lebron ruined his career?

Yeah, that's exactly how we gonna act. And he was never a Top 3 PF at any point.

Give me Duncan, Garnett, and Nowitzki over Bosh during the course of each season. Shit, give me peak Brand, Amare and Webber over Bosh's peak and they played in the same era. Bosh is a middle of the pack PF who was never a truly great and dominant PF with the likes of Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, Barkley, Malone, Pettit, Hayes, etc... He wasn't even a better second or third option vs the likes of Pau Gasol and Kevin McHale. I know there's a bunch of other players right now on prime/peak Bosh's level or who will surpass and are probably not being called superstars. There's also a bunch of ex-players that were probably not superstars in their day and were as good or better than Bosh too.

Bosh should thank LeBron everyday for him to even have a career with 2 titles.

[moe94]

What was Bosh's reputation pre July 2010? He was a totally forgettable good big man on a shitty team a la Elton Brand and Zach Randolph that had been borderline irrelevant to the league

I think him and Howard were the only 20/10 bigs in the league the last year of Toronto. How is that irrelevant?

[SouBeachTalents]

I think him and Howard were the only 20/10 bigs in the league the last year of Toronto. How is that irrelevant?

One All-NBA 2nd team selection and 3 playoff wins in 7 seasons, that's quite the historic resume

[STATUTORY]

What was Bosh's reputation pre July 2010? He was a totally forgettable good big man on a shitty team a la Elton Brand and Zach Randolph that had been borderline irrelevant to the league

:roll: :roll: these revisionist Lebron stans are just sickening

Bosh could have demanded a MAX contract from any of the teams with cap space that season. YOUR BOY recruited, pleaded, and campaigned for him to join his team.

irrelevant? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron stans such ungrateful betas

[Droid101]

One All-NBA 2nd team selection and 3 playoff wins in 7 seasons, that's quite the historic resume
:roll: :roll:

And this asshole would probably try to talk about Gasol carrying the Lakers to rings? Even though Gasol had ZERO playoff wins, and ZERO all nba selections before he got the chance to play with Kobe.

That was Kobe's 2nd option. And bran got the above dude as a 3rd? :lol

[Milbuck]

One All-NBA 2nd team selection and 3 playoff wins in 7 seasons, that's quite the historic resume
http://i.imgur.com/3UPtzsd.png

It's not like he had a lot to work with...and that was their better season, 47 wins.

[STATUTORY]

One All-NBA 2nd team selection and 3 playoff wins in 7 seasons, that's quite the historic resume
you know what is historic?

ZERO FOR SIXTEEN

that's gasol's playoff record without Kobe. FMVP right?! sickening asshole

[moe94]

http://i.imgur.com/3UPtzsd.png

It's not like he had a lot to work with...and that was their better season, 47 wins.

Stop ruining shit with logic :no:

[SouBeachTalents]

:roll: :roll:

And this asshole would probably try to talk about Gasol carrying the Lakers to rings? Even though Gasol had ZERO playoff wins, and ZERO all nba selections before he got the chance to play with Kobe.

Mind read fail. I never said Gasol "carried" the Lakers to titles, obviously he hadn't won anything before joining Kobe in LA. It's indisputable he's been MUCH more valuable to the Lakers than Bosh has been for the Heat though

[moe94]

you know what is historic?

ZERO FOR SIXTEEN

that's gasol's playoff record without Kobe. FMVP right?! sickening asshole

What are they correlated at all?

[Legends66NBA7]

http://i.imgur.com/3UPtzsd.png

It's not like he had a lot to work with...and that was their better season, 47 wins.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10149729&postcount=24

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9824854&postcount=10

If the argument is teammates, it works both ways. 3 wins in 7 years is usually a negative to Bosh. It's a bigger negative in context.

[TheCorporation]

:coleman: really, we gonna act like Lebron hasn't degraded poor Chris from top 3 PF to a spot up shooting Chrisy?

we gonna act like lebron hasn't assassinated Bosh's reputation?

the damage is irreparable. If i were bosh, I file civil litigation

Chris Bosh went from first round fodder to being a back-to-back Champion, making the Finals 4 straight years.

Sounds like an upgrade to me :lol

Bosh went from a team that won:

2008: 41
2009: 33
2010: 40
38 Win average


2011: 58
2012: *57 win pace
2013: 66
2014: 54
59 win average

Looks like an upgrade to me.

[STATUTORY]

What are they correlated at all?
heat fans tearing down Chris Bosh while trying to put Gasol on pedestal.

[SouBeachTalents]

heat fans tearing down Chris Bosh while trying to put Gasol on pedestal.

The exact opposite could be said of you

[moe94]

heat fans tearing down Chris Bosh while trying to put Gasol on pedestal.

I mean, why is Gasol's time in Memphis have any correlation to whether or not he deserved a FMVP on the Lakers?

[Warfan]

God damn this thread is a prime example of why stans are the worst fans in basketball and just ruin ISH:facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

God damn this thread is a prime example of why stans are the worst fans in basketball and just ruin ISH:facepalm

Literally ruin the quality of the forum.

[STATUTORY]

I mean, why is Gasol's time in Memphis have any correlation to whether or not he deserved a FMVP on the Lakers?
the only reason he played well in the finals is because of Kobe

without Kobe, Gasol is trash

with kobe, he can be a contributor

so who ultimately do you attribute his success to?

apples don't just fall from trees, it's cause of gravity. Gasol didn't just play well, he played well because of Kobe

[Marchesk]

of 22+ppg/9+ rebounds?

Bob Pettit: 10 consecutive seasons of 22+/12+

Dude is underrated.

[moe94]

the only reason he played well in the finals is because of Kobe

without Kobe, Gasol is trash

with kobe, he can be a contributor

so who ultimately do you attribute his success to?

apples don't just fall from trees, it's cause of gravity. Gasol didn't just play well, he played well because of Kobe

This is almost as embarrassing as Jordan stans suggesting he created Pippen. Almost.

[Legends66NBA7]

This is almost as embarrassing as Jordan stans suggesting he created Pippen. Almost.

I was going to post the same thing.

:oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

Gasol's ability to pass the ball, means that even as a 2nd option, the team still needed many contributors around Kobe/Pau in order for them to compete, but they COULD, if the talents were there, which they were.

Bosh's ability to score/rebound, and later on defend as a center, allowed the Heat to have a drop off point in talent as him being the 3rd option. And signing Ray Allen pretty much sealed the deal.

[STATUTORY]

This is almost as embarrassing as Jordan stans suggesting he created Pippen. Almost.
so it's a concidence that Gasol had career numbers in FG%, ppg, rebounds, after he got paired with Kobe?

the list of players Kobe has elevated above their nature:

Smush
Chris Mihm
Farmar
Vujajic
Odom
Brian Cook
luke walton
ronny turiaf
bynum

all those players fell apart after separating from Kobe. most of them not even able to stay in the league

Despite the popular conception. Kobe has always had an incredibly positive impact on his teammates.

Lebron on the other hand. everyone who plays with him has WORSE numbers across the board:

Shaq
Larry Hughes
Wade
Chris Bosh