If I were a GM I would never spend more than 8mil/yr for a starting PG.

[WeGetRing2012]

PGs in the NBA are like RBs in the NFL. They make pretty plays from time to time but you really just need them to do the basics. In the NBA you are set at the PG position if your guy can shoot the 3 point shot, defend decently, and create from time to time. That's it! Anything else they bring is extra and is not gonna add numbers to the W column. If you look at the max paid PGs today (CP3,Rose,Irving, Westbrook and Williams) I would rather have the cheaper ones (Rondo, Patty Mills,Dragic, Jeff Teague,etc)

I would spend my money on big men and scorers.

[Fork]

So you would rather have Patty Mills than Westbrook?

[navy]

Good thing you arent a GM.

[Clyde]

PGs in the NBA are like RBs in the NFL. They make pretty plays from time to time but you really just need them to do the basics. In the NBA you are set at the PG position if your guy can shoot the 3 point shot, defend decently, and create from time to time. That's it! Anything else they bring is extra and is not gonna add numbers to the W column. If you look at the max paid PGs today (CP3,Rose,Irving, Westbrook and Williams) I would rather have the cheaper ones (Rondo, Patty Mills,Dragic, Jeff Teague,etc)

I would spend my money on big men and scorers.


Big men? Like centers?

:roll: :roll:

Watch basketball much?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

So if you were the Clippers GM you wouldn't have signed Paul? What about Westbrook? Curry?

[LoneyROY7]

And that's why you're not a GM. The three best teams in the Western Conference all spend over 12 million a year on their PG.

[WeGetRing2012]

So you would rather have Patty Mills than Westbrook?

Yup! Mills and other elite player at the other four positions. How has that Westbrook/Durant combo worked for OKC. Durant + a max PF + Mills would go further (ex Durant/Aldridge/Mills) or (Durant/Love/Mills). PGs are a waste of money... when is the last time an elite one LEAD their team to a championship?

[ImKobe]

It depends on the system and the players you have on the team. Obviously, superstar PGs haven't been that great in the Playoffs in recent years when it comes to winning championships (CP3 is the best example of this) but they can lead teams to titles given a proper supporting cast. Clippers were actually very good and were some questionable calls and some unfortunate plays away from making the WCF, Westbrook & KD have been in the NBA Finals and weren't too far away from forcing a Game 7 against the Spurs. D.Rose led his Bulls to the ECF the last time he was totally healthy.

Obviously, I'd rather have a 3 & D type of a PG with a solid front court and a scoring SG if I was building a team, as it has had the most success in the last 2 decades, but I think anything could work as long as you have the right pieces to complement a high-scoring point guard that dominates the ball for most of the game.

[WeGetRing2012]

Big men? Like centers?

:roll: :roll:

Watch basketball much?

Not all big men are Centers. Do you watch basketball??? (bitch)

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yup! Mills and other elite player at the other four positions. How has that Westbrook/Durant combo worked for OKC. Durant + a max PF + Mills would go further (ex Durant/Aldridge/Mills) or (Durant/Love/Mills). PGs are a waste of money... when is the last time an elite one LEAD their team to a championship?
3 straight years as a top 2 seed in the conference, 3 WCFs in the last 4 years (only missed it when overpaid Westbrook was injured)....

Also, you're just assuming it's easy to get an elite player at any position. I'd rather have an elite center than an elite wing but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna try to sign Kevin Durant..

[WeGetRing2012]

So if you were the Clippers GM you wouldn't have signed Paul? What about Westbrook? Curry?

Westbrook is the worst kind of PG to have if trying to win a championship. I think he's a great player though.

The Clippers had no choice but to sign Paul. They suck and were never going to attract a big name like him again.

[fpliii]

Controversial OP, but I'm inclined to agree.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Westbrook is the worst kind of PG to have if trying to win a championship. I think he's a great player though.

The Clippers had no choice but to sign Paul. They suck and were never going to attract a big name like him again.
That describes just about every team. It's not easy to attract elite players.

I do agree however, that IDEALLY I wouldn't want to build my team around my PG.

[WeGetRing2012]

3 straight years as a top 2 seed in the conference, 3 WCFs in the last 4 years (only missed it when overpaid Westbrook was injured)....

Also, you're just assuming it's easy to get an elite player at any position. I'd rather have an elite center than an elite wing but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna try to sign Kevin Durant..

They have been to the Finals ONCE. And lost to a team with an elite SG,SF, and PF/C. And a sorry ass PG.

I'm not saying it's easy to get players at these other position and most of the times these PG's are maxed out because their organization had no other choice. But if given the choice and the availability of other positions to fill. The PG would be the last position and the cheapest I would spend money on.

[ottooooooo]

back to flipping burgers then

[WeGetRing2012]

That describes just about every team. It's not easy to attract elite players.

I do agree however, that IDEALLY I wouldn't want to build my team around my PG.

Yeah that's all I'm saying. I realize that the Bulls, Clippers, Warriors, and other teams building around PG's have no other choice but I would never set up my franchise like that.

[Dro]

Don't know why everyone's trippin.......OP's pretty much correct. I wouldn't build my team around the PG either unless his name is Magic Johnson.

[KBaller33]

It depends with your team.

If you have wingman who can distribute and bring the ball up the court(LeBron, Durant, Harden to an extent) there's really no need for an elite PG. Elite wingman usually dominate the ball and are playmakers already.

Westbrook is more of a SG. If he left OKC and went to another team where he would be "the man" he would really thrive.

Now can you win a title with your PG as the best player? It's tough and hasn't been done in a while

[dubeta]

I would rather have LeBron and an average PG, than Westbrook and an average SF or CP3 and an average SF

[SCdac]

There's some truth to the notion IMO.

Fact of the matter is these guys were all starting PG's for recent championship teams:

Derrick Fisher
Mario Chalmers
Jason Williams
Rajon Rondo (2nd-year player)
Tony Parker (2nd-year player... 3 years before becoming an AS)
Jason Kidd (tail end of his career)

Meanwhile, offenses centered around Steve Nash, Chris Paul, and Deron Williams (Jazz version) never quite made it over the hump. Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose are awesome but can they lead a team to a title as the best player and scorer? we'll see. KD + RW is definitely a great tandem. Just need complementary player around them.

[Jailblazers7]

Don't know why everyone's trippin.......OP's pretty much correct. I wouldn't build my team around the PG either unless his name is Magic Johnson.

You don't have to build around someone for $8M.

[knicksman]

pgs are the best 2nd options tho. But not the score first pgs like westbrook/rose. Cp3/nash are the best 2nd options and when it comes to trio scorer/pg/defensive center. Thats how dallas won.

[knicksman]

There's some truth to the notion IMO.

Fact of the matter is these guys were all starting PG's for recent championship teams:

Derrick Fisher
Mario Chalmers
Jason Williams
Rajon Rondo (2nd-year player)
Tony Parker (2nd-year player... 3 years before becoming an AS)
Jason Kidd (tail end of his career)

Meanwhile, offenses centered around Steve Nash, Chris Paul, and Deron Williams (Jazz version) never quite made it over the hump. Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose are awesome but can they lead a team to a title as the best player and scorer? we'll see. KD + RW is definitely a great tandem. Just need complementary player around them.

amare is done just when his career is starting same with cp3. I agree westbrook and rose couldnt. I cant remember a team thats won by score first pgs.

[bagelred]

It's a dumb thread. What you SHOULD say is that all you need are 2 or 3 elite players. If the elite player is at PG, great! If not? No big deal, as long as have elite players elsewhere....

If you don't think Chris Paul or Tony Parker or Derrick Rose make a difference, you stoopid.

[knicksman]

I would rather have LeBron and an average PG, than Westbrook and an average SF or CP3 and an average SF

LOL cp3 is more impactful than bran. Just because cp3s career ended right when it started while bran cheats to get his rings doesnt mean hes better. People forgot cp3 made his team contenders in just his 3rd yr while it took bran 6 yrs. That impact. Idiots gonna be idiots

[ralph_i_el]

Big men already are paid more relative to pg's.Gortat just got 12m a year. If you're getting 12m a year as a pg you should be an all star candidate.

[Nash]

Westrook is not a classic PG. He's a SG and should play that way next season.

[RoTM]

Things aren't that simple. Generally you make what you have already work and if the option comes along to acquire a really talented player then it doesn't come with options between player A and player B.

At best you could make the argument about the draft, like Randle or Vonleh over Smart.

Even in your own example skillset is more important than position as well. Mills is allowed to do nothing but shoot threes because Ginobli plays back up PG for them.

[WeGetRing2012]

It's a dumb thread. What you SHOULD say is that all you need are 2 or 3 elite players. If the elite player is at PG, great! If not? No big deal, as long as have elite players elsewhere....

If you don't think Chris Paul or Tony Parker or Derrick Rose make a difference, you stoopid.

I know how to speak and I meant what I said. Paul and Rose have done zilch in their careers so far for their respective teams. And for how good Parker has been for the Spurs he was never maxed out or their best player/focal part of the offense. Matter of fact when the Spurs won in 2003, 2005, & 2007 he was paid $800,000, $1.5mil, and $9.4mil thus proving my point even more. In those years would a max worthy PG have made that much of a difference for the Spurs? Most likely not.

[Brizzly]

I agree, Tony Parker is the only star point guard to win this century.

lakers five times = Fisher
back to back heat = Chalmers
Wade heat = Old Payton/Williams
Mavs = old kidd
C' = young Rondo

[WeGetRing2012]

Things aren't that simple. Generally you make what you have already work and if the option comes along to acquire a really talented player then it doesn't come with options between player A and player B.

At best you could make the argument about the draft, like Randle or Vonleh over Smart.

Even in your own example skillset is more important than position as well. Mills is allowed to do nothing but shoot threes because Ginobli plays back up PG for them.

Exactly to have a championship caliber team what skill set do you need from a PG. To shoot the three, defend, and create. Most times you don't even need a typical PG to do these things. And having a PG that does beyond those simple things doesn't necessarily mean more wins. Because to be a championship team you need consistent scoring, defense, and rebounding. Most of the time because of their size PGs can't promise you that throughout a series.

[Miles and Miles]

If I were a GM I would only work for the Spurs or Heat because they win all the championships. I would only have my team built around either Tim Duncan or Lebron. I would only have Spolstra or Pop coach my team. I love how do these threads like it's that easy.

[Genaro]

I kinda agree with OP but I think he couldn't put into words what he meant to say.
I think he's trying to say that if you want to pick a player to build around, one of the choices is a PG and the players play about the same level, you'd better not go for the PG.

If you have an elite SG/SF who can create the plays you just go for a big man over a PG. In this scenario a PG with great defense, good FT shooting and good 3pt shooting would be enough

[tgan3]

This argument can also be used for the best players in the world, not only PGs.
Who do we pay Lebron and Durant 17-20 mil/yr yet they consistently fail more than win?

Might as well get a big men like Duncan for less than 10 mil and brings u 5 rings.