Is Aaron Gordon the Next David Lee/Blake Griffin?

[BallsOut]

Magic infatuated with Gordons this summer :biggums:

[hawksdogsbraves]

David Lee? :biggums:

[AirTupac]

Magic somehow ****ed up in the draft with all those easy opportunities :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

Comparing BG to David Lee?

Comparing BG to Aaron Gordon?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Do y'all even watch games?

[noob cake]

You know Aaron Gordon has no offensive game whatsoever right?

He is basically Wiggins with less skill and less hype.

[Meticode]

Not making assumptions until after I see the kid play. Too many pre-ejaculators commenting on things like this.

[Milbuck]

AG is actually a good defender, unlike the other guys mentioned - Griffin is improving but still isn't great, and Lee just sucks on that end. Don't think Gordon will be a defensive anchor or shot blocker like a typical PF/C, but he could be a versatile Shawn Marion type defender, which is something neither Blake nor Lee (:oldlol: ) could hope of being. Offensively though he's nowhere near those two. I don't think he'll ever be more than an elite hustle player with a decent jumper. Luckily for him with his athleticism, in his prime he could probably average 20-22ppg just on dunks, offensive rebounds, transition, occasional jumpers.

[stalkerforlife]

If he turns out as good as either Lee or Griffin, Orlando will be ecstatic.

[coin24]

Magic somehow ****ed up in the draft with all those easy opportunities :oldlol:

They started with #4, #12, afflalo now look at them:lol :lol

[noob cake]

AG is actually a good defender, unlike the other guys mentioned - Griffin is improving but still isn't great, and Lee just sucks on that end. Don't think Gordon will be a defensive anchor or shot blocker like a typical PF/C, but he could be a versatile Shawn Marion type defender, which is something neither Blake nor Lee (:oldlol: ) could hope of being. Offensively though he's nowhere near those two. I don't think he'll ever be more than an elite hustle player with a decent jumper. Luckily with his athleticism, in his prime he could probably average 20-22ppg just on dunks, offensive rebounds, transition, occasional jumpers.

GTFO with this athleticism can you 20 points a game argument. It's utter bullcrap and will be the reason that Wiggins, Gordon are gonna became some of the biggest busts ever.

Where is DJ Stephens bro? 46" max vert, 40" standing vert, 2.98 sprint, 7'0" wingspan on 6'4" frame.

[Milbuck]

GTFO with this athleticism can you 20 points a game argument. It's utter bullcrap and will be the reason that Wiggins, Gordon are gonna became some of the biggest busts ever.

Where is DJ Stephens bro? 46" max vert, 40" standing vert, 2.98 sprint, 7'0" wingspan on 6'4" frame.
What an awful comparison. When has Stephens been elite at any level? Dude played 4 years in college and put up 4ppg.

It's not just his athleticism, it's his style to go with his athleticism. Gordon has a nose for the ball and is an elite offensive rebounder, he runs the floor and consistently beats his man to get in position, and overall he just busts his ass on both ends of the floor. He isn't Hakeem in terms of his scoring skill set, but he's a high IQ player in making decisions with box outs, cuts, off-ball movement, etc. The dude is the quintessential high-energy player with a good understanding of the game...to go along with his 40 inch vert and speed/quickness.

I hope you realize how retarded you sound in definitively calling Wiggins and Gordon huge busts before they've played a single second in the NBA.

[outbreak]

I don't see how Gordon can be a bust with his current game. He should have a solid career purely on his defence, rebounds and putbacks in a worst case scenario. Not scoring more than say 10 points a game but still a decent career. His best case scenario is the matrix 2.0 if he can learn to shoot. His numbers for the last couple of months of the college season were very similar to Marions if I recall correctly. The reason Gordon went so high is likely purely based on his later season performance. I don't think he be any more than a solid starter though unless he can learn to at least shoot at a passable level. I also think you need the right line up to get the most out of him considering he is best defending the 3 with his perimeter d but his offence right now is far better in the paint and slashing

[moe94]

Comparing BG to David Lee?

Comparing BG to Aaron Gordon?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Do y'all even watch games?

Blake been getting compared to him because they're pasty black ginger dudes who are supremely athletic. That's where the comparisons end, though.

[moe94]

What an awful comparison. When has Stephens been elite at any level? Dude played 4 years in college and put up 4ppg.

It's not just his athleticism, it's his style to go with his athleticism. Gordon has a nose for the ball and is an elite offensive rebounder, he runs the floor and consistently beats his man to get in position, and overall he just busts his ass on both ends of the floor. He isn't Hakeem in terms of his scoring skill set, but he's a high IQ player in making decisions with box outs, cuts, off-ball movement, etc. The dude is the quintessential high-energy player with a good understanding of the game...to go along with his 40 inch vert and speed/quickness.

I hope you realize how retarded you sound in definitively calling Wiggins and Gordon huge busts before they've played a single second in the NBA.

My dude, that guy is a straight up hater. Don't waste your time.

[noob cake]

What an awful comparison. When has Stephens been elite at any level? Dude played 4 years in college and put up 4ppg.

It's not just his athleticism, it's his style to go with his athleticism. Gordon has a nose for the ball and is an elite offensive rebounder, he runs the floor and consistently beats his man to get in position, and overall he just busts his ass on both ends of the floor. He isn't Hakeem in terms of his scoring skill set, but he's a high IQ player in making decisions with box outs, cuts, off-ball movement, etc. The dude is the quintessential high-energy player with a good understanding of the game...to go along with his 40 inch vert and speed/quickness.

I hope you realize how retarded you sound in definitively calling Wiggins and Gordon huge busts before they've played a single second in the NBA.

If Gordon was so elite at all those skills, he wouldn't be a 12 PPG scorer on sub 50% shooting playing as a college PF in a weak conference. Athleticism is way over-hyped; if you look back on past draft busts, the majority of them are low skill, high athleticism type prospects.

[noob cake]

I don't see how Gordon can be a bust with his current game. He should have a solid career purely on his defence, rebounds and putbacks in a worst case scenario. Not scoring more than say 10 points a game but still a decent career. His best case scenario is the matrix 2.0 if he can learn to shoot. His numbers for the last couple of months of the college season were very similar to Marions if I recall correctly. The reason Gordon went so high is likely purely based on his later season performance. I don't think he be any more than a solid starter though unless he can learn to at least shoot at a passable level. I also think you need the right line up to get the most out of him considering he is best defending the 3 with his perimeter d but his offence right now is far better in the paint and slashing

Good to know that you are content drafting a sub 10 ppg defensive specialist with a #4 pick.

[Milbuck]

My dude, that guy is a straight up hater. Don't waste your time.
Noted. The whole "Rockets fan" gimmick hinted at it, got it now.

[outbreak]

Good to know that you are content drafting a sub 10 ppg defensive specialist with a #4 pick.
well I wouldn't say it's the best option but you can't really say it's a bust if that is the worst case scenario (realisticly I imagine somewhere in between with him putting up around 16pts). A bust is a guy who can't contribute, anytime you get a career starter out of a pick that isn't top 3 it's not really a bust. Disappointing maybe but not a bust. No one behind him is guaranteed to be any better and has just as many question marks. Teaching shooting is a lot easier than teaching athleticism, IQ and defence for a young guy.

[Sportal]

Can I ask you people bagging on Aaron Gordon to please fetch me Blake Griffins first year at Oklahoma?

Thanks.

[Raymone]

Blake been getting compared to them because they're pasty black ginger dudes who are supremely athletic. That's where the comparisons end, though.

Lee is 150% white.

[navy]

Can I ask you people bagging on Aaron Gordon to please fetch me Blake Griffins first year at Oklahoma?

Thanks.
15/9 on 57% shooting plus elite athleticism....

Im sure Orlando thinks they got a Blake. I personally dont think they did.

[outbreak]

15/9 on 57% shooting plus elite athleticism....

Im sure Orlando thinks they got a Blake. I personally dont think they did.
People comparing him to blake have only seen his highlight dunks....

[bdreason]

More like a Shawn Marion.

[RoTM]

Gordon compares to Kidd-Gilchrist. Of course we know MKG is an elite defender now and AG is just projected as one.

[navy]

People comparing him to blake have only seen his highlight dunks....
No, Ive watched him play. He has a worse offensive game than Blake but with a little more athleticism. The talk is that his defense is going to be good, but honestly he doesnt have any real nba defensive attributes. Not tall/long enough to shot block or defend the center/powerfoward position. Not exactly what I would call an nba perimeter defender if you think he can move to small foward.Honestly is there a good sf/pf tweener defender in the nba?

[navy]

More like a Shawn Marion.
Shawn Marion was a 3 and d player with flare. Not comparable.

[RoTM]

Shawn Marion was a 3 and d player with flare. Not comparable.

Hes only not comparable with Marion's freak wingspan. Regardless dudes smaller than Gordon's size like Gerald Wallace and Battier defended 4s all the time.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If he becomes Shawn Marion then that would be a home run for Orlando.

[navy]

Hes only not comparable with Marion's freak wingspan. Regardless dudes smaller than Gordon's size like Gerald Wallace and Battier defended 4s all the time.
Small 4s yeah. But honestly the small fours these days are becoming more and more elite.

[fpliii]

What's with the recent trend of underrating potential/athleticism/physical talent on ISH?

[GimmeThat]

David Lee is a really good comparison.

If Gordon can work on his put backs after grabbing a rebound, not even nessecarily a power put back / lay up, but just a really really fast release after grabbing an offensive rebound, it could do his game wonders.

I don't think he's gonna have size/or get stronger over Lee. Seeing Lee is listed at 240, and Gordon measured in at 220.



If anything, I think the Magic is still concerned and should be concerned about whether or not Gordon can improve his piss poor free throw shooting the way Lee did.

[navy]

What's with the recent trend of underrating potential/athleticism/physical talent on ISH?
The NBA is an in the now league these days. Team and fans arent looking for potential. We want talent, skill, wins.

Werent you the one doing the same for Randle? Im sure you get the feeling.

[RoTM]

David Lee is a really good comparison.

If Gordon can work on his put backs after grabbing a rebound, not even nessecarily a power put back / lay up, but just a really really fast release after grabbing an offensive rebound, it could do his game wonders.

I don't think he's gonna have size/or get stronger over Lee. Seeing Lee is listed at 240, and Gordon measured in at 220.



If anything, I think the Magic is still concerned and should be concerned about whether or not Gordon can improve his piss poor free throw shooting the way Lee did.

Gordon isn't a skinny 220 hes just extremely lean. 240 might even be healthier for him.

[fpliii]

The NBA is an in the now league these days. Team and fans arent looking for potential. We want talent, skill, wins.

Werent you the one doing the same for Randle? Im sure you get the feeling.
I was just super low on him at first, then super high a little later. :oldlol: I think I'm at a happy medium now.

Don't see the point of a few more wins now, this is still a superstar league (though you're probably not going to win many championships if you resort to iso-ball early and often). You gotta swing for the fences IMO.

[navy]

I was just super low on him at first, then super high a little later. :oldlol: I think I'm at a happy medium now.

Don't see the point of a few more wins now, this is still a superstar league (though you're probably not going to win many championships if you resort to iso-ball early and often). You gotta swing for the fences IMO.

I think Laker fans are too high on him to be honest. Younger players rarely do well right outside the gate. Wont be until about 5-7 years that he develops into a championship caliber player in my opinion. Kobe fans are going to be pissed.

A few wins? Nah. I was talking massive jumps.

[Smook A.]

In what way is Aaron Gordon like David Lee or Blake Griffin? :lol

The only similarity between Gordon and Griffin is that both of them are superior athletes. I don't really see any resemblance between him and David Lee though. Like Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose said, Aaron Gordon is wayyy more like Shawn Marion and Kawhi Leonard. They're all guys who aren't great shooters but can score by driving to the rim and finishing with their athletic ability. Also, they are all "in your face" type of defenders. That's why I, and many other people, compare AG to Marion/Leonard.

[turnaroundJ]

I see a more athletic Lamar without the ball handling or shooting on O and on the glass, and AK47 on D.

You guys forget he likes to pass the ball and is a great team player.

[RoTM]

In what way is Aaron Gordon like David Lee or Blake Griffin? :lol

The only similarity between Gordon and Griffin is that both of them are superior athletes. I don't really see any resemblance between him and David Lee though. Like Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose said, Aaron Gordon is wayyy more like Shawn Marion and Kawhi Leonard. They're all guys who aren't great shooters but can score by driving to the rim and finishing with their athletic ability. Also, they are all "in your face" type of defenders. That's why I, and many other people, compare AG to Marion/Leonard.

Gordon wasn't even an elite finisher in college. Hes going to test how little O you can get away with in the pros. The Magic can wait though they are going to race Philly for the lottery.

[Sportal]

15/9 on 57% shooting plus elite athleticism....

Im sure Orlando thinks they got a Blake. I personally dont think they did.

Sooo, ok.. Well. Before I do this, do not assume I believe that Aaron Gordon = Blake Griffin. All I'm suggesting is, people are massively critisising Orlando's decision (I was surprised on Draft night), and getting a little bit carried away.

With the comparing AG to BG, people are forgetting that Blake Griffin played TWO years in college. Also, compare Arizona to Oklahoma and the players' roles on their teams...

Blake Griffin on the Sooners took 223 MORE shots than Aaron Gordon in their first seasons. My question is, on the Sooners, who else did they have after Blake? Who else did Arizona have after Gordon?

I would have liked to have seen what AG did in a second season at Arizona, but why bother when you can get paid now.

I believe he'll probably average 14 & 7 this season, I think his 2nd season will be a bigger show of what kind of professional player he could be. Dude is only 18...

[GimmeThat]

In what way is Aaron Gordon like David Lee or Blake Griffin? :lol

The only similarity between Gordon and Griffin is that both of them are superior athletes. I don't really see any resemblance between him and David Lee though. Like Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose said, Aaron Gordon is wayyy more like Shawn Marion and Kawhi Leonard. They're all guys who aren't great shooters but can score by driving to the rim and finishing with their athletic ability. Also, they are all "in your face" type of defenders. That's why I, and many other people, compare AG to Marion/Leonard.


Aaron Gordon is actually more like Rondo than people are willing to admit.

[RoTM]

Sooo, ok.. Well. Before I do this, do not assume I believe that Aaron Gordon = Blake Griffin. All I'm suggesting is, people are massively critisising Orlando's decision (I was surprised on Draft night), and getting a little bit carried away.

With the comparing AG to BG, people are forgetting that Blake Griffin played TWO years in college. Also, compare Arizona to Oklahoma and the players' roles on their teams...

Blake Griffin on the Sooners took 223 MORE shots than Aaron Gordon in their first seasons. My question is, on the Sooners, who else did they have after Blake? Who else did Arizona have after Gordon?

I would have liked to have seen what AG did in a second season at Arizona, but why bother when you can get paid now.

I believe he'll probably average 14 & 7 this season, I think his 2nd season will be a bigger show of what kind of professional player he could be. Dude is only 18...

Hes going to be the 5th or 6th option, possibly even coming off the bench, as a rookie with no go to offensive moves. 14 pts for him would be almost impossible.

[navy]

Those were Blake's rookie stats.

My problem with Gordan is I dont see much of an offensive game nor the right body type to be elite at anything other than guarding SF and some PFs. Too much of a tweener.

At least other players his type can shoot an open three.

[BoutPractice]

Comparing Aaron Gordon to David Lee is like comparing Scottie Pippen to James Harden.

Lee is notorious for his awful defense while Gordon has the potential to become an all-defensive first teamer down the line.

[ZHAKIDD532]

I think Aaron Gordon is along the lines of a Andrei Kirilenko or Kawhi Leonard type player.

[GatorKid117]

Gordon shot 35% from 3 last year so lets not pretend he has no shot whatsoever. While the volume of attempts was pretty small it still shows that he at least has a solid base to work from.

Also, this article goes a little in-depth into his free throw shooting mechanics and how he has changed it. Seems more promising to me but we shall see if it yields results in actual game time. I just think we should all wait and see before declaring him a bust right out of the gate.

Just fyi, David Lee couldn't shoot coming out of college either.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/5/30/5761998/aaron-gordon-revised-free-throw-form-lead-to-greater-success-NBA-draft-scouting-arizona-bust-steal

[hawksdogsbraves]

David Lee is a really good comparison.

If Gordon can work on his put backs after grabbing a rebound, not even nessecarily a power put back / lay up, but just a really really fast release after grabbing an offensive rebound, it could do his game wonders.

I don't think he's gonna have size/or get stronger over Lee. Seeing Lee is listed at 240, and Gordon measured in at 220.



If anything, I think the Magic is still concerned and should be concerned about whether or not Gordon can improve his piss poor free throw shooting the way Lee did.

He's not like David Lee AT ALL.

In fact, maybe the only PF he's less like is Bargnani :oldlol:

David Lee is awful at defense, Gordon is good at defense.

David Lee is a prototypical 4, Gordon is a tweener.

David Lee has a decent jumper, Gordon has none.

David Lee is a good FT shooter, Gordon shoots 40%.

David Lee relies on finesse to get his shots off around the basket, Gordon is a freak athlete.

Literally one of the worst comparisons I've EVER seen on ISH, congrats :cheers:

[GimmeThat]

He's not like David Lee AT ALL.

In fact, maybe the only PF he's less like is Bargnani :oldlol:

David Lee is awful at defense, Gordon is good at defense.

David Lee is a prototypical 4, Gordon is a tweener.

David Lee has a decent jumper, Gordon has none.

David Lee is a good FT shooter, Gordon shoots 40%.

David Lee relies on finesse to get his shots off around the basket, Gordon is a freak athlete.

Literally one of the worst comparisons I've EVER seen on ISH, congrats :cheers:



just wait till Gordon goes anti-social, and the only shot attempt he ever gets are off his own rebounds or when coaches instruct players to pass him the ball.

[Jameerthefear]

Are people on ISH retarded? If Gordon is Blake Griffin with Shawn Marion defense that's a top 3 player in the league RIGHT NOW. He doesn't really play like either one of them.

[Clyde]

Are people on ISH retarded? If Gordon is Blake Griffin with Shawn Marion defense that's a top 3 player in the league RIGHT NOW. He doesn't really play like either one of them.

And you would know how?

[Jameerthefear]

And you would know how?
because i've seen him play at arizona and i watch griffin and lee in the nba? how the **** do you think i would know?