Adrian Woj:"breakdown in communication between LeBron and (Wade and Bosh)"

[FKAri]

via his twitter.
Wade wants dat money.

[Natureland]

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[Akrazotile]

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:oldlol:

[Beastmode88]

Dumbasses opted out already lost guaranteed money. :roll: :roll:

[Done_And_Done]

[QUOTE] Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

[STATUTORY]

:roll: I called this, Lebron coming to knicks or going to cleveland

Wade curled up in fetal position, crying, losing hope, watching finals 2006 on vhs and singing the tune to "I dreamed a dream"

[DukeDelonte13]

Dumbasses opted out already lost guaranteed money. :roll: :roll:


that would be pretty funny but if Lebron doesn't resign and Bosh hasn't I guarantee he still gets a max.

[AnaheimLakers24]

lakers could always use a good rolw player

[Thunderfan86]

I hope Lebron and Bosh sign with another team. It would make my year.

[coin24]

:lol :lol morons opted out already:roll: :roll:

Watch bran scurry to another stacked team to carry him:facepalm

[Beastmode88]

Lakers could just sign melo, bran, bosh and wade. why not? :confusedshrug: TWC is paying them that paper and lakers have ton of bandwagon fans as it is.

[1~Gibson~1]

He should just resign with Cleveland :confusedshrug:

We got talent.

[Cocaine80s]

He should just resign with Cleveland :confusedshrug:

We got talent.
Too young

[SpecialQue]

Wade and Bosh walking around with stretched assholes, meanwhile Lebron's laughing harder than a mother****er.

[fpliii]

Damn, he did Wade dirty.

[The-Legend-24]

Wade a dumb nikka. :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

The drama of the NBA now is just unreal...

[1~Gibson~1]

Too young
Worst excuse of all time.

2012 OKC Thunder
2013/2014 Indiana Pacers

Its possible. And its the East.

[TylerOO]

Wade might hire someone to murder LeBron for leaving all that money on the table

[The-Legend-24]

Wade lowkey gonna hire a hitman.

[longtime lurker]

:oldlol: this is what happens when you pull some beta shit instead of being your own man. Both these idiots Bosh and Wade opted out of guaranteed 40 million just to help Lebron's legacy.

[SpecialQue]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 9s

Another team official who met with James' agent, Rich Paul, in Cleveland tells Yahoo: "I think it's all a smoke screen."

:coleman:

[D-Rose]

@WojYahooNBA 11m
Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra are in L.A. meeting with free agents today. They've made inroads in talks, sources tell Yahoo. Still confident.



@WojYahooNBA 45s
Another team official who met with James' agent, Rich Paul, in Cleveland tells Yahoo: "I think it's all a smoke screen."

more info

[KyleKong]

He should just resign with Cleveland :confusedshrug:

We got talent.

Too Cleveland.

[Black and White]

Does LeBron not understand that a lot of the key free agents would only sign if LeBrons future on the team was secure?

Smh this is like his Cleveland days all over again :facepalm

[Thunderfan86]

Has Lebron already signed with another team? :confusedshrug:

If not, I don't see what the big deal is.....

[Hotlantadude81]

more info

I don't see how this helps the heat get talent. Why a smoke screen?

[Kingwillball]

Problem is Wade is worth half of what he wants or was getting and Bosh is worth maybe a bit more than that cause he plays the whole season.

[fpliii]

Does LeBron not understand that a lot of the key free agents would only sign if LeBrons future on the team was secure?

Smh this is like his Cleveland days all over again :facepalm
That's the thing though. He knows this is the last contract he'll sign in his prime, he doesn't want to risk playing for a team that's not a contender (to win it all, not just get out of the shit East) I'd imagine.

Signing with Miami would be a big gamble on his part.

[1~Gibson~1]

Too Cleveland.
:oldlol:

Alot more reasonable than "Too young" but okay.

[Nash]

Does LeBron not understand that a lot of the key free agents would only sign if LeBrons future on the team was secure?

Smh this is like his Cleveland days all over again :facepalm
Lebron will let Riley get some guys in and then sign a deal with what is left of the cap. The whole max thing is fake.

And I'm pretty sure Lebron is on the phone reassuring guys he'll be back.

[1~Gibson~1]

That's the thing though. He knows this is the last contract he'll sign in his prime, he doesn't want to risk playing for a team that's not a contender (to win it all, not just get out of the shit East) I'd imagine.

Signing with Miami would be a big gamble on his part.
If Lebron signs with any of those 4 teams theyre a contender. Including any of the rumored teams in the weak EAST.

[Cocaine80s]

Worst excuse of all time.

2012 OKC Thunder
2013/2014 Indiana Pacers

Its possible. And its the East.
Lol what. both teams lost....

[Black and White]

That's the thing though. He knows this is the last contract he'll sign in his prime, he doesn't want to risk playing for a team that's not a contender (to win it all, not just get out of the shit East) I'd imagine.

Signing with Miami would be a big gamble on his part.

Of course its a gamble, but from LeBrons standpoint, how can he expect Riley to sign the talent he requires when he knows that he is the biggest bargaining piece the Heat can use??

[Black and White]

Lebron will let Riley get some guys in and then sign a deal with what is left of the cap. The whole max thing is fake.

And I'm pretty sure Lebron is on the phone reassuring guys he'll be back.

Disagree with that, he wants the max, after all the signings will they have enough for him?

[1~Gibson~1]

Lol what. both teams lost....
I honestly didnt think you'd get the point either. Those teams were CONTENDERS. Had either of them not played against LeBron and the Heat, Kd might have a ring, Paul George might have made it to the finals.

[DukeDelonte13]

could you imagine free agents in a meeting with Riley and that dork Spo? Especially when they don't have the luxury of telling them LBJ is back?

[robert de niro]

Too Cleveland.
:lol

[fpliii]

If Lebron signs with any of those 4 teams theyre a contender. Including any of the rumored teams in the weak EAST.
I agree.

Of course its a gamble, but from LeBrons standpoint, how can he expect Riley to sign the talent he requires when he knows that he is the biggest bargaining piece the Heat can use??
That's the thing, I think he's as good as gone.

[ProfessorMurder]

Some team should make a move on Bosh right now.

[Meticode]

I don't care who's reporting what. No one knew what the hell was going on 3+ years ago. Not worried about it until it's officially annouced what's happening with Miami.

[DukeDelonte13]

Some team should make a move on Bosh right now.

He could really help some other teams. Bosh should just say f*ck it and be the first domino to drop.

[Nash]

Disagree with that, he wants the max, after all the signings will they have enough for him?
I personally do not think he'll take the max, they'll probably leave him something at 17 or 18m.. but I think more of it has to do with putting pressure on owner Arison who has been a bit cheap the last few years. Every owner in the damn NBA would pay any amount of luxury tax to have the big 3 and especially Lebron on their team. Arison needs to understand that he'll have to pay this year if he wants his golden boy Lebron to stay.

[west_tip]

could you imagine free agents in a meeting with Riley and that dork Spo? Especially when they don't have the luxury of telling them LBJ is back?

Seriously, Spo must the only coach in the history of the league who has won two rings and whose presence would bring zero leverage to the negotiation table.

He's just a crash test dummy who rode talent to a championship.

[Blue&Orange]

Lebron will let Riley get some guys in and then sign a deal with what is left of the cap. The whole max thing is fake.

And I'm pretty sure Lebron is on the phone reassuring guys he'll be back.
:lol

Gotta love the sound of lebronstans minds shattering.

[Byobob]

:roll: I called this, Lebron coming to knicks or going to cleveland

Wade curled up in fetal position, crying, losing hope, watching finals 2006 on vhs and singing the tune to "I dreamed a dream"


No love for STATUTORY? This is gold. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DukeDelonte13]

Seriously, Spo must the only coach in the history of the league who has won two rings and whose presence would bring zero leverage to the negotiation table.

He's just a crash test dummy who rode talent to a championship.


I think even heat fans have to agree with that.

[JohnFreeman]

Wade :facepalm

[Duggrr]

Just stay in the East, please.

[ReturnofJPR]

LeBron's like:

"So, this is what it feels like to be Delonte West."

[magnax1]

Dat loyalty.

[bagelred]

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That's Wade and Bosh getting off the phone with Lebron.

[bagelred]

Yeesh, I just realized this is bad for "Melo staying with Knicks". Now Lebron/Melo will explore new options.

[CelticBaller]

Wade being a greedy bitch :oldlol:

[BlackVVaves]

All of you proclaiming "Bron to _____ just wait on it watch" are going to be looking real silly with that feces falling out your mouth when all three re-sign with Miami.

He's not going anywhere. Smokescreen for the impressionable, AKA 80% of ISH.

[gts]

As per his last three tweets...


is that he real Wojo or the fake account.. look carefully both look verified if your careless

edit thats the real one

[magic chiongson]

Lakers could just sign melo, bran, bosh and wade. why not? :confusedshrug: TWC is paying them that paper and lakers have ton of bandwagon fans as it is.

do it mitch

[Rubio2Gasol]

Bosh to the Nets.

[jzek]

Damn, he did Wade dirty.

Good. Wade did LeBron dirty by being non-existent these past two years...

[Heavincent]

Good. Wade did LeBron dirty by being non-existent these past two years...

What about 2011?

[DaSeba5]

Seriously, Spo must the only coach in the history of the league who has won two rings and whose presence would bring zero leverage to the negotiation table.

He's just a crash test dummy who rode talent to a championship.

Spo is a good coach and his explanation of how they were going to use Allen in their offense was the final piece in bringing him here. He's not a moron and plenty of people respect him.

[DaSeba5]

This sounds like a bunch of BS. Just throwing shit at the wall hoping it sticks.

[Simple Jack]

The smokescreen argument could be legit. If teams think they can get Bron, they won't pursue other players that the Heat are potentially going after.

[poido123]

Perhaps Wade needing the money to shell out for his baby mommas spread out all over the country?

Need to feed the family :lol

Hilarious watching these greedy fools fighting over something they already have bucket loads of. :hammerhead:

[poido123]

This sounds like a bunch of BS. Just throwing shit at the wall hoping it sticks.


You're hoping it is, but then you read that it is from Woj..

[GimmeThat]

let me break down the communication


Wade - I want 4 yr 60 mil
Bosh - I want 4-5 yrs close to 16-15 per as well

Lebron - *eye contact* you know I want the max


(room goes silent, I wonder how can our salary fit even after we opted out)



seen leaving the meeting with all parties laughing

[outbreak]

The smokescreen argument could be legit. If teams think they can get Bron, they won't pursue other players that the Heat are potentially going after.
but half the guys they wanted have already signed

[coin24]

but half the guys they wanted have already signed

It's too hard for bran stans to understand :lol

There's no more stars to come carry him..:roll:

[TheMan]

Dumbasses opted out already lost guaranteed money. :roll: :roll:
Yeah, Bosh can still get close to what he opted out of with another team but Wade? Dat fool kicking himself right now :oldlol:

[FlawlessVictory]

All of you proclaiming "Bron to _____ just wait on it watch" are going to be looking real silly with that feces falling out your mouth when all three re-sign with Miami.

He's not going anywhere. Smokescreen for the impressionable, AKA 80% of ISH.

I am still like 95% sure this is the case. I was 100% before last night, so it has given some hope to other teams.

[AnaheimLakers24]

heatles dying faster than the beatles :lol

[Xover]

Wade in fetal position, crying, losing hope. rewatching finals 2006 on VHS and reminiscing about the good old days while humming the tune to "I dreamed a dream"

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10225410#post10225410

recycling your own material I see



.

[Im so nba'd out]

Not joking if lebron leaves heat i would legit fear for me life for making wade and bosh give up 40 mil for no reason

[longtime lurker]

The smokescreen argument could be legit. If teams think they can get Bron, they won't pursue other players that the Heat are potentially going after.

What smoke screen? All the big name free agents have resigned . all this unnecessary drama to resign Pau gasol lmao it's not like teams can't negotiate with other free agents while waiting for LeBron

[LeBird]

I agree.

That's the thing, I think he's as good as gone.

It could be conditional.

Pitch: "You're one of the players Lebron has identified as a player he wants on the Heat...so if you join so will he"

Player: "Why hasn't he committed himself?"

Pitch: "Because it is conditional that we get one of those players, that you're included in, before he signs".


I personally do not think he'll take the max, they'll probably leave him something at 17 or 18m.. but I think more of it has to do with putting pressure on owner Arison who has been a bit cheap the last few years. Every owner in the damn NBA would pay any amount of luxury tax to have the big 3 and especially Lebron on their team. Arison needs to understand that he'll have to pay this year if he wants his golden boy Lebron to stay.

This. This is what it is all about.

[-Lebron23-]

These guys are just buying themselves and Riley time to lure free agents. Teams will think twice before throwing their money at Gasol, Deng, Hayward, Ariza or Stephenson if they see a chance of stealing one of Lebron/Wade/Bosh.

[Torious]

These guys are just buying themselves and Riley time to lure free agents. Teams will think twice before throwing their money at Gasol, Deng, Hayward, Ariza or Stephenson if they see a chance of stealing one of Lebron/Wade/Bosh.

No one wants to "steal" this guy for the money he'll be asking for. :lol

[ILLsmak]

The drama of the NBA now is just unreal...

I know (or hope) this is sarcasm, but if I'm a GM I wouldn't chase around LeBron just because of this shit.

It's not even like chasing around the "prettiest" girl as people might make it out to be, but it's like chasing the most manipulative. The one who is trying hardest to come up off of you and gives no**** about you.

-Smak

[Torious]

I know (or hope) this is sarcasm, but if I'm a GM I wouldn't chase around LeBron just because of this shit.

It's not even like chasing around the "prettiest" girl as people might make it out to be, but it's like chasing the most manipulative. The one who is trying hardest to come up off of you and gives no**** about you.

-Smak

She's a f-ing prom queen, though. So you know you want her anyway.

[-Lebron23-]

No one wants to "steal" this guy for the money he'll be asking for. :lol
:sleeping Wade isn't going anywhere but he would definitely get paid somewhere else if he wanted to. Teams are giving guys like Meeks fat contracts, they would surely pay Wade for 2-3 years

[jzek]

No one wants to "steal" this guy for the money he'll be asking for. :lol

Exactly.

Who would want a 13PPG scorer in the Finals who only plays half of games in the regular season with no back to backs! LMAO at "stealing" Wade :oldlol: This is 2014, not 2006

[Haymaker]

stealing one of Lebron/Wade/Bosh.


You mean Riley must be wishing someone stole Wade from him. :roll:

[EwingMan]

Seriously, Spo must the only coach in the history of the league who has won two rings and whose presence would bring zero leverage to the negotiation table.

He's just a crash test dummy who rode talent to a championship.

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[-Lebron23-]

You mean Riley must be wishing someone stole Wade from him. :roll:
Well, it's not looking like they are capable of making better use of that cap space

[EwingMan]

Wade curled up in fetal position, crying, losing hope, watching finals 2006 on vhs and singing the tune to "I dreamed a dream"

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131011151228/lesmiserables/images/d/d8/Les-Miserables-I_Dreamed_a_Dream-Fantine-hathaway.png
http://www.pageqsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dwyane-wade-Sad1.jpg

[-Lebron23-]

I will LMAO if Lebron and Bosh leave and Wade is left in Miami to play with Michael Beasley and Norris Cole :oldlol:

[DukeDelonte13]

I will LMAO if Lebron and Bosh leave and Wade is left in Miami to play with Michael Beasley and Norris Cole :oldlol:

I think Wade might dip out too if Bosh and LBJ signed elsewhere.

[Darius]

Damn if Kobe hadn't been so greedy lakers could be signing Bron and Melo now.

[-Lebron23-]

I think Wade might dip out too if Bosh and LBJ signed elsewhere.
He would have definitely done so in 2010. WHy would he leave now? To ring chase? With 3 rings and a broken body, I think he stays unless someone throws a ridiculous amount of money at him.

[Rubio2Gasol]

This is just disappointing.

[lilgodfather1]

Is everyone finally caught up to the idea that LeBron is returning to Cleveland? Better team, better long term potential, way more flexibility.

[BlazerRed]

I will LMAO if Lebron and Bosh leave and Wade is left in Miami to play with Michael Beasley and Norris Cole :oldlol:
This. Dude just opted out of ****ing 40 million :oldlol:

[choppermagic]

That's the thing though. He knows this is the last contract he'll sign in his prime, he doesn't want to risk playing for a team that's not a contender (to win it all, not just get out of the shit East) I'd imagine.

Signing with Miami would be a big gamble on his part.

I agree. And the longer he hesitates, the less FAs will be on the market to come join him so he'd making it harder on himself. I think he took such a dump on Cleveland last time, he's not getting the same "love-in" he got in his last FA tour. Other teams are making offers and moves without breathlessly waiting on his presence in an interview.

[Lebron23]

Only Lebron deserves max money. If I am the Heat Gm I'll only give the max money to Bosh and Wade if they actually had a great performance in the finals, but they both struggled in that F*cking series.

[-Lebron23-]

Only Lebron deserves max money. If I am the Heat Gm I'll only give the max money to Bosh and Wade if they actually had a great performance in the finals, but they both struggled in that F*cking series.
While I agreee, you know damn well Bosh could get a max or near max from other teams if he seeks it.

[Heatles201]

Only Lebron deserves max money. If I am the Heat Gm I'll only give the max money to Bosh and Wade if they actually had a great performance in the finals, but they both struggled in that F*cking series.

Wade struggled so bad... I seen him ever since he was drafted and thats the first series i see him huffing and puffing after every drive ( like he was tired/ dead legs) or some shit

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: I called this, Lebron coming to knicks or going to cleveland

Wade curled up in fetal position, crying, losing hope, watching finals 2006 on vhs and singing the tune to "I dreamed a dream"

:roll:

STATUTORY :bowdown:

[-Lebron23-]

Wade struggled so bad... I seen him ever since he was drafted and thats the first series i see him huffing and puffing after every drive ( like he was tired/ dead legs) or some shit
Dude was carrying power forward weight out there, of course he was tired. he had no lift, no explosion and no agression on D.

[Flash31]

If none of this is a smokescreen,and LeBron is really having thoughts about leaving
then,wow he must be beyond stupid.

What player leaves a team that made the Finals 4 Straight and won 2 Straight?
What player leaves a team that's a near lock to get to the Finals every year and is a championship favorite?

That person has got to be by far the most disloyal,Extreme Frontrunning,Delusional,Hypocritical,Bitchmade players ever
bc what this is saying is that player can only be on a team if it's a near guarantee they win every year and he takes all the credit.


Seriously,what person in their mind thinks hmm
4 Straight Finals----nah,there's better options out there.

I mean I get people want LeBron to leave the Heat and break up the Big 3.I get people want LeBron to their team but this situation wtf is LeBron doing?

The Big 3 and Haslem all Opted out and are friends from what we know.
Wade,LeBron are best friends and yet if it's a smokescreen he's just wasting Miami's time and creating less free agents that could come to Miami.But if not,
just what is his play?

Imagine if say Jordan,Bill Russell,Larry Bird,Magic went I'm going to explore my options for other teams after being in the Finals Multiple Times.

Either LeBron better sign with Miami at a discount along with Wade,Bosh bc
if he gets Max,the team can't improve much and all this talk about "carrying the load,wear and tear,winning above all" mean jack bc it's back to 2011.
Or,LeBron leaves and Miami can fill out their roster and do what is needed rather than being left with scraps to add bc LeBron couldn't decide or didn't want to then.

Either way,this is one of the biggest,arrogant,most self serving moves.
By not making a decision he's causing Miami to lose potential Free Agents and other teams to pick them up meaning he's leaving or really fn stupid.

[gts]

^Good thoughts/questions Flash31, lot's of odd happening in Miami

My thoughts are they're all re-signing they just wanted to give the front office time to go after some free agents then when they have those players on board the big three will adjust their salary demands to fit.. That being said Riles hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire when it comes to getting free agents to the negotiating table.

[2swift4u]

^Good thoughts/questions Flash31, lot's of odd happening in Miami

My thoughts are they're all re-signing they just wanted to give the front office time to go after some free agents then when they have those players on board the big three will adjust their salary demands to fit.. That being said Riles hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire when it comes to getting free agents to the negotiating table.

I agree. Of course Lebron not making his mind up doesn't help but Riley hasn't even tried to get a good player so far. Even if it seems wrong to leave a team that has been to 4 finals in a row we all could see that the team kinda fell apart last year due to age and Wade's injuries. Therefore I would think about signing somewhere else too if I was Lebron. Anyway, I still think he'll stay in Miami.

[Flash31]

^Good thoughts/questions Flash31, lot's of odd happening in Miami

My thoughts are they're all re-signing they just wanted to give the front office time to go after some free agents then when they have those players on board the big three will adjust their salary demands to fit.. That being said Riles hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire when it comes to getting free agents to the negotiating table.


That's the problem right there.
How are free agents going to sign if there's no commitment from the Big 3 and no set salary for them either.

The free agents right now do not even know that the Big 3 are staying and how much can they get and who else will be on the team.

It's like selling the Lakers without Kobe and no set salary in place.

Like ok you want to join the Heat---
we might or might not have the Big 3 and they might take up 40-60 million of the cap space so we can offer you the minimum to 10 mill
and we might or might not sign other free agents
What do ya say?

The heat can't offer anything to a free agent bc well they do have 55 million in cap space but how much of that goes to Big 3 or 2 or what and what's left and who else is on the team.
So Riley is basically going selling free agents on the City of Miami,Heat Organization with absolutely 0 knowledge of how much they can offer and who will be on the team.

So,the Longer LeBron delays the less free agents are available bc theyre not waiting for Miami to make an offer if they can take deals before then that are beneficial to them and might not be there when Miami can do anything.

If the Big 3 sign now ok
You have the Big 3,this much cap space and can sign for this much And you have this core in place.
Like this,the Miami Heat can't do anything until they know with LeBron,Wade,Bosh an what they sign for

so LeBron delying is either really fn stupid or he's leaving.

[lilgodfather1]

That's the problem right there.
How are free agents going to sign if there's no commitment from the Big 3 and no set salary for them either.

The free agents right now do not even know that the Big 3 are staying and how much can they get and who else will be on the team.

It's like selling the Lakers without Kobe and no set salary in place.

Like ok you want to join the Heat---
we might or might not have the Big 3 and they might take up 40-60 million of the cap space so we can offer you the minimum to 10 mill
and we might or might not sign other free agents
What do ya say?

The heat can't offer anything to a free agent bc well they do have 55 million in cap space but how much of that goes to Big 3 or 2 or what and what's left and who else is on the team.
So Riley is basically going selling free agents on the City of Miami,Heat Organization with absolutely 0 knowledge of how much they can offer and who will be on the team.

So,the Longer LeBron delays the less free agents are available bc theyre not waiting for Miami to make an offer if they can take deals before then that are beneficial to them and might not be there when Miami can do anything.

If the Big 3 sign now ok
You have the Big 3,this much cap space and can sign for this much And you have this core in place.
Like this,the Miami Heat can't do anything until they know with LeBron,Wade,Bosh an what they sign for

so LeBron delying is either really fn stupid or he's leaving.
This is exactly what LeBron did to Cleveland. Ariza was going to play for the Cavs, but LeBron wouldn't commit. No commitment, and you scrape the barrel for bottom feeders.

As great as LeBron is, he is a moron when it comes to offseason tactics.

[SpecialQue]

If this is a smokescreen, it's gotta be the most idiotic, self-defeating smokescreen in NBA history. What can the Heat possibly gain by making the Big 3 resigning uncertain?

[TheMan]

I'm truly baffled by what LeBron is doing. The best FAs are already gone, the two guys most thought the Heat were interested in, Lowry and Gortat, seem to have never even been in play for the Heat. Meanwhile, the more uncertainty LeBron creates with his 'is he gonna leave or re-sign with Miami' routine, the less likely they'll get FAs who would be real difference makers. If it's a smoke screen like some have suggested, it hasn't stopped the majority of teams from courting the more sought after FAs.

In the end, LeBron will re-sign with Miami (only Cleveland IMO has a real shot at taking him away), but this uncertainty he created when he didn't declare right off the bat his intentions of staying in Miami, will have really limited Riley's chances at getting legit players for their roster. It'll be the same formula, the Big 3 plus old role players on their last legs. Problem is, aside from LeBron, Bosh and especially Wade have regressed from previous years. It used to be that the Big 3 were so good, they only needed the role players to contribute somewhat and that was enough. Now the Big 3 aren't as dominant and they need role players to contribute more and, well, we say the disastrous results in the last Finals.

[gts]

Lets keep in mind it's only been 4 days.. not even 4 really but lets say 4 days since free agency began..

We'll see as it plays out but I'm still having a hard time buying the Heat and it's free agents don't have a plan in place... It would be so out of character for Riley to go into this offseason blind and love them or hate them the big 3 have never struck me as being idiots

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm truly baffled by what LeBron is doing. The best FAs are already gone, the two guys most thought the Heat were interested in, Lowry and Gortat, seem to have never even been in play for the Heat. Meanwhile, the more uncertainty LeBron creates with his 'is he gonna leave or re-sign with Miami' routine, the less likely they'll get FAs who would be real difference makers. If it's a smoke screen like some have suggested, it hasn't stopped the majority of teams from courting the more sought after FAs.

In the end, LeBron will re-sign with Miami (only Cleveland IMO has a real shot at taking him away), but this uncertainty he created when he didn't declare right off the bat his intentions of staying in Miami, will have really limited Riley's chances at getting legit players for their roster. It'll be the same formula, the Big 3 plus old role players on their last legs. Problem is, aside from LeBron, Bosh and especially Wade have regressed from previous years. It used to be that the Big 3 were so good, they only needed the role players to contribute somewhat and that was enough. Now the Big 3 aren't as dominant and they need role players to contribute more and, well, we say the disastrous results in the last Finals.


You JUST SAID the best FAs are already gone... Why not exploit options and move from this shit team? Never seen a worse one-man-band in the finals my god

[Heavincent]

What is this smokescreen that people are referring to?

Fans assume that good GM's ALWAYS have some kind of master plan that is guaranteed to work. Even great basketball minds like Riley have their fair share of blunders and failed plans (Michael Beasley anyone?). Sometimes shit just doesn't work out the way it was supposed to.

That said, I think Lebron ends up back with Miami. He's not going to jump ship AGAIN, is he? I would honestly be shocked.

[DukeDelonte13]

Lets keep in mind it's only been 4 days.. not even 4 really but lets say 4 days since free agency began..

We'll see as it plays out but I'm still having a hard time buying the Heat and it's free agents don't have a plan in place... It would be so out of character for Riley to go into this offseason blind and love them or hate them the big 3 have never struck me as being idiots


it's beyond riley, much like it was beyond Danny Ferry. Lebron is going to do what Lebron is going to do.



Lebron is non committal, this causes the Heat problems in FA negotiations because they won't know how much they can really offer players until they know how much Bosh and Wade are going to make. They won't know that unitl Lebron commits.

[Flash31]

I'm truly baffled by what LeBron is doing. The best FAs are already gone, the two guys most thought the Heat were interested in, Lowry and Gortat, seem to have never even been in play for the Heat. Meanwhile, the more uncertainty LeBron creates with his 'is he gonna leave or re-sign with Miami' routine, the less likely they'll get FAs who would be real difference makers. If it's a smoke screen like some have suggested, it hasn't stopped the majority of teams from courting the more sought after FAs.

In the end, LeBron will re-sign with Miami (only Cleveland IMO has a real shot at taking him away), but this uncertainty he created when he didn't declare right off the bat his intentions of staying in Miami, will have really limited Riley's chances at getting legit players for their roster. It'll be the same formula, the Big 3 plus old role players on their last legs. Problem is, aside from LeBron, Bosh and especially Wade have regressed from previous years. It used to be that the Big 3 were so good, they only needed the role players to contribute somewhat and that was enough. Now the Big 3 aren't as dominant and they need role players to contribute more and, well, we say the disastrous results in the last Finals.


Exactly,just what the hell is LeBron doing?
He's not really pressuring The Heat FO to make moves bc they can't with the Big 3 uncertainty.
And if he wants max on the Heat,then he'll just cripple the Heat flexibility an the Big 3 will have to play like the Best players in the league each to win the Finals.

I mean,this year the Heat were basically shellshocked either by complacency,age,wear and tear or bc they finally got challenged.
In 2013,they started off coasting but then went on a treak being challenged like it was Game 7 Finals every game and had resistance and challenges in the playoffs.
This year,they coasted to 2nd Place and Almost First--Coasted to almost 1st,
Then they dispatched the East with ease.

I mean the Bobcats continously fed it to the post,then perimeter so easy to stop.
The Nets played th perimeter game and their old players just couldn't hang long.

The Pacers were by far one of the worst passing teams,had a very weak,shaky backcourt all playing into Miamis strengths and Hibbert "AllStat" had by far one of the worst postseason averages across the board along with LS having a contract year and internal conflicts.

Then they meet up with the 2nd Best Team in the League,The Best Passing Team,The 2nd most efficient team that plays as a whole team 1-13 and doesn't really have many weaknesses and is a faster,more efficient team than they ever played.
The Het couldn't key in on one guy or the backcourt or front.
They couldn't sag off of anyone and everybody was live and could shoot,pass,make the right play and with Heats PG play being garbage and Allen&Battier&Haslem&Rashard backing up
Wade,LeBron,Bosh it wasn't going to go well if the Heat Big 3 didn't play as the 3 Best Players in that series.

Now,regardless if they made the Finals 4 Straight,The Heat NEED production from their bench and everyone else not just Big 3 bc they can't just rely on those 3 to win every game-----
OKC,Hou,LAC is in an example of why that does Not Work.


So,regardless of how this plays out,if LeBron is leaving or staying,
then make it known otherwise you're either screwing over the Heats free agency or other potential teams and the way it's going will piss everybody off with how it's handled if he leaves bc he's delaying and waiting till the Last Day.

Though on that point,just who the hell would leave a team that made 4 Straight Finals and go---hmm maybe there's better options or even think about it.
Either your team reloads and can add and make the team even better or as soon as your team gets older or struggles you bounce causing you to be hated by a league majority.

Imagine what other teams are thinking---If LeBron is willing to leave a team that made 4 Straight Finals and had 2 other All Stars,just how can we trust him.
You can't really Build Around LeBron bc he said hes tired of carrying the load and you can't sign long term contracts bc he might leave and rookies can't get it done,and if he leaves,you become Cle post-LeBron so what do they do?


WTF is he doing?Wade&Bosh aren't signing until they know what he's doing.
Heat FO CAN'T Sign anyone until they know about the Big 3,so wTF?

[MavsSuperFan]

why would wade opt out?:facepalm
He is so dumb.

Lebron stretched his ass

[LBJ 23]

WTF is he doing?



Going back to Cleveland. Mark my words.

[Torious]

why would wade opt out?:facepalm
He is so dumb.

Lebron stretched his ass

When bran signs somewhere else Wade will be like:

"Haha, I was just kidding, Pat! See? I glued the thing together again, see you in training camp!"

[TheMan]

You JUST SAID the best FAs are already gone... Why not exploit options and move from this shit team? Never seen a worse one-man-band in the finals my god
Well, LeBron didn't help Riley's cause by opting out and not declaring his intentions of staying. He could've easily said, 'yes, I'm re-signing, we'll work out the exact numbers later".

There are a few FAs still available, Melo is staying in NY, as a Bull fan, I never really thought he was serious in considering Chicago. Gasol, but he's not the same player he was 3-4 years ago. Deng is out there too but he doesn't want a pay cut to join the Heat. If Riley is trolling us, would love to see what big FA signing he could come up with, with what's available.

[DMAVS41]

If Lebron ends up signing back with the Heat...this has to be one of the dumbest possible strategies for getting more help I've ever seen.

It's amazing how this has been handled by Lebron/Wade/Bosh and the Heat so far.

[MavsSuperFan]

I'm truly baffled by what LeBron is doing. The best FAs are already gone, the two guys most thought the Heat were interested in, Lowry and Gortat, seem to have never even been in play for the Heat. Meanwhile, the more uncertainty LeBron creates with his 'is he gonna leave or re-sign with Miami' routine, the less likely they'll get FAs who would be real difference makers. If it's a smoke screen like some have suggested, it hasn't stopped the majority of teams from courting the more sought after FAs.

In the end, LeBron will re-sign with Miami (only Cleveland IMO has a real shot at taking him away), but this uncertainty he created when he didn't declare right off the bat his intentions of staying in Miami, will have really limited Riley's chances at getting legit players for their roster. It'll be the same formula, the Big 3 plus old role players on their last legs. Problem is, aside from LeBron, Bosh and especially Wade have regressed from previous years. It used to be that the Big 3 were so good, they only needed the role players to contribute somewhat and that was enough. Now the Big 3 aren't as dominant and they need role players to contribute more and, well, we say the disastrous results in the last Finals.
Either Lebron isnt that smart or he is leaving

[bluechox2]

they had irving on the market,couldof droped wade to the mle level and signed irving and lebron to a max

[gts]

Well, LeBron didn't help Riley's cause by opting out and not declaring his intentions of staying.


He did declare his intentions.. he said he wanted a max contract and a better supporting cast.. Now the ball is in everyone else's court... So far reps from a few teams have met with his agent. This is time for Miami's FO to step up and start negotiations or state their intentions.. Lebron's in Europe, Riley is talking to free agents it'll all start to fall in place in the next 2 weeks

[MavsSuperFan]

After Lebron screwed his best friend out of $40 million in guaranteed money, can we honestly still call him a great teammate and loyal?

[BlackVVaves]

What is this smokescreen that people are referring to?

Fans assume that good GM's ALWAYS have some kind of master plan that is guaranteed to work. Even great basketball minds like Riley have their fair share of blunders and failed plans (Michael Beasley anyone?). Sometimes shit just doesn't work out the way it was supposed to.

That said, I think Lebron ends up back with Miami. He's not going to jump ship AGAIN, is he? I would honestly be shocked.

There are so many posters on ISH that share in this blind faith is hilarious :oldlol:

[Rubio2Gasol]

After Lebron screwed his best friend out of $40 million in guaranteed money, can we honestly still call him a great teammate and loyal?

Who calls him loyal :biggums:

[mehyaM24]

the nerve of these jordan jockers. :oldlol: at acting like MJ would beat this Spurs team in LBJ's shoes, not with the amount of jacking up shots he took to win a lot of those titles and getting bailed out by Rodman, Grant and Pippen in every facet of the game outside of scoring. face it idiots, he never came close to sniffing LBJ's efficiency in this series at any point of his finals career unless you want to include him beating that injured Laker team in '91 which wasn't on par with any of their title teams in the 80s.

bosh and especially wade are all but done. he owes them nothing.

[Done_And_Done]

the nerve of these jordan jockers. :oldlol: at acting like MJ would beat this Spurs team in LBJ's shoes, not with the amount of jacking up shots he took to win a lot of those titles and getting bailed out by Rodman, Grant and Pippen in every facet of the game outside of scoring. face it idiots, he never came close to sniffing LBJ's efficiency in this series at any point of his finals career unless you want to include him beating that injured Laker team in '91 which wasn't on par with any of their title teams in the 80s.

bosh and especially wade are all but done. he owes them nothing.

Riiiiigggggggght.

Because let's act like all Michael did on the court was score.

[mehyaM24]

Riiiiigggggggght.

Because let's act like all Michael did on the court was score.

lol

you put Pippen, Rodman or Grant around Lebron in the watered down 90s, and he could win 6 rings too. don't forget when Lebron left Cavs in 2010, they dropped 42 games worse, MJ only 2 games. not all that 42 games was because of Lebron, but still...better than 2 games (bulls without jordan in 1994)

[gts]

lol

you put Pippen, Rodman or Grant around Lebron in the watered down 90s, and he could win 6 rings too. don't forget when Lebron left Cavs in 2010, they dropped 42 games worse, MJ only 2 games. not all that 42 games was because of Lebron, but still better than 2 games (bulls without jordan in 1994)

Horrible comparison

Bulls stayed intact minus Jordan knowing he'd be back
Cavs torn apart after James left knowing he was gone for good

[bdreason]

LeBron is just stalling so the Heat have a better chance at signing players while other teams wait to see what he does.

[oh the horror]

lol

you put Pippen, Rodman or Grant around Lebron in the watered down 90s, and he could win 6 rings too. don't forget when Lebron left Cavs in 2010, they dropped 42 games worse, MJ only 2 games. not all that 42 games was because of Lebron, but still...better than 2 games (bulls without jordan in 1994)



Bro thank god you're behind a keyboard. You should be slapped right now.



Not even punched. But slapped for the things you post.

[mehyaM24]

Horrible comparison

Bulls stayed intact minus Jordan knowing he'd be back
Cavs torn apart after James left knowing he was gone for good

the bulls never knew jordan would come back. nice try, mythologist.


Bro thank god you're behind a keyboard. You should be slapped right now.



Not even punched. But slapped for the things you post.

right, but you wouldnt be the one to do it. you're the most fragile poster here. :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

LeBron is just stalling so the Heat have a better chance at signing players while other teams wait to see what he does.

How does this make sense?

What players are you talking about?

Reports are that the Hawks are close to Deng...and Gasol seems to be getting intrigued by both the Thunder and Phil in NY...

Ariza would be fantastic, but is he really giving up that much money?

Without a commitment from Lebron staying in Miami...negotiations become absurdly hard for Riley to convince players to take less

[Lamar Odumbb]

LeBron is just stalling so the Heat have a better chance at signing players while other teams wait to see what he does.

It looks more like Lebron is a chicken sh.it who doesnt have confidence in his ability so he is waiting for another player to team up.

The dude is transparent and anyone can clearly see why he wants a 1-2 year max deal with Miami so he can team up with Durant or Melo in NY.

[Parps]

How much cap space to the Cavs have?

[bdreason]

How does this make sense?

What players are you talking about?

Reports are that the Hawks are close to Deng...and Gasol seems to be getting intrigued by both the Thunder and Phil in NY...

Ariza would be fantastic, but is he really giving up that much money?

Without a commitment from Lebron staying in Miami...negotiations become absurdly hard for Riley to convince players to take less


Cavs, Lakers, Suns, Rockets, Mavs... all teams with significant cap room that aren't signing players because they think they might have a shot at LeBron. Once LeBron and/or Melo are off the map, the rest of the FA market is going to dry up quickly, as all these teams will be clamoring to overpay whoever is left.

[russwest0]

All I'm gonna say is thank god Durant isn't a bitch for OKC like LeBron has been for both Cleveland and now the Heat.

Really makes you respect other stars more seeing LeBron pull this shit

[D-Rose]

All I'm gonna say is thank god Durant isn't a bitch for OKC like LeBron has been for both Cleveland and now the Heat.

Really makes you respect other stars more seeing LeBron pull this shit
We have not seen Durant become an unrestricted free agent yet... LeBron was just as loyal to Cleveland at the same point in his career that Durant is now with OKC.

We'll see when 15 teams are lined up in 2016 for Durant. :cheers:

[dubeta]

All I'm gonna say is thank god Durant isn't a bitch for OKC like LeBron has been for both Cleveland and now the Heat.

Really makes you respect other stars more seeing LeBron pull this shit

Didnt Durant agree with LeBron? :oldlol:

http://www.givemesport.com/479895-kevin-durant-agrees-with-lebron-james-free-agency-move
Sorry but your boy is planning to jump ship soon

[PJR]

All I'm gonna say is thank god Durant isn't a bitch for OKC like LeBron has been for both Cleveland and now the Heat.

Really makes you respect other stars more seeing LeBron pull this shit

Lol. You just wait until 2016 clown.

[russwest0]

Lol. You just wait until 2016 clown.

Yeah, I'm sure he won't be demanding that Westbrook and Ibaka opt out and each take 10-15M a year and then "wait" for talented free agents to sign to an empty OKC team and then when it appears they aren't signing suddenly have a "breakdown in communication" with the players that have battled with him nearly his whole career.

What LeBron is doing is a bitch move, period. It's just not that big of a deal in the media because this isn't the first time we've seen him act like this.

[aj1987]

Yeah, I'm sure he won't be demanding that Westbrook and Ibaka opt out and each take 10-15M a year and then "wait" for talented free agents to sign to an empty OKC team and then when it appears they aren't signing suddenly have a "breakdown in communication" with the players that have battled with him nearly his whole career.

What LeBron is doing is a bitch move, period. It's just not that big of a deal in the media because this isn't the first time we've seen him act like this.
Why the **** would KD demand that WB and Ibaka "opt-out"? Also, those two don't have opt-out clauses in their contract, moron. Not to mention the fact that WB is one of the best PG's in the league and in his prime. Ibaka is a better PF than Bosh and neither of them are even close to hitting their peaks. Still a couple of years away.

[Artillery]

What LeBron is doing is a bitch move, period. It's just not that big of a deal in the media because this isn't the first time we've seen him act like this.

Getting outplayed by the number two option on your team is even more of a bitch move. Westbrook looked like the real superstar on the Thunder in these playoffs. KD played like a rich man's Kevin Martin.

[AnaheimLakers24]

bran taking l's in this thread. even from bran stans. how quickly they turn on him :)

[Artillery]

The miscommunication stuff is being exaggerated by the media. Off-season is very slow this time of year so sports writers will come up with anything to stir up gossip. Just kick back and enjoy the world cup. NBA season doesn't start for a while.

[russwest0]

Getting outplayed by the number two option on your team is even more of a bitch move. Westbrook looked like the real superstar on the Thunder in these playoffs. KD played like a rich man's Kevin Martin.

Post the stats :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[DMAVS41]

Cavs, Lakers, Suns, Rockets, Mavs... all teams with significant cap room that aren't signing players because they think they might have a shot at LeBron. Once LeBron and/or Melo are off the map, the rest of the FA market is going to dry up quickly, as all these teams will be clamoring to overpay whoever is left.

Meh...there aren't a plethora of high impact free agents out there that those teams are giving up on to look at Melo or Lebron.

[D-Rose]

Meh...there aren't a plethora of high impact free agents out there that those teams are giving up on to look at Melo or Lebron.
It seems a lot of the value guys left (Gasol, Deng, Parsons) are just waiting on LBJ/Melo chips to fall anyway.

Teams will move on to the RFA as well once they strike out on the UFA.

[Spaulding]

It seems a lot of the value guys left (Gasol, Deng, Parsons) are just waiting on LBJ/Melo chips to fall anyway.

Teams will move on to the RFA as well once they strike out on the UFA.

Deng going to Hawks.

[Artillery]

Post the stats :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

2014 Playoffs:

PER:
24.9 - Westbrook
22.6 - Durant

WS/48:
.166 - Westbrook
.145 - Durant

ORtg:
111 - Westbrook
110 - Durant

DRtg:
107 - Westbrook
108 - Durant

Westbrook was clearly better in the playoffs. Still, they both pale in comparison to Lebron. I won't even post LBJ's numbers since he puts them both to shame.

[russwest0]

Can you imagine Westbrook or Durant vs the Bobcats, Nets, and Pacers

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Westbrook demolished Parker, Paul, and Conley who all had Gasol, Jordan, and Duncan protecting the paint, I'd love to see him vs those teams

[Nash]

Can you imagine Westbrook or Durant vs the Bobcats, Nets, and Pacers

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Westbrook demolished Parker, Paul, and Conley who all had Gasol, Jordan, and Duncan protecting the paint, I'd love to see him vs those teams
can you imagine durant winning a championship? nope, neither can I

[Artillery]

Can you imagine Westbrook or Durant vs the Bobcats, Nets, and Pacers

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Westbrook demolished Parker, Paul, and Conley who all had Gasol, Jordan, and Duncan protecting the paint, I'd love to see him vs those teams

:oldlol: Lebron put up better numbers against the Spurs than either one of Chuckbrook or Durbeta.

How about the last time he went head-to-head against the Thunder in the playoffs? Gentleman's sweep in 2012.

[Artillery]

can you imagine durant winning a championship? nope, neither can I

Rich man's Kevin Martin will never win a title.

[russwest0]

:oldlol: Lebron put up better numbers against the Spurs

You mean in the series where he let Kawhi Leonard go apeshit, did nothing while the game was in the balance, and then statpadded an assload vs the Spurs 2nd unit?

Lets go LeBron! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[D-Rose]

Deng going to Hawks.
It hasn't been confirmed or reported anywhere. Some ISH poster just decided to make that the title of the thread...all it was is that Deng has talk to ATL...as he has talked to others.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Deng going to Hawks.
:lol

[dubeta]

Rich man's Kevin Martin will never win a title.

*poor man's Kevin Martin

Kmart doesnt get locked down by Chris Paul

[Artillery]

You mean in the series where he let Kawhi Leonard go apeshit, did nothing while the game was in the balance, and then statpadded an assload vs the Spurs 2nd unit?

Lets go LeBron! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

What the hell are you bragging about? Thunder got raped too. Spurs had an average 21 point margin of victory in their four wins against OKC.

[SpecialQue]

can you imagine durant winning a championship? nope, neither can I

That's your comeback Pauk? You're slippin.

[BrainDead]

I hope Lebron goes back to Cleveland. It seems like a perfect fit. He would love it there......and Cleveland would be a great place to raise his children.

Do the right thing Lebron. So many people are counting on you.

[PickernRoller]

That's your comeback Pauk? You're slippin.

He slipped a long time ago where you been? :lol

[knicksman]

Rich man's Kevin Martin will never win a title.

LOL more like rich mans miller while bran is rich mans iverson. If not for cheating bran would be ringless but what did I expect from beta bran stans. Willing to settle for cheap rings just like theyre willing to work in Mcdonalds. :lol