Cuban's Trade for Chandler confirms mistake of not re-signing him in 2011

[BallsOut]

Mavs had just come off a championship in 2011. They could've won the next 2 over Miami. Maybe even beat the Spurs last year since they took them to 7 without Chandler. Potentially 4 rings for Dirk and a cemented legacy in the top 10, maybe even top 5.

But Cuban cheapened out when he shouldn't have. Makes you sort of think what could have been?

[KyrieTheFuture]

What's up with you and making god awful threads today?

[DMAVS41]

The exact opposite actually...

Here is a look at what the salaries would have been in 12 (estimates);

Dirk 19 million
Chandler 14.5 million
Terry 11 million
Kidd 10 million
Marion 8 million
Haywood 7 million

ROFL...that is 69 million right there. You have nothing left to do anything. It's add vet minimum guys. It's a good team no doubt in 12, but it's certainly worse than our team in 11 as it would lack depth and it would add another year to all the old players. I think we could have given the Thunder a real scare and perhaps won, but that isn't enough to beat either the Spurs or Heat as well. If 2011 was a 20 to 1 shot to win the title...2012 would have been a 50 to 1 shot. You don't mortgage the next 4 to 5 years of a franchise for a 50 to 1 shot to win the title.

[BallsOut]

The exact opposite actually...

Care to elaborate? Mavs front office robbed Dirk of potentially a 4-peat, or at least another couple runs. Are we gonna act like Dirk would not be sitting on at least 2 rings right now and in debates with Hakeem of being borderline top 10 if they still had their defensive anchor in Chandler?

:biggums:

[dr.hee]

The exact opposite actually...

Here is a look at what the salaries would have been in 12 (estimates);

Dirk 19 million
Chandler 14.5 million
Terry 11 million
Kidd 10 million
Marion 8 million
Haywood 7 million

ROFL...that is 69 million right there. You have nothing left to do anything. It's add vet minimum guys. It's a good team no doubt in 12, but it's certainly worse than our team in 11 as it would lack depth and it would add another year to all the old players. I think we could have given the Thunder a real scare and perhaps won, but that isn't enough to beat either the Spurs or Heat as well. If 2011 was a 20 to 1 shot to win the title...2012 would have been a 50 to 1 shot. You don't mortgage the next 4 to 5 years of a franchise for a 50 to 1 shot to win the title.

This.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Care to elaborate? Mavs front office robbed Dirk of potentially a 4-peat, or at least another couple runs. Are we gonna act like Dirk would not be sitting on at least 2 rings right now and in debates with Hakeem of being borderline top 10 if they still had their defensive anchor in Chandler?

:biggums:
Yes, we are gonna act like that because suggesting they had a snowballs chance in hell in even repeating is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[DMAVS41]

Care to elaborate? Mavs front office robbed Dirk of potentially a 4-peat, or at least another couple runs. Are we gonna act like Dirk would not be sitting on at least 2 rings right now if they still had their defensive anchor in Chandler?

:biggums:

Yes...tell me how the above team in 12 and 13 is winning anything. They aren't.

Take a look at how the Knicks did the last 3 years playing in a joke conference. Chandler is simply not good enough to be the clear cut 2nd best player on a title winning team.

Therefore it makes no sense to pay him 15 million a year unless you already have the two guys in place. We didn't, therefore it was smart to let him go. Now we do have the two guys in place and he's on an expiring contract so it doesn't hurt us.

I swear to God people don't get it. Terry/Kidd/Marion/Dirk have all declined...Terry/Kidd so much...how are they even making a finals again let winning multiple rings like you claim.

The big mistake the Mavs made was Odom. Cuban and Nellie deserve hate for that. Giving up a first round pick for Odom and money turned out to be a terrible move. That pick and exception, spent on a quality player, actually would have given that 12 team a chance... in fact a better chance than with Chandler as we were able to add players like Carter, West, and Wright. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Odom move at the time, but obviously we don't have the kind of info that basketball management does. They didn't do their due diligence and it ****ed us.

Hate on them for that. Don't hate on them for signing Chandler to a huge contract in this CBA with an aging team that has little to no chance to win and hamstrings their cap for the next 3 to 5 years.

[BallsOut]

Yes, we are gonna act like that because suggesting they had a snowballs chance in hell in even repeating is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I never said they would repeat, but who's to say they wouldn't be in the finals again with the same team? OKC's inexperience was exposed in the finals by Miami that year. Mavs surely had a chance to beat them again. And considering how the Mavs took the Spurs to 7 this playoffs WITHOUT Chandler, I don't think it's too far-fetched to believe that they could have beat them with him.

[DMAVS41]

I never said they would repeat, but who's to say they wouldn't be in the finals again with the same team? OKC's inexperience was exposed in the finals by Miami that year. Mavs surely had a chance to beat them again. And considering how the Mavs took the Spurs to 7 this playoffs WITHOUT Chandler, I don't think it's too far-fetched to believe that they could have beat them with him.

You aren't getting it again.

1. We don't know what would have happened. I'd bet my life we don't win in 12, but I can't claim to know for sure. I think the only thing up for debate is 12. Personally I could see us beating the Thunder, but no way beating the Thunder, Spurs, and Heat...that is too much to ask and we would have had to beat all of them because we wouldn't have been the 1 seed.


2. Do you not realize we wouldn't have had Calderon or Ellis or Carter or Wright if we had kept Chandler? It would have given us virtually no room to add guys like that with his 15 million a year.

3. So 2012...yea...we can debate that...but it is painfully obvious that the Mavs would have been just as bad in 13 with Dirk out and clearly worse in 14. and our future would look worse because we couldn't have added Ellis last summer.

[BallsOut]

The exact opposite actually...

Here is a look at what the salaries would have been in 12 (estimates);

Dirk 19 million
Chandler 14.5 million
Terry 11 million
Kidd 10 million
Marion 8 million
Haywood 7 million

ROFL...that is 69 million right there. You have nothing left to do anything. It's add vet minimum guys. It's a good team no doubt in 12, but it's certainly worse than our team in 11 as it would lack depth and it would add another year to all the old players. I think we could have given the Thunder a real scare and perhaps won, but that isn't enough to beat either the Spurs or Heat as well. If 2011 was a 20 to 1 shot to win the title...2012 would have been a 50 to 1 shot. You don't mortgage the next 4 to 5 years of a franchise for a 50 to 1 shot to win the title.

They could easily have traded Terry who's value was at an all-time high. Haywood could've been shipped for a first round pick too. That's enough to bring them under the cap and create enough for an MLE type of player.

[DMAVS41]

They could easily have traded Terry who's value was at an all-time high. Haywood could've been shipped for a first round pick too. That's enough to bring them under the cap and create enough for an MLE type of player.

Why would you trade Terry? What? You are going to trade him away after you bring back Chandler to make another run? That makes no sense and would have been absurd.

You don't bring back Chandler to make another title run in 12 and then trade the 2nd best player on the team in the 11 playoffs...and Terry was on an expiring contract in 12. The trade makes no ****ing sense at all.

You have lost your mind.

[BallsOut]

Yes...tell me how the above team in 12 and 13 is winning anything. They aren't.

Take a look at how the Knicks did the last 3 years playing in a joke conference. Chandler is simply not good enough to be the clear cut 2nd best player on a title winning team.

Therefore it makes no sense to pay him 15 million a year unless you already have the two guys in place. We didn't, therefore it was smart to let him go. Now we do have the two guys in place and he's on an expiring contract so it doesn't hurt us.

I swear to God people don't get it. Terry/Kidd/Marion/Dirk have all declined...Terry/Kidd so much...how are they even making a finals again let winning multiple rings like you claim.

The big mistake the Mavs made was Odom. Cuban and Nellie deserve hate for that. Giving up a first round pick for Odom and money turned out to be a terrible move. That pick and exception, spent on a quality player, actually would have given that 12 team a chance... in fact a better chance than with Chandler as we were able to add players like Carter, West, and Wright. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Odom move at the time, but obviously we don't have the kind of info that basketball management does. They didn't do their due diligence and it ****ed us.

Hate on them for that. Don't hate on them for signing Chandler to a huge contract in this CBA with an aging team that has little to no chance to win and hamstrings their cap for the next 3 to 5 years.

Let's not forget the Mavs only traded for Odom, because they decided to let Chandler go. It's not like they needed another big. Chandler would've been 100x better for them than Odom in 2011-12 and the following seasons to come. Odom was making what 10 mill? For another 5 mill they could've retained Chandler and perhaps be sitting on another championship ring or two. Mavs front office cheapened out, and you know it.

[BallsOut]

Why would you trade Terry? What? You are going to trade him away after you bring back Chandler to make another run? That makes no sense and would have been absurd.

You don't bring back Chandler to make another title run in 12 and then trade the 2nd best player on the team in the 11 playoffs...and Terry was on an expiring contract in 12. The trade makes no ****ing sense at all.

You have lost your mind.

And you act like there was a considerable gap in the playoffs between Terry's scoring and Chandler's defensive prowess. Chandler could be debated to be the 2nd best player behind Dirk just based on defensive impact alone.

During the offseason, Terry could have been traded to Golden State for Ellis. All it would've took was Terry + 1st round pick the Mavs sent to the Lakers for Odom. Golden State was fielding offers for Ellis ever since they learned of Curry's potential.

You don't keep an aging bench scorer over your defensive starting Center anchor. Those bench scorers are a dime a dozen in this league. Chandler's rim protection ability was and still is a very rare commodity in the NBA today. That was the Mavs mistake. Not knowing what their priorities were. And as a result, Dirk's legacy amongst the top 10 is now in question. He would've been in talks right there with Hakeem. All he needed was another ring with a subpar cast.

[dubeta]

LMAO so we gonna act like the Mavs didnt just have a lucky 2 month hot streak in 2011

[magnax1]

No. They probabky wouldnt have nade the conference finals.
Making the mistake of trading for chandler isnt proof not signing him was a mistake.

[DMAVS41]

Let's not forget the Mavs only traded for Odom, because they decided to let Chandler go. It's not like they needed another big. Chandler would've been 100x better for them than Odom in 2011-12 and the following seasons to come. Odom was making what 10 mill? For another 5 mill they could've retained Chandler and perhaps be sitting on another championship ring or two. Mavs front office cheapened out, and you know it.

Sigh...you don't get it again.

Odom was on a 1 year deal for 8 million. Chandler wanted 60 million over 4 years.

Are you new to the NBA? We offered Chandler a 21 million dollar deal in 12 to stay and he turned it down.

So, uhhhh, no...we couldn't have kept Chandler at the price you listed.

No sir...what you don't know is clearly the entire story. And I'd like to know on what ****ing planet the 13 Mavs are winning the title with an injured Dirk and Chandler averaging 6/8/1.

This is what is so ****ing stupid about fans. You just pick a narrative and never change from it ever...even if you are just proven wrong.

What more do you need? Tyson Chandler on the Knicks in the playoffs;

6/8/1 55% TS

You really still harping on Cuban for not paying that ****ing guy 60 plus million for 4 years in this CBA???????

[DMAVS41]

And you act like there was a considerable gap in the playoffs between Terry's scoring and Chandler's defensive prowess. Chandler could be debated to be the 2nd best player behind Dirk just based on defensive impact alone.

During the offseason, Terry could have been traded to Golden State for Ellis. All it would've took was Terry + 1st round pick the Mavs sent to the Lakers for Odom. Golden State was fielding offers for Ellis ever since they learned of Curry's potential.

You don't keep an aging bench scorer over your defensive starting Center anchor. Those bench scorers are a dime a dozen in this league. Chandler's rim protection ability was and still is a very rare commodity in the NBA today. That was the Mavs mistake. Not knowing what their priorities were. And as a result, Dirk's legacy amongst the top 10 is now in question. He would've been in talks right there with Hakeem. All he needed was another ring with a subpar cast.

Dude. You don't bring back Chandler and then trade Terry. That isn't realistic at all. That is not even fantasy basketball level...it's in your wildest dreams type shit do you trade Terry and his expiring contract before 2012 while you commit to making another run at the title.

Makes no sense.

I don't know what else to tell you.


Sigh...and we didn't keep Terry over Chandler. We didn't want to sign any of our older players to long contracts in this CBA. Which makes perfect sense. Take a look at how everyone has done away from the Mavs.

Barea - after thought...trade bait garbage
Stevenson - out of league
Kidd - horrid and out of league
Terry - horrid and should be out of league
Chandler - horrid overall since leaving the mavs. had a good regular season in 12, but was dreadful in the playoffs (when the games actually matter) and injured as usual
Butler - terrible...clippers paid him 8 million a year for 3 years and started to regret it after 1 day
Haywood - irrelevant and out of league
Peja - out of league

Dude. Just accept that our team greatly overachieved and got absurdly hot during the playoffs. We were a 20 to 1 shot to win the title in 11 and would have had even less a chance going forward. It's just the truth.

[RoTM]

And you act like there was a considerable gap in the playoffs between Terry's scoring and Chandler's defensive prowess. Chandler could be debated to be the 2nd best player behind Dirk just based on defensive impact alone.

During the offseason, Terry could have been traded to Golden State for Ellis. All it would've took was Terry + 1st round pick the Mavs sent to the Lakers for Odom. Golden State was fielding offers for Ellis ever since they learned of Curry's potential.

You don't keep an aging bench scorer over your defensive starting Center anchor. Those bench scorers are a dime a dozen in this league. Chandler's rim protection ability was and still is a very rare commodity in the NBA today. That was the Mavs mistake. Not knowing what their priorities were. And as a result, Dirk's legacy amongst the top 10 is now in question. He would've been in talks right there with Hakeem. All he needed was another ring with a subpar cast.

You can't just look at things in a vacuum where you ignore perspective. Just taking the Monta trade talk example people thought GS was insane for turning down OJ Mayo for him straight up back then. You have to take into account how much the Mavs valued the opportunity cost of getting CP, or Dwight.

[DMAVS41]

You can't just look at things in a vacuum where you ignore perspective. Just taking the Monta trade talk example people thought GS was insane for turning down Monta Ellis for him straight up back then. You have to take into account how much the Mavs valued the opportunity cost of getting CP, or Dwight.

Don't bother with that side of it. He can't comprehend the basics.

What he doesn't get is that in real time you don't know that you will miss out on Howard and Paul like we did.

It's sign Chandler and have no chance to win for 3 years at least and mortgage the future a bit...or piece together the best team possible in 12 and have a ton of flexiblity/chances to land a superstar over the next 3 years.

I wish we had a parallel universe in which we kept Chandler. It would be so funny to see the dumbass fans here bitcing about us not keeping him...they'd be the first ones bitching about how we never should have signed him to so mcuh and how we can't win other old kidd, old terry, old dirk, old marion...etc.

[Johnny Jones]

How many people actually read DMAVS massive walls of text?

[gasolina]

All of OP's posts

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seriously, keeping chandler, plus hypothetical trades... :facepalm

Might as well say the Mavs keep chandler, miss the '12 playoffs, inexplicable win the lottery in 2013, drafts a healthy bennett who averages 25-10-5 in the finals.

[kentatm]

Cuban's Trade for Chandler confirms mistake of not re-signing him in 2011

Straight up false

Mavs traded to get Chandler back b/c he is on a big fat expiring contract (just like when they got him the first time)

The mistake was not realizing Lamar Odom was going to completely fall off the face of the earth with mental issues.

Nobody saw that coming.

[DMAVS41]

Straight up false

Mavs traded to get Chandler back b/c he is on a big fat expiring contract (just like when they got him the first time)

The mistake was not realizing Lamar Odom was going to completely fall off the face of the earth with mental issues.

Nobody saw that coming.


Exactly to the bold.

If, as fans, we need to hate on Cuban/Nellie...then at least do it for that. I personally loved the Odom move so it's hard for me to say anything, but they were in a far better position to do their due diligence and it kind of sounds like they didn't.

But regardless, that was the move that killed us in 12. We actually had a really solid team in 12 by the time in the playoffs (our offense took a long time to work)...

Carter and West were playing well at the end of the season and Mahinmi/Haywood/Wright do a really good job making up for Chandler being gone. You throw in another 8 to 10 million dollar a year player with his head on straight...and that team has 11 type potential without mortgaging the future for Chandler.

[kentatm]

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But regardless, that was the move that killed us in 12. We actually had a really solid team in 12 by the time in the playoffs (our offense took a long time to work)...

Carter and West were playing well at the end of the season and Mahinmi/Haywood/Wright do a really good job making up for Chandler being gone. You throw in another 8 to 10 million dollar a year player with his head on straight...and that team has 11 type potential without mortgaging the future for Chandler.


I dont think most people realize the Mavs D was actually better in 12 than 11.

Odom being a massive void all year screwed that team. Literally any other player that simply gave a shit on the roster would have been an improvement b/c he was that big of a suck on the locker room.

Hell, the Mavs probably would have kept Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer had they known Odom was about to blow a mental fuse.

That alone would have made a huge positive impact on the team.

[DMAVS41]

I dont think most people realize the Mavs D was actually better in 12 than 11.

Odom being a massive void all year screwed that team. Literally anyone else on the roster would have been an improvement b/c he was that big of a suck on the locker room.

Hell, the Mavs probably would have kept Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer had they known Odom was about to blow a mental fuse.

That alone would have made a huge positive impact on the team.

So true. It was our offense...which I knew was dreadful most of the year, but damn...I just looked and it was the 22nd ranked offense. Ugh...

[BallsOut]

You can't just look at things in a vacuum where you ignore perspective. Just taking the Monta trade talk example people thought GS was insane for turning down OJ Mayo for him straight up back then. You have to take into account how much the Mavs valued the opportunity cost of getting CP, or Dwight.

Mavs never even had a chance with Chris Paul or Dwight. No notable free agent superstars ever go to Dallas in the NBA. Mavs front office too busy being delusional when all they had to do was re-sign Tyson Chandler who provides what Dwight would for them at a fraction of the cost.

[BallsOut]

It's sign Chandler and have no chance to win for 3 years at least and mortgage the future a bit...or piece together the best team possible in 12 and have a ton of flexiblity/chances to land a superstar over the next 3 years.


They won the title in 2011 with Chandler. Get that through your thick skull. They would have just as good of a chance in 2012. I'll concede 2013 due to injuries to both Dirk and Chandler. But 2014 they would have another great shot, assuming Terry was gone by then and Ellis's arrival.

It's funny you mention mortgaging the future when the Mavs haven't done shit since letting Chandler go in 2011. 1st round exits/missing playoffs every season since. What future? Future of mediocrity :oldlol:

[kentatm]

Mavs never even had a chance with Chris Paul or Dwight. No notable free agent superstars ever go to Dallas in the NBA. Mavs front office too busy being delusional when all they had to do was re-sign Tyson Chandler who provides what Dwight would for them at a fraction of the cost.


I guess Shawn Marion wasn't notable?

Getting Vince and Monta for a reduced price b/c they liked the culture in Dallas was nothing?

Being able to resign Dirk twice isn't an accomplishment?

[DMAVS41]

Mavs never even had a chance with Chris Paul or Dwight. No notable free agent superstars ever go to Dallas in the NBA. Mavs front office too busy being delusional when all they had to do was re-sign Tyson Chandler who provides what Dwight would for them at a fraction of the cost.

Not really a fraction of the cost. And Howard is literally twice as good as chandler....

[kentatm]

They won the title in 2011 with Chandler. Get that through your thick skull. They would have just as good of a chance in 2012. I'll concede 2013 due to injuries to both Dirk and Chandler. But 2014 they would have another great shot, assuming Terry was gone by then and Ellis's arrival.

It's funny you mention mortgaging the future when the Mavs haven't done shit since letting Chandler go in 2011. 1st round exits/missing playoffs every season since. What future? Future of mediocrity :oldlol:

:facepalm

once again, the Mavs defense was better in '12 than it was in '11.

Losing Chandler was NOT what brought that team down.

If you can't understand this you need to go back to basketball school.

[DMAVS41]

They won the title in 2011 with Chandler. Get that through your thick skull. They would have just as good of a chance in 2012. I'll concede 2013 due to injuries to both Dirk and Chandler. But 2014 they would have another great shot, assuming Terry was gone by then and Ellis's arrival.

It's funny you mention mortgaging the future when the Mavs haven't done shit since letting Chandler go in 2011. 1st round exits/missing playoffs every season since. What future? Future of mediocrity :oldlol:

You can't look back like that. At the time they didn't know we'd miss out on Paul and Howard.

But again, it's about the future now. And our team last year and going forward is in a much better place than it would have been with Chandler. It's just a ****ing fact at this point.

Did you watch Chandler play in the playoffs on the Knicks?????? They dude was a ****ing scrub.

Stop advocating for an owner to pay nearly 58 million over 4 years for a player that averages 6/8/1

[DMAVS41]

:facepalm

once again, the Mavs defense was better in '12 than it was in '11.

Losing Chandler was NOT what brought that team down.

If you can't understand this you need to go back to basketball school.

Honestly, we could have had the worst offense in the league in 12 if we had kept Chandler and didn't have the room for Carter and West.

[BallsOut]

I guess Shawn Marion wasn't notable?

Getting Vince and Monta for a reduced price b/c they liked the culture in Dallas was nothing?

Being able to resign Dirk twice isn't an accomplishment?

I said notable superstar players. Not good role players which is what Shawn Marion, Vince Carter and Monta Ellis are.

Dirk was traded to the Mavs. Not like he openly signed with them as a free agent. He re-signed based on loyalty to the organization.

[DMAVS41]

I said notable superstar players. Not good role players which is what Shawn Marion, Vince Carter and Monta Ellis are.

Dirk was traded to the Mavs. Not like he openly signed with them as a free agent. He re-signed based on loyalty to the organization.

Could you please explain how Chandler and his huge contract are helping the Mavs offense?

I'd like to hear how our offense wouldn't have been complete dog shit.

[kentatm]

I said notable superstar players. Not good role players which is what Shawn Marion, Vince Carter and Monta Ellis are.

Dirk was traded to the Mavs. Not like he openly signed with them as a free agent. He re-signed based on loyalty to the organization.

First off, Dirk was "traded" to the Mavs in name only. He was drafted by them via draft day deal.

Second, he re-signed b/c HE LIKES WORKING FOR CUBAN and trusts the organization.

You act like that isn't a big deal but tell that to places like Orlando, Cleavland, and Denver who have all had major players leave/force their way out.

and finally, how many times has Cuban had cap room to sign a "superstar" FA? I'll let ya know. All of twice. And one of those years they didn't even truly want to sign Deron Williams at his asking price. LeBron/Bosh/Wade colluded to create their team. That can't be on Cuban. Missing on Howard sucked but even he said that he like the Mavs presentation the best. He picked Houston b/c of Harden's age vs Dirk's. Again, that can't be on Cuban.



and how the hell is Chandler a notable superstar player since that seems to be what you are pissed about them letting go?

[miggyme1]

that doesnt confirm cubans mistake..what confirmed his mistake was when he didnt land deron williams or dwight howard. but thats business...u have to take risks to be successful.

mavs have still been a competitive team and they only missed the playoffs one season since winning it in 11.

my question now is....what was the purpose of bringin chandler back when its the mavs offense thats been spurting and not really the defense. i guess we will see tho

[Cone]

Yes, we are gonna act like that because suggesting they had a snowballs chance in hell in even repeating is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

:biggums:

in all the dumb things you hear on Ish, the mavs having even a slightly chance to repeat is the dumbest thing you've heard?

what a dumb ass thread

[smoovegittar]

How many people actually read DMAVS massive walls of text?
I do. He cares about his team AND IS INTELLIGIBLE. :applause:

[paperstreet]

Lest we forget; 2012 was a lockout year. the mavs were not repeating in 2012. All their players were old and weren't going to cut it in a season full of b2bs.

Furthermore, offering TC a huge deal without knowing the new cba ramifications was not a good financial move.

I don't fault Cuban for "breaking up the team". The Knicks clearly overpayed.

But letting Rudy and brewer go and trading for odom were not good moves.

[kentatm]

my question now is....what was the purpose of bringin chandler back when its the mavs offense thats been spurting and not really the defense. i guess we will see tho

They pretty much traded for him b/c they think he is a better starting C than Dalembert and b/c he has a massive expiring contract.

[DMAVS41]

They pretty much traded for him b/c they think he is a better starting C than Dalembert and b/c he has a massive expiring contract.

Yep.

Salvaged cap space this year and next summer while addressing a big weakness on our team.

And in the process we got out of a contract for a guard that wasn't working for us.

So far so good, but now we have to find a way to get good value out of anyone we bring in.

[TonyMontana]

Of course in hindsight it looks like a bad move.

But what the Mavs were looking at was the possibility of having their own superstar trio(Dwight Howard and Melo/Deron Williams?) The chances of Dallas winning another championship with that same core was miniscule even with Chandler(especially with the kind of contract it would take to retain him). I probably would have done the same thing even though Chandler was the best teammate Dirk had in his entire career.

[DMAVS41]

Of course in hindsight it looks like a bad move.

But what the Mavs were looking at was the possibility of having their own superstar trio(Dwight Howard and Melo/Deron Williams?) The chances of Dallas winning another championship with that same core was miniscule even with Chandler(especially with the kind of contract it would take to retain him). I probably would have done the same thing even though Chandler was the best teammate Dirk had in his entire career.

It was the other "moves" that were bad...not the Chandler one.

You don't pay 14 million a year for a center that average 6/8/1 in the playoffs.

It was a great move not paying Chandler that much. Only problem is that until the Ellis signing...we didn't take advantage of it as we missed with Odom, Mayo, Kaman, and Collison.

[Sarcastic]

Cuban offered Tyson 1 year $20 million. He didn't want to go long term, because he wanted to save the money for Dwight. He took a gamble and lost. I am sure if he knew he wasn't going to get Dwight, he would've offered Tyson a long term deal.

[TonyMontana]

It was the other "moves" that were bad...not the Chandler one.

You don't pay 14 million a year for a center that average 6/8/1 in the playoffs.

It was a great move not paying Chandler that much. Only problem is that until the Ellis signing...we didn't take advantage of it as we missed with Odom, Mayo, Kaman, and Collison.

Chandler even with his 6/8/1 stats is better than all those guys listed impact wise. He is an elite rim protector.

Dallas got those guys simply because they had no other options at the time. It was those guys or d-league esque players. The only bad move of the organization was not getting Howard and Williams/Melo. It was a risk and unfortunately they struck out.

[DMAVS41]

Chandler even with his 6/8/1 stats is better than all those guys listed impact wise. He is an elite rim protector.

Dallas got those guys simply because they had no other options at the time. It was those guys or d-league esque players. The only bad move of the organization was not getting Howard and Williams/Melo. It was a risk and unfortunately they struck out.

Of course Chandler is better than all those guys. That was never in dispute...it was about was he good enough to commit 58 million over 4 years.

Honestly though...I think you are letting management/ownership off the hook a little if we are going to look back. The odom signing was horrid. Mayo didn't work. Collison didn't fit. Kaman was bad...etc.

There is no reason why we had to miss on so many guys outside of Carter.

They are two separte things.

Clearly what the Knicks gave to Chandler was a gross overpay for his on court impact. So that was a good move for the Mavs not to match that...

That has no impact on the Mavs other moves though...which were fine honestly (i'm not blaming them at all really)...they just didn't work out. And Chandler didn't have an impact on that.

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Cuban offered Tyson 1 year $20 million. He didn't want to go long term, because he wanted to save the money for Dwight. He took a gamble and lost. I am sure if he knew he wasn't going to get Dwight, he would've offered Tyson a long term deal.

Honestly. Even if he knew we wouldn't land Howard or Paul...I still think it's the smart move to not overpay Chandler like that.