Woj: Melo aligned with Knicks plan after meeting in LA

[D-Rose]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--after-meeting-with-knicks--carmelo-anthony-aligned-with-team-s-plans-184612252.html


All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony probed New York Knicks management on the franchise's plan to restore a contending roster and left his final free-agency meeting largely aligned with president Phil Jackson's vision, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

[QUOTE]Anthony had direct questions for Jackson and coach Derek Fisher during a Thursday meeting in Los Angeles, and Anthony's increased confidence with the Knicks' direction

[mehyaM24]

phil and fisher have GOAT basketball minds.

knicks will be a championship contender within 2 years. book it.

[STATUTORY]

Just reputation damage control, all melo cared about is the dollar amount. He don't give a damn about winning, hoped knicks would move on from him

[Hotlantadude81]

The Knicks are nowhere close to being a good team. He is just taking the money it appears.

[Lamar Odumbb]

This is not only bad news for the Lakers, its even worse for the Bulls and Rockets because they would be true contenders next year.

Add to that Pau will bolt to OKC which means Spurs road to a repeat got even harder. Imagine going through Clippers, OKC and then possibly Miami.

[no pun intended]

Not surprising at all, considering how Lala would want to stay in NY.

[Meticode]

The Knicks are nowhere close to being a good team. He is just taking the money it appears.
He probably feels the money is worth it to trust in Phil Jackson. That and the fact he likes New York. If Jackson wasn't there and the Knicks were in shambles like they were last year, he'd probably be more inclined to leave.

[D-Rose]

Just reputation damage control, all melo cared about is the dollar amount. He don't give a damn about winning, hoped knicks would move on from him
He's a Top 10 player in the league, and best Knick since Ewing :confusedshrug:

Also, if Phil and co want to make compelling FA pitches in 2015/16, they will need a superstar already on the books. He's their guy. He can help recruit the stars.

[Milbuck]

This is not only bad news for the Lakers, its even worse for the Bulls and Rockets because they would be true contenders next year.

Add to that Pau will bolt to OKC which means Spurs road to a repeat got even harder. Imagine going through Clippers, OKC and then possibly Miami.
Bulls and Rockets will be fine next year with or without him.

[STATUTORY]

He's a Top 10 player in the league, and best Knick since Ewing :confusedshrug:

Also, if Phil and co want to make compelling FA pitches in 2015/16, they will need a superstar already on the books. He's their guy. He can help recruit the stars.
The stars melo would be able to recruit would all be losers. Birds of the same feather flock together, there's a reason melo has played with jr, Kenyon Martin, ai all his career, they are all thug wannabes

[Im so nba'd out]

129 mill in 5 years......JESUS CHRIST thats a lot of money for 5 years of work no way you turn that down melo....FK a championship get that check G

[Inferno]

I'm taking 130 mil and New York over 70 mil and Chicago :confusedshrug:

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I'm taking 130 mil and New York over 70 mil and Chicago :confusedshrug:

Yeah, me too. Not the best basketball fit but whatever, he'll still be a Knick legend and make big money.

[Draz]

Money talks, go figure.

[Dengness9]

I'm taking 130 mil and New York over 70 mil and Chicago :confusedshrug:

The thing is, if he really wanted to go to Chicago he could eventually force a S&T and get right around the 4 year 96 max.

He just wants the money and To stay in NYC.

Can't wait for the Bulls to whoop the shit out of the Knicks next season.

Bulls are still amnesting Booz and getting at least 11 mil to spend.

Bulls will target Love and possibly Stephenson. Mirotic negotiations are happening now as well since he's bought out from Madrid.

Bulls are still good just wanted Melo terribly.

[Draz]

Just reputation damage control, all melo cared about is the dollar amount. He don't give a damn about winning, hoped knicks would move on from him
And rebuild from scratch? That's the only thing to do if they want to move on from him. Considering there's Phil and Fisher I figured that wouldn't be excluded as an option. But, they loured a franchise player in and it make sense to build around him.

[Milbuck]

The thing is, if he really wanted to go to Chicago he could eventually force a S&T and get right around the 4 year 96 max.

He just wants the money and To stay in NYC.

Can't wait for the Bulls to whoop the shit out of the Knicks next season.

Bulls are still amnesting Booz and getting at least 11 mil to spend.

Bulls will target Love and possibly Stephenson. Mirotic negotiations are happening now as well since he's bought out from Madrid.

Bulls are still good just wanted Melo terribly.
Pretty much this, especially the bolded.

The UC is going to rip Melo apart.

[Hey Yo]

The Knicks are nowhere close to being a good team. He is just taking the money it appears.
When you no longer have Ray "fatty" Felton as your starting PG, your team has gotten better.

[NuggetsFan]

Yeah I'll be shocked if he leaves NY. All that money, plus he loves NYC obviously. Has a family, his wife is really content there. Throw in Phil Jackson and if the Knicks can even give him a little hope I don't see him leaving.

[Dengness9]

When you no longer have Ray "fatty" Felton as your starting PG, your team has gotten better.

Let's be real guys. Calderon is better than Felton but getting old. Chandler is better than Dalembert but also on the decline.


That trade didn't really make the Knicks better by much even if you rid yourself of Felton bc now you have a weaker center if Dalembert even makes the team.

[Hey Yo]

The thing is, if he really wanted to go to Chicago he could eventually force a S&T and get right around the 4 year 96 max.

He just wants the money and To stay in NYC.

Can't wait for the Bulls to whoop the shit out of the Knicks next season.

Bulls are still amnesting Booz and getting at least 11 mil to spend.

Bulls will target Love and possibly Stephenson. Mirotic negotiations are happening now as well since he's bought out from Madrid.

Bulls are still good just wanted Melo terribly.
He's a free agent right now. He can't force anything. The Knicks don't have to sign him just for the sake of trading him. What do the Bulls have that the Knicks would want? Melo's not going to go there after if Gibson and Butler are gone.

[Dengness9]

He's a free agent right now. He can't force anything. The Knicks don't have to sign him just for the sake of trading him. What do the Bulls have that the Knicks would want? Melo's not going to go there after if Gibson and Butler are gone.


You don't know how the league works then. Stars always get what they want.

And bulls have so much the Knicks would want if Melo was leaving them for good.

Rights to Mirotic(coming this year), McDermott, Bulls 15' pick Or future firsts. Bulls also have a Cavs and Kings 1st rounder, and Tony Snell.

That's some good assets without even mention Butler or Taj. All cheap don't affect the 2O15 cap space hardly too.

[gts]

Melo's not going to go there after if Gibson and Butler are gone.

Nuggets fans said the same thing. "he won't go if the Knicks are going to gut their roster to bring him to NY"

to the Wojo tidbit...So he's aligned but not enough to tell the Knicks he's on board. this sounds like it came from the NY side of the negotiations

[Roundball_Rock]

He's a Top 10 player in the league, and best Knick since Ewing :confusedshrug:

Also, if Phil and co want to make compelling FA pitches in 2015/16, they will need a superstar already on the books. He's their guy. He can help recruit the stars.

The problem is the Knicks have been banking on a future savior FA since 2007 or 2008, when they went into the tank hoping to land LeBron...the last time they saved up to make a run at free agents they got the #4 or #5 most sought after FA of 2010, who declined considerably after his first season in New York. Carmelo is 30. The Knicks will not be competitive for at least 2-3 more years. "If" the Knicks finally hit the lottery and the savior Durant in 2016 or Westbrook in 2017 shows up Carmelo will be well out of his prime (the other problem with the Knicks "plan" is it assumes the savior will get them to the promised land. What if they finally get a top FA and the result is the ECF and nothing beyond that? Years of tanking for that? :roll: ). If Carmelo does this he is making a good financial move but ensuring he will be ringless and not remembered as a legend...

Jackson and Fisher are great basketball minds--but Jackson is unproven as a GM and Fisher as a coach. So the Knicks' pitch rests on them proving to be good at their new jobs and the Knicks hitting the jackpot a years from now with Durant, Westbrook, or beyond that X in 2019 or Y in 2021? When do the Knicks stop tanking and start attempting to compete?

[D-Rose]

The problem is the Knicks have been banking on a future savior FA since 2007 or 2008, when they went into the tank hoping to land LeBron...the last time they saved up to make a run at free agents they got the #4 or #5 most sought after FA of 2010, who declined considerably after his first season in New York. Carmelo is 30. The Knicks will not be competitive for at least 2-3 more years. "If" the Knicks finally hit the lottery and the savior Durant in 2016 or Westbrook in 2017 shows up Carmelo will be well out of his prime (the other problem with the Knicks "plan" is it assumes the savior will get them to the promised land. What if they finally get a top FA and the result is the ECF and nothing beyond that? Years of tanking for that? :roll: ). If Carmelo does this he is making a good financial move but ensuring he will be ringless and not remembered as a legend...

Jackson and Fisher are great basketball minds--but Jackson is unproven as a GM and Fisher as a coach. So the Knicks' pitch rests on them proving to be good at their new jobs and the Knicks hitting the jackpot a years from now with Durant, Westbrook, or beyond that X in 2019 or Y in 2021? When do the Knicks stop tanking and start attempting to compete?

I think the biggest difference going forward vs. 2010 is that they already have a superstar on the books this time. I think it makes a world of a difference, look at Wade recruiting his guys. Superstars don't want to go to teams with no other big talent already there for sure.

Also, Phil Jackson is going to be a huge asset in convincing FA to come. I think the Knicks are headed in the right direction.

[el gringos]

The problem is the Knicks have been banking on a future savior FA since 2007 or 2008, when they went into the tank hoping to land LeBron...the last time they saved up to make a run at free agents they got the #4 or #5 most sought after FA of 2010, who declined considerably after his first season in New York. Carmelo is 30. The Knicks will not be competitive for at least 2-3 more years. "If" the Knicks finally hit the lottery and the savior Durant in 2016 or Westbrook in 2017 shows up Carmelo will be well out of his prime (the other problem with the Knicks "plan" is it assumes the savior will get them to the promised land. What if they finally get a top FA and the result is the ECF and nothing beyond that? Years of tanking for that? :roll: ). If Carmelo does this he is making a good financial move but ensuring he will be ringless and not remembered as a legend...

Jackson and Fisher are great basketball minds--but Jackson is unproven as a GM and Fisher as a coach. So the Knicks' pitch rests on them proving to be good at their new jobs and the Knicks hitting the jackpot a years from now with Durant, Westbrook, or beyond that X in 2019 or Y in 2021? When do the Knicks stop tanking and start attempting to compete?
The "Wait for something to fall in your Lap" might not be Phil's plan.


Amare + Hardaway Jr+ Larkin isn't that bad a trade package to a team that wants to start over

[Foster5k]

It all came down to money.

No way does Melo leave that much money on the table to go play with Rose, who doesn't even want to play with him. Not to mention the East is still in limbo depending on what Lebron does.

[Nash]

in one season Knicks will be in a better position than Chicago going into the future with all the cap space that they'll have with amare, bargnani and chandlers contracts off.

Bulls will probably overpay somebody to compensate and will be lead by a huge injury prone question mark named Derrick Rose.

[PP34Deuce]

Thats a lot of coin. Thats essentially his retirement check. Melo is 30. You know LaLa is saying he can retire off that, not to mention his millions in endorsements.

The knicks need a player in waiting by next year. a guy who's 24-25 that can take over when Melo gets to a point of declining. Melo will play 3 great years out o that contract, and have one year where it's allan Houston all over again.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

I am very happy that the Bulls lucked into the #1 overall in 2008 and took Derrick Rose.

Miami was going to draft him but was stuck with Beasley instead at #2.

Beasley may have been a bust, but we could move on from him quickly and built the Big 3 instead.... whereas Rose is injured for years and openly declares he won't recruit anybody for your team and is an anti-social weirdo in general. In 2010, Rose didn't even try to speak to LeBron

[longtime lurker]

Good for Melo if he decides to stay and build a legacy in New York. He's in good hands under Phil's management. Although the hiring of Derek Fisher makes me scratch my head.

[Akrazotile]

Translation: Melo aligned with Knicks plan to give him 5 years 129 mill :D

But yeah, all signs pointing to a reunion.


I never had much doubt hed take the money in New York. He just wanted to feel the recruiting love for a little bit.

[bagelred]

Those group meetings with Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher, and Andrea Bargnani worked it seems.

[Calabis]

phil and fisher have GOAT basketball minds.

knicks will be a championship contender within 2 years. book it.

:roll:

Better hope for another superstar then.

[DMAVS41]

:roll:

Better hope for another superstar then.

They'll get another star and more next summer.

Melo, Fisher, Jackson, and NY will attract a lot of players.

[boozehound]

They'll get another star and more next summer.

Melo, Fisher, Jackson, and NY will attract a lot of players.
I have been hearing this shit (except replace with Thomas, or whoever) for 14 ****ing years. All I hope is you get a beast down low on the block

[longtime lurker]

I have been hearing this shit (except replace with Thomas, or whoever) for 14 ****ing years. All I hope is you get a beast down low on the block

The difference is Phil Jackson actually seems to have a plan and manages to get draft picks instead of trading them away. He could still move Calderon, Jr Smith could be a stretch candidate. The Knicks have a first round pick next year. In his short stint with the Knicks Phil has done way more than the overrated Walsh.

[TheMan]

Melo cares more about money than a chance at a title. I can't say I blame him, he would leave a ton of money if he chose Chicago over NY. I just wish he didn't waste our time with that phony charade.

I like our team though, we're getting rid of Boozer's bum ass and adding a couple of scorers in McBuckets and Niko, and we still got some money to add a scoring wing. Big question is Rose, if he can get the injury bug behind him, the Bulls could be a top contender in the East.

[longtime lurker]

Melo cares more about money than a chance at a title. I can't say I blame, he would leave a ton of money if he chose Chicago over NY. I just wish he didn't waste our time with that phony charade.

I like our team though, we're getting rid of Boozer's bum ass and adding a couple of scorers in McBuckets and Niko, and we still got some money to add a scoring wing. Big question is Rose, if he can get the injury bug behind him, the Bulls could be a top contender in the East.

Here's the thing, there's no guaranteed way for titles. Signing with the Bulls means putting all his eggs in the Rose basket. Even if he stays in the East it's not like Indiana is going anywhere. Why can't he get his money AND win? Lebron has everyone ****ed up into thinking the only way to win is to be on the most stacked team.

[TheMan]

Here's the thing, there's no guaranteed way for titles. Signing with the Bulls means putting all his eggs in the Rose basket. Even if he stays in the East it's not like Indiana is going anywhere. Why can't he get his money AND win? Lebron has everyone ****ed up into thinking the only way to win is to be on the most stacked team.
I understand but adding a great scorer to Chicago balances out a team that has played elite D with Thibs. The Bulls aren't stacked per se with Melo, they're more balanced. You look at the Spurs on paper, they don't looked 'stacked' in the Heat sense, but they are deep as hell with good players and they have a great system with a GOAT coach leading the way.

Like I said, even with Melo not being on the Bulls, they're adding nice pieces and we still got money to get someone, personally I would love the Bulls to acquier Chandler Parsons but it looks like the Bulls have Kevin Love during a mid season trade with Minny as their plan B. All this of course hinges on Rose being able to stay healthy.

[smoovegittar]

:roll:

Better hope for another superstar then.
It's the plan. Melo is the bait.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

after amare and bargs contract is up, are they in a good position to offer another max to the big free agents in 15/16? who do you think they have a shot for if so.

[niko]

The thing is, if he really wanted to go to Chicago he could eventually force a S&T and get right around the 4 year 96 max.

He just wants the money and To stay in NYC.

Can't wait for the Bulls to whoop the shit out of the Knicks next season.

Bulls are still amnesting Booz and getting at least 11 mil to spend.

Bulls will target Love and possibly Stephenson. Mirotic negotiations are happening now as well since he's bought out from Madrid.

Bulls are still good just wanted Melo terribly.
The knicks couldn't do a S&T because then they'd be the Nets paying repeater tax for a non contending team. They can't carry this payroll and no Melo. Look at the Nets now, they are acting otherwise but essentially they will cut Pierce to save money. Then maybe Garnett. Shit catches up to you. Plus Bulls don't want to be taxpayer so a huge salary like Melo can be very limiting.

[Fawker]

if so he a sell out being told pipe dreams

[niko]

after amare and bargs contract is up, are they in a good position to offer another max to the big free agents in 15/16? who do you think they have a shot for if so.
Gasol is the plan. Rondo also if they can clear more room. But the big triangle center is the plan.

[Le Shaqtus]

Man Knicks are gonna be terrible :lol

[The-Legend-24]

Not surprising.

If this dude actually cared about winning he would choose Chicago.

[PJR]

He cares about winning, just not enough to leave 50+ million on the table.

[Le Shaqtus]

He cares about winning, just not enough to leave 50+ million on the table.

Then he doesn't care about winning period

[Fawker]

assuming the triangle is the offense. the ball will move around to rival the spurs and heat. that's how phil beat pop all the time. but only kobe and jordan attacked the basket when it broke down.

anyway fisher will be a surrogate of phil's play callings from upstairs. because this guy was even clueless as a pg of the team. he might as well wear head phones like an nfl coach gets help from coordinators.

[PJR]

Then he doesn't care about winning period

That's ridiculous. Basketball is his livelihood. A ring isn't worth that drastic of a pay-cut.

[longtime lurker]

Then he doesn't care about winning period

Yeah he should do what Dwyane Wade did and give up a guaranteed 40 million for..... :confusedshrug:

[Le Shaqtus]

That's ridiculous. Basketball is his livelihood. A ring isn't worth that drastic of a pay-cut.

Dude already makes a shit ton of money, he's probably set for life, plus he probably makes a ridiculous amount in endorsements too.

At some point you have to decide if you want money or winning, and right now Melo is probably going to a retire a ring less loser who was gifted his one scoring title by Durant. I don't care what he picks but you can't say you want to win then resign with the same team that's going to blow ass.

[Draz]

Come on guys. $50 million dollars left behind here. Like you guys would honestly leave that behind to have a CHANCE to win a non guaranteed ring at minimum 1. LeBron had a chance to win multiple wins with that foundation.

At this point winning 1 ring in NY is better than any amount of rings he could of won. The pay would justify it. New Yorkers and Knicks fans around the world don't want a dynasty. They don't ask for that. They are fine with 1. Carmelo has less weight on his shoulders.

His wife has a big say on it. NY is what she favors.

He won't have 5 rings, if it's safe enough to say. What's the point of chasing now?

[aboss4real24]

He will make big money

and b remembered as a legend in the biggest market there is

[PJR]

Yeah he should do what Dwyane Wade did and give up a guaranteed 40 million for..... :confusedshrug:

Completely different circumstance.



Dude already makes a shit ton of money, he's probably set for life, plus he probably makes a ridiculous amount in endorsements too.

At some point you have to decide if you want money or winning, and right now Melo is probably going to a retire a ring less loser who was gifted his one scoring title by Durant. I don't care what he picks but you can't say you want to win then resign with the same team that's going to blow ass.

Chicago isn't that good of a situation to leave 50 million the table. Especially considering the knees of Rose. Think logically here.

[BlazerRed]

Yeah, me too. Not the best basketball fit but whatever, he'll still be a Knick legend and make big money.
For doing what exactly? :oldlol:

[Le Shaqtus]

For doing what exactly? :oldlol:

This, he's done nothing of note except score 60 points once and be hand wrapped a scoring title.

[Hotlantadude81]

When you no longer have Ray "fatty" Felton as your starting PG, your team has gotten better.

Hey.. There is a point. :oldlol:

[Fawker]

we heard all the pitches. now be in his shoes.

just move west. period. you want to compete and have max? lakers

you want to compete?
mavs, houston

you want to be bounced out?
chicago, ny.

[Hotlantadude81]

He has what.... Maybe a 3 year window before he declines? I'm doubting that NY will win the title. Sorry.

[The-Legend-24]

:oldlol: @ being a Knicks legend.

Knicks have 0 legendary players. Shit franchise stays shit. :oldlol:

[Im so nba'd out]

Then he doesn't care about winning period
your such a fakkit you give lebron sht for teamming up...melo decides he doesn't want to team up you give him sht for not wanting to win.....man i hate kobetards

[Le Shaqtus]

your such a fakkit you give lebron sht for teamming up...melo decides he doesn't want to team up you give him sht for not wanting to win.....man i hate kobetards

Who the **** are you calling a kobetard, I'm not even a Laker fan let alone a Kobe fan you ****ing idiot :oldlol:

[Dagouch]

:oldlol: @ being a Knicks legend.

Knicks have 0 legendary players. Shit franchise stays shit. :oldlol:

Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed if you want Old School.

Patrick Ewing and John Starks. 90s

You must be 10 years old. Go study some basketball history.

[Duggrr]

Another season of shitty East teams :facepalm

[To4]

No man will leave that huge pay behind.. I won't.. then ima invest that mula.. then I am set for life even my grandkids..

[Fawker]

forget it. he has no grasp of winning. all teams pitched about winning but money does talk. he went through the motions of free agency talks only to stay where the money is at. it was professional because he was in and out of jets the last few days, but lesson learned: if you can not catch up with the greats, milk your own greatness for money.

[Im so nba'd out]

Who the **** are you calling a kobetard, I'm not even a Laker fan let alone a Kobe fan you ****ing idiot :oldlol:
I like how you just ignored everything else i said :rolleyes:

[YouGotServed]

If he's serious about winning he will sign with Houston. Nobody trusts Rose's knees enough to sign with the Bulls and the Knicks are garbage. Lettuce hope he's smart enough to make the right decision.

[aboss4real24]

nggas n here mad as hell :lol


Tol ya pu55y nggaz he was staying

N NExt year we gettn LBJ

Game over

[aboss4real24]

If he's serious about winning he will sign with Houston. Nobody trusts Rose's knees enough to sign with the Bulls and the Knicks are garbage. Lettuce hope he's smart enough to make the right decision.

Knicks r garbage but the last time they were even remotely healthy they were in the ECF?


The delusion is real



And houston is a gay city
http://images.rapgenius.com/550b0101dff80a9991477fbb6525fa90.365x155x51.gif

as u can see there


doubt melo wants his son being raised there

[The-Legend-24]

Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed if you want Old School.

Patrick Ewing and John Starks. 90s

You must be 10 years old. Go study some basketball history.
Those are legends? :oldlol:

Magic, Kobe, Bird, Shaq, MJ. Those are legends.

GTFO.

[Koresh]

I said to myself if Melo resigns for the max, I would lose respect for him. He is 30. He should care about winning now. If he is all about money then screw him. He was my favorite player in the NBA at one point and now I am like who cares? All of this speculation just to sign back with the Knicks that suck? Keep getting them checks, Melo!!:hammerhead:

[CHi1PriDe]

Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed if you want Old School.

Patrick Ewing and John Starks. 90s

You must be 10 years old. Go study some basketball history.

SMH @ legends :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

:oldlol: @ being a Knicks legend.

Knicks have 0 legendary players. Shit franchise stays shit. :oldlol:

Frazier
Reed
Ewing

[Dengness9]

Reed is a legend. Frazier is a legend. Monroe is a legend.

Ewing is even on legend level.

You guys saying they aren't are just plain wrong.

[Lebronxrings]

melo is done and has been ever since he left denver.

[ILLsmak]

Those are legends? :oldlol:

Magic, Kobe, Bird, Shaq, MJ. Those are legends.

GTFO.

Ewing and Starks maybe not, but the others def are. Supar legends.

-Smak

[gts]

Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed if you want Old School.

Patrick Ewing and John Starks. 90s

You must be 10 years old. Go study some basketball history.

Understand two things...

1. you're talking to kids who think the NBA started around 2004
2. They don't care for the history of the game or how it came to be where it is today. all they care about is the one player they idolize, everybody else isn't worth their time

Basically you'll find more acceptance trying to teach the game to a flock of mud hens at the lake

[The-Legend-24]

Frazier
Reed
Ewing
Nope. :oldlol:

[Trentknicks]

Nope. :oldlol:
Eventually your going to come to terms with the fact that your sad life revolves around posting bitchy comments and inserting rolling laughter smilies to further your existence. Good luck.

[GimmeThat]

I look forward to his two legged power straight up jump shots within the 10 foot and painted area. while stretching the floor on plays him and Calderon are in sync with.

[Meticode]

Brett Poirier NBA ‏@BrettNBA 46m
Reports surfacing about Melo leaning towards staying in New York. It's not surprising he'd want an extra $30M and keep his family together.

https://twitter.com/BrettNBA/status/485281502809174016

[GimmeThat]

https://twitter.com/BrettNBA/status/485281502809174016

if the Knicks fans are happy about the offer.

Melo is probably in a better situation than Phil.
when the blame game starts.


Phil can handle the heat and criticism.

[The-Legend-24]

Eventually your going to come to terms with the fact that your sad life revolves around posting bitchy comments and inserting rolling laughter smilies to further your existence. Good luck.
You're always so angry. :oldlol:

Stay catching feelings. :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

You must be 10 years old.

Wouldn't doubt it, but he's more or less just a try hard troll.

[dr.hee]

https://twitter.com/BrettNBA/status/485281502809174016

Don't get it. He's a freaking multi-millionaire no matter what. So why not try to win a few rings on top of that instead of playing for the Knicks? Say what you want about Lebron, but at least he's trying to win. Does Melo not give a shit at all?

[aboss4real24]

Don't get it. He's a freaking multi-millionaire no matter what. So why not try to win a few rings on top of that instead of playing for the Knicks? Say what you want about Lebron, but at least he's trying to win. Does Melo not give a shit at all?

Lebron is tryna ring chase , and he quit on his hometown team, and had the biggest choke of any star n the finals ever , and 1 ray 3 away frum being 1-5 in the finals


Melo shouldnt aim to follow him

[oh the horror]

melo is done and has been ever since he left denver.



He looked quite the opposite of "done" last season.

[GimmeThat]

Lebron is tryna ring chase , and he quit on his hometown team, and had the biggest choke of any star n the finals ever , and 1 ray 3 away frum being 1-5 in the finals


Melo shouldnt aim to follow him

never going to understand that statement.

did the Cavs started writing him pay checks since he was a child?

[dr.hee]

Lebron is tryna ring chase , and he quit on his hometown team, and had the biggest choke of any star n the finals ever , and 1 ray 3 away frum being 1-5 in the finals


Melo shouldnt aim to follow him

Well he isn't following Bran for sure. He can't chase a ring with the Knicks, so he won't ever choke in the finals, too :oldlol:

I also don't get why people think the talent deprived Eastern Conference would be a plus for Melo. Knicks aren't getting past Indiana anyway.

[RoTM]

Chicago isn't that good of a situation to leave 50 million the table. Especially considering the knees of Rose. Think logically here.

Right now they couldn't even do it without the numbers being insulting. If they dump Gibson and Dunleavy for pure space they can get to the max.

[G-Funk]

Reed is a legend. Frazier is a legend. Monroe is a legend.

Ewing is even on legend level.

You guys saying they aren't are just plain wrong.
They are greats. NY just has a lower standards, Lakers have legends; Shaq, Kobe, Kareem, West, Wilt, Magic. See the difference?

[The-Legend-24]

Wouldn't doubt it, but he's more or less just a try hard troll.
Location: Canada

:roll:

[TheMan]

They are greats. NY just has a lower standards, Lakers have legends; Shaq, Kobe, Kareem, West, Wilt, Magic. See the difference?
I'm a Bulls fan so I have no dog in this Lakers vs Knicks legends fight but funny how a few of the Knicks legends you're claiming are subpar beat your Laker legends in the early 70s two out of three times that they faced each other in the Finals :lol

[poido123]

Knicks management fall for Melo's demands. Pretending to entertain other teams got him a fat contract :facepalm

[Knicksfever2010]

I'm a Bulls fan so I have no dog in this Lakers vs Knicks legends fight but funny how a few of the Knicks legends you're claiming are subpar beat your Laker legends in the early 70s two out of three times that they faced each other in the Finals :lol

Preach

[bagelred]

Why do people think it's a much better situation somewhere else than in New York? If he joins Bulls, Rockets, Mavs, or Lakers, there's no guarantee ANY of those will have a much better chance at a title.

What is Derrick Rose? He's a player who basically hasn't played in 2 years....:confusedshrug: that's a huge question mark. Besides him, just some very good defensive players...And a big pay cut to play there.

I don't see Harden and Melo fitting together at all. They overlap too much. Two volume shooters who both need the ball and both struggle on defense. In the tough West. And he'd have to live in Houston.

Mavs would basically be KnicksWest with Dirk...and Dirk's 36 years old...and Melo would have to take a huge paycut.

Like Derrick Rose...what is Kobe now? 36 years old recovering from a terrible injury and taking up mega cap space for at least 2 years. That's a better situation?

All of these locations have flaws. Sure, probably THIS SEASON he'd have a better chance at a title than Knicks. But I think Stat, JR, Shumpert, Calderon, THJR, Bargs (heh heh), Dalembert with Melo is enough talent to have a good year and NEXT SEASON, Knicks have mega cap space for moves. Marc Gasol I bet is already eyeing New York. Kevin Love too.

With an owner who will literally spend ANYTHING in luxury tax if he can get a championship. Can you say that in Chicago, Bulls fans?

The only thing that's guaranteed is the money. And that he'll be a Knick all time great. And faith Phil Jackson will turn it around. And faith that all that and alot of cap space will draw players to New York.

Good thing you aren't Melo's agents. You'd take less money to go to worse city for MAYBE a better chance at a ring....good luck with that.....

[dr.hee]

Mavs would basically be KnicksWest with Dirk...and Dirk's 36 years old...and Melo would have to take a huge paycut.

What? Dallas was a 49 win team last season and the only challenge to the current champion, all with a very mediocre roster. Now replace Dalembert with Chandler (even if he's not as good as in 2011, still a significant upgrade) and Marion with Melo...that's not a contender? Are you kidding me? Mavs without Melo were already better than Melo's Knicks last year, in a much tougher conference. Also...Derek Fisher vs Rick Carlisle?

And Dirk might be 36...but he just had the 2nd most efficient season of his career. All star while dropping 22 ppg on almost 50/40/90. With Melo, he wouldn't have to create any shots for himself, and PnR/spotting up is something he can easily do for a few more years.

So...last year's Mavs were a 49 team and going to 7 against the Spurs...but a core of Dirk, Melo, Ellis and Chandler coached by Rick Carlisle aren't a better situation than the Knicks?

Serious question...are you brain damaged?

[Trentknicks]

The Mavs with Melo would definitely be a contender but the whole 'they took the spurs to 7 games' is getting so ****ing overblown. The Spurs weren't playing as fluent or as well as they did later in the playoffs. Plus the completely blew the Mavs out in the final game when it mattered.

[dr.hee]

The Mavs with Melo would definitely be a contender but the whole 'they took the spurs to 7 games' is getting so ****ing overblown. The Spurs weren't playing as fluent or as well as they did later in the playoffs. Plus the completely blew the Mavs out in the final game when it mattered.

Maybe because there's exactly one coach in the Western Conference who doesn't get completely embarrassed by Pop? Seriously, I get that casual fans aren't interested in details...but it was no fluke that Dallas was competitive in that series. On paper, they shouldn't have won 49 games in the West in the first place. Switch Carlisle and Spoelstra last season...what do you think would've happened?

[bagelred]

So...last year's Mavs were a 49 team and going to 7 against the Spurs...but a core of Dirk, Melo, Ellis and Chandler coached by Rick Carlisle aren't a better situation than the Knicks?



Did I hurt your feelings? Mighty defensive....

I would say for one season...maybe....Mavs have a better shot than Knicks. Then next season and beyond it go right back to Knicks. You really haven't seen Tyson Chandler play lately, have you....

And good luck with Raymond Felton as your point guard.

:oldlol: I wouldn't take a huge paycut to play with that Mavs team in the stacked West...no thanks.

[dr.hee]

Did I hurt your feelings? Mighty defensive....

I would say for one season...maybe....Mavs have a better shot than Knicks. Then next season and beyond it go right back to Knicks. You really haven't seen Tyson Chandler play lately, have you....

And good luck with Raymond Felton as your point guard.

:oldlol: I wouldn't take a huge paycut to play with that Mavs team in the stacked West...no thanks.

Next season Chandler's contract goes off the books, which means 15 mil cap space. And even washed up Chandler is much better than Dalembert.

The paycut is the only legit argument I can see for Melo staying in NY. Even in the stacked West, he'd have a better shot at a championship with Dallas than trying to get past Indiana with a rookie coach and the garbage Knicks roster. Last year's poorly constructed Mavs would've been at least a top 3 team in the East, don't see NY getting even to that level in the forseeable future. If Melo wants to win, it's Chicago or Dallas.

[bagelred]

Next season Chandler's contract goes off the books, which means 15 mil cap space. And even washed up Chandler is much better than Dalembert.

The paycut is the only legit argument I can see for Melo staying in NY. Even in the stacked West, he'd have a better shot at a championship with Dallas than trying to get past Indiana with a rookie coach and the garbage Knicks roster. Last year's poorly constructed Mavs would've been at least a top 3 team in the East, don't see NY getting even to that level in the forseeable future. If Melo wants to win, it's Chicago or Dallas.

:oldlol: OK...good luck finding a franchise player. :oldlol:

[smoovegittar]

Understand two things...

1. you're talking to kids who think the NBA started around 2004
2. They don't care for the history of the game or how it came to be where it is today. all they care about is the one player they idolize, everybody else isn't worth their time

Basically you'll find more acceptance trying to teach the game to a flock of mud hens at the lake
Nailed it. :applause:

[smoovegittar]

Why do people think it's a much better situation somewhere else than in New York? If he joins Bulls, Rockets, Mavs, or Lakers, there's no guarantee ANY of those will have a much better chance at a title.

What is Derrick Rose? He's a player who basically hasn't played in 2 years....:confusedshrug: that's a huge question mark. Besides him, just some very good defensive players...And a big pay cut to play there.

I don't see Harden and Melo fitting together at all. They overlap too much. Two volume shooters who both need the ball and both struggle on defense. In the tough West. And he'd have to live in Houston.

Mavs would basically be KnicksWest with Dirk...and Dirk's 36 years old...and Melo would have to take a huge paycut.

Like Derrick Rose...what is Kobe now? 36 years old recovering from a terrible injury and taking up mega cap space for at least 2 years. That's a better situation?

All of these locations have flaws. Sure, probably THIS SEASON he'd have a better chance at a title than Knicks. But I think Stat, JR, Shumpert, Calderon, THJR, Bargs (heh heh), Dalembert with Melo is enough talent to have a good year and NEXT SEASON, Knicks have mega cap space for moves. Marc Gasol I bet is already eyeing New York. Kevin Love too.

With an owner who will literally spend ANYTHING in luxury tax if he can get a championship. Can you say that in Chicago, Bulls fans?

The only thing that's guaranteed is the money. And that he'll be a Knick all time great. And faith Phil Jackson will turn it around. And faith that all that and alot of cap space will draw players to New York.

Good thing you aren't Melo's agents. You'd take less money to go to worse city for MAYBE a better chance at a ring....good luck with that.....

I'm with all of this. The hell with the trolls; let 'em hate. When we're winning games mid season, you'll notice the hush, as they turn on their own teams.

[dr.hee]

:oldlol: OK...good luck finding a franchise player. :oldlol:

Just asking...is this some simple minded trolling attempt because you're buying into some kind of Spurs vs. Mavs rivalry (judging from your avy), so it's your holy obligation to hate on Dallas? In that case I judged you wrongly...thought that having 28,000 posts on a bball message board means you're interested in the game on another level than the usual casual fan idiocy. My fault :cheers:

[smoovegittar]

Just asking...is this some simple minded trolling attempt because you're buying into some kind of Spurs vs. Mavs rivalry (judging from your avy), so it's your holy obligation to hate on Dallas? In that case I judged you wrongly...thought that having 28,000 posts on a bball message board means you're interested in the game on another level than the usual casual fan idiocy. My fault :cheers:
So he presents a solid argument and this is your exit?

... you were doing so well...

[dr.hee]

So he presents a solid argument and this is your exit?

... you were doing so well...

Solid argument? Calling Dallas "KnicksWest"? With the possibility of replacing Dalembert/Marion with Melo/Chandler?

I mean come on, this has to be some Spurs fan trolling crap. I root for the Mavs, but respect the hell out of SA. Best franchise in basketball right now, love watching them play. All I'd like is an attempt at objectivity. Which he didn't in my opinion.

[STATUTORY]

Knicks or Cavs are only sensible destination for Bron. Stop this foolishness :roll: Mavs

[smoovegittar]

Solid argument? Calling Dallas "KnicksWest"? With the possibility of replacing Dalembert/Marion with Melo/Chandler?

I mean come on, this has to be some Spurs fan trolling crap. I root for the Mavs, but respect the hell out of SA. Best franchise in basketball right now, love watching them play. All I'd like is an attempt at objectivity. Which he didn't in my opinion.
You have a decent argument too, but resorted to insults. Objectivity?

[dr.hee]

You have a decent argument too, but resorted to insults. Objectivity?

Well his response to my agument was basically "lulz you don't have a franchise player"...so the argument was over in my opinion. If he really thinks that a unit of Dirk/Melo/Ellis/Chandler wouldn't be significantly better than last year's Mavs core, I can't take him seriously anyway. Add the discrepancy in coaching quality compared to every other destination except Chicago. Just look at Houston. On paper, it's pretty great. Still, McHale did get totally destroyed by Stotts, who is really good but not even in the Carlisle/Pop tier. Melo simply won't win shit in NY.

If there's a good argument why Dallas wouldn't become an instant contender with Melo I'm happy to admit I'm wrong. Just haven't heard one yet.

[smoovegittar]

Well his response to my agument was basically "lulz you don't have a franchise player"...so the argument was over in my opinion. If he really thinks that a unit of Dirk/Melo/Ellis/Chandler wouldn't be significantly better than last year's Mavs core, I can't take him seriously anyway. Add the discrepancy in coaching quality compared to every other destination except Chicago. Just look at Houston. On paper, it's pretty great. Still, McHale did get totally destroyed by Stotts, who is really good but not even in the Carlisle/Pop tier. Melo simply won't win shit in NY.

If there's a good argument why Dallas wouldn't become an instant contender with Melo I'm happy to admit I'm wrong. Just haven't heard one yet.
So you're saying you believe Phil Jackson will not be mentoring Derek Fisher this coming season?

I believe Carlisle is top 5 coach in league.
As good a team the Mavs are, I believed they over-achieved last season (as well as the Knicks under-achieving).
I believe Melo improves just about any team he plays for.
I don't believe you realize how far gone Chandler is, even if he tries this year. He was a cancer in the Knick's locker room, and tried his best to derail an already defunct coach. I watched appx. 70 games last year.
In 2015, Melo and the Knicks will have as good a shot of winning it all as any other team in the league. I'm not gonna repeat myself over and over with the facts. If you don't want to get lumped in the delusional "Knicks suck forever" trolling group, you should drop it. You're entitled to believe in your team; they are a good group and coached well. I wish them the best, as they are a team in the West and no concern to me.

[gts]

Reading the Knicks and Mavs fans debate I wonder why the Knicks thought getting rid of Chandler would help them retain Melo and why the Mavs thought getting ahold of Chandler would help them draw Melo away from the Knicks...

[smoovegittar]

Reading the Knicks and Mavs fans debate I wonder why the Knicks thought getting rid of Chandler would help them retain Melo and why the Mavs thought getting ahold of Chandler would help them draw Melo away from the Knicks...
I knew that the first thing that NY needed was cohesion. It's what led to the appalling record we had last year. Chandler led the charge in the locker room rebellion... any true knick fan who's awake saw this. If Jackson did not take the job, Melo would be loooong gone.

Melo's not stupid. He knows what he wants, and he knows what he needs. I believe he wants to be the savior of NY, and PJ provides the confidence, swag and skills to help this realize.

[Roundball_Rock]

Melo's not stupid. He knows what he wants, and he knows what he needs. I believe he wants to be the savior of NY, and PJ provides the confidence, swag and skills to help this realize.

He has 2-3 elite years left at his age. Can the Knicks improve to a point to not only compete with, but defeat, Miami, Chicago and Indiana during that span? If he keeps the Knicks mid-pack no one will remember him. To be the elusive savior, the Knicks' Mark Messier, he needs to actually win a championship. With Carmelo re-signing and some small improvements the Knicks will probably be the 4th or 5th best team in the conference. Let's face it, Carmelo is going for the money and the comfort of knowing there really are no expectations in New York. If he keeps the Knicks mid-pack, maybe wins a couple series, he will still be remembered fondly in New York for sticking with them and keeping them semi-competitive but no one in New York expects a championship from him. If he goes to Chicago, Houston or Dallas it would be championship or bust. Carmelo is taking the money--and easy way out.

[GimmeThat]

Reading the Knicks and Mavs fans debate I wonder why the Knicks thought getting rid of Chandler would help them retain Melo and why the Mavs thought getting ahold of Chandler would help them draw Melo away from the Knicks...


Calederon

and yes, the second idea just doesn't make sense.

I guess at best teams were just waiting for the Knicks to offer Melo the Max, similar to how teams give large offers to restricted FA just to mess with other teams book.

[-Lebron23-]

Reading the Knicks and Mavs fans debate I wonder why the Knicks thought getting rid of Chandler would help them retain Melo and why the Mavs thought getting ahold of Chandler would help them draw Melo away from the Knicks...
I honestly don't think the move had anything to do with Melo. Chandler reportedly wanted out and many in NY wanted him gone too. He had a bad season and his attitude towards the end of the season wasn't good at all. It was best for both sides to part ways.

[GimmeThat]

If he goes to Chicago, Houston or Dallas it would be championship or bust. Carmelo is taking the money--and easy way out.


you should also add the possibility of enduring uncomfortable lifestyle on top of bust.

[GimmeThat]

I honestly don't think the move had anything to do with Melo. Chandler reportedly wanted out and many in NY wanted him gone too. He had a bad season and his attitude towards the end of the season wasn't good at all. It was best for both sides to part ways.

Mike Woodson probably blocked Chandler's idea of passing the basketball on the offensive end.

[smoovegittar]

He has 2-3 elite years left at his age. Can the Knicks improve to a point to not only compete with, but defeat, Miami, Chicago and Indiana during that span? If he keeps the Knicks mid-pack no one will remember him. To be the elusive savior, the Knicks' Mark Messier, he needs to actually win a championship. With Carmelo re-signing and some small improvements the Knicks will probably be the 4th or 5th best team in the conference. Let's face it, Carmelo is going for the money and the comfort of knowing there really are no expectations in New York. If he keeps the Knicks mid-pack, maybe wins a couple series, he will still be remembered fondly in New York for sticking with them and keeping them semi-competitive but no one in New York expects a championship from him. If he goes to Chicago, Houston or Dallas it would be championship or bust. Carmelo is taking the money--and easy way out.
You seem to feel that Bulls, Heat and Pacers will still be this relevant in 2-3 years. I'm not on board with this. This league changes fast - look at all the Heat rumblings right now. You were that impressed with Bull's and Pacer's playoffs just past? BTW, Melo has more than 2-3 years left in him - alongside another star player or 2.

All of this is rhetoric. We'll see what happens... in the meantime, I'll be thrilled if he returns and everything goes according to plan in NYC. I stopped worrying when Phil was given the keys to MSG.

[-Lebron23-]

Mike Woodson probably blocked Chandler's idea of passing the basketball on the offensive end.
Yeah, let's blame everything on Woodson :rolleyes:

[smoovegittar]

Yeah, let's blame everything on Woodson :rolleyes:
It was Woodson's fault to let Kidd handle the offense 2 years ago. When Kidd left, that's when it fell apart. I like Woody, but he's not championship caliber. You'ld need LeBron, Wade and Allen for that.

[Legends66NBA7]

Location: Canada

:roll:

Don't try too hard, Rene.

[-Lebron23-]

It was Woodson's fault to let Kidd handle the offense 2 years ago. When Kidd left, that's when it fell apart. I like Woody, but he's not championship caliber. You'ld need LeBron, Wade and Allen for that.
Nah, if anything you can blame him for not replacing Kidd's input on offense this past year. Without Kidd that offense would have been bad 2 years ago too and not only last year.

[smoovegittar]

Nah, if anything you can blame him for not replacing Kidd's input on offense this past year. Without Kidd that offense would have been bad 2 years ago too and not only last year.
That's what I was implying. Woody thought they'd be alright without Kidd; they are pros who know what to do. Oooops. Woody was in over his head from the get - he would not have gotten that job without D'Antoni.

[Dbrog]

5 years 129 mill and "doesn't like he's all alone on the court." GL with that Melo. Btw, can we just be honest here? Typical knicks contract :facepalm

[smoovegittar]

5 years 129 mill and "doesn't like he's all alone on the court." GL with that Melo. Btw, can we just be honest here? Typical knicks contract :facepalm
Stereotypical Hater comment. Can you be real and join a conversation that includes you? "Can't we be honest?" - you read like Katie Couric.

[mark]

Mike Woodson probably blocked Chandler's idea of passing the basketball on the offensive end.

Melo gets more money and less drama in the end. If he goes to houston it's flashback comparisons of Lin even though Lin is gone soon. He disliked Chandler a lot, and he's gone, likely orchestrated by Melo.

[Roundball_Rock]

You seem to feel that Bulls, Heat and Pacers will still be this relevant in 2-3 years. I'm not on board with this. This league changes fast - look at all the Heat rumblings right now.

Yeah, any team can collapse but a contender could also emerge from nowhere during that span as well. Any team with LeBron will remain a contender during that period. The Bulls have a good enough core that they likely will so long as everyone stays healthy. Knowing what we know now, it is unlikely the Knicks will reach the Finals in the next 2-3 years. Their plan may not work and even it it does the players they acquire may not pan out (i.e. the Lakers managed to get Howard, Nash and that failed miserably) and they have a considerable gap to close to the top teams since they are starting with a 37-45 team.


I'll be thrilled if he returns and everything goes according to plan in NYC. I stopped worrying when Phil was given the keys to MSG.

How many teams have successfully built a contender around a 30 year old superstar? It can be done, but he isn't 25 with a long window to build around. By the time NY has pieces around him, if their plan works, he will have declined.

[Dbrog]

Stereotypical Hater comment. Can you be real and join a conversation that includes you? "Can't we be honest?" - you read like Katie Couric.

Is it? Is it really a hater comment? Look what happened to Kobe in LA and how they don't have any money to give to anybody to help him. Plus the Knicks giving absolute max to a player who hasn't proven that he can carry them past the 1st round is scary to me. I get flashbacks of Starbury/Franchise era. Hell...then there's always howard eisley :facepalm

I would challenge YOU to take your homer glasses off and see the mistakes your franchise is making. I personally want to see the knicks succeed and was getting superhyped for Bron to go there with CP around the time of the "decision." It's hilarious to me that if I'm critical on a franchise I'm suddenly labeled a hater.

[GimmeThat]

Yeah, let's blame everything on Woodson :rolleyes:

He shouldn't have even started Jr.Smith

he should have slided Shumpert to start the game with Felton/Shumpert/Melo/Stat/Chandler

When either Chandler/Stat goes out of the game, you can move Melo to the 4, or even play Bargnani/Melo/Martin and Smith in the second unit.

I would have even played the Hardaway/Smith/Melo/Martin/Chandler for stretches as well. Or replace Martin with Shumpert if he can guard the opposing 3.


he got shit production from his back court. And sure, Calederon is an upgrade, but lets not act like the Knicks had sh*t talent there.

[smoovegittar]

Is it? Is it really a hater comment? Look what happened to Kobe in LA and how they don't have any money to give to anybody to help him. Plus the Knicks giving absolute max to a player who hasn't proven that he can carry them past the 1st round is scary to me. I get flashbacks of Starbury/Franchise era. Hell...then there's always howard eisley :facepalm

I would challenge YOU to take your homer glasses off and see the mistakes your franchise is making. I personally want to see the knicks succeed and was getting superhyped for Bron to go there with CP around the time of the "decision." It's hilarious to me that if I'm critical on a franchise I'm suddenly labeled a hater.
Why should I "take off my homer" glasses when I read all this negative bullshit flung at my team? This is a new NY team I'm seeing lately. I'm not allowed to be intrigued by hiring a brilliant mind to run this franchise finally? Sorry for you-

I remember all the bad days - and probably more than you. Teams come and go - I believe my team is on a rise. If they aren't, I'm still going to work Monday. But I like what I see right now thru mu "glasses". I've never seen Bron coming; I never bought it. sorry.

Deal with my Knick homerism, or ignore me. If I have to read posts by Jameers and others like him, I'll type what I please.