Is Robben the best player in this tournament

[Mr.Kite]

The way he played against costa rica and mexico really points to it.

[chosen_one6]

The way he played against costa rica and mexico really points to it.

Yeah he's the best player at flopping. Hands down.

[Shade8780]

The way he played against costa rica and mexico really points to it.
http://media.giphy.com/media/10jkKnOiRUxs9a/giphy.gif

[bdreason]

Best diver in the tourney, that's for sure.

[Mr.Kite]

two against mexico was legit.

ronaldo flops 10x more

[RagaZ]

No.

C. Ronaldo, Hazard, Ozil, Fred or Bradley imo.

[Im Still Ballin]

Soccer though...............
LOL

[Mr.Kite]

No.

C. Ronaldo, Hazard, Ozil, Fred or Bradley imo.

ronaldo exited too early for consideration.

[Shade8780]

No.

C. Ronaldo, Hazard, Ozil, Fred or Bradley imo.
Yep, totally. My favourite is Fred and Bradley. Next Maradona and Pel

[KobesFinger]

IMO Messi. He's been carrying Argentina with his moments of magic

[Mr.Kite]

IMO Messi. He's been carrying Argentina with his moments of magic

We really haven't seen the Barca Messi yet in this tournament. Hopefully we get to see it tuesday

[Akrazotile]

I agree with OP.

Too many peeps taking reputations and name value into account IMO. Robben has looked like the most consistently effective player in THIS tournament.

[Mr.Kite]

I agree with OP.

Too many peeps taking reputations and name value into account IMO. Robben has looked like the most consistently effective player in THIS tournament.

Thats what i'm saying...this tournament. Nothing what they do in clubs.

Its like a 34 year old zizou in 06

[pezt]

It's between him and James Rodriguez

[Shade8780]

Thats what i'm saying...this tournament. Nothing what they do in clubs.

Its like a 34 year old zizou in 06
:biggums:

Zidane >>>>>> Robben

[Mr.Kite]

:biggums:

Zidane >>>>>> Robben

no shit

[J.101]

Its out of Robben, James Rodriguez or Messi all have had some immense performances.

[alenleomessi]

We really haven't seen the Barca Messi yet in this tournament. Hopefully we get to see it tuesday
the difference between messi right now and messi from 3-4 years ago is the lack of effort.. 3 or 4 years ago he easily ran 2-3 more kms than today and even tracked back at times.. its not like this is the first time he has 3-4 defenders on him.. he always had.. but when you put in effort with that immense skill and creativity you will overcome every obstacle.. hopefully that beast shows up for the last two matches.. IMO its enough to win the WC regardless of how the other mids and forwards play (defense needs to be solid though, of course)

[MavsSuperFan]

I know nothing about soccer, and have watched the majority of games this WC.

from my uneducated eyes he seems to be making the most impact. Off this WC alone I would give him the MVP so far.

That rodriguez guy on colombia also made an impression on me.

[Gr]

I don't rate Zidane higher than Robben. Zidane has to be one of the most overrated players of all time. Yeah, he had an awesome final in 1998 and scored a nice volley against Leverkusen in 2002, but overall Robben is the more impactful player.

[RagaZ]

[QUOTE=Gr

[9erempiree]

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[Gr]

Zidane mythologists in full force here.

[Gr]

Lothar Matthaeus >> Zinedine Zidane

[Andrei89]

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[Bosnian Sajo]

two against mexico was legit.

ronaldo flops 10x more


He really doesn't though, especially this year.

[Gr]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I don't see what's so funny about that. You put Lothar Matthaeus on Zidane Juventus and Zidane Real Madrid and the chance of those stacked teams winning more than 1 trophy increases. Lothar Matthaeus is the better engine and better two way player.

"he is the best rival I've ever had. I guess that's enough to define him" - Diego Maradona

[Gr]

Lothar Matthaeus is so damn underrated at times. GOAT German player.

[Gr]

Robben is aging like whine atm, that's for sure. His change in mentality recently has been incredible.

[pezt]

the difference between messi right now and messi from 3-4 years ago is the lack of effort.. 3 or 4 years ago he easily ran 2-3 more kms than today and even tracked back at times.. its not like this is the first time he has 3-4 defenders on him.. he always had.. but when you put in effort with that immense skill and creativity you will overcome every obstacle.. hopefully that beast shows up for the last two matches.. IMO its enough to win the WC regardless of how the other mids and forwards play (defense needs to be solid though, of course)

I'm not sure it's entirely the lack of effort though. He just isn't that fast and explosive like a couple of years ago anymore.
Maybe that's because he isn't at 100% after the injuries or maybe it's just the beginning of his decline.

[Nowitness]

RVP

[Godzuki]

you still have to beat people to flop. most players couldn't have gotten those type of flops.

i'd say he's the best attacker i've seen this world cup.

[KNOW1EDGE]

He's not even in the discussion for best player in the tournament.

Messi, Ronaldo, James Rodriguez, Thomas Mueller I could keep going....

[alenleomessi]

I'm not sure it's entirely the lack of effort though. He just isn't that fast and explosive like a couple of years ago anymore.
Maybe that's because he isn't at 100% after the injuries or maybe it's just the beginning of his decline.
nah its the same.. couple of years ago he would have had like 20-25 explosive individual runs in one game, nowadays its more like 4-5.. im not worried though even when he loses some of the explosiveness and quickness in his 30s he still has a great all around game.. would make a great 10

as for robben when you look at his career its pretty obvious that he is an all time great.. although im not sure thats what most people think when they look at him.. injuries, flopping, the 2010 finals choking have taken its toll on him

[Mr.Kite]

He's not even in the discussion for best player in the tournament.

Messi, Ronaldo, James Rodriguez, Thomas Mueller I could keep going....
I can tell you know shit.you name a player for best player of the tournament based on a sample size of 3 games

[hookul]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Nowitness]

:crazysam: :wtf:

:biggums:

[Uncle Drew]

Yes, Robben is the best player in this world cup. He's playing at such an extreme level. He could pull off a 2006 Zidane (without the headbutt) and win the whole thing on basically his own.

[hookul]

:biggums:

:coleman:

[BoogieWoogieMan]

[QUOTE=Gr

[b1imtf]

He's not even in the discussion for best player in the tournament.

Messi, Ronaldo, James Rodriguez, Thomas Mueller I could keep going....
:lol

[Gr]

I honestly don't see the issue. Zidane just isn't what the world wide Real Madrid *********ion fest made him out to be. Of course he's an all time great, but I hate the way people put him on a pedestal, even going as far as calling him the GOAT at times, or place 6 rolling smiles when I state my opinion that Matthaeus was the better player. As far as his hype is concerned, he didn't match it at Juventus or at Real Madrid. He won one Champions League with the most stacked team in the world beating Bayer Leverkusen in the final (being a ghost throughout the game except for his awesome volley.) He wasn't good at the 1998 World Cup either until the final. 3 awesome goals which helped his teams win titles, fine, and he's definitely worthy of being an all time great, but he's not the overall player people make him out to be.

[Shade8780]

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[Andrei89]

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[KingBeasley08]

I think he is. Got the feeling that Golden Ball could be decided in the Argentina-Netherlands game

[pinhead]

We really haven't seen the Barca Messi yet in this tournament. Hopefully we get to see it tuesday

Tuesday? In training?

[Gr]

Robben is a more valuable player than Zidane and harder to replace. I wouldn't have said this two years ago, but the guy has become such an ultimate beast after humbling experiences. He's become far less selfish and it actually feels like he's mainly playing for the team and not for his own glory.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I can tell you know shit.you name a player for best player of the tournament based on a sample size of 3 games

What does that even mean?

We are talking about the best performer thus far in the world cup right?

So if 3 games is all they've played in the Cup what else are we basing it off? Their d1ck size?

Whatever they did before the tournament is irrelevant if we are talking about World Cup performance, right? Or am I missing something?

[Gr]

Zidane is the GOAT. I am certain you have never seen him play, nor did you see Matthaus...

:oldlol: Whatever you say.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Zidane is the GOAT. I am certain you have never seen him play, nor did you see Matthaus...

Stop it.

Not even close to GOAT that is just pure f*ckery

[Mr.Kite]

What does that even mean?

We are talking about the best performer thus far in the world cup right?

So if 3 games is all they've played in the Cup what else are we basing it off? Their d1ck size?

Whatever they did before the tournament is irrelevant if we are talking about World Cup performance, right? Or am I missing something?

So you are saying that ronaldo is playing better than what robben is doing now. We watching the 2010 euros right now?

[Andrei89]

Stop it.

Not even close to GOAT that is just pure f*ckery


Then you have not seen him play.

Easily the maestro of the century. Simply amazing, carried France in 1998, 2000 and 2006 on his back .

[Mr.Kite]

Stop it.

Not even close to GOAT that is just pure f*ckery

Zidane is top 5 after pele maradonna tier. After ronaldo

[Gr]

Then you have not seen him play.

Easily the maestro of the century. Simply amazing, carried France in 1998, 2000 and 2006 on his back .

Carrying that scrubby French team. :bowdown: Zinedine Zidane mythologists. :oldlol:

[Gr]

Arjen Robben is the Pele of our time. Enjoy it while you can.

:oldlol: Come on now, don't be silly. He's not on Pele's level. Then again, neither is Zinedine Zidane. I'm mainly trying argue against some of the Zidane mythology. It's more about moving Zidane down the list than it is about moving Robben up the list.

[pinhead]

Then you have not seen him play.

Easily the maestro of the century. Simply amazing, carried France in 1998, 2000 and 2006 on his back .

Other than the final Zidane done nothing in 98. The best player in that world cup was Michael Owen.

[Andrew Wiggins]

Then you have not seen him play.

Easily the maestro of the century. Simply amazing, carried France in 1998, 2000 and 2006 on his back .

carrying those scrubs henry, trezeguet, vieira, thuram, makelele :facepalm :lol

[brownmamba00]

[QUOTE=Gr

[KNOW1EDGE]

Zidane was a great player, one of the all time greats.

Not better than Pele Maradona or Ronaldo, not even in the discussion.

And Robben is a goof player but comparing him to Pele is embarrassing, they're games are nothing alike.

ISH is the only place on the planet where people consider him the best player right now

[Gr]

Serie A 87-88 (Inter pre Matthaeus)

http://s13.postimg.org/eksrlm2jr/seriea8789.png

Serie A 88-89 Inter with Matthaeus (+ Andreas Brehme)

http://s10.postimg.org/wosiky66h/seriea8889.jpg


Now that's called instant impact. Maybe even a bit of carrying. And Serie A around those years is arguably the strongest league of all time.

edit: fixed ugly looking tables

[Mr.Kite]

Zidane was a great player, one of the all time greats.

Not better than Pele Maradona or Ronaldo, not even in the discussion.

And Robben is a goof player but comparing him to Pele is embarrassing, they're games are nothing alike.

ISH is the only place on the planet where people consider him the best player right now

He is the best player in the tournament

[KNOW1EDGE]

He is the best player in the tournament

If you say so it must be true

[alenleomessi]

people like to downgrade messi for his lack of argentina success but dont really pay attention to the lack of club success that the stars of the past had
3 league titles iirc and only one CL with stacked real madrid.. -zidane
the fenomeno didnt really have a notable club career either.. respect to pele and maradona for their loyalty towards santos and napoli but winning copa libertadores and uefa cups is not the same as the champions league.. maradona has only 2 league titles with napoli iirc..

[Gr]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Gr]

Milan and Napoli both have more points and a better goal difference in 88/89 than in 87/88 too. Lothar Matth

[KingBeasley08]

Don't know much about this Mathaeus dude. Thanks for the notes Pinguin, time to watch some tape :cheers:

[RagaZ]

Matthaeus managerial career tho :bowdown:

[Gr]

Don't know much about this Mathaeus dude. Thanks for the notes Pinguin, time to watch some tape :cheers:

IMO, he's the greatest German player of all time.

[brownmamba00]

lothar mathaus :roll: comparing him to zidane:roll:

germans gonna german


people like to downgrade messi for his lack of argentina success but dont really pay attention to the lack of club success that the stars of the past had
3 league titles iirc and only one CL with stacked real madrid.. -zidane
the fenomeno didnt really have a notable club career either.. respect to pele and maradona for their loyalty towards santos and napoli but winning copa libertadores and uefa cups is not the same as the champions league.. maradona has only 2 league titles with napoli iirc..
if we're talking best pound for pound football player I'll take fenomeno all day even tho his accomplishments don't stack up against the other greats you're talking about...

in football I don't like ranking players for how much they won it's more about how good is the player and did they step up when it mattered most...I'd love to see messi in the final just to see what he can do on the biggest stage.

[pezt]

What does that even mean?

We are talking about the best performer thus far in the world cup right?

So if 3 games is all they've played in the Cup what else are we basing it off? Their d1ck size?

Whatever they did before the tournament is irrelevant if we are talking about World Cup performance, right? Or am I missing something?


Yes and Ronaldo has been shit in 2 of the 3 games.

[Akrazotile]

lothar mathaus :roll: comparing him to zidane:roll:

germans gonna german


if we're talking best pound for pound football player I'll take fenomeno all day even tho his accomplishments don't stack up against the other greats you're talking about...

in football I don't like ranking players for how much they won it's more about how good is the player and did they step up when it mattered most...I'd love to see messi in the final just to see what he can do on the biggest stage.


You should critique basketball players the same way.


Oh wait. Dat kobe username... :roll:

[brownmamba00]

You should critique basketball players the same way.


Oh wait. Dat kobe username... :roll:
I do the same for bball...love kobe tho so **** you

[Gr]

carrying those scrubs henry, trezeguet, vieira, thuram, makelele :facepalm :lol

:roll:

[EMERE]

He has been one of the best, but not the absolutely best. Though you can certainty make a case that he has been the best, its up to you.

Messi just has spurts of brilliance now, he doesn't go all out now which makes me sad because I still remember that 09 Messi, Robben runs the two entire halfs without getting tired.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

him and James Rodriguez.
James is the future of football
Hes like the perfect modern player:applause:

[Gr]

He has been one of the best, but not the absolutely best. Though you can certainty make a case that he has been the best, its up to you.

He has no case. He has a bunch of cult members wetting their pants over the occasional moment of wizardry.

Quiet offensively for a large part of a game ---> Fancy pass (even if not necessary) ---> Zidane the GOAT :bowdown:

OK, I'm exaggerating but you get the point.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

[QUOTE=Gr

[b1imtf]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Gr]

you are going full retard right now.
stop it:coleman:

True, I've lowered my level a bit towards what I'm dealing with here. I'm certainly not being as bad as somebody who would put 6 rolling smileys at a suggestion that Matthaeus is a better player though.

[dr.hee]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Marlo_Stanfield]

[QUOTE=Gr

[KingBeasley08]

He's talking about Robben I think... :lol
:oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Speaking as a fellow German...what the f*ck is wrong with you?
what is wrong with you?? putting that retard Mertesacker as your avy??WTF?:lol :lol :cheers:

[Gr]

He's talking about Robben I think... :lol

My bad. I got so into anti Zidane mythologist mode that I forgot about the thread title and didn't make the simple connection from his 2nd paragraph. :roll: :roll: :roll: Oops.

[Gr]

Speaking as a fellow German...what the f*ck is wrong with you?

Nothing is wrong with me. :confusedshrug: Just made a little mistake, is all.

[Gr]

:oldlol:

:lol

[EMERE]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Gr]

wut Zidane officially retired after that headbutt:oldlol:

I don't even know why you brought him up in this discussion lol

My mistake. In the last few pages things got a little off topic and I was in full on anti Zidane mythologist mode and didn't make a simple connection after reading your post. :roll:

[Gr]

I pulled a RagaZ on you, EMERE. I'm going to disappear in shame for the rest of the day.

[EMERE]

[QUOTE=Gr

[b1imtf]

[QUOTE=Gr

[deja vu]

Zidane is the GOAT. I am certain you have never seen him play, nor did you see Matthaus...
Dude I like Zidane but you act like Maradona didn't exist.

[Genaro]

Robben is the best player so far. Let's see how the last games play out.

Zidane is a top 10 GOAT.
I think that Romario is extremely underrated on these affairs. I have him over Ronaldo to be honest..

[B-hoop]

Robben is the best player so far. Let's see how the last games play out.

Zidane is a top 10 GOAT.
I think that Romario is extremely underrated on these affairs. I have him over Ronaldo to be honest..

I think a case can be made for Romario over Ronaldo, but Romario came back to Brazil too early, and even though we had some stacked teams in the later half of the 90's like Palmeiras and Vasco, it still is hard to compare to the competition that Ronaldo faced in Europe.

His longevity is absurd though.

[dr.hee]

what is wrong with you?? putting that retard Mertesacker as your avy??WTF?:lol :lol :cheers:

Don't mess with the BFG

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/13/article-2505531-1962D24900000578-736_634x449.jpg



:bowdown:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Don't mess with the BFG

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/13/article-2505531-1962D24900000578-736_634x449.jpg



:bowdown:
hope he stays on the bench.
loses 5 meters to a guy in a 10 m dash:coleman: :biggums:

[dr.hee]

hope he stays on the bench.
loses 5 meters to a guy in a 10 m dash:coleman: :biggums:

Better than losing 10 meters in a 5 m dash though. Merte ftw.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Better than losing 10 meters in a 5 m dash though. Merte ftw.
tbh i always liked the guy and he is VERY good in some things. Boateng is better tho and Hummels anyway.
but that interview he made was just retarded:oldlol: :oldlol:

[dr.hee]

tbh i always liked the guy and he is VERY good in some things. Boateng is better tho and Hummels anyway.
but that interview he made was just retarded:oldlol: :oldlol:

Agree about Hummels, not sure about Boateng.

[StephHamann]

Calamity Per

:bowdown:

[dr.hee]

Calamity Per

:bowdown:


:cheers:

[knickballer]

Mertesacker is obviously a very good center back but his lack of speed gets him burnt on counters and through balls way too often. If Germany was going to sit back and park the bus then starting him would be ideal but it doesn't look like that and you just don't want to gift Brazil a lucky goal. Not sure how Brazil are going to play without Neymar and I'm going to assume they will sit back and try to beat Germany through the counter.

[East_Stone_Ya]

I thought James was

[ArbitraryWater]

Better than losing 10 meters in a 5 m dash though. Merte ftw.

Impossibru

[Mr.Kite]

Robben for Best player of the tournament!!!!

[RagaZ]

He'll have nightmares about that miss in Injury time.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Thomas M