Pacers offer Lance 5/44m, Lance says no

[UK2K]

The Pacers offered a five-year, $44 million contract to Stephenson, but sources said the versatile shooting guard believes he's worth much more.

With lucrative contracts already committed to Paul George ($15.8 million), Roy Hibbert ($14.9) and David West ($12), the Pacers feel they are offering Stephenson as much as they can while remaining financially prudent.

:facepalm
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Looks like Lance is outtie. Charlotte supposed to be offering contract in the range of 4/46m.

[To4]

Wtf??

[-Lebron23-]

Of course he refused. He's going to get way more than that.

[Rubio2Gasol]

They can match when a higher offer comes?

[Akrazotile]

That contract is actually pretty appropriate for Lance's value.

Just because Hibbert and George are overpaid doesnt mean Lance should be too.

[FLDFSU]

:roll: at the Pacers

[UK2K]

They can match when a higher offer comes?
They can but they wont.

Larry Legend has already stated he wont go over the cap.

[Derka]

Its gonna be hilarious when this knucklehead gets more. :lol Somewhere in the $8-9 per range is good for him.

[UK2K]

That contract is actually pretty appropriate for Lance's value.

Just because Hibbert and George are overpaid doesnt mean Lance should be too.
I agree. 9m per is pretty fair for Lance. There will always be one GM who overvalues him. Parsons is about 9.5-10m per, but someone will offer him 12.

[-Lebron23-]

Tyreke Evans got 4/44, OJ Mayo 3/24... Lance is probably looking at 5/50 at the very least

[roffie]

for the pacers sake hope they keep him lol

him and george is what makes the team IMO and hibbert on his good days

[UK2K]

Tyreke Evans got 4/44, OJ Mayo 3/24... Lance is probably looking at 5/50 at the very least
No chance the Pacers offer that.

He'll get 4/48 from somebody though, and if its Charlotte, that team will be nasty.

[UK2K]

Kemba
Lance
MKG
? (McBob?)
Big Al

ECF champs

Love to see Bron score on a Lance/MKG combo. They'd hound him all night.

[D-Rose]

This will be interesting. They're not interested in bringing back Evan Turner. Incredible how their team complexion has changed since that Granger trade.

I can see someone overpaying him...I mean Meeks got 6 mill a yr, but then again his antics may come back to haunt him...

[CHi1PriDe]

Kemba
Lance
MKG
? (McBob?)
Big Al

ECF champs

Love to see Bron score on a Lance/MKG combo. They'd hound him all night.

Didn't Bron drop 61 points on MKG :lebronamazed:

[JohnFreeman]

Lance is so overrated though

[UK2K]

Didn't Bron drop 61 points on MKG :lebronamazed:
MKG played 26 minutes.

He scored most of those on Anthony Tolliver (22 mins) and Zeller (19 minutes).

Lebron played the PF that game with Wade out.

[-Lebron23-]

No chance the Pacers offer that.

He'll get 4/48 from somebody though, and if its Charlotte, that team will be nasty.
Exactly. They offered as much as they thought they reasonably could and I don't think they'll go over the cap.

Charlotte is a great situation for him, even more now that they added Vonleh. The athleticism of that team :eek:

[UK2K]

Exactly. They offered as much as they thought they reasonably could and I don't think they'll go over the cap.

Charlotte is a great situation for him, even more now that they added Vonleh. The athleticism of that team :eek:
I think I read Charlotte has 20m in cap space.

Lance goes there, they have a legit ****ing team.

[STATUTORY]

lance might be the best combo guard in the game at the moment

[HylianNightmare]

Well they tried. Pacers choked it all away last year anyway

[hawksdogsbraves]

Overpaying an actually insane locker room cancer? What could go wrong! :cheers:

[UK2K]

Overpaying an actually insane locker room cancer? What could go wrong! :cheers:
He led their team in rebounding, and is only 23. He may be the most well rounded player in the league other than Lebron. Shooting, passing, rebounding, defense. There is nothing he's not good at.

That being said, he should be valued at around 10.5m but someone (looking like Charlotte) will offer him 12.

[Dro]

Can you provide a link? Anyway, if this is true, then wtf Lance?

[JohnFreeman]

Can you provide a link? Anyway, if this is true, then wtf Lance?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11166650/lance-stephenson-indiana-pacers-impasse-contract

[UK2K]

Can you provide a link? Anyway, if this is true, then wtf Lance?
On ESPN.com front page
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11166650

[JohnFreeman]

Lance should show a little loyalty. Without Bird he would be out the league.

[hawksdogsbraves]

He led their team in rebounding, and is only 23. He may be the most well rounded player in the league other than Lebron. Shooting, passing, rebounding, defense. There is nothing he's not good at.

That being said, he should be valued at around 10.5m but someone (looking like Charlotte) will offer him 12.

I agree that he's a good player, but the dude is a crazy person and he nearly ripped apart the Pacers locker room last season.

He could be a changed man and just focus on playing bball, or conversely he could clash with the coach, be a horrible influence on your young talent, and kill your team chemistry. Signing him is a risk.

[wally_world]

4/42 sounds about fair. Indy might have shot themselves in the foot with that offer. Now they might have to match an even higher offer from other teams.

[UK2K]

I agree that he's a good player, but the dude is a crazy person and he nearly ripped apart the Pacers locker room last season.

He could be a changed man and just focus on playing bball, or conversely he could clash with the coach, be a horrible influence on your young talent, and kill your team chemistry. Signing him is a risk.
I agree.

But that upside... Imagine that the guy continues to get better until he's 27. Guy could damn near average a triple double in a few years. Think Rondo type numbers but with a better shot.

Or he could self implode and wind up like Dennis Rodman.

[Johnny Jones]

He'll get near max money. The market is already ****ed with celtics giving Bradley 8 mil/year smh :facepalm

[GimmeThat]

this offer says a lot more about Roy Hibberts future with the team then how they really value Lance.

[xoracle55]

I think if true, Pacers offered more than reasonable $$ on the table for what he is worth. :confusedshrug:

I hope he didnt "blow" his chance this time...:hammerhead:

[aboss4real24]

Hes going to Heat

[Dro]

On ESPN.com front page
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11166650
:cheers:

[Droid101]

Yeah... he can get that over 4 years with someone else easily.

[DMAVS41]

He's definitely a more valuable player than Bradley...so he'll likely get at least 10 a year.

And he's worth that honestly. He's worth 10 million a year in this NBA.

[UK2K]

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Tough unrestricted free agent market for Lance Stephenson, I should say. Trouble finding leverage on the Pacers.

One wonders what Lance will act like without Larry Legend there to keep him in check.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Charlotte needs to act on this ASAP!

Lance could be a great leader on that squad.. with a healthy big al and a budding kemba, they could be 2nd round threats or even ECF threats..

fukk indy anyways.. paul george and hibbert are softies. lance is ALPHA.. cmon charlotte!!!!

[navy]

The Pacers are cap tied. This was a great offer.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Charlotte needs to act on this ASAP!

Lance could be a great leader on that squad.. with a healthy big al and a budding kemba, they could be 2nd round threats or even ECF threats..

fukk indy anyways.. paul george and hibbert are softies. lance is ALPHA.. cmon charlotte!!!!

Lance a great LEADER????

The single biggest locker room cancer in the NBA right now???

:roll:

[ILLsmak]

The Pacers offered a five-year, $44 million contract to Stephenson, but sources said the versatile shooting guard believes he's worth much more.

With lucrative contracts already committed to Paul George ($15.8 million), Roy Hibbert ($14.9) and David West ($12), the Pacers feel they are offering Stephenson as much as they can while remaining financially prudent.

:facepalm
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Looks like Lance is outtie. Charlotte supposed to be offering contract in the range of 4/46m.

As he should. lol. Dude needs at least 10. Hope he goes to CHA.

-Smak

[KyleKong]

Lance's locker room problems and gigantic ego is why no one will be spending a penny more then the Pacers offered him.

[ItsMillerTime]

Lance's locker room problems and gigantic ego is why no one will be spending a penny more then the Pacers offered him.

His ego is definitely his biggest flaw. I understand wanting to get paid, but come on you were making $800K last year, and now you're being offered $8 million++ a year and you turn it down? :biggums: Didn't think he'd do Bird like this

[hawksdogsbraves]

His ego is definitely his biggest flaw. I understand wanting to get paid, but come on you were making $800K last year, and now you're being offered $8 million++ a year and you turn it down? :biggums: Didn't think he'd do Bird like this

You thought Lance gives one **** about Bird or anybody else in Indy?

[ihatetimthomas]

His ego is definitely his biggest flaw. I understand wanting to get paid, but come on you were making $800K last year, and now you're being offered $8 million++ a year and you turn it down? :biggums: Didn't think he'd do Bird like this

What does making 800k have to do with anything? All that matters is what his value is in the open market. And honestly, considering what some other guys are making, he can make more

[Rameek]

Lance go get your 10 plus mill. He was arguably the Pacers best and most consistent player.

No hometown discounts.

[pejavelin]

Lance a great LEADER????

The single biggest locker room cancer in the NBA right now???

:roll:
Cousins and Howard beg to differ

[Milbuck]

He should be the Bulls' plan B after Melo :confusedshrug:

[royalbluecosby]

MKG played 26 minutes.

He scored most of those on Anthony Tolliver (22 mins) and Zeller (19 minutes).

Lebron played the PF that game with Wade out.

you obviously didn't watch that game because MKG guarded Lebron the majority of the 1st half and 3rd quarter. Lebron went off on MKG in the 3rd. MKG is a good defender but he can't stop Lebron. the only players that defend well against dude is Leonard and Butler.

[Im so nba'd out]

Lance a great LEADER????

The single biggest locker room cancer in the NBA right now???

:roll:
Cousins retired?

[HurricaneKid]

They can match when a higher offer comes?

No. He is an UNRESTRICTED Free Agent. A RFA (Restricted Free Agent) contract can be matched.

Houston had the chance to keep Parsons for one more year at like 800k and then he would be a UFA or let him become a RFA this year. They chose to let him be a RFA this year (which made him very happy as his income is going to be ~12M rather than 800k. Indy had the same choice with Lance last year and decided to keep him on at league min instead.

So why should he give them a huge discount?

I mean this contract offer is worse than what Avery Bradley got. AFTER they made him play the extra year at league min.

[HurricaneKid]

His ego is definitely his biggest flaw. I understand wanting to get paid, but come on you were making $800K last year, and now you're being offered $8 million++ a year and you turn it down? :biggums: Didn't think he'd do Bird like this

NO. Indy could have taken care of him last year and didn't. They could have done what Hou did with Parsons but they made him play it out. THEN they asked him to take a monstrous discount.

[lilgodfather1]

I think Lance will end up in Atlanta. It seems like they could be a serious contender if that is the case. It just makes too much sense not to happen imo.

[MUGEN]

in all honesty I think he is right. He is definitely worth more than that

[gts]

it's called negotiating

[Rameek]

He should leave Indy all together. Go somewhere that appreciates him.

[AnaheimLakers24]

lol indy thinking they can keep him for cheap. dude doesnt even want to play there. come to la

[BlackVVaves]

He'll get near max money. The market is already ****ed with celtics giving Bradley 8 mil/year smh :facepalm

To me, this is why he is shunning the Pacers' deal.

[BlackVVaves]

Pacers just signed CJ Miles for $18 million. Lance is gone, Pacers are ****ed. And whoever gives Lance $12 million a year is ****ed.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm not a big Lance fan but if Hayward is getting 15 ****ing million then he deserves more than 9.

[DMV2]

LOL @ people calling Lance a lockerroom cancer. What has he done to deserved that label? All of his antics have been on the court, much of it is from his competitive spirit.

Dude got more heart and street hunger than the entire Pacers rosters combined. Indy don't really deserve him.

[Jailblazers7]

Hibbert was the locker room cancer, not Lance. Hibbert is an underperforming, self-centered asshole who is the first to run to the media and break the trust of the team.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Pacers just signed CJ Miles for $18 million. Lance is gone, Pacers are ****ed. And whoever gives Lance $12 million a year is ****ed.
better than anyone on the shitty cavs

[DMV2]

^ Who's to say it was all Lance's fault? All of that is behind close doors. None of that is as damaging as Hibbert throwing his teammates under the bus in from of a live camera.

I remember in the Heat series, Game 5, where Lance was the ONLY Pacer who showed up, yet the entire ESPN crew called him a distraction and shit.

The media is just out to get him, simple as that.

[Legends66NBA7]

He led their team in rebounding, and is only 23. He may be the most well rounded player in the league other than Lebron. Shooting, passing, rebounding, defense. There is nothing he's not good at.

There is something he's not good at: being consistent in his overall production.

His efficiency and consistency on offense and defense will go down if he becomes a #1 option and chases the money. The upside is there, but I don't know if the maturity is.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Lance doesn't like living in Indiana.

[hawksdogsbraves]

^ Who's to say it was all Lance's fault? All of that is behind close doors. None of that is as damaging as Hibbert throwing his teammates under the bus in from of a live camera.

I remember in the Heat series, Game 5, where Lance was the ONLY Pacer who showed up, yet the entire ESPN crew called him a distraction and shit.

The media is just out to get him, simple as that.

You think the media has a grudge against him and all the shit he got into was instigated by the other guy every single time? They called him a distraction because he was fighting bench players in shoot-arounds, blowing in LeBron's ears, talking shit to LeBron, and generally being the lunatic dickhead that he always is. What else are the announcers gonna say?

There's obviously no way your mind is going to be changed, you're as crazy as Lance is :oldlol:

[Im so nba'd out]

mfs just aint loyal now a days smfh

[bdreason]

Anyone who gives Stephenson more than a 2y deal will regret it. Pacers will be fortunate if he walks.

[EwingMan]

LOL @ people calling Lance a lockerroom cancer. What has he done to deserved that label? All of his antics have been on the court, much of it is from his competitive spirit.

Dude got more heart and street hunger than the entire Pacers rosters combined. Indy don't really deserve him.

forgot he pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs, on the court.

competitive spirit, heart, street hunger, alpha, etc really a stat stuffer of intangible, insipid sports cliches.

[Draz]

He deserves it. I don't see any problem with it?

[hawksdogsbraves]

forgot he pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs, on the court.

competitive spirit, heart, street hunger, alpha, etc really a stat stuffer of intangible, insipid sports cliches.

:bowdown:

[PP34Deuce]

He is only 23 years old and has potential to be a legit all NBA 2 way player.

At times, I felt he was more dangerous than Paul George. The pacers need to build around George and Stephenson. Hibbert has shown time and time again he is not worth his contract nor will he improve anymore.

The only concern I see is both wing players fighting for the glory. I believe if they figure it out, they are an amazing Duo that can lock you up and playmake

[gyu]

Kemba
Lance
MKG
? (McBob?)
Big Al

ECF champs

Love to see Bron score on a Lance/MKG combo. They'd hound him all night.
Like how a Lance and Paul George combo hounded him all playoffs right?

[buddha]

Just because Hibbert and George are overpaid doesnt mean Lance should be too.

actually it does...

[macpierce]

lance is young, but he was the only player on the pacers that wasnt afraid of the moment. Personality issues but at least they're on the court and not off the court.

[hawksdogsbraves]

lance is young, but he was the only player on the pacers that wasnt afraid of the moment. Personality issues but at least they're on the court and not off the court.

They are 'off the court' too though...

Also Paul George played WAY better against the Heat than Lance did.

[stalkerforlife]

That's a great deal for Lance, skill wise. Market wise, he may be right. However, I wouldn't pay him anymore than that. He does some nice things on the court, but not nice enough to blow your load considering his issue with insanity.

[yeaaaman]

There is something he's not good at: being consistent in his overall production.

His efficiency and consistency on offense and defense will go down if he becomes a #1 option and chases the money. The upside is there, but I don't know if the maturity is.

His game would be helped if he had a reliable inside presence, such as Al Jefferson to open up his game for him. Roy Hibbert didn't do him any favours last year. That's probably also why you saw George's dip in production.

At 23 I see it as a fair risk for teams. Same with George, you can't be mad if they haven't peaked yet or aren't as consistent as we'd like them to be. Still room to grow.

[dubeta]

Who else thinks the Pacers are gonna be a team full of bad contracts in 2 years ala 2007 Knicks? :lol

[hawksdogsbraves]

Who else thinks the Pacers are gonna be a team full of bad contracts in 2 years ala 2007 Knicks? :lol

In two years Hibbert and West will be gone, it'll just be George, Hill, and whoever they sign between now and then.

They're in pretty good shape actually going forward, just a little tight right now because Hibbert fell off a cliff.

George Hill is kind of overpaid though.

[UK2K]

In two years Hibbert and West will be gone, it'll just be George, Hill, and whoever they sign between now and then.

They're in pretty good shape actually going forward, just a little tight right now because Hibbert fell off a cliff.

George Hill is kind of overpaid though.

They have zero wiggle room under the cap.

[Dro]

I think I read Charlotte has 20m in cap space.

Lance goes there, they have a legit ****ing team.
The only thing about Charlotte is they would have no floor spacing.....they would have a team full of bad-average shooters from the starters and the bench.

[AirTupac]

Lakers say yes

[GimmeThat]

Spurs gets players in late round picks that fits their team perfectly while the whole league know so and watches it happens

Bird establishing the market value of a player and opinion is still respected by the league.



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