faithful, religious people:

[riseagainst]

try to convince me to believe in Jesus, or whichever deity you believe in.

[Akrazotile]

Weak bait, 0/10, log onto a different gimmick.

[Nowitness]

He loves you, isn't that all you need?

[andgar923]

Faith is like love.

It's not something that can be explained, just something that has to be experienced to truly understand.

[ZeN]

try to convince me to believe in Jesus, or whichever deity you believe in.
You don't deserve any sort of happiness.

[Kblaze8855]

If you could explain the supernatural logically nobody would need faith to believe in it. It would be irrefutable.

It being so abstract a concept is why a leap of faith must be taken to accept it.

[knickballer]

Atheistic Agnostic here but I don't get why non religious people(mostly Atheists) need to bash religious people for believing in a higher being. Leave them alone and let them do what they want with their life :confusedshrug:

[Lamar Doom]

have you ever died or been attacked in your sleep? Nope, because Moon God is looking after you. Moon God keeps the darkness from surrounding us all. Moon God circles us day and night, always protecting, always nurturing. You'd be a fool to ignore Moon God, unlike some of these other phony bologna religions you can actually see god. He's there, a beacon in the night. Give your life over to him. And sacrifice your first son to him. And never eat cherries, for Moon God forbids it.



http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/12/apollo_15/131209_SCI_Apollo15_Moon.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

[sweggeh]

I do not fully believe in any specific deity or any currently popular religion. I do however completely 100% believe in something. Some kind of creator. I do not believe in the scientific reasons given for our creation as they are:

1) Made by people with very limited knowledge on our universe.

We are just people, and we are our knowledge is mostly limited to what we have accumulated over our existence. Most of modern atheism is guesswork. I will not take a humans educated guess that could be disproven (and is and has been done so) regularly throughout time as my belief.

2) This world has clearly been created, and there is something beyond science that goes into the spiritual realm.

Science is always used by some people to explain certain occurences that appear unexplainable. Why we can feel certain things, or sense certains things, or have some sort of spirit beyond our flesh and bones just shows there are things science cannot explain. Twins often sense danger and feel anxiety when their sibling has been hurt, even if they are not actually aware of any incident. Of course this is not proof of a god, but it can show that there is some sort of spiritual realm beyond what we can see and prove. Im not one of those people that believe people with pyschic abilities and bs like that, but like the twin connection, there have been countless scenarios of things like that happening over time, so many in fact that it is common knowledge to most people that a psychic connection most likely exists.

The main reason however is that something has to come out of something else. You dont have absolutely nothing, and then suddenly boom a universe is created. Now that is illogical. We talk about science, and elements and all that other stuff, but who created them? Who created the rules of physics? Did they just create themselves? And even if they were always there, how did stuff just start happening to lead to something becoming alive? It it wasnt created, how can life form? If left for a trillion years can a rock become alive and eventually turn into a human? Where did the rock come from in the first place? Too many unanswered questions, too many coincidences and too much unreliability and unstability in these concepts.

These factors lead to me believing in a higher power.

[Myth]

There is only 1 true god: bacon.

[Akrazotile]

have you ever died or been attacked in your sleep? Nope, because Moon God is looking after you. Moon God keeps the darkness from surrounding us all. Moon God circles us day and night, always protecting, always nurturing. You'd be a fool to ignore Moon God, unlike some of these other phony bologna religions you can actually see god. He's there, a beacon in the night. Give your life over to him. And sacrifice your first son to him. And never eat cherries, for Moon God forbids it.



http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/12/apollo_15/131209_SCI_Apollo15_Moon.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg


bro did you rip this off from carlin, while simply replacing the sun with the moon in the bit?


fess up brah.... :coleman:

[Nowitness]

Atheistic Agnostic here but I don't get why non religious people(mostly Atheists) need to bash religious people for believing in a higher being. Leave them alone and let them do what they want with their life :confusedshrug:

Well I would like to disassociate believing in God from organized religion.

If you believe in any God (whether it be Allah, Abrahamic, Zeus, Odin...) fine, that is your choice. And for a good amount of the world this is the case, they don't push their beliefs.

However, when people refuse to acknowledge science because it goes against their teachings that is when it becomes a problem. When over 30% of a world superpower are creationist that is a problem. When we have morality debates on abortion, contraception, human rights, school teachings, sexuality and any thing else being backed up by a 3,000 year old document made by medieval oppressionist minds then it is a problem. When wars are fought over societies believing in a different kind of God (to actually quote Carlin here; "My God has a bigger dick than your God") that is a problem. When religious rights trump human rights that is a problem.

And one of the main pieces of this problem is too many people who believe in a deity thinking that means they are Christian or Muslim and following the politics of it. I know very few people who believe in God yet live total opposite lifestyles to what the Bible teaches, the two are sadly synonymous.

[T_L_P]

Well I would like to disassociate believing in God from organized religion.

If you believe in any God (whether it be Allah, Abrahamic, Zeus, Odin...) fine, that is your choice. And for a good amount of the world this is the case, they don't push their beliefs.

However, when people refuse to acknowledge science because it goes against their teachings that is when it becomes a problem. When over 30% of a world superpower are creationist that is a problem. When we have morality debates on abortion, contraception, human rights, school teachings, sexuality and any thing else being backed up by a 3,000 year old document made by medieval oppressionist minds then it is a problem. When wars are fought over societies believing in a different kind of God (to actually quote Carlin here; "My God has a bigger dick than your God") that is a problem. When religious rights trump human rights that is a problem.

And one of the main pieces of this problem is too many people who believe in a deity thinking that means they are Christian or Muslim and following the politics of it. I know very few people who believe in God yet live total opposite lifestyles to what the Bible teaches, the two are sadly synonymous.

Marx taught you well, fakkit.

[T_L_P]

He said nothing wrong :confusedshrug:

I agree. Everything he said is 100% correct.

He's still a fakkit though. :confusedshrug:

[Nowitness]

I agree. Everything he said is 100% correct.

He's still a fakkit though. :confusedshrug:

Damn. If you agree you should join me on the crusade against religion, brother.

[Penny37]

I believe in a creator because all of this cannot simply come from nothing.
Obviously, something can't come from nothing. That's not scientific.

And you're going to say, "well who created the creator?" and my answer to you is this..

Whether you believe in a creator or not, it takes faith either way. It takes faith to believe in a creator but it also takes faith to believe that this all came by chance. It takes faith to believe that trillions of years ago all of this came from nothing.

I choose to believe that everything that I see, the perfect order, our logical reasoning, laughter, sight, all of creation points to a creator of the universe.

[Penny37]

try to convince me to believe in Jesus, or whichever deity you believe in.
I believe that God is perfectly good. We all have our natural morals built into us. Whether you were born in the 1800s or the 200s, murder is wrong. Rape is wrong. Lying and cheating is wrong. People from all sorts of different cultures all have the same underlying moral behavior. I believe that this came from a creator of the universe and we reflect His characteristics.

He is a good God. Perfect. We are not. Everyone here, especially myself, has done a lot of wrong. We are all fallible beings and therefore we do not deserve to be with God when we die. The only way to be with God is to live perfect, infallible lives which is impossible.

So God sent His son Jesus to die for our sins. He lived a perfect life and took our punishment on our behalf as long as we accept this gift. A good and perfect judge cannot just simply let the guilty go free. There must be punishment for all who are guilty. Jesus took that punishment for us.



These are just my beliefs. I'm not shoving them down anyone's throats or making you believe what I believe. I'm simply replying to the OP's post.

[miller-time]

So God sent His son Jesus to die for our sins. He lived a perfect life and took our punishment on our behalf as long as we accept this gift. A good and perfect judge cannot just simply let the guilty go free. There must be punishment for all who are guilty. Jesus took that punishment for us.

But why didn't he do that the first time he got cranky? Instead he flooded the world killing most of every living thing and then at the end of it we still had no saviour deal.

[Penny37]

But why didn't he do that the first time he got cranky? Instead he flooded the world killing most of every living thing and then at the end of it we still had no saviour deal.
That's a very good question. I can't say I have the answers and take mine, obviously, with a grain of salt.

But here's my opinion. God is a good and perfect being. He knows no evil. So when humans were given free will and we chose to do messed up things over and over, God got angry. To give you an example of some things that people were doing at the time: bashing the heads of newborn babies against rocks as sacrifices to idols, tying the legs of a woman giving birth together so that the baby can't come out and kills the mother, etc. etc.

I mean God looks at this and He's not happy. Even us as fallible beings know that this is messed up so how much greater would a perfect infallible God be upset.

But after the Flood, God promised not to do it again. Why didn't He send Jesus earlier? I don't think the world was ready for a Savior (again this is purely my own opinion). It took years and years for the Jews to disobey God over and over and over and over, and even after Jesus came they don't see the need for a Savior. To understand the need for a Savior you have to understand your sinful ways. You have to fail over and over again at keeping the law before you understand that it's a law that is impossible to keep. No one can keep the law perfectly, hence we need a Savior.

That's a very good question, though and I'll be the first to admit that I don't have all the answers. This is just my educated opinion

[miller-time]

God is a good and perfect being. He knows no evil.

Then how did he create the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

[russwest0]

I've done some drugs and seen some shit but other than that I've never seen any proof of a God. Just from doing drugs I'd say my experiences would lead to the belief that everyone and everything is God; not just one ruler.

[russwest0]

But here's my opinion. God is a good and perfect being. He knows no evil. So when humans were given free will and we chose to do messed up things over and over, God got angry.

If he was a good and perfect being, why would he get angry? Anger is generally seen as a sign of weakness or a lack of understanding. Doesn't sound like something you'd see a perfect being do. And don't feed me that "this is something worth getting angry about" BS either because you can acknowledge the bad things in this world without being an angry douche over it.

[Penny37]

If he was a good and perfect being, why would he get angry? Anger is generally seen as a sign of weakness or a lack of understanding. Doesn't sound like something you'd see a perfect being do. And don't feed me that "this is something worth getting angry about" BS either because you can acknowledge the bad things in this world without being an angry douche over it.
God loves kids so he hates abortion.
If you were to tell the story of Hitler and Stalin to somebody and they didn't get angry about it I'd say they were pretty heartless.

When there is injustice, the right thing to do is to get angry and do something about it.

[Penny37]

Then how did he create the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
God created the tree to give them a choice. They could choose to obey or disobey. Darkness is merely the absence of light. Just like how there is darkness where there is no light; there is evil where there is no good.

[Josh]

Mocking religion, God, etc is soooooooooo 2003.

:applause:

[GimmeThat]

try to convince me to believe in Jesus, or whichever deity you believe in.


what's your profession? where do you live?

because I believe in you.


;)

[BrownEye007]

Atheistic Agnostic here but I don't get why non religious people(mostly Atheists) need to bash religious people for believing in a higher being. Leave them alone and let them do what they want with their life :confusedshrug:
That's all most atheists want from religious people :confusedshrug: There are people trying to push their religion on others all over the place. Atheists for the most part are quiet about their beliefs. Certainly not killing others in the name of their religion.

[BrownEye007]

I believe in a creator because all of this cannot simply come from nothing.
Obviously, something can't come from nothing. That's not scientific.

And you're going to say, "well who created the creator?" and my answer to you is this..

Whether you believe in a creator or not, it takes faith either way. It takes faith to believe in a creator but it also takes faith to believe that this all came by chance. It takes faith to believe that trillions of years ago all of this came from nothing.

I choose to believe that everything that I see, the perfect order, our logical reasoning, laughter, sight, all of creation points to a creator of the universe.
If you knew anything about evolution you'd know that it doesn't just happen by "chance".

[step_back]

My biggest problem with religion is people use it to justify human atrocities all over the World. It's accepted in certain countries to kill gays and people who apostatize. That's a hate crime. Religious wars are justified because both sides believe they are doing the divine will of god, that often leads to a stalemate which lasts for hundreds of years. Just look at the current civil war in Syria, regardless of who gets into power that country is finished.

Catholicism is also responsible for the rampant infections of HIV over parts of Africa because the missionaries drummed it into the people that contraception is forbidden by God.

People can believe in what ever they want however you're in denial if you think Religion is all about faith and not about politics.

[Nick Young]

Christians and people who actually believe in Christianity are a joke.

Sheep and retards all of them.

Forcing people to repress their sexuality, controlling them by guilt, why would any dumbass willingly sign up to this?

Baptisms and shit, wtf is all this neo-pagan bullshit they do:roll: :roll: :roll:

[miller-time]

Mocking religion, God, etc is soooooooooo 2003.

:applause:

I'd say more 2006-2008. Around the time Dawkins and Hitchens blew up. Both creationists and atheists were going mental on the internet. Fun times really.

[Nowitness]

My biggest problem with religion is people use it to justify human atrocities all over the World. It's accepted in certain countries to kill gays and people who apostatize. That's a hate crime. Religious wars are justified because both sides believe they are doing the divine will of god, that often leads to a stalemate which lasts for hundreds of years. Just look at the current civil war in Syria, regardless of who gets into power that country is finished.

Catholicism is also responsible for the rampant infections of HIV over parts of Africa because the missionaries drummed it into the people that contraception is forbidden by God.

People can believe in what ever they want however you're in denial if you think Religion is all about faith and not about politics.

To add to this I hate modern apologist who say the bad things religion has done (from the Holy Wars, inquisitions, sex abuse scandals and so forth) are by certain people. I mean sure, but by that logic you have to say the same for good things in which case they are two trains of thought.

A) Religion is pointless if some will do good and some will do bad so why have it?

B) Does the good out-way the bad? The answer is no.

[ILLsmak]

My biggest problem with religion is people use it to justify human atrocities all over the World. It's accepted in certain countries to kill gays and people who apostatize. That's a hate crime. Religious wars are justified because both sides believe they are doing the divine will of god, that often leads to a stalemate which lasts for hundreds of years. Just look at the current civil war in Syria, regardless of who gets into power that country is finished.

Catholicism is also responsible for the rampant infections of HIV over parts of Africa because the missionaries drummed it into the people that contraception is forbidden by God.

People can believe in what ever they want however you're in denial if you think Religion is all about faith and not about politics.

That's a people problem. Religion should be an attempt to understand God. Like Science. If you are ever tied to one concept, then you are limiting your understanding. We know what happened... but we also know things change.

We are always figuring out new shit. Everyone is like OH WOW WE THOUGHT THAT WAS TRUE FOR 200 YEARS... boy were we wrong! Then they have a good laugh about it and move on. Should be the same with God and the pursuit of 'truth' that we maybe 'feel' but don't 'see.'

-Smak

[step_back]

That's a people problem. Religion should be an attempt to understand God. Like Science. If you are ever tied to one concept, then you are limiting your understanding. We know what happened... but we also know things change.

We are always figuring out new shit. Everyone is like OH WOW WE THOUGHT THAT WAS TRUE FOR 200 YEARS... boy were we wrong! Then they have a good laugh about it and move on. Should be the same with God and the pursuit of 'truth' that we maybe 'feel' but don't 'see.'

-Smak

People believing they're acting under the divine will of God when they're killing others IS a religious problem.

[GimmeThat]

if a religion can't be inclusive, it is hard to justify it is even a religion at itself.

I've heard of the God Chosen People explanation, which I thought it was really funny.

Because all it would take is one person who is better than the other "Chosen side" to destroy that whole philosophy.



I'm blessed by the people who choose to be on my side though

anyone want to post a picture of Darth Vadar going
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[Penny37]

My biggest problem with religion is people use it to justify human atrocities all over the World. It's accepted in certain countries to kill gays and people who apostatize. That's a hate crime. Religious wars are justified because both sides believe they are doing the divine will of god, that often leads to a stalemate which lasts for hundreds of years. Just look at the current civil war in Syria, regardless of who gets into power that country is finished.

Catholicism is also responsible for the rampant infections of HIV over parts of Africa because the missionaries drummed it into the people that contraception is forbidden by God.

People can believe in what ever they want however you're in denial if you think Religion is all about faith and not about politics.
There have been way more wars in the name of Atheism than there has been religious wars.

The number of wars in the name of religion we have had is less than 7%.

The Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Kai-Shek; all of these regimes which took the most lives were all Atheist.

Yes, there have been wars for religious reasons but the non-religious wars vastly outnumber them.


Also, I hope you guys don't absolutely dismiss Christianity because of all of the messed up Christians out there. In every religion, people group, culture, country, etc. there are good and bad. A lot of people have done dumb things in the name of Christianity but I hope that you would not let that hinder you from understanding the idea behind Christianity.

[Penny37]

People believing they're acting under the divine will of God when they're killing others IS a religious problem.
People believing they're acting under the divine will of themselves while they're killing others is a NON- religious problem. One that is far, far, greater than the religious one.

[Penny37]

not true dum dum
Can you give me one example of how something came from nothing?
That would defy the laws of physics.

[Penny37]

If you knew anything about evolution you'd know that it doesn't just happen by "chance".
Honestly, how much do you even know about evolution?
Other than that it's true?
I believe in micro evolution, but after my studies of macro evolution I simply cannot believe it, yet.

I know many Christians who do believe in macro evolution, though. I don't think that evolution and creation can't co-exist but given the facts, there is not enough out there to prove to me that macro evolution is true.


Now before you jump all over me about it, ask your self: how much do you really know about macro evolution? Do you just believe it because you were told it was true or did you actually study and discern for yourself that it's true? There is absolutely no observable evidence that supports macro evolution.

[Penny37]

That's all most atheists want from religious people :confusedshrug: There are people trying to push their religion on others all over the place. Atheists for the most part are quiet about their beliefs. Certainly not killing others in the name of their religion.
Just look at this thread. Who's forcing their beliefs on who?
Atheists are more vocal about their beliefs (or lackthereof) than any other religious group.

[Nowitness]

There have been way more wars in the name of Atheism than there has been religious wars.

The number of wars in the name of religion we have had is less than 7%.

The Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Kai-Shek; all of these regimes which took the most lives were all Atheist.

Yes, there have been wars for religious reasons but the non-religious wars vastly outnumber them.


Also, I hope you guys don't absolutely dismiss Christianity because of all of the messed up Christians out there. In every religion, people group, culture, country, etc. there are good and bad. A lot of people have done dumb things in the name of Christianity but I hope that you would not let that hinder you from understanding the idea behind Christianity.

They also had mustaches. They didn't kill in the name of Atheism, they killed and happened to be Atheist.

Don't be foolish, we're not just talking war, we're talking mass murder for opposing beliefs by religion. As I said earlier if you say some religious people are bad then some are good, not the product itself, they is no need for it anymore.

[Nowitness]

Just look at this thread. Who's forcing their beliefs on who?
Atheists are more vocal about their beliefs (or lackthereof) than any other religious group.

Also Atheism is reactionary. The reason many modern Atheist are vocal is because religion (making the claims) has yet to prove them. If I accuse you of raping me I need to convince or prove to the jury you did it, if I can't you don't need to defend yourself. When religion can back up the claims I'm sure angry Atheist who simply debate rather than murder and oppress like religion has done for thousands of years will quiet down...

[step_back]

There have been way more wars in the name of Atheism than there has been religious wars.

The number of wars in the name of religion we have had is less than 7%.

The Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Kai-Shek; all of these regimes which took the most lives were all Atheist.

Yes, there have been wars for religious reasons but the non-religious wars vastly outnumber them.


Also, I hope you guys don't absolutely dismiss Christianity because of all of the messed up Christians out there. In every religion, people group, culture, country, etc. there are good and bad. A lot of people have done dumb things in the name of Christianity but I hope that you would not let that hinder you from understanding the idea behind Christianity.

That's total BS. Just because Stalin was an Atheist that doesn't mean he was fighting wars or killing in the name of Atheism. This is a typical and over used response from a person of faith. Politics are often the reason behind most wars that aren't Religious. I'd also like you to find an Atheist who believes in executions for believers of faith. Because people who apostatize certainly lose their lives.

Hitler was also raised a Roman Catholic. Sure he denounced it later in life but Hitler was about totalitarianism. He didn't execute the jews because he was an atheist. He hated them because he felt they were responsible for Germany losing the first world war because Jewish banks refused to lend anymore money to them. It was also about Imperialism not atheism.

[Penny37]

Also Atheism is reactionary. The reason many modern Atheist are vocal is because religion (making the claims) has yet to prove them. If I accuse you of raping me I need to convince or prove to the jury you did it, if I can't you don't need to defend yourself. When religion can back up the claims I'm sure angry Atheist who simply debate rather than murder and oppress like religion has done for thousands of years will quiet down...
Atheism and Theism both have one thing in common. They cannot prove their beliefs.

If you and I see a newly built table in the middle of the field and I say it was created while you say it just came to be; then who's the crazy one?

I simply see a universe that is complex beyond human understanding and reason, and I choose to believe that something this intricate had to have a creator. You state that it just came to be.

Both are choices we make. Neither can be proven.

Simply looking back at this thread, which group would you say is forcing their beliefs upon the other more? Granted, this has been one of the more civil religious conversations I've had but still.

[Penny37]

They also had mustaches. They didn't kill in the name of Atheism, they killed and happened to be Atheist.

Don't be foolish, we're not just talking war, we're talking mass murder for opposing beliefs by religion. As I said earlier if you say some religious people are bad then some are good, not the product itself, they is no need for it anymore.
Looking back at history, Christianity has done far more good than harm. Even in the present age. All the work being done in the name of Christ.

Martin Luther, Mother Theresa, William Wilberforce to name a few, have all left lasting legacies and helped a countless number of people.

[Nowitness]

Atheism and Theism both have one thing in common. They cannot prove their beliefs.

If you and I see a newly built table in the middle of the field and I say it was created while you say it just came to be; then who's the crazy one?

I simply see a universe that is complex beyond human understanding and reason, and I choose to believe that something this intricate had to have a creator. You state that it just came to be.

Both are choices we make. Neither can be proven.

Simply looking back at this thread, which group would you say is forcing their beliefs upon the other more? Granted, this has been one of the more civil religious conversations I've had but still.

Difference is I can admit I don't know and thus chose not to align with a certain idea. At least by siding with Atheist you side with the ones looking for answers whereas you settle with this idea that God created it and loves us. You basically say no to advancement so you can believe thousand year old myths made by ancient men.

[Nowitness]

Looking back at history, Christianity has done far more good than harm. Even in the present age. All the work being done in the name of Christ.

Martin Luther, Mother Theresa, William Wilberforce to name a few, have all left lasting legacies and helped a countless number of people.

Religious terrorist who used her 'good will' to promote religion, refused pain killers to patients as it brought them closer to Jesus, basically gave dying people a place to go and repent and above all accepted corrupt donations. If you say so.

Martin Luther was a religious man and I have studied his work (even though I am an Atheist I love religious history, especially the reformation), funny thing is the good he did was proving religious corruption (thus Catholic Church selling indulgences).

The good does not outweigh the bad, just look up the debate is Catholicism a force for good in the world, Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry slap that notion down.

[9512]

He loves you, isn't that all you need?

He loves you and h

[Nowitness]

[QUOTE=9512]He loves you and h

[russwest0]

Mocking religion, God, etc is soooooooooo 2003.

:applause:

lol it's much more out of date than that. This Christianity shit was used to manipulate and control the dipshits of civilizations in a long ass time ago. Like the early AD era and shit

[Penny37]

Difference is I can admit I don't know and thus chose not to align with a certain idea. At least by siding with Atheist you side with the ones looking for answers whereas you settle with this idea that God created it and loves us. You basically say no to advancement so you can believe thousand year old myths made by ancient men.
We're not talking about a Christian God vs. a Non-Christian God.
We're talking about a theist vs. an atheist. You claim that being an atheist makes you more open minded when actually I feel like it's the exact opposite. A theist realizes that there are things in the universe that we can't comprehend and so we choose to believe that there is something beyond what we see and hear.

[Penny37]

no, the laws of physics allow for it. Pick up a book dum dum.
Please keep personal attacks out of this.
And please enlighten me because I don't want to go through thousands of pages of physics which I'm sure you did.

Give me one example of when something came from nothing.
Go on. Go google it.

[Penny37]

Religious terrorist who used her 'good will' to promote religion, refused pain killers to patients as it brought them closer to Jesus, basically gave dying people a place to go and repent and above all accepted corrupt donations. If you say so.

Martin Luther was a religious man and I have studied his work (even though I am an Atheist I love religious history, especially the reformation), funny thing is the good he did was proving religious corruption (thus Catholic Church selling indulgences).

The good does not outweigh the bad, just look up the debate is Catholicism a force for good in the world, Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry slap that notion down.
I admit that a lot of people have done awful things in the name of Christianity. But if you're going to say someone like Mother Theresa didn't leave this world a better place than there's no point arguing with you. I'm sure even all your atheist friends would agree that she was a good person who did a lot of good in this world.

However, let's not talk about people. Show me one thing in the Bible, any teaching of Jesus or Moses or whoever that promotes corruption or anything evil. If you actually read the Bible you would clearly, clearly see that God loves the poor. He cares for the orphan, the widow, and the marginalized.

Just because a lot (okay, most) of the followers of Jesus don't reflect His teachings doesn't mean that He didn't exist or that He wasn't a good person.

[Nanners]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/75/7554c49c95b02c5de91287d4b0bdc28e965b33a0233ed20a1f 44442fcfb30bc1.jpg

[Penny37]

lol it's much more out of date than that. This Christianity shit was used to manipulate and control the dipshits of civilizations in a long ass time ago. Like the early AD era and shit
You are correct. Christianity has been used to manipulate countries and empires but that doesn't make it invalid. It doesn't make the teachings of Jesus any less true.

[Lamar Doom]

bro did you rip this off from carlin, while simply replacing the sun with the moon in the bit?


fess up brah.... :coleman:


Is that a Carlin bit? I don't remember it. Or if I do, it's subconscious. Happy to steal from him if I did, mainly because he's dead and what's he gonna do?



this is uncomfortably unfunny

did you cut your hair yet?


I don't recall you ever saying anything funny.

My hair is pretty damn short right now, my sideburns have a lot of grays.

You still e-combative in an innocuous way? Stay Macho

[BrownEye007]

Looking back at history, Christianity has done far more good than harm. Even in the present age. All the work being done in the name of Christ.

Martin Luther, Mother Theresa, William Wilberforce to name a few, have all left lasting legacies and helped a countless number of people.
:oldlol: You must not have looked back very far in history.

[miller-time]

Looking back at history, Christianity has done far more good than harm. Even in the present age. All the work being done in the name of Christ.

Martin Luther, Mother Theresa, William Wilberforce to name a few, have all left lasting legacies and helped a countless number of people.

We can probably leave Mother Theresa out of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhdUQ4htIqA

[GimmeThat]

just tell me the lack of religion in your life doesn't bother you.



go on.

because then you wouldn't need us the faithful religious folks!
been a pleasure mate!

[BrownEye007]

just tell me the lack of religion in your life doesn't bother you.



go on.

because then you wouldn't need us the faithful religious folks!
been a pleasure mate!
My lack of religion doesn't bother me. In fact I'd be happy not to be constantly surrounded by Jesus nut huggers. What do you mean by we need you faithful religious people? Science would be more advanced and the world would be a better place in general without you asholes blowing up abortion clinics and impeding progress on stem cell research.

[riseagainst]

I think the bible contradicts all types of logic and reasoning. But then again, the supernatural is not logical and reasonable.

There is, however, something we can all learn from the Bible. The stories in there teach us alot of valuable lessons about being a good and moral human being. Doesn't hurt to read up on some of its lessons, not the ones that say "must kneel before God or you burn in hell" type of sh1t.