Pau Gasol willing to take massive pay cut if Lakers sign Carmelo

[kennethgriffin]

Pau Gasol Plans To Re-Sign With Lakers If They Acquire Carmelo Anthony
Jul 03, 2014 1:55 AM EDT

The Los Angeles Lakers will make their pitch to Carmelo Anthony on Thursday and have visions of pairing him with Pau Gasol.

If Anthony chooses to sign with the Lakers, Pau Gasol will give strong consideration to re-signing.

"If the Lakers get Carmelo, Pau will stay," said a person familiar with Gasol's thinking.

The Lakers will make their pitch differently than the Chicago Bulls and Houston Rockets. The Lakers' meeting will include Jim Buss, Jeanie Buss and Mitch Kupchak, as well as Lakers business/marketing expert Tim Harris.

It is unclear whether Kobe Bryant will attend the meeting.
Via Mike Bresnahan/Los Angeles Times


would this actually trick carmelo into coming to LA?

obviously the lakers would give carmelo 20 mill.. then whatevers left over to pau

[Nash]

imagine if Kobe took something like 13m instead.

[IncarceratedBob]

imagine if Kobe took something like 13m instead.
Imagine if LeBron were 5/7 in the Finals

[Force]

It's unfortunate for Laker fans that upper management offered Kobe all that money when they didn't need to. They could have waited and then signed the extension later. Nothing in the rules forced them to offer it to him when they did.

[kennethgriffin]

imagine if Kobe took something like 13m instead.
kobe isnt a ring chasing pay cut taking beta bonder though

#payme

#ieatfirst

[AnaheimLakers24]

championship inbound

[Brokenbeat]

It's unfortunate for Laker fans that upper management offered Kobe all that money when they didn't need to. They could have waited and then signed the extension later. Nothing in the rules forced them to offer it to him when they did.

Crazy, right? I still can't believe there are people trying to justify it.

[riseagainst]

Imagine if LeBron were 5/7 in the Finals

:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Crazy, right? I still can't believe there are people trying to justify it.

kobe explained it best

he said "the lakers want a reputation as being known for taking care of the players that brought them titles and success. they wanna be respectable by free agents and trusted that they wont lose faith in you the minute you're in a tough situation"

if the lakers basically told kobe they were gonna do a take it or leave it 10 mill contract or gtfo deal... then kobe would have left. no players would wanna go there

kobes still getting paid for what he did earlier on in his career when he couldnt make max dollars. people forget that

and the lakers know about branding. marketing. and that kobe is mainly responsible for their multi billion dollar tv deal and proffiting hundreds of millions annually off just ticket sales and jersey sales ( even after expenses are taken into account )

theres a reason why none of the people blasting kobes deal are in charge of a billion dollar franchise and are just fans on internet message boards

its because you're "what have you done for me lately" idiots that dont have a clue about how the world works

[Artillery]

Imagine if LeBron were 5/7 in the Finals

Imagine if Kobe wasn't a sidekick for the majority of his championships.

[Artillery]

kobe explained it best

he said "the lakers want a reputation as being known for taking care of the players that brought them titles and success. they wanna be respectable by free agents and trusted that they wont lose faith in you the minute you're in a tough situation"

if the lakers basically told kobe they were gonna do a take it or leave it 10 mill contract or gtfo deal... then kobe would have left. no players would wanna go there

kobes still getting paid for what he did earlier on in his career when he couldnt make max dollars. people forget that

and the lakers know about branding. marketing. and that kobe is mainly responsible for their multi billion dollar tv deal and proffiting hundreds of millions annually off just ticket sales and jersey sales ( even after expenses are taken into account )

theres a reason why none of the people blasting kobes deal are in charge of a billion dollar franchise and are just fans on internet message boards

its because you're "what have you done for me lately" idiots that dont have a clue about how the world works

The Soviet's had a term for communist sympathizers in the West. They called them useful idiots. You're the Kobe version of that term. Kobe thinks Laker fans are truly stupid - it's a slap in the face. He's trying to claim his contract doesn't limit LA and basically using the average fan's lack of knowledge to win them over. Kobe knows his contract is horrible. He knows he's overpaid. He knows Klinsman burned him. He put some spin on Klinsman's comments knowing his rabid fanbase will buy into his bullshit. Kobe's always been one of the greatest media manipulators in sports history though. This is GOAT level brainwashing going on here. But still, the facts remain:

-Kobe hasn't been in a playoff game in two years
-Lakers will be in the lottery for the rest of the Kobe era
-Kobe averaged 13 ppg on horrible percentages last season while being the highest paid player in the league
-Kobe complained about the front office putting together a weak roster while ignoring his own albatross of a contract

Pretty much confirms Kobe's contract is one of the worst in NBA history.

[Nash]

kobe isnt a ring chasing pay cut taking beta bonder though

#payme

#ieatfirst
still doesn't deserve those kinds of money at age 35/36 after massive injury.

And I am just talking of the Lakers perspective, not Kobe. Good on Kobe for getting all that money and I know he makes them tons of money, but still not good for the Lakers.

Pretty sure Melo would have signed for Lakers if they had more cap space.

[MVBallin2K]

The Soviet's had a term for communist sympathizers in the West. They called them useful idiots. You're the Kobe version of that term. Kobe thinks Laker fans are truly stupid - it's a slap in the face. He's trying to claim his contract doesn't limit LA and basically using the average fan's lack of knowledge to win them over. Kobe knows his contract is horrible. He knows he's overpaid. He knows Klinsman burned him. He put some spin on Klinsman's comments knowing his rabid fanbase will buy into his bullshit. Kobe's always been one of the greatest media manipulators in sports history though. This is GOAT level brainwashing going on here. But still, the facts remain:

-Kobe hasn't been in a playoff game in two years
-Lakers will be in the lottery for the rest of the Kobe era
-Kobe averaged 13 ppg on horrible percentages last season while being the highest paid player in the league
-Kobe complained about the front office putting together a weak roster while ignoring his own albatross of a contract

Pretty much confirms Kobe's contract is one of the worst in NBA history.

Dang yo, Kobe got you typing out that long book about his contract though and you aren't even a Kobe fan?:oldlol:

All I've ever seen is you post as a Kobe hater...why don't you go outside and smell some fresh air? We're comparing Kobe fans to communist sympathizers now. I won't even call you a fan of any team because well, I'm pretty sure no one would want you on their fanbase when you talk about Kobe more than you do any other team.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Marshall
Kobe
Melo
Randle
Gasol

Good offensively, but they won't be good enough defensively to contend

[IllegalD]

Imagine if Kobe wasn't a sidekick for the majority of his championships.

Imagine if LeBron was a top 3 player in the Post-Jordan era.

[lakerfreak]

kobe explained it best

he said "the lakers want a reputation as being known for taking care of the players that brought them titles and success. they wanna be respectable by free agents and trusted that they wont lose faith in you the minute you're in a tough situation"

if the lakers basically told kobe they were gonna do a take it or leave it 10 mill contract or gtfo deal... then kobe would have left. no players would wanna go there

kobes still getting paid for what he did earlier on in his career when he couldnt make max dollars. people forget that

and the lakers know about branding. marketing. and that kobe is mainly responsible for their multi billion dollar tv deal and proffiting hundreds of millions annually off just ticket sales and jersey sales ( even after expenses are taken into account )

theres a reason why none of the people blasting kobes deal are in charge of a billion dollar franchise and are just fans on internet message boards

its because you're "what have you done for me lately" idiots that dont have a clue about how the world works

Fair points. With the NBA being a business, and the lakers organization being the biggest business in this league, at what point do cross the line between loyalty to someone like Kobe, who's been on the lakers forever, and putting a quality product on the floor for fans who pay excess amounts in cash to watch the lakers win?

[kennethgriffin]

The Soviet's had a term for communist sympathizers in the West. They called them useful idiots. You're the Kobe version of that term. Kobe thinks Laker fans are truly stupid - it's a slap in the face. He's trying to claim his contract doesn't limit LA and basically using the average fan's lack of knowledge to win them over. Kobe knows his contract is horrible. He knows he's overpaid. He knows Klinsman burned him. He put some spin on Klinsman's comments knowing his rabid fanbase will buy into his bullshit. Kobe's always been one of the greatest media manipulators in sports history though. This is GOAT level brainwashing going on here. But still, the facts remain:

-Kobe hasn't been in a playoff game in two years
-Lakers will be in the lottery for the rest of the Kobe era
-Kobe averaged 13 ppg on horrible percentages last season while being the highest paid player in the league
-Kobe complained about the front office putting together a weak roster while ignoring his own albatross of a contract

Pretty much confirms Kobe's contract is one of the worst in NBA history.

see the thing is.. everyone in the nba could take a pay cut and help their team

but thats not the way the world works. its supply and demand

if a team is willing to pay the price. then that is automatically what that specific player is worth to that team. and theres no reason for anyone to turn them down for less money

the only reason would be to

a) collude

b) bring in ring chasers

c) cheat the system


kobe is none of these things. he believes in getting paid what hes worth

and guys like lebron, durant, kobe are worth twice what theyre currently getting paid. in some cases 3 times more

on just kobes name he's worth 50 million

on production we're talking another 15-20 mill depending on what he can still do


if a guy with no branding, no name, no star power who averages 16ppg on 40% like gordon hayward is worth a max deal

then guess what?

we can't judge kobe based on ring chasing cheaters or beta bonders like lebron, wade, bosh or even tim duncan

guys who take less money are basically PAYING OTHER PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH THEM


kobe is better than that. kobes never won a title taking less money than he could have made

all 5 titles = max dollars allowable

thats respect.

[Nash]

Imagine if LeBron was a top 3 player in the Post-Jordan era.
he is.

[Artillery]

Imagine if LeBron was a top 3 player in the Post-Jordan era.

Top 5 players in the post-Jordan era:

Lebron
Duncan
Shaq
Garnett
Dirk

Kobe comes in at #6. All-time, he falls in the 12-15 range.

[D-Rose]

This has turned into an intriguing sub-plot.

Will be interesting to see when Melo decides...report is that Knick are pushing to get a commitment tonight....more people think he will take the weekend.

[kennethgriffin]

he is.

umm..

kobe, duncan and shaq are all from the post jordan era you know ( all hit primes since his retirement )

and 2 for 5 aint beating none of those guys.

[TheReal Kendall]

Marshall
Kobe
Melo
Randle
Gasol

Good offensively, but they won't be good enough defensively to contend

They won't make the playoffs with that lineup. Far Kobe and Melo it's championship or bust. That said Melo needs to go to the Bulls.

[kennethgriffin]

Top 5 players in the post-Jordan era:

Lebron
Duncan
Shaq
Garnett
Dirk

Kobe comes in at #6. All-time, he falls in the 12-15 range.

:roll:

Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)

TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s)

Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)

Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)

Ranked #10 in SLAM Magazine's 2011 revision of the top 500 greatest players of all time (published in the February 2011 issue)

[IllegalD]

Top 5 players in the post-Jordan era:

Lebron
Duncan
Shaq
Garnett
Dirk

Kobe comes in at #6. All-time, he falls in the 12-15 range.

2/5 :roll:

Kobe, Duncan, Shaq >>>>> LeFraud

[kennethgriffin]

They won't make the playoffs with that lineup. Far Kobe and Melo it's championship or bust. That said Melo needs to go to the Bulls.


whos to say melo and gasol will be the last players they sign

maybe getting melo will attract ring chasers and minimum contract older vets that still contribute allot

[Nash]

umm..

kobe, duncan and shaq are all from the post jordan era you know ( all hit primes since his retirement )

and 2 for 5 aint beating none of those guys.

Lebron has more accolades than those guys, in way shorter time.

[buddha]

blows my mind that people think someone who has 5 rings would be in the mind-state that he better take a pay cut to get another ring.

only people who don't have a ring take pay cuts past their prime, or during their primes if you are LeBron James.

[Nash]

blows my mind that people think someone who has 5 rings would be in the mind-state that he better take a pay cut to get another ring.

only people who don't have a ring take pay cuts past their prime, or during their primes if you are LeBron James.
blows my mind that you think people care about Kobe. People talk from Lakers perspective, not Kobe.

[Artillery]

see the thing is.. everyone in the nba could take a pay cut and help their team

but thats not the way the world works. its supply and demand

if a team is willing to pay the price. then that is automatically what that specific player is worth to that team. and theres no reason for anyone to turn them down for less money

the only reason would be to

a) collude

b) bring in ring chasers

c) cheat the system


kobe is none of these things. he believes in getting paid what hes worth

Malone/Payton/Artest weren't ring-chasing with the Lakers?


and guys like lebron, durant, kobe are worth twice what theyre currently getting paid. in some cases 3 times more

Lebron and Durant are the two best players in the NBA. Kobe is a 13 ppg scrub posting Tony Wroten numbers last year.


on just kobes name he's worth 50 million

on production we're talking another 15-20 mill depending on what he can still do

That's why they have endorsements.

If Kobe is content with taking max salary, he shouldn't complain about the garbage team the Lakes put together.


if a guy with no branding, no name, no star power who averages 16ppg on 40% like gordon hayward is worth a max deal

At this point, Hayward's a better player than WrotenBe.


we can't judge kobe based on ring chasing cheaters or beta bonders like lebron, wade, bosh or even tim duncan

guys who take less money are basically PAYING OTHER PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH THEM

kobe is better than that. kobes never won a title taking less money than he could have made

all 5 titles = max dollars allowable

thats respect.

Kobe played his entire career with a franchise that was willing to pay lux tax every year to field a competitive team. A location that attracts more free agents than any other city in the US. How the hell is that respectable? And he was a sidekick for the majority of his titles on top of that.

It's even more impressive that Duncan's won five championships playing for a franchise owned by one of the cheapest owners in the NBA. A franchise that never wants to go over the lux tax. Playing for a city that's unable to attract top tier free agents.

[qrich]

No surprise, but have fun working it out.

Oh, also no surprise that OP would defend such an idiotic contract extension, but idiots will be idiots.

[kennethgriffin]

Lebron has more accolades than those guys, in way shorter time.

lol he doesnt have more accolades... just mvps

overall awards, nominations hes not even close

and nash has more mvps than kobe/shaq and same as duncan

[Artillery]

:roll:

Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)

TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s)

Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)

Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)

Ranked #10 in SLAM Magazine's 2011 revision of the top 500 greatest players of all time (published in the February 2011 issue)

[B]"Duncan doesn

[Artillery]

and nash has more mvps than kobe/shaq and same as duncan



Nash owned Kobe, head-to-head, in 2006 and 2007. Kobe quit on his team and choked a 3-1 lead while Nash carried the Amare-less Suns to the Conference Finals. He deserved those MVPs. He actually helped his team win games while Kobe was putting up empty stats on bad teams. And people call Kevin Love a statpadder.

[-Lebron23-]

The Soviet's had a term for communist sympathizers in the West. They called them useful idiots. You're the Kobe version of that term. Kobe thinks Laker fans are truly stupid - it's a slap in the face. He's trying to claim his contract doesn't limit LA and basically using the average fan's lack of knowledge to win them over. Kobe knows his contract is horrible. He knows he's overpaid. He knows Klinsman burned him. He put some spin on Klinsman's comments knowing his rabid fanbase will buy into his bullshit. Kobe's always been one of the greatest media manipulators in sports history though. This is GOAT level brainwashing going on here. But still, the facts remain:

-Kobe hasn't been in a playoff game in two years
-Lakers will be in the lottery for the rest of the Kobe era
-Kobe averaged 13 ppg on horrible percentages last season while being the highest paid player in the league
-Kobe complained about the front office putting together a weak roster while ignoring his own albatross of a contract

Pretty much confirms Kobe's contract is one of the worst in NBA history.
You are trying WAY too hard, buddy :oldlol:

[Nash]

lol he doesnt have more accolades... just mvps

overall awards, nominations hes not even close

and nash has more mvps than kobe/shaq and same as duncan


lol, if you want disqualify an accolade like league MVP then I could easily disqualify a TEAM accomplishment like championships when comparing individuals.

[Artillery]

You are trying WAY too hard, buddy :oldlol:

kennethgriffin is a good example of what I'm talking about. Dude has a room temperature IQ - ideal candidate for Kobe and his brainwashing through media manipulation.

[kennethgriffin]

lol, if you want disqualify an accolade like league MVP then I could easily disqualify a TEAM accomplishment like championships when comparing individuals.

lebron has more mvps. but he doesnt have more accolates, accomplishments, nominations, awards


kobe

Honors
1996 McDonald's All American
1996-97 NBA All-Rookie (2nd)
1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)

Awards
2001-02 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2006-07 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2007-08 NBA MVP
2008-09 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP
2010-11 NBA All-Star Game MVP

All-Star Games
1998 NBA
2000 NBA
2001 NBA
2002 NBA
2003 NBA
2004 NBA
2005 NBA
2006 NBA
2007 NBA
2008 NBA
2009 NBA
2010 NBA
2011 NBA
2012 NBA
2013 NBA
2014 NBA

Championships
(Minimum 1 playoff game)
2000 Los Angeles Lakers (NBA)
2001 Los Angeles Lakers (NBA)
2002 Los Angeles Lakers (NBA)
2009 Los Angeles Lakers (NBA)
2010 Los Angeles Lakers (NBA)

NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1997)

2005-06 NBA scoring champion

2006-07 NBA scoring champion

Olympic Games
Gold 2008 Beijing Men's basketball
Gold 2012 London Men's basketball

FIBA Americas Championship
Gold 2007 Las Vegas Men's basketball

133 games of 40+ points

25 games of 50+ points

6 games of 60+ points

1 game of 80+ points


Most All-Star Game MVP awards won, career: 4 (tied with Bob Pettit)

Most All-Star Game points scored, career: 271[34]

Most All-Star Game field goals made, career: 111

Most offensive rebounds in an All-Star Game: 10

Most All-NBA Total Selections won, career: 16

Most All-NBA First Team honors won, career: 11 (tied with Karl Malone)

Most All-Defensive First Team honors won, career: 9 (tied with Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, and Kevin Garnett)

Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[35]

Most three-point field goal attempts, career-playoffs: 882[36]

Most field goal attempts, career-playoffs: 4,499

Most three-point field goal attempts, career-finals: 153

Most free throws made, four-game playoff series: 51 (second round vs. Sacramento Kings, 2001)[37]

Most points scored in one arena, career: 13,812 (as of March 9, 2012, at Staples Center, Los Angeles)[38][39]

Surpassed Hakeem Olajuwon, the previous holder of the record[39]

Youngest player to score 23,000 points: (30 years, 171 days)[40]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[40]

Youngest player to score 24,000 points: (31 years, 76 days)[41]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[41]

Youngest player to score 25,000 points: (31 years, 151 days)[42]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[42]

Youngest player to score 26,000 points: (32 years, 80 days)[43]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

Youngest player to score 27,000 points: (32 years, 160 days)[44]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

Youngest player to score 28,000 points: (33 years, 131 days)[45][46]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

Youngest player to score 29,000 points: (33 years, 199 days)[47]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

Youngest player to score 30,000 points: (34 years, 104 days)[48]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

Youngest player to score 31,000 points: (34 years, 185 days)[49]

Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record

Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team: (1996–97)[50]

Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999–00)[50]

Youngest player to start a game: (18 years, 158 days)[1]

Youngest player to win the NBA Slam Dunk Championship: (18 years, 169 days)[51]

Youngest player to start an All-Star game: (19 years, 169 days)[50]

Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years.[52]

633 (2008), 695 (2009), 671 (2010)[52]



Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s)

TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s)

Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athlete of the Decade (2000s) #7 (the only NBA player in the top 10)

Ranked #10 in SLAM Magazine's 2011 revision of the top 500 greatest players of all time (published in the February 2011 issue)

Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 list of the top 10 greatest players since the year 2000 (published in the September 2012 issue)

[Artillery]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqOE5wxCAAAuMFY.jpg

Lebron's still young and has already achieved more at age 29 than SidekickBe. Already rapes Kobe when it comes to individual accomplishments. A few more years and he'll have the team accomplishments too.

[choppermagic]

Imagine if Kobe wasn't a sidekick for the majority of his championships.

Dont have to image it. We all witnessed it happen! :rockon:

[Artillery]

Dont have to image it. We all witnessed it happen! :rockon:

We all remember SidekickBe and his tendency to choke in the NBA Finals while Shaq Daddy put up monster stats.

[bluechox2]

lol lakers trying to pair melo and gasol...dumb bitches forgot about kobe

oh and um kobe is gonna take a bakers dozen out of your shot attempts, you may average below 20 and decrease your value

[Hey Yo]

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/484780330692259840


A conversation that Carmelo Anthony had been pursuing in recent days, sources tell Yahoo: With Pau Gasol, about playing together w/ Knicks.

[ILLsmak]

Imagine if LeBron were 5/7 in the Finals

shittttt

-Smak

[kennethgriffin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqOE5wxCAAAuMFY.jpg

Lebron's still young and has already achieved more at age 29 than SidekickBe. Already rapes Kobe when it comes to individual accomplishments. A few more years and he'll have the team accomplishments too.


Again .. no he hasnt. Just because lebrons elbow is sticking out and its pushing his 8 pictures of stuff out farther than kobes 8 pictures of stuff doesnt mean he has accomplished more

Especially when 4 of lebrons pictures of stuff are bigger pixels and less valuable than 5 of kobes pictures of stuff


If you were to scroll up youd see that kobes career resume is leaps and bounds more accomplished than lebrons is

Infact only kareem jordan and russell compare to kobes overall body of work

[Nash]

Again .. no he hasnt. Just because lebrons elbow is sticking out and its pushing his 8 pictures of stuff out farther than kobes 8 pictures of stuff doesnt mean he has accomplished more

Especially when 4 of lebrons pictures of stuff are bigger pixels and less valuable than 5 of kobes pictures of stuff


If you were to scroll up youd see that kobes career resume is leaps and bounds more accomplished than lebrons is

Infact only kareem jordan and russell compare to kobes overall body of work
is this real life? are you measuring accomplishments by pixels instead of just actually counting?

[kennethgriffin]

is this real life? are you measuring accomplishments by pixels instead of just actually counting?

No.. the guy I was quoting is

He posted a picture of lebron with his 8 things leaning forward more than kobes 8 things and tried saying lebrons accomplished more because of it

I said the pixel size of lebrons mvps and his elbow pushing them farther is an optical allusion lmao

Plus 5 rings as an mvp are more impressive than 2 rings as a 4 time mvp. Especially when hes 2 out of 5


Mvps cant be won. Theyre nominations based on opinion


Nobody is voted nba champion by a collection of media



If the media voted for nba champions. Lebron would have 5 or 6 titles by now too

[The Iron Fist]

It's unfortunate for Laker fans that upper management offered Kobe all that money when they didn't need to. They could have waited and then signed the extension later. Nothing in the rules forced them to offer it to him when they did.
It shows they take care of their own, even at the end of their careers.

[The Iron Fist]

he is.
At his position. Maybe.

[KG215]

Keeping Gasol and adding Carmelo to whatever Kobe gives them still puts the Lakers in a dogfight for a playoff spot in the West and it comes nowhere close to making them a contender.

[The Iron Fist]

Lebron has more finals losses than those guys, in way shorter time.
Well, yea.

[Mure]

Infact only kareem jordan and russell compare to kobes overall body of work

Uh, you missed the guy directly above Kobe in the picture, he not only compares but beats Kobe's body of work. :lol :lol

[DMAVS41]

Keeping Gasol and adding Carmelo to whatever Kobe gives them still puts the Lakers in a dogfight for a playoff spot in the West and it comes nowhere close to making them a contender.

Yep.

[STATUTORY]

Keeping Gasol and adding Carmelo to whatever Kobe gives them still puts the Lakers in a dogfight for a playoff spot in the West and it comes nowhere close to making them a contender.
legit retard has shown up

[longtime lurker]

Keeping Gasol and adding Carmelo to whatever Kobe gives them still puts the Lakers in a dogfight for a playoff spot in the West and it comes nowhere close to making them a contender.

Depends on who they fill in the rest of the roster with, but they are at least on the tier of Golden State, Houston and Portland. Don't discount Randle's impact.

[KG215]

Depends on who they fill in the rest of the roster with, but they are at least on the tier of Golden State, Houston and Portland. Don't discount Randle's impact.
That's very debatable. Randle's impact still doesn't keep that from being a VERY bad defensive team (Carmelo is decent when he wants to be, but Kobe, Gasol, and Randle are terrible defenders). Also, in order for the Lakers with Melo to be on Golden State's, Houston's, and Portland's level, Kobe has to return to something similar to what he was in 2012-2013. Kobe's one of the toughest players ever, and seems ageless, but he's had two serious injuries since 2013 and will be 36 years old this season. He was already an embarrassingly bad defender in 2013 so, even if you get something like 22-5-5 from Kobe (if Melo is there Melo will probably score more, like in the 25ish range) on solid efficiency, you'd still need an elite or at least borderline elite defensive presence (namely a rim/paint protector) to cover all of his, Gasol's, and Carmelo's defensive deficiencies.

They could be a damn good defensive team but, unless they're somehow able to land a big time rim protecting defensive anchor, that team would still be AWFUL defensively and on the same level as Phoenix and Dallas. And we don't know what Dallas is going to do in FA. It's very likely they put themselves in the Houston/Portland/Golden State group.

[The-Legend-24]

Imagine if LeBron were 5/7 in the Finals
:roll:

[Meticode]

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[smoovegittar]

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He was bored...

[brownmamba00]

That's very debatable. Randle's impact still doesn't keep that from being a VERY bad defensive team (Carmelo is decent when he wants to be, but Kobe, Gasol, and Randle are terrible defenders). Also, in order for the Lakers with Melo to be on Golden State's, Houston's, and Portland's level, Kobe has to return to something similar to what he was in 2012-2013. Kobe's one of the toughest players ever, and seems ageless, but he's had two serious injuries since 2013 and will be 36 years old this season. He was already an embarrassingly bad defender in 2013 so, even if you get something like 22-5-5 from Kobe (if Melo is there Melo will probably score more, like in the 25ish range) on solid efficiency, you'd still need an elite or at least borderline elite defensive presence (namely a rim/paint protector) to cover all of his, Gasol's, and Carmelo's defensive deficiencies.

They could be a damn good defensive team but, unless they're somehow able to land a big time rim protecting defensive anchor, that team would still be AWFUL defensively and on the same level as Phoenix and Dallas. And we don't know what Dallas is going to do in FA. It's very likely they put themselves in the Houston/Portland/Golden State group.

kobe pau and randle aren't the terrible defensive players you make them to be...they can hold their own in the post and get you couple of blocks and steals everynight...they'll be slow but with a good coach with tough role players that melo-kobe-gasol core has crazy potential

3 of the best post players in the same team if they can sacrifice their ego the ball movement with pau operatin in the high post would be :eek: nash, marshall and that new kid deandre kane can all pass like the best of em just need to find someone who can defend at the point and at center.

[Ca$H]

That's very debatable. Randle's impact still doesn't keep that from being a VERY bad defensive team (Carmelo is decent when he wants to be, but Kobe, Gasol, and Randle are terrible defenders). Also, in order for the Lakers with Melo to be on Golden State's, Houston's, and Portland's level, Kobe has to return to something similar to what he was in 2012-2013. Kobe's one of the toughest players ever, and seems ageless, but he's had two serious injuries since 2013 and will be 36 years old this season. He was already an embarrassingly bad defender in 2013 so, even if you get something like 22-5-5 from Kobe (if Melo is there Melo will probably score more, like in the 25ish range) on solid efficiency, you'd still need an elite or at least borderline elite defensive presence (namely a rim/paint protector) to cover all of his, Gasol's, and Carmelo's defensive deficiencies.

They could be a damn good defensive team but, unless they're somehow able to land a big time rim protecting defensive anchor, that team would still be AWFUL defensively and on the same level as Phoenix and Dallas. And we don't know what Dallas is going to do in FA. It's very likely they put themselves in the Houston/Portland/Golden State group.

Randle is an alpha with GOAT potential. He will win rookie of the year unanimously.

[GimmeThat]

I think it just means that if they are signing another max player for help, he'll ask for something around the 10mil range, instead of the 13-14 which is what teams are probably willing to offer, especially those with cap space.

might be off on those figure, but I'd consider that a massive pay cut.

[KG215]

kobe pau and randle aren't the terrible defensive players you make them to be...they can hold their own in the post and get you couple of blocks and steals everynight...they'll be slow but with a good coach with tough role players that melo-kobe-gasol core has crazy potential

3 of the best post players in the same team if they can sacrifice their ego the ball movement with pau operatin in the high post would be :eek: nash, marshall and that new kid deandre kane can all pass like the best of em just need to find someone who can defend at the point and at center.
The last time we saw Kobe he was TERRIBLE defensively. Even if it was just out of laziness, he was still awful. Randle was a bad defender in college so I can't imagine him being anything other than a bad defender in the NBA, especially as a rookie. Pau used to be a good, solid defender, but from what I saw last year (which was limited) his defense has mostly fallen off a cliff. It may have just been because he was in D'Antoni's system and knew last season was a lost cause.

[Artillery]

Randle is an alpha with GOAT potential. He will win rookie of the year unanimously.

Randle is a bust waiting to happen. Short T-Rex arms, awful defense, high turnover rate. Lakers drafted a dud.

[Artillery]

The last time we saw Kobe he was TERRIBLE defensively. Even if it was just out of laziness, he was still awful.

Kobe has never been a good defender but he's been truly horrific the last few years, even by his low standards.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has never been a good defender but he's been truly horrific the last few years, even by his low standards.


All time record 9 first team all defensive awards


Suck it :lol

"What have you done for me lately tho" - every moron who hates on kobes defense



You know that nobody can be great forever right?

[DMAVS41]

All time record 9 first team all defensive awards


Suck it :lol

"What have you done for me lately tho" - every moron who hates on kobes defense



You know that nobody can be great forever right?

Objective defensive impact trumps subjective awards nobody cares about

This is like saying Lebron is better than Kobe because he has 4 mvp's...Lebron may be better, but just winning MVP is not what's important...it's the impact behind it. Kobe's defensive impact behind his all defensive selections never measured up past honestly like the 01 season...although he did play quality defense in 08...but you get the idea

[Milbuck]

Kobe has never been a good defender but he's been truly horrific the last few years, even by his low standards.
ok

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Kobe has never been a good defender but he's been truly horrific the last few years, even by his low standards.
:lol

[Meticode]

He was bored...
:D

[Artillery]

ok

In his best years, he was above average. Never good or great. Over his career, he's been a net negative on defense.

[Lamar Odumbb]

Randle is a bust waiting to happen. Short T-Rex arms, awful defense, high turnover rate. Lakers drafted a dud.

Lebron has a 7-0 wingspan, same as Randle. I guess Lebron has T Rex arms. Randle is only .5 taller than Lebron.

[Artillery]

Lebron has a 7-0 wingspan, same as Randle. I guess Lebron has T Rex arms. Randle is only .5 taller than Lebron.

:oldlol: Compaing Randle to Lebron

Lebron is a wing player. Randle is an undersized big.

[Lamar Odumbb]

:oldlol: Compaing Randle to Lebron

Lebron is a wing player. Randle is an undersized big.

Randle could be switched to the 3 much like Bird went from the 4 to 3. Lebron could play the 2/5 positions since he mastered going 2/5.

[Artillery]

Randle could be switched to the 3 much like Bird went from the 4 to 3. Lebron could play the 2/5 positions since he mastered going 2/5.

[I]A few weeks ago, Jonathan Tjarks of SBNation wrote a piece that stirred up some interesting conversation about Kentucky freshman power forward, and likely lottery pick, Julius Randle. The general thesis is this: Randle has a short wingspan for his position, which is very likely to cause him trouble in scoring over the kind of length he will face night in, night out in the NBA. Tjarks makes passing reference to Randle