BREAKING: Channing Frye signs with Magic; 4 years, $32 million

[Kingwillball]

Wow Channing Frye got PAID. I thought he was dumb for opting out. He proved me wrong

Well Heat got a better player for 2 Mil cheaper so yeah OVERpaid..

[GimmeThat]

Nick Young can probably play the 3
Humphries at 8 mil might be worth it because of the rebounding.


how many 3s do you even think he will be taking next year on the Magic's?

3-4?

they over paid him.

[Meticode]

What the f*ck are the Magic doing?

[kshutts1]

You hate the fit in terms of Frye playing on a bad team...right? I agree from that standpoint that Frye would be fun to watch on a contending team.

But the basketball fit of Frye on the Magic is pretty much perfect. He is exactly what this team needs from the perspective of the floor spacing around a bunch of young guys that can't shoot.

Totally agree they overpaid Gordon, but again...kind of a good thing. They had to get to the salary floor, needed another guard, and didn't add many wins with the signing.

Yes, hate the fit from a competitive standpoint.
And as valid as the "salary floor" argument is, it has no merit whatsoever in the beginning of the FA period.

[ralph_i_el]

I was alive to see the Ewing-starks days you jealous ass salter hater. I seen them in the finals twice, I seen them in multiple east finals too. Wizards haven't made the finals or even the east finals since when? So that makes you the very ignorant asshole. Thank you very much sir.

you're a broken record that's how I white texted your bitch ass

[NuggetsFan]

They badly, perhaps more than any other team, need shooting. Not just from a competitive standpoint, but from the standpoint of developing their young talent.

Your overrating how crucial Frye is to there development. Awful shooting team, need shooters but having Frye to stretch the floor won't do much for Gordon. He's going to be a high motor, defensive player who's offense will need time regardless. It'll be big for Payton and Oldadipo but anybody who can space the floor could have provided that for them, didn't need a big contract to fix that.


Oldadipo, Payton, Gordon, and Vucevic could never play together without an elite shooting big next to them. Perhaps they still can't at this point because of their lack of shooting.

Teams would clog the paint. Makes things difficult sure, not ideal of course. I watched a Nuggets team make the playoffs like that tho. Channing Frye doesn't decide if they reach there potential. Quit acting like it. Magic needed more shooters, not a 4 year deal for a 31 year old stretch 4.


Frye adds a nice vet presence, allows the young guys to develop, will make the competitive enough to win a few games so they won't be the sixers of last year...but won't win too many games so it hurts their draft pick.

Vet presence? That's something you say when you get one at good cost. You don't sign somebody for 4 years/8m for your reasoning. Any shooter would do, Frye himself is nothing but a shooter.


It's not a :wtf: moment. Gordon and Frye were actually smart signings given the current state of the Magic. It would actually have been much worse to go out and get better players at better values right now. Why? Because they are at least 2 years away from making any noise and rushing that process with other guys is the worst thing they could do. And if they do get good and make the playoffs like others have said....one of the biggest needs for this team will be stretch shooting.


Gordon is the correct way to do things. 2 years, 9 mill. Probably a little too much money but 2 years less, nowhere near as much coin and it helps fix a need. I have no problem with the Gordon singing. Frye is incredibly different. He's got an extra 2 years and waaaaay more cash on it. Not to mention the whole enlarged heart thing. Anything heart related EVER is scary when it comes to sports.


This was actually the first smart thing the Magic have done in a while. The narrative that paying Frye 8 million a year for 4 years (really only 3 because his contract in year 4...even if he's on IR...is an asset) is going to cripple a team that isn't in the playoff hunt and badly needs stretch shooting for young players to develop properly...while also keeping you at the top of the draft....it's silly. It makes sense in a ton of way...


It's not about crippling. Stop being so dramatic. It's just a bad deal. They gave him too much money for too many years. If they still have him on year 3 going into year 4 it means they still have his 8m on the books and have less cap space to work with that offseason. Rebuilding teams shouldn't give out expensive deals for 4 years. There's no point. You add shorter, cheaper deals like Gordon to fill your needs. 4 seasons is a long time. Nobody is lining up to take Frye at 8 mill THIS season, if he fells off abit after next year Orlando is stuck with him until he becomes an expiring.

2 years, 13-14 mill would have been the smart choice. Frye wouldn't play for the Magic for that so they had to overpay.

Just look at Frye's deals relative to his peers. Your trying way to hard to be devils advocate here and it's obvious. Say you don't think it'll have a negative affect or it isn't that big of a deal. Fine, whatever. Don't say they didn't overpay tho or this is a "smart" move :oldlol:

[Droid101]

Gordon signing was fine. Only one year guaranteed.

Frye signing was shit. Too much money too many guaranteed years.

[kshutts1]

@Droid101

I am trying to quote you on the comment of "McBob" being better than Frye "by far". Site is not letting me for some reason. Maybe you edited it out.

Anyway, I totally disagree with that. When talking about players of their respective "caliber", better is nearly equivalent to fit, IMO. Can't say without a doubt that one is better than the other. I prefer Frye. You clearly prefer McBob. But they offer completely different skillsets.

[DMAVS41]

Your overrating how crucial Frye is to there development. Awful shooting team, need shooters but having Frye to stretch the floor won't do much for Gordon. He's going to be a high motor, defensive player who's offense will need time regardless. It'll be big for Payton and Oldadipo but anybody who can space the floor could have provided that for them, didn't need a big contract to fix that.



Teams would clog the paint. Makes things difficult sure, not ideal of course. I watched a Nuggets team make the playoffs like that tho. Channing Frye doesn't decide if they reach there potential. Quit acting like it. Magic needed more shooters, not a 4 year deal for a 31 year old stretch 4.



Vet presence? That's something you say when you get one at good cost. You don't sign somebody for 4 years/8m for your reasoning. Any shooter would do, Frye himself is nothing but a shooter.



Gordon is the correct way to do things. 2 years, 9 mill. Probably a little too much money but 2 years less, nowhere near as much coin and it helps fix a need. I have no problem with the Gordon singing. Frye is incredibly different. He's got an extra 2 years and waaaaay more cash on it. Not to mention the whole enlarged heart thing. Anything heart related EVER is scary when it comes to sports.



It's not about crippling. Stop being so dramatic. It's just a bad deal. They gave him too much money for too many years. If they still have him on year 3 going into year 4 it means they still have his 8m on the books and have less cap space to work with that offseason. Rebuilding teams shouldn't give out expensive deals for 4 years. There's no point. You add shorter, cheaper deals like Gordon to fill your needs. 4 seasons is a long time. Nobody is lining up to take Frye at 8 mill THIS season, if he fells off abit after next year Orlando is stuck with him until he becomes an expiring.

2 years, 13-14 mill would have been the smart choice. Frye wouldn't play for the Magic for that so they had to overpay.

Just look at Frye's deals relative to his peers. Your trying way to hard to be devils advocate here and it's obvious. Say you don't think it'll have a negative affect or it isn't that big of a deal. Fine, whatever. Don't say they didn't overpay tho or this is a "smart" move :oldlol:


I agree with some of this...disagree with a lot.

Who cares what teams are willing to pay this year? The Magic want to keep him for at least 1.5 years. That would be the absolute minimum the Magic would keep him for.

So the real question is that after the cap and tax increase for 2016...and the projected increase for 2017 is looming...will teams be willing to trade of a sharpshooting stretch big? The answer for me is an easy yes. His 8 million dollar a year number will be nothing of note by the 2017 season (the first year a team trading him would have to pay him fully). The cap honestly might go to 70 million entering that season and the tax line could be 86 with the "apron" at 90 million.

The point is that you are looking at this deal in terms of this market only, and that is extremely naive given the state of the NBA moving forward.

Let me ask you this;

Would you be on board with this signing if it was 4 years 24 million?




I never said the development of the young guys depends on Frye solely. I said he really helps that because without a stretch big...that court would be clogged and finding minutes for their young players together on the court would be really tough. Players would develop bad habits, wouldn't have the space to operate and improve in-game, and the frustration level for might reach a pretty high level.

The Magic clearly wanted to add a stretch big vet presence that helps them develop their young players while keeping them competitive (think not the sixers), but not winning too many games to give them a chance at another top 5 pick next year. Frye was the guy for that in my opinion.

Yes, like I have said...in my first post, 8 million a year is probably a slight overpay in a vacuum. 4 years is 1 year too long in a vacuum. But not for the Magic. A team that isn't worried all that much about what it's doing over that time with the cap space. Not like they are in the market for big name free agents next summer. It would be at the earliest the summer of 2016 when they would be in play for improving the team through free agency...and even then that might be optimistic. Like I keep saying. AT that point, Frye would be a 2 year 16 million dollar player in a league that has likely seen the cap go from 63 million this season to 70 plus million entering 2017. That deal will absolutely not be hard to move.

The difference in us is that you seem to not factor in the inflationary period that is going on and coming strong in the NBA in the coming years...and fail to realize that the slight overpay of Frye was calculated. Same thing with Gordon. They wanted a slight overpay. They didn't want the best possible value with those signings because they are playing the game of trying to develop young assets and teach them how to play...while also remaining bottom 5 or so team in the league so they can get a high pick at least 1 more year...probably will be in the lottery the next 2 years.

[Levity]

i feel in the east, the magic can get away with playing frye at C for certain instances. so how does that affect o quinn's minutes. he was becoming a pretty nice defensive player towards the end of the year. would hate to see him lose that momentum.

[NuggetsFan]

I agree with some of this...disagree with a lot.

Who cares what teams are willing to pay this year? The Magic want to keep him for at least 1.5 years. That would be the absolute minimum the Magic would keep him for.

So the real question is that after the cap and tax increase for 2016...and the projected increase for 2017 is looming...will teams be willing to trade of a sharpshooting stretch big? The answer for me is an easy yes. His 8 million dollar a year number will be nothing of note by the 2017 season (the first year a team trading him would have to pay him fully). The cap honestly might go to 70 million entering that season and the tax line could be 86 with the "apron" at 90 million.

The point is that you are looking at this deal in terms of this market only, and that is extremely naive given the state of the NBA moving forward.

Let me ask you this;

Would you be on board with this signing if it was 4 years 24 million?

Cap is rising but nobody knows exact figures. Your basing your opinion on speculation, regardless of how accurate it may or may not be. 8 mill will never be "nothing" and depending on Frye's heart and age by the time they go to move him he might not be as attractive as you seem to think. Doesn't appear teams were lining up to ink him for the deal Orlando gave him in his current state and that speaks for itself I think :confusedshrug: Guess this wasn't the year for sharpshooting bigs.

No, all tho it would look less ugly simply because it'd be cheaper. Where Orlando is they don't need to be clogging there cap with longterm deals that aren't going to be a crucial part of the team. Esp 31 year olds who missed an entire season how long ago with an enlarged heart? Do that after, get your aging expensive role players after. Sign some cheap vets, get after some shooters like Gordon to space for the floor for your rookie PG.

It's not that it's guaranteed to go bad, it's that there's a risk in this deal that it could turn out even slightly ugly and the reward isn't even worth it. Frye won't magically develop your players, anybody spacing the floor would have done just fine for Orlando given where they are right now.

If I'm Orlando I give Frye a 2 year deal. Overpay him if you really love him which they clearly do but something similar to what you gave Gordon. 13m/2y would have been a solid signing that nobody blinks there eye at. 32m/4y makes everybody say wtf and also fcks other teams in the league because they inflate the market because players agents point to deals like this as bargaining chips.

[GimmeThat]

offer another contract to Ariza, one that might be slightly more than this.

and this deal might be saved.

[Johnny Jones]

@Droid101

I am trying to quote you on the comment of "McBob" being better than Frye "by far". Site is not letting me for some reason. Maybe you edited it out.

Anyway, I totally disagree with that. When talking about players of their respective "caliber", better is nearly equivalent to fit, IMO. Can't say without a doubt that one is better than the other. I prefer Frye. You clearly prefer McBob. But they offer completely different skillsets.
I agree with Droid actually. Frye will bring you shooting and decent rebounding at the PF spot. McRoberts gives you high post passing, Cutting to the rim, Good help defense, and shooting.

[DMAVS41]

Cap is rising but nobody knows exact figures. Your basing your opinion on speculation, regardless of how accurate it may or may not be. 8 mill will never be "nothing" and depending on Frye's heart and age by the time they go to move him he might not be as attractive as you seem to think. Doesn't appear teams were lining up to ink him for the deal Orlando gave him in his current state and that speaks for itself I think :confusedshrug: Guess this wasn't the year for sharpshooting bigs.

No, all tho it would look less ugly simply because it'd be cheaper. Where Orlando is they don't need to be clogging there cap with longterm deals that aren't going to be a crucial part of the team. Esp 31 year olds who missed an entire season how long ago with an enlarged heart? Do that after, get your aging expensive role players after. Sign some cheap vets, get after some shooters like Gordon to space for the floor for your rookie PG.

It's not that it's guaranteed to go bad, it's that there's a risk in this deal that it could turn out even slightly ugly and the reward isn't even worth it. Frye won't magically develop your players, anybody spacing the floor would have done just fine for Orlando given where they are right now.

If I'm Orlando I give Frye a 2 year deal. Overpay him if you really love him which they clearly do but something similar to what you gave Gordon. 13m/2y would have been a solid signing that nobody blinks there eye at. 32m/4y makes everybody say wtf and also fcks other teams in the league because they inflate the market because players agents point to deals like this as bargaining chips.

I think you are ignoring reality. The cap is pretty much assured to be right at 63 with a tax line of 77 this year. Projections have it at 67 and 81 respectively for 2016. These projections are usually pretty accurate...and honestly, I'd bet, if anything, they are on the low side moving forward because that TV deal could be ****ing huge. It's speculation, but it's pretty much a sure thing. To ignore that is just silly.

You wouldn't get Frye with a 2 year deal. I know you don't care about that because you see little value in him, but just know that the Magic weren't getting him with a 2 year deal when we just saw Meeks, Collison, and Livingston all get 3 year deals.

Also, I disagree about the length. In my opinion it's perfect. He will be expiring right at the time the Magic could start making noise. Again, expiring contracts are extremely valuable. The Wizards turned an IR player with an expiring contract into Gortat this year (who was also expiring)...think about that! Until the lottery rules are changed...teams will be tanking...and tanking hard in this CBA. Having an expiring contract at 8 million or so a year will allow the Magic to build their team better than not having it. It's great trade bait in more ways than one. If Frye plays well and looks healthy...cotenders will be after him starting at the deadline in 2016. If the Magic keep him 3 years...his 4th year they will be able to get a nice return for his contract alone if need be.

It's going to work out really well for the Magic as long as their young picks develop. That is the real key....and Frye helps on and off the court in that process in a real tangible way.

[GatorKid117]

Doesn't appear teams were lining up to ink him for the deal Orlando gave him in his current state and that speaks for itself I think :confusedshrug: Guess this wasn't the year for sharpshooting bigs.




@ZachLowe

A bunch of teams, including GSW, concluded early after 7/1 that Frye would get more than mid-level. Didn't expect it to be in ORL, but, hey.

I like the fit and the price is manageable as well. But as others have said, should be 2-3 years instead of 4.

Anyway, I think this signing was pretty crucial for Payton and Oladipo. Both of them, especially Payton, need a clear lane to be effective players in my opinion. Since the staff doesn't seem to have any faith in Nicholson (which is a damn shame), this signing makes some sense.

Oladipo
Fournier
Harris
Frye
Vucevic

Pretty balanced starting lineup I'd say.

[Take Your Lumps]

Whoa, there's actual depth conversation going on in here about the topic at hand? Thought it would have devolved into a barrage of rolling smileys by now. Way to go fellas :applause:

I read an interesting take on the move this morning:

http://upsidemotor.com/2014/07/07/channing-frye-future-magic/

[QUOTE]Typically, when a 31-year-old player signs for 4 years, $32 million, it is a move that signifies the team

[NuggetsFan]

Frye could have got 8m/4 from a bunch of different teams, including Golden State? Wonder why he doesn't want to play for a competitive team. Not sure I can get behind that report, if a bunch of teams were willing to pay Frye why Orlando? ... how many teams could even afford to splurge on Frye like this?

Dirk 3/30
Spencer Hawes 4/23
McBob 4/23
Diaw 3/22.5
Kaman 2/9.8
Patrick Patterson 3/18

Channing Frye 4/32

That's recent deals this year too. Doesn't seem like teams are buying into DMAVS theory that 8mill will be nothing come 2016, and would appear that teams really LOVE Frye if everyone was willing to pay him what Orlando did and he chose them.

[Dr Seuss]

No "competitive" team wanted to trade for frye this year when he was essentially a 7 mil expirer. but youre telling me that a team will want to trade for him in 4 years, when hes 34/35 and an 8 million expirer. yeah ok.
i mean, it can happen, but believing that it WILL happen at this point is just lying to yourself.

[DMAVS41]

Frye could have got 8m/4 from a bunch of different teams, including Golden State? Wonder why he doesn't want to play for a competitive team. Not sure I can get behind that report, if a bunch of teams were willing to pay Frye why Orlando? ... how many teams could even afford to splurge on Frye like this?

Dirk 3/30
Spencer Hawes 4/23
McBob 4/23
Diaw 3/22.5
Kaman 2/9.8
Patrick Patterson 3/18

Channing Frye 4/32

That's recent deals this year too. Doesn't seem like teams are buying into DMAVS theory that 8mill will be nothing come 2016, and would appear that teams really LOVE Frye if everyone was willing to pay him what Orlando did and he chose them.

I think you are confusing yourself. For other teams he's not worth it a 4 years 32 million. Can you really not see the difference?

I don't know how much more clear I can be.

It's about the increasing cap and tax line that will dramatically go up over the next 2 years. And, the years will be less.

Frye, right now, at 4 years 32 million for a contender doesn't make a ton of sense unless it fills a need they couldn't fill otherwise.

You keep ignoring that the Magic signed him...not another team. The Magic overpaid him on purpose. Same thing with Gordon.

THEY DID NOT WANT OPTIMAL VALUE WITH THOSE SIGNINGS.

They are not trying to be the best team they can possibly be at this moment. Those signings were calculated.

And I'm still waiting to hear how Frye at 8 million a year for 2 years is going to be hard to trade? You really think that at the deadline in 2016 or 2017 that a playoff team wouldn't make a move for that if they have a need? With a cap of 70 million by 2017??????

Unless the Magic become a legit title contender in the 2016 or 2017 season...this deal is going to work out perfectly for the Magic.

[GimmeThat]

Frye helped the developement of Dragic because he is given the green light to shoot and pull the trigger whenever he'd like to.

And the fact that because of the Suns offense, he's probably taking decently open shots and not even contested shots.


With the Magic, he won't be able to just operate as a catch and shoot player. He's going to catch the ball, and have to make the decision of passing or directing where his teammates goes to. which will reduce the amount of 3s he gets to take a game, since he's not just going to take a contested 3 or a 3 out of the flow of the offense.

Frye isn't someone who stretches the floor for you. he EXPANDS the floor for you. Because he isn't known for his athleticism and quick release.

Once you have another 3 point shooter like Ariza on the other end of the floor, Frye gets to be the beneficiary of taking the 3 point shot in which he makes at close to .400%. without it, you have a Center who roams around the perimer and passing the ball because your offense doesn't stretch the floor enough for him to even shoot.

[DMAVS41]

No "competitive" team wanted to trade for frye this year when he was essentially a 7 mil expirer. but youre telling me that a team will want to trade for him in 4 years, when hes 34/35 and an 8 million expirer. yeah ok.
i mean, it can happen, but believing that it WILL happen at this point is just lying to yourself.

Dude.

The Suns traded Gortat on an expiring contract for Okafor on the IR. It doesn't have to be a contender. His contract alone has value to teams looking to get out of contracts or tank.

Open up your minds please.

[Dr Seuss]

seriouously, dmavs, shut the fck up. you have 40 posts in this thread, all echoing the same thing. in YOUR opinion this was a good move. great. thats YOUR opinion, and we all heard it the first 10 times you chimed in. youre not going to change the majority opinion in here, so stop trying. bump this thread if 4 years if you want. ill be waiting for it.

[Dr Seuss]

Dude.

The Suns traded Gortat on an expiring contract for Okafor on the IR. It doesn't have to be a contender. His contract alone has value to teams looking to get out of contracts or tank.

Open up your minds please.

youre the one that continually said contender would trade for him. open of your biased mind. and both gortat and okafor were expiring. thats a different situation you dumb shit.

[Nastradamus]

I like the squad Hennigan is putting together. Payton/Oladipo is going to be a dynamic backcourt and Gordon has a ton of upside. Now they've added 3 shooter to put around them,Vucevic and Gordon.

Vuvevic
Frye/Gordon(Harris)
Harris/Harkless
Oladipo Gordon Fournier
Payton (Oladipo)

[bagelred]

#YouKnowItsTheOffseason when a Channing Frye thread goes 19 pages.

[DMAVS41]

seriouously, dmavs, shut the fck up. you have 40 posts in this thread, all echoing the same thing. in YOUR opinion this was a good move. great. thats YOUR opinion, and we all heard it the first 10 times you chimed in. youre not going to change the majority opinion in here, so stop trying. bump this thread if 4 years if you want. ill be waiting for it.

tell everyone else to shut the **** up. i'm just responding to people.

I never said it was a "great" move...I just said it's not a bad move. I'd call it a smart move on paper that gives the Magic what they need while likely keeping them in the lottery for at least 1 more year.

Last year was the year the Magic should have completely tanked and been awful. They ****ed that up completely and traded Afflalo for pennies on the dollar...

Now they need to try to learn how to play the right way without being very good. Just like the 09 Thunder...for example.

[Real14]

#YouKnowItsTheOffseason when a Channing Frye thread goes 19 pages.
Good one.

[DMAVS41]

youre the one that continually said contender would trade for him. open of your biased mind. and both gortat and okafor were expiring. thats a different situation you dumb shit.

It's even worse you dumb ****. Why would the Suns trade Gortat on an expiring contract for a player on the IR with an expiring contract?

Because they were trying to tank you dumb ****ing piece of shit. And didn't see Gortat in the future. Good players can be had like that all the damn time. Teams make moves like that all the time.

What I said was that after 1.5 years. A contender might be willing to take on Frye because with the cap and tax increases...his contract won't hurt them much.

And worst case would be you move him as an expiring contract.

Considering the Magic aren't going anywhere in the next 3 years. I'd like to know how this hurts them. Still nobody has given any semblance of a response for that.

The answer is simple. The only way this hurts the Magic is if they somehow make the playoffs this year because of Frye. If that happens...then this would have been a bad decision and I'll be right there with you guys...but I really don't see that happening if they manage the minutes properly and play the young guys a lot.

[NuggetsFan]

I think you are confusing yourself. For other teams he's not worth it a 4 years 32 million. Can you really not see the difference?

I don't know how much more clear I can be.

It's about the increasing cap and tax line that will dramatically go up over the next 2 years. And, the years will be less.

Frye, right now, at 4 years 32 million for a contender doesn't make a ton of sense unless it fills a need they couldn't fill otherwise.

You keep ignoring that the Magic signed him...not another team. The Magic overpaid him on purpose. Same thing with Gordon.

THEY DID NOT WANT OPTIMAL VALUE WITH THOSE SIGNINGS.

They are not trying to be the best team they can possibly be at this moment. Those signings were calculated.

And I'm still waiting to hear how Frye at 8 million a year for 2 years is going to be hard to trade? You really think that at the deadline in 2016 or 2017 that a playoff team wouldn't make a move for that if they have a need? With a cap of 70 million by 2017??????

Unless the Magic become a legit title contender in the 2016 or 2017 season...this deal is going to work out perfectly for the Magic.

Dude not everything is about you look up a few posts. I was responding to the guy that said multiple teams had interest in Frye for above the MLE. GatorKid posted a quoted Zack Lowe, and I genuinely responded that I was surprised and couldn't see that being the case REGARDLESS of what you were saying about the increased cap coming down the line. I literally mentioned that once, at the end of an entire paragraph. I agree tho, why would a bunch of teams line up to pay him this deal? We agree on that I guess.

For the record 8m will never be NOTHING. Doesn't matter if the cap was removed and teams could spend whatever they wanted. Tons of markets simply can't afford to overpay a Channing Frye. Tons of teams place high value on contracts, look at S.A. Regardless of where the caps at teams like getting good value and Frye at 8 is overpaid right now, who knows what happens 2 years from now. Dude sat out an entire season with a heart problem, heart problems are tricky. One minute there's no worry next minute there is. Players also age differently.

I know what the Magic did. It's pretty obvious. I think on 2 year deals that's great. Overpay for need on short cheap contracts for the 100th time. Don't overpay on long term contracts that even if the chances are that it won't hurt you, it can potentially have a negative affect down the road. Orlando doesn't need to take that risk, even if for the sake of arguments it's reaaaaallly small.

Gordon makes sense, not great value but need for 2 years. Signing a bad value contract, which I mean your openly admitted it's bad value for 4 years isn't a smart business choice. It's weird your kinda proving it's a stupid choice yet say it's smart because it's won't have an affect. You walk across the street without looking and there's a good chance you'll be fine, doesn't mean you do it :confusedshrug:

[GatorKid117]

No "competitive" team wanted to trade for frye this year when he was essentially a 7 mil expirer. but youre telling me that a team will want to trade for him in 4 years, when hes 34/35 and an 8 million expirer. yeah ok.
i mean, it can happen, but believing that it WILL happen at this point is just lying to yourself.

Not saying your wrong, but I'm pretty sure Frye was never even on the trade block this year. The Suns were in playoff contention up until the final weeks. Why would they trade him?


Frye could have got 8m/4 from a bunch of different teams, including Golden State? Wonder why he doesn't want to play for a competitive team. Not sure I can get behind that report, if a bunch of teams were willing to pay Frye why Orlando? ... how many teams could even afford to splurge on Frye like this?

Dirk 3/30
Spencer Hawes 4/23
McBob 4/23
Diaw 3/22.5
Kaman 2/9.8
Patrick Patterson 3/18

Channing Frye 4/32

That's recent deals this year too. Doesn't seem like teams are buying into DMAVS theory that 8mill will be nothing come 2016, and would appear that teams really LOVE Frye if everyone was willing to pay him what Orlando did and he chose them.

Zach Lowe is pretty reliable. I don't see what he'd have to gain by lying about this. And he didn't say there were teams lining up to pay him 4/32; he said teams willing to pay just over the MLE. Maybe the Magic just offered him the most money? Isn't the MLE 5-6 million?

So for the Magic to get him they had to pay another 1-2$ million a year for him to go to Orlando. Doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

[DMAVS41]

Dude not everything is about you look up a few posts. I was responding to the guy that said multiple teams had interest in Frye for above the MLE. GatorKid posted a quoted Zack Lowe, and I genuinely responded that I was surprised and couldn't see that being the case REGARDLESS of what you were saying about the increased cap coming down the line. I literally mentioned that once, at the end of an entire paragraph. I agree tho, why would a bunch of teams line up to pay him this deal? We agree on that I guess.

For the record 8m will never be NOTHING. Doesn't matter if the cap was removed and teams could spend whatever they wanted. Tons of markets simply can't afford to overpay a Channing Frye. Tons of teams place high value on contracts, look at S.A. Regardless of where the caps at teams like getting good value and Frye at 8 is overpaid right now, who knows what happens 2 years from now. Dude sat out an entire season with a heart problem, heart problems are tricky. One minute there's no worry next minute there is. Players also age differently.

I know what the Magic did. It's pretty obvious. I think on 2 year deals that's great. Overpay for need on short cheap contracts for the 100th time. Don't overpay on long term contracts that even if the chances are that it won't hurt you, it can potentially have a negative affect down the road. Orlando doesn't need to take that risk, even if for the sake of arguments it's reaaaaallly small.

Gordon makes sense, not great value but need for 2 years. Signing a bad value contract, which I mean your openly admitted it's bad value for 4 years isn't a smart business choice. It's weird your kinda proving it's a stupid choice yet say it's smart because it's won't have an affect. You walk across the street without looking and there's a good chance you'll be fine, doesn't mean you do it :confusedshrug:


It's all about circumstances. And again, for the 100th time...the Magic could not have gotten Frye on a 2 year deal. That isn't happening.

When I said "nothing"...I did not mean absolute "nothing"...do I really need to explain this? I just meant that it's not going to deter teams away in true need of a stretch big in 1.5 years with the increases we are going to see.

Would you like to bet on the cap and tax lines in the future? I'll bet you any amount you want that it goes to at least 66 million in 2016. It's going up. You know it. I know it. Why pretend otherwise?

I said it's an overpay in a vacuum. That doesn't make it dumb. The overpay is actually smart in my opinion. It keeps them not horrible, but not very good either for at least, in my opinion, the next couple years. And then it's trade bait or keep him as you compete in 2017...and then move him or let him expire and have cap space after the following year when you are really ready to move.

[NuggetsFan]

Not saying your wrong, but I'm pretty sure Frye was never even on the trade block this year. The Suns were in playoff contention up until the final weeks. Why would they trade him?



Zach Lowe is pretty reliable. I don't see what he'd have to gain by lying about this. And he didn't say there were teams lining up to pay him 4/32; he said teams willing to pay just over the MLE. Maybe the Magic just offered him the most money? Isn't the MLE 5-6 million?

So for the Magic to get him they had to pay another 1-2$ million a year for him to go to Orlando. Doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

Yeah I wasn't saying it wasn't true, just hard to believe. I mean I think this was a stupid deal I'd never give out, yet an NBA team did. Tons of deals happen that completely shock me. Just surprising that teams were lining up willing to give him the 4 years and a mill or two less and he chose Orlando. Now I could easily believe the same amount of money, just not as long of a deal and he chose Orlando because of the security.

Whatever to each to his own DMAVS. I wouldn't give Frye this contract anyday of the week. I genuinely think giving guys longterm deals are stupid unless you have no other options, which Orlando as a rebuilding team does. No need to overpay for the aging role players longterm if your the Magic.

Agree to disagree. Obviously the cap is going up, I still think with the way teams budget and how many owners lose money and how franchises like S.A have shown how important it is to be smart with how you handle your roster, guys like Frye who get paid like this we'll always be risky. I wish everyone thought like you tho, I'd call you and dump McGee.

[wally_world]

WOW now we know why he opted out

Magic is crazy tho, aint that the kinda money they couldve paid Ryan Anderson?

[DMAVS41]

Yeah I wasn't saying it wasn't true, just hard to believe. I mean I think this was a stupid deal I'd never give out, yet an NBA team did. Tons of deals happen that completely shock me. Just surprising that teams were lining up willing to give him the 4 years and a mill or two less and he chose Orlando. Now I could easily believe the same amount of money, just not as long of a deal and he chose Orlando because of the security.

Whatever to each to his own DMAVS. I wouldn't give Frye this contract anyday of the week. I genuinely think giving guys longterm deals are stupid unless you have no other options, which Orlando as a rebuilding team does. No need to overpay for the aging role players longterm if your the Magic.

Agree to disagree. Obviously the cap is going up, I still think with the way teams budget and how many owners lose money and how franchises like S.A have shown how important it is to be smart with how you handle your roster, guys like Frye who get paid like this we'll always be risky. I wish everyone thought like you tho, I'd call you and dump McGee.

The difference is that the Spurs had Robinson and then Duncan in place as leaders from the jump essentially.

Who is the leader of this Magic team? Who is providing the kind on and off court guidance that has been around the block enough to teach? I'm in favor of teams trying to get high picks when they should, but I don't think you do it devoid of all veteran presence and leadership.

McGee was signed in a totally different situation. And yes, teams will be lining up to take him next year. Chandler just netted Calderon, Larkin, and Dalembert...while also dumping Felton....because of his expiring contract. McGee will be an asset for you guys, a powerful one at that, next year if you choose to treat him as such.

I think it's all based on circumstances and what teams are looking to do. I think a team like the Magic overpaying Frey by 10% or so and giving him an extra year is completely different than a team looking to make the playoffs now or something.

For example, the Pelicans doing what they did is totally different than what the Magic are doing to date. Now, if the Magic go out and sign someone else and try to make a push for the playoffs this year...my opinion will completely reverse as they would be rushing the process.

But as of now I don't see the evidence for that...as they moved Afflalo and waived Nelson. I guess we just see the progression differently. Tell me where you dispute. This would be my plan as Magic GM;

15 - win between 20 and 30 games to get a high pick again while developing young players as best you can
Summer - top 8 pick

16 -same thing but hopefully start to win a few more games
Summer - top 15 pick...look at free agents and potential trades to improve roster. team will have loads of cap space.

17 - make the playoffs
Summer - hopefully not in lottery. trade Frye's expiring contract.

18 - make a run past round 1


On and on...

How does Frye hurt you in any possible way? By the time this team is ready to do anything of true note...Frye's contract alone even if he's done will be a valuable asset.

The Magic clearly wanted to appease fans for the Afflalo screw up and losing Nelson (a fan favorite). So they made 2 signings that fans can talk about while secretly hoping they suck again next year. And unless something kind of crazy happens...that is exactly what will and should happen.

[NuggetsFan]

I'd do the exact same thing as you. Difference would be I'd get shooters similar to Gordon's deal. Wouldn't overpay anybody over a long period of time. If I couldn't get Frye on a cheaper/shorter deal I'd go down my list and pick up the next available target until I got him in my comfort zone. Frye doesn't make or break the plan, no need to pay him this salary for the next 4 years. Every team needs shooters at some point, you don't break the bank if you don't need too. IMO Magic don't need too.

I'd wait a few years until they were competitive to give out these type of deals.

[DMAVS41]

I'd do the exact same thing as you. Difference would be I'd get shooters similar to Gordon's deal. Wouldn't overpay anybody over a long period of time. If I couldn't get Frye on a cheaper/shorter deal I'd go down my list and pick up the next available target until I got him in my comfort zone. Frye doesn't make or break the plan, no need to pay him this salary for the next 4 years. Every team needs shooters at some point, you don't break the bank if you don't need too. IMO Magic don't need too.

I'd wait a few years until they were competitive to give out these type of deals.

Do you think there is anything to my point about Frye's presence and leadership?

[NuggetsFan]

Do you think there is anything to my point about Frye's presence and leadership?

I do, not as much as you tho. I think Frye took this deal to get paid big time not to mentor. With Gordon I don't see it. Different games, and different mentalities and for the first few years spacing won't have a huge affect on his offense as he's raw as hell right now.

For the guards yeah. Getting them a shooter helps big time. Really tho, getting a worse shooter still gives them asset to run the same exact plays just with less success.

If I was worried about my lockeroom and needed some experience, I'd get it for a cheaper price. Same with the shooters. I'd do everything the same as you, just wouldn't give out a larger longterm contract basically. Regardless of how the cap changes, 8m will always be a decent dent.

[DMAVS41]

I do, not as much as you tho. I think Frye took this deal to get paid big time not to mentor. With Gordon I don't see it. Different games, and different mentalities and for the first few years spacing won't have a huge affect on his offense as he's raw as hell right now.

For the guards yeah. Getting them a shooter helps big time. Really tho, getting a worse shooter still gives them asset to run the same exact player just with less success.

If I was worried about my lockeroom and needed some experience, I'd get it for a cheaper price. Same with the shooters. I'd do everything the same as you, just wouldn't give out a larger longterm contract basically. Regardless of how the cap changes, 8m will always be a decent dent.

Of course he went there for the money, but I don't see any reason why that would affect his ability to provide that presence.

What other vets that provide stretch shooting as a big are you talking about?

[NuggetsFan]

Of course he went there for the money, but I don't see any reason why that would affect his ability to provide that presence.

What other vets that provide stretch shooting as a big are you talking about?

Why does the vet need to be able to shoot? Can't you grab a cheaper shooter + an older veteran that plays very little but helps mentor your younger player? I mean the Magic can make multiple signings if they want. I'd just keep them shorter and cheaper than this deal.

Magic just need shooters. Stretch 4 isn't the only answer to that. Really there's no exact answer when your not even trying to win but put your players in good situation while you tank. Shooters or no shooters for this season isn't going to make or break your elite prospects.

Gordon was a good call. 2 years, good shooter.

Didn't mean it would was just saying. I guess we just differ on Channing Frye's presence. I don't see it as some invaluable thing.

[DMAVS41]

Why does the vet need to be able to shoot? Can't you grab a cheaper shooter + an older veteran that plays very little but helps mentor your younger player? I mean the Magic can make multiple signings if they want. I'd just keep them shorter and cheaper than this deal.

Magic just need shooters. Stretch 4 isn't the only answer to that. Really there's no exact answer when your not even trying to win but put your players in good situation while you tank. Shooters or no shooters for this season isn't going to make or break your elite prospects.

Gordon was a good call. 2 years, good shooter.

Didn't mean it would was just saying. I guess we just differ on Channing Frye's presence. I don't see it as some invaluable thing.


Well, because you are going to want to play Payton, Oladipo, and Vucevic a lot together his year. And Gordon with that group a lot as well. Without a stretch big I don't see how that is even remotely possible. Fournier and Gordon are nice shooters that will help, but those other guys are the ones you want out there at the same time as that is the future.

You don't think it's obvious that this Magic team needed to add a shooting big?

And don't you want them to not be the Sixers from last year? As much as I support with the Sixers have done, a veteran presence like Frye on that team last year would have been really nice in my opinion.

Don't you want a little more stability than brining guys in on 1 year deals all the time to fill voids on a team that honestly doesn't care about anything but developing their young guys on and off the court the next 2 years at least?

[LA_Showtime]

I actually like this deal for Orlando. Sure, they overpaid to sign Frye, but he's a professional who does things the right way. There's something to be said about having those type of players in your organization, especially when you're core is comprised of players who are between 18-23 years old. Besides, despite his bloated contract, Frye would be easy to move on the open market.

[EllEffEll]

Just like when an ugly old dude wants to date a supermodel. He's gonna have to pay more to attract pro-level 'talent' to play in in his building. As it stands today, no one is taking a pay cut to play in Orlando. That could change, but that's the way it currently is.

After 8 years in the league, this is Channing Frye's time to get paid. A marriage made in heaven ;~)

[poido123]

What a terrible waste of money by the Magic :facepalm

8 mill a year for a tall shooter WTF?

Jameer on suicide watch :(

[andremiller07]

This is why the Clippers signing of Hawes was such a good deal he's literally way better than Frye and got 10 mil less.

[ImmortalNemesis]

I said it's an overpay in a vacuum. That doesn't make it dumb. The overpay is actually smart in my opinion. It keeps them not horrible, but not very good either for at least, in my opinion, the next couple years. And then it's trade bait or keep him as you compete in 2017...and then move him or let him expire and have cap space after the following year when you are really ready to move.
What in the actual f*ck is wrong with you people?

8mils a year for some french fries? REALLY?

[COnDEMnED]

What in the actual f*ck is wrong with you people?

8mils a year for some french fries? REALLY?
No...no...you're right...this needed to be bumped.

[HylianNightmare]

Hated the signing then. Hate it more now, dude's soft trash.

[bdreason]

I thought he would work well next to Vucevic. I think he's trying too hard to fit in, and not playing aggressive enough. I mean, he has games where he plays 35+ minutes and takes like 5 shots. Frye isn't a guy who is going to be successful playing hesitant. Of course, ideally he shouldn't be playing 35+ minutes either. I would play him 20-25 minutes and tell him to take at least 10 shots.

[mrpibb]

Phoenix wants him back. He was essential to that team last year.