Aaron Gordon vs Derrick Williams, who was better coming into the NBA?

[Cocaine80s]

I remember Derrick Williams almost going #1 over Kyrie with the way he played in the ncaa tournament. I feel like him and Gordon are almost the same, except Derrick was a better ball handler and shooter coming in. What makes these two different? I think Gordon is slightly more athletic though

[TonyMontana]

They are not so similar. The only thing they have in common is that they are both tweeners and will both be labeled as "busts" in the future.

Aaron Gordon has tweener size and no skill at all. What he does have is natural athleticism.

Derrick Williams was the better college player, but wasn't really that athletic(by NBA standards). Also lacked three point shooting so his skill was irrelevant at the NBA level. Similar to Evan Turner.

[chocolatethunder]

They are not so similar. The only thing they have in common is that they are both tweeners and will both be labeled as "busts" in the future.

Aaron Gordon has tweener size and no skill at all. What he does have is natural athleticism.

Derrick Williams was the better college player, but wasn't really that athletic(by NBA standards). Also lacked three point shooting so his skill was irrelevant at the NBA level. Similar to Evan Turner.
In Gordon's defense, he can play extremely good D and he can pass really well. That doesn't mean that he's going to be good at all but those are his only two skills.

[Johnny Jones]

They are not so similar. The only thing they have in common is that they are both tweeners and will both be labeled as "busts" in the future.

Aaron Gordon has tweener size and no skill at all. What he does have is natural athleticism.

Derrick Williams was the better college player, but wasn't really that athletic(by NBA standards). Also lacked three point shooting so his skill was irrelevant at the NBA level. Similar to Evan Turner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPymIMsOYl8

[TonyMontana]

In Gordon's defense, he can play extremely good D and he can pass really well. That doesn't mean that he's going to be good at all but those are his only two skills.

Not so sure about his defense, havn't seen anything that impressed me other than highlight reel blocks where he is relying on athletiscm. This would be ok if he was 7 feet tall with a decent wingspan, but the wingspan is not impressive at all. He also appears to have a low IQ, so unless he is put in the right situation it's going to be irrelevant. See Michael Kidd Gilchrist, a guy labeled as the next Pippen on defense as a prospect. lol

[Cocaine80s]

They are not so similar. The only thing they have in common is that they are both tweeners and will both be labeled as "busts" in the future.

Aaron Gordon has tweener size and no skill at all. What he does have is natural athleticism.

Derrick Williams was the better college player, but wasn't really that athletic(by NBA standards). Also lacked three point shooting so his skill was irrelevant at the NBA level. Similar to Evan Turner.
Williams was a better 3 pt shooter than Gordon



also hes athletic as ****

[Smook A.]

Derrick Williams was. He was #1 in many mocks and had very high expectations because of his potential and skill. I don't think Aaron Gordon was ever #1 in any mock.

[Cocaine80s]

Derrick Williams was. He was #1 in many mocks and had very high expectations because of his potential and skill. I don't think Aaron Gordon was ever #1 in any mock.
2011 draft was also very weak tho

[Black and White]

Dunno, but they both are better than LaVine

[Cocaine80s]

Dunno, but they both are better than LaVine
Lol no they arent gtfo troll

[Jameerthefear]

Gordon = very athletic, elite defender, elite rebounder, good passer

[TonyMontana]

Williams was a better 3 pt shooter than Gordon



also hes athletic as ****

Williams has no three point range.

Unless you are 7 feet tall and/or a freak athlete you need three point range to succeed in the NBA. That's why every decent player with an "unathletic" label has a great three point shot.

And he is not that athletic by NBA standards. being a "good athlete" simply doesn't cut it if you want to be an asset. One needs to bring more to the table.

[Cocaine80s]

Williams has no three point range.

Unless you are 7 feet tall and/or a freak athlete you need three point range to succeed in the NBA. That's why every decent player with an "unathletic" label has a great three point shot.

And he is not that athletic by NBA standards. being a "good athlete" simply doesn't cut it if you want to be an asset. One needs to bring more to the table.
Williams shot 57% from three coming out of college....

[noob cake]

Gordon = very athletic, elite defender, elite rebounder, good passer

Seriously kids, cut the athleticism = defense shit out.

Gordon and Wiggins are SHIT defenders. They have potential to be elite.

[Black and White]

Lol no they arent gtfo troll

Oh so LaVine > Gordon right??? :oldlol:

[Cocaine80s]

Oh so LaVine > Gordon right??? :oldlol:
True

[Jameerthefear]

Seriously kids, cut the athleticism = defense shit out.

Gordon and Wiggins are SHIT defenders. They have potential to be elite.
u are dumb. very dumb

[TonyMontana]

Williams shot 57% from three coming out of college....

Are you not aware the three point line is farther in the NBA?

Anyone can shoot threes in college. There is a reason this guy is below 30% for his NBA career. He can't shoot threes at the NBA level.

Unless you are a 7 footer or a franchise player you need to be able to shoot threes. That is why he is a failure in the NBA.

[the mesiah]

Out of arizona ,derrick williams was very athletic.he had good slashing moves , nice little outside shot .He would get past the 4's and over power the 3's.he was a Beasley light imo.
Gordon is just a guy with a high motor and will mostly rely on his hops and score off put backs,garbage plays , leak outs,oops.
I still think Gordon will last longer in the league because he does have that high motor and will to play defense always has a place in the league and mentally he looks like he will mature faster and know his role.

[Black and White]

True

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Cocaine80s]

Are you not aware the three point line is farther in the NBA?

Anyone can shoot threes in college. There is a reason this guy is below 30% for his NBA career. He can't shoot threes at the NBA level.

Unless you are a 7 footer or a franchise player you need to be able to shoot threes. That is why he is a failure in the NBA.
Aaron Gordon vs Derrick Williams, who was better coming into the NBA?

[Cocaine80s]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Lavine>Smart as well

[Jameerthefear]

gordon is 18 years old. 2nd youngest player in the draft. williams was 21 years old.

[Cocaine80s]

Also Gordon>Smart

[Cocaine80s]

gordon is 18 years old. 2nd youngest player in the draft. williams was 21 years old.
Williams was 20

[Black and White]

Lavine>Smart as well

We will let the upcoming season decide that.....

[Smook A.]

Seriously kids, cut the athleticism = defense shit out.

Gordon and Wiggins are SHIT defenders. They have potential to be elite.
:kobe:

[Cocaine80s]

We will let the upcoming season decide that.....
im pretty sure they'll be guarding each other in the rising stars game so we'll see then

[Black and White]

im pretty sure they'll be guarding each other in the rising stars game so we'll see then

Yea they probably will be, or payton/exum might be, I dunno.

[Cocaine80s]

Yea they probably will be, or payton/exum might be, I dunno.
Youre right, i may have failed to account for the possibility of Smart not being selected for that game. Either way, it'll prove Lavine is the better rookie

[outbreak]

Not so sure about his defense, havn't seen anything that impressed me other than highlight reel blocks where he is relying on athletiscm. This would be ok if he was 7 feet tall with a decent wingspan, but the wingspan is not impressive at all. He also appears to have a low IQ, so unless he is put in the right situation it's going to be irrelevant. See Michael Kidd Gilchrist, a guy labeled as the next Pippen on defense as a prospect. lol

So you missed the fact he can defend guards and centres and that everyone who has been involved with him talks about how high his bball iq is.

Derrick Williams was more polished but Gordon has a better base to build from. Don't expect him to do much this season though as he is a long term prospect.

[Black and White]

Youre right, i may have failed to account for the possibility of Smart not being selected for that game. Either way, it'll prove Lavine is the better rookie

Of course Smart will get selected (as long as he performs to the standard that is required), its stupid to make these assumptions right now when we dont know how either will play in the NBA

[Cocaine80s]

Of course Smart will get selected (as long as he performs to the standard that is required), its stupid to make these assumptions right now when we dont know how either will play in the NBA
lol will Smart even get much playing time behind Rondo and Bradley?

[Black and White]

lol will Smart even get much playing time behind Rondo and Bradley?

Our off-season isn't over, and Danny is getting offers for Rondo, we will have to wait and see.

[noob cake]

u are dumb. very dumb

You are retarded if you think Gordon is already an elite NBA defender. He straight up got embarrassed yesterday by mostly D-League level players. Bandwaggoning lovers of pure athleticism are some of the dumbest fans in the basketball world.

[Jameerthefear]

did u watch the game yesterday? he played well defensively, just was shit on offense. i didn't say he was an elite nba defender either you dipshit

[noob cake]

did u watch the game yesterday? he played well defensively, just was shit on offense. i didn't say he was an elite nba defender either you dipshit


Gordon = very athletic, elite defender, elite rebounder, good passer


Short term memory I see? As expected from a fan of no skill, all athleticism basketball.

[Milbuck]

Didn't read OP.

Lavine sucks ass.

[Cocaine80s]

Didn't read OP.

Lavine sucks ass.
Dude u probably wouldve shit urself if Milwaukee drafted Lavine.

Stay average with Giannis and Jafari

[noob cake]

Dude u probably wouldve shit urself if Milwaukee drafted Lavine.

Stay average with Giannis and Jafari

Lavine, Gordon, Williams, Wiggins, all the same type of low skill, high athleticism players.

Calling it here; Parker is a future superstar. Giannis is at least a very good 3 and D SF/PF.

[Jameerthefear]

Short term memory I see? As expected from a fan of no skill, all athleticism basketball.
elite defender in college u dipshit. do i have to spell this out for u?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Also Gordon>Smart

Smart is gonna be a good NBA player imo, he looks really fluid with the ball in his hands. Gordon I feel like was the dumbest pick in the draft, idk why Orlando didn't just go with Exum. :confusedshrug:

[Black and White]

Dude u probably wouldve shit urself if Milwaukee drafted Lavine.

Stay average with Giannis and Jafari

Did you just say the Bucks should have drafted LaVine > Jabari Parker???

Just getting you on record.

[AboutBuckets]

Out of arizona ,derrick williams was very athletic.he had good slashing moves , nice little outside shot .He would get past the 4's and over power the 3's.he was a Beasley light imo.
Gordon is just a guy with a high motor and will mostly rely on his hops and score off put backs,garbage plays , leak outs,oops.
I still think Gordon will last longer in the league because he does have that high motor and will to play defense always has a place in the league and mentally he looks like he will mature faster and know his role.

In theory his game reminds me of Kenneth Faried, maybe not the same level of intensity though. Players like that will always have a spot in the league, hustle and effort are two things that make a difference in the game without doing so on the stat sheet

[Milbuck]

Dude u probably wouldve shit urself if Milwaukee drafted Lavine.

Stay average with Giannis and Jafari
I would've shat blood if we drafted that scrub with the 2nd pick.

Rookie Jabari will be better than Lavine will ever be.

Calling it here; Parker is a future superstar. Giannis is at least a very good 3 and D SF/PF.
Pretty much this.

[Cocaine80s]

I would've shat blood if we drafted that scrub with the 2nd pick.

Rookie Jabari will be better than Lavine will ever be.

Pretty much this.
Negged

[NugzFan]

Gordon = very athletic, elite defender, elite rebounder, good passer


I don't think you know what elite means.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

Rookie Jabari will be better than Lavine will ever be.


this and it will never ever be close

[Ca$H]

Gordon = very athletic, elite defender, elite rebounder, good passer

Gordon = gay Shawn Marion

[Black and White]

Negged

You neg someone for telling the truth? :biggums:

[Cocaine80s]

You neg someone for telling the truth? :biggums:
Was a joke fool I'm already red

[Black and White]

Was a joke fool I'm already red

Red is where you should be for making comments like that.

[Cocaine80s]

Red is where you should be for making comments like that.
Negged

[Bosnian Sajo]

Negged

Negged, and congrats on your 3rd red bar :cheers:

[Cocaine80s]

Negged, and congrats on your 3rd red bar :cheers:
Repped

[Bosnian Sajo]

Repped

Lies :rant